Braves’ offensive woes continue in 5-0 loss – updated


Milwaukee – So much for building on what the Braves got going in New York. Turns out their 11-run outburst Saturday was just a hiatus from what’s been ailing them on offense.

The Braves scored only one run in the first two games against the Brewers and are in danger of getting swept in a three-game series at Miller Park after a 5-0 loss on Tuesday night.

The Braves have scored two or fewer runs in nine of their past 15 games.

Tim Hudson had another good outing but wasn’t perfect, which the Braves offense seems to have been demanding of its pitchers of late. He gave up a solo home run to Rickie Weeks in the first inning and nothing else until the seventh. But the way things have been going with the Braves offense, it might have spelled his doom either way.

The bottom fell out in the seventh inning for the second straight night. Monday’s catalyst was a Jonny Venters’ throwing error. On Tuesday it was a couple of close plays at first base that went against the Braves.

Andrelton Simmons couldn’t cleanly field a hard-hit Aramis Ramirez grounder but nearly (and might have) got him at first base but he was called safe. Then after Hudson grazed Carlos Gomez with a pitch to load the bases, Jean Segura beat out a double play to score the first of three runs in the inning.

“We really didn’t have a whole lot of luck go our way that inning,” Hudson said. “A couple hits that probably could have been outs, a couple close calls that probably could have gone our way, but it’s a frustrating game. I felt like I had one of my better sinkers going that I’ve had in a while.”

Hudson, who had only 80 pitches coming into the seventh, gave up four hits in the inning but only Norichka Aoki’s double on his last pitch of the night was hit especially hard.

The Braves, meanwhile, hit four balls hard to the warning track for outs in the sixth and seventh innings. Lyle Overbay hit a rope to right field with a runner on in the seventh inning but watched Aoki leap to rob him.

“They had some bleeders that kind of fell and timely hitting, where it seemed like we hit the ball hard and nothing to show for it,” Overbay said.

One residual effect the Braves might not have considered from their collapse last September was that it would give teams hope in 2012 that they could do what St. Louis did – coming from 8 ½ games back to claim a wild card spot.

Both the Brewers and Phillies are making a charge, with the Brewers winning 17 of their past 22 to move to .500 for the first time since April 24. The Phillies have won six in a row and 10 of 12. Both were within 4 ½ games of the Cardinals before their game in San Diego on Tuesday night. The Braves’ wild card lead over St. Louis was down to five games.

The Braves managed only four hits – all singles – in 6 2/3 innings against Marco Estrada, a pitcher they’d scored 11 runs in 11 1/3 innings against in two starts last season.

Simmons collected singles in each of his first two at-bats for his first two hits in his second game back from the disabled list. But he and the Braves had no more than one baserunner on in any inning.

“Well we swung the bats better than what the scoreboard showed at the end,” said Chipper Jones, who was 1-for-3 with a walk and one of those outs to the warning track. “I thought we put some good at-bats up. We made some solid contact. Their right fielder seems to be standing in front of everything we hit out there….

“But they’re playing well right now. We’ve just got to try to salvage the series and salvage a winning road trip.”

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Simba

September 11th, 2012
11:03 pm

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No hope for Braves

September 11th, 2012
11:05 pm

How sad is that? Pitiful.

yes sir

September 11th, 2012
11:05 pm

Zero Runs

September 11th, 2012
11:07 pm

Gets you the loss. Every time.

Buffalo Guy

September 11th, 2012
11:08 pm

Braves left their bats in NYC.

Ryan

September 11th, 2012
11:12 pm

At first, the Braves were making all southpaw pitchers look like Randy Johnson. Now they’re making all righties look like Greg Maddux. The problem is: this is almost the exact same lineup they had last year, which has shown it can go into a lengthy collective slump – remember last September? They need someone to step up and lead the offense – just one person. Who’s going to step up and be our Chipper of ‘99 or Brian Jordan of ‘01? It’s time for one of the kids to mature and become a leader AND producer, like Posey has become for the Giants. Heyward and Freeman both have the talent… now they need to show they can lead this team post-Chipper.

September Baseball

September 11th, 2012
11:14 pm

so it looks like it’s happening once again, the team that gets hot in September makes a big push towards the playoffs and most of the times, gets in. So this being the first year of the two wild cards, two teams are getting hot in September and making the push.

“Brewers winning 17 of their past 22. The Phillies have won six in a row and 10 of 12″
I would not at all be surprised if BOTH of these teams knocked the Braves AND Cardinals out. Will be fun to see how it all plays out and if two teams who were left for dead for 90% of the season end up coming out of nowhere and playing for that one last playoff spot

Frank Shab in PA

September 11th, 2012
11:14 pm

The EL-Foldo 2012 is well underway. Sorry just face it all, this team is just not clutch.
The manager is cluless. He doesn’t have the skill set to be creative and get this team going.
He simply trots out the clutchless hitters and hopes for the best.
The load up their stats at the expense of the back end of poor pitching staffs.
If they don’t score in the first or second or first even if its later in the game in September they fold up.
The league knows it. Check it out it always happens, its their modus operendi.
Selling playoff ticket?. Buy them and you’ll have a collectors item. Unused playoff tickets,what a joke.

SLBReb

September 11th, 2012
11:15 pm

Asking our starters to pitch perfectly. FG is still waiting for that homer but the problem is that we hit in about one game a wee.. What an embarassment. Can we sit our starters minus Prado, J’ey and Simmons. Great outting by Hudson but he knew the outcome after the homerun to Weeks.

BillEGoat

September 11th, 2012
11:16 pm

Also remember that the Braves “won” those two 1-0 games on errors against the Rockies. Their offense continues to be questionable, awful with RISP for quite a while. Also can’t blame it on facing LH pitchers, since the Brewers have almost exclusively RH pitchers. The club needs to make some moves over the winter to improve its offense.

robertatl

September 11th, 2012
11:18 pm

Fredi attempt to manufacture run is pitiful. When your offense is struggling you have to try some hit and run to force the batter at the plate to execute. The way the Braves are playing postseason tickets won’t be needed unless the offense wakes up. If this happens it time for upper management to clean house from Fredi’s sidekick Frank, Roger Mcdowell, and the entire coaching staff. Please don’t even think about signing Bournse because he can’t handle a pennant race.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 11th, 2012
11:18 pm

Simmons must be thinking to himself, what a bunch of bumbs.

Don’t look now, Uggla is on a 6 game hitting streak!

Bourn just may catch Dan Uggla in K’s before the season is over at this rate.
(Only 14 behind him!) (Last 10 games Dan Uggla 4k’s, Michael Bourn 9k’s)

I bet Uggla finishes with a higher average than McCan’t, any takers!

Largo

September 11th, 2012
11:19 pm

Want a big laugh? Picture the braves going to the world series. These bums will not even be in a wild card playoff so forget them again this year.

No hope for Braves

September 11th, 2012
11:20 pm

Totally agree with Frank Shab in PA. The man who is supposed to run this team is out to lunch. Braves look lifeless and ready to go deer hunting. I will be so glad when this mess has finally crashed and burned. It’s been spiraling towards this crash for awhile. Tip your cap on your way out fredi. You know your done here.

GRAPHITE

September 11th, 2012
11:23 pm

And the annual beatdown goes on.If you can’t beat a sub 500 team,why even go to the playoffs?

Blake

September 11th, 2012
11:25 pm

Doe’s anybody really feel this team Is going to do anything In the playoffs? That Is If they get there…..

robertatl

September 11th, 2012
11:25 pm

I wish ‘10′ would call a meeting without Fredi since Fredi has no clue how to motivate professionals. I remember when the Marlins shortstop said what does Fredi know he has never played the game at the major league level. It’s disappointing Chipper won’t experience the playoffs for the second year. Frank and Fredi deserve one another.

Michael

September 11th, 2012
11:26 pm

Could this be the players’ plan to get rid of Fredi?

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 11th, 2012
11:28 pm

@Graphite the Brewers are now a .500 team 71/71… so your statement is not 100% accurate LOL.

Bronke

September 11th, 2012
11:29 pm

Agree with all of you. If the Braves don’t play with urgency trouble will be brewing behind them. Teams will and can catch up as was proven last year. Do the Braves have a captain like Jeter? Who steps up and calls for team meetings? Whoever they are, now is the time to be heard!

robertatl

September 11th, 2012
11:30 pm

The Braves will get destroyed this weekend by Washinghton because they have a leader steering that ship. The Braves attitude for the last 2 years we don’t answer to no one and we aren’t held accountable for our play. We need to think accountability NOW or the season will be over.

Blake

September 11th, 2012
11:31 pm

Pathetic….can’t even keep no extended winning streak going…..pathetic….

No hope for Braves

September 11th, 2012
11:33 pm

Michael….Sure hope so. Remeber how Bobby always backed up his players? Was always outside the dugout rooting them on? This numbskull is so out of touch its pitiful. Notice when the players come back to the dugout next time. They do not acknowledge fg and he does not notice them. Hell of a situation to be in. Hopefully something good will come of this demise. Maybe fg will go coach some little league team in Norway or something. Bet they don’t want him either.

robertatl

September 11th, 2012
11:35 pm

No leader no streak that is why the season has been up and down like a roller coaster. Fredi has a tendency to wait until its to late before making changes late in the game. I want to know what is Roger Mcdowell jobs to spit sunflowerseeds and keep them off Fredi shoes. You two are a joke manager and pitching coach.

robertatl

September 11th, 2012
11:38 pm

Frank put the ultimatum out or maybe John S. Make the playoffs and compete or pack your bags.

robertatl

September 11th, 2012
11:42 pm

Fredi its okay to motivate or show support but don’t show that blank stare on your face. Tonight the tension in the dugout was so thick you could see the players trying so hard. When the situation is positive give them applause and when negative be there for support.

harry taylor

September 11th, 2012
11:45 pm

5 hits, 8 strikeouts, and 12 lob. Great stats.
Sweeping the Mets in the last series didn’t mean much. Even the Phillies are eating their lunch
But when is the last time Braves won a series against a team with a .500 record??

older1

September 11th, 2012
11:47 pm

Fredi should have argued the call at first and got thrown out, going through the dugout, ripping, cursing, and throwing everything in sight. Somebody has to wake these hitters UP. Start all backup players tomorrow. send a signal to your players. man be a manager.

No hope for Braves

September 11th, 2012
11:48 pm

robertatl….have you ever seen him try to motivate the players? Like you said, he stands there with that dumb blank stare. I think thats because he is so lost, and over his head. I’m not saying Bobby was the greatest manager ever to be in uniform, but by God he backed his players up. He was out there always waving his arms and giving the umps an earful. This doof just stands there with a ring tatooed on his finger? Who does that??

Train Wreck Bystander

September 11th, 2012
11:50 pm

What will happen is the Braves will coast in and get that first wild spot. But the ensuing dogfight for spot #2 will lead to that team having Big Mo on their bench for that 1-game crap shoot round.

Tip of the cap to Uggs for his hitting streak.

CC

September 11th, 2012
11:55 pm

Pro football goes to all lengths with super slo-mo to get calls right, showing over and over and over a play to tell if the foot was truly touching that out-of-bounds chalk — or a ball broke loose from the carrier’s hands before the knee touched. And they double-check ALL…. ALL…. ALL scoring plays.

Pro tennis has their overhead super slo-mo that can pinpoint if a tennis ball moving at 130mph is in or out by a millimeter….. a MILLIMETER!!

And pro baseball WON’T have replay on close and inconclusive calls on the bases? Why not give a manager a chance at, say, 3 opportunities of his choice to ask for checks of close calls?

Tonight the Brewers had a man called safe, and Prado called out, that, as of now, no manager has the right to ask about checking. And there are other countless times when a tag on a baserunner is more phantom than real.

The argument is: Baseball already goes 3 hours, replay would make it too long. Hmmmm — Tennis often goes 3 – 4 hours, and football almost always goes 3:30.

As long is the technology is there and other sports are using it effectively with no fan backlash, that argument carries no weight. Yes they’re using replay to check for homeruns over the fence when necessary, but base calls, when obviously close, should be just as respected.

It’s time, and reasonable, to expand replay in baseball.

Music City Hammer

September 11th, 2012
11:56 pm

I posted these thoughts on another story. If this team is as bad as it is made out to be here then what is the rest of the league? As frustrating as they have been all season (and they ARE FRUSTRATING), the Braves have the third best record in the NL and USA Today’s “power poll” slots them as the fourth best in MLB. Basically they need a new hitting approach — playing long ball is not getting it done for them. It may be too late to expect a major turnaround this season, but a little “small ball” could go a long way for this club right now. Forget the home runs. Go the “other way.” Opponents with all the shifts are giving it to you anyway. String together some singles. Hit and Run. Bunt. Sacrifice with the middle of the order. And you’ll get some runs, but everyone needs to buy in. Small ball does win games. Look at the Brewers the last two nights. The Braves are probably good for a wild card slot. Magic numbers are around 12 or so. They’ll get enough “help” from these folks. After that your on your own.

JNick

September 11th, 2012
11:57 pm

The sky is falling, oh no!!!!

Oh wait..we still have the 4th best record in baseball.

robertatl

September 11th, 2012
11:57 pm

Fredi needs to attend the Lou Pinella or Jim Leyland motivational seminar.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 11th, 2012
11:59 pm

Expanded replay is coming next year… to check fair/foul balls down the lines. lol

Baseball is still ruled by people who played in the 50’s and 60’s… it will take time.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
12:02 am

4th best record in baseball, 2nd worst average in the MLB with runners in scoring position. Ahead of only SD.

robertatl

September 12th, 2012
12:06 am

Semper Fi Braves Fan, perfect example no accountability for there actions.

Gray Mule

September 12th, 2012
12:06 am

Why does everyone act so shocked? It’s not like we haven’t
been here and done this before.
What has happened to timely hitting? Where, oh where is
the hit and run? Or, the run and hit? Or the stolen base?
Do we have to always get caught trying to steal?
Do we even have a clue as to how to manafacture a run?
Do we ever try to get ‘em on, get ‘em over and get ‘em in?
Or, do we wait the three run homer that never comes??

Oh yeah, we’ve been here before. Same players on the
same stage with the same story line.

Oh well, the Dream won tonight and they are on their way
to the playoffs in the WNBA and the Falcons won their opener.

Too bad about the demise of the Braves.

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robertatl

September 12th, 2012
12:06 am

The blockhead manager doesn’t demand it from his players.

bulldogbubba

September 12th, 2012
12:07 am

Today was my birthday.Couldn’t they have won one for bubba? Maybe next year.Boo hoo

robertatl

September 12th, 2012
12:09 am

Gray Mule time to bring the curtain down on this show and blow it up with a new direction. Never thought I would day that about a Braves team , maybe a Hawks team before Ferry came onboard.

robertatl

September 12th, 2012
12:14 am

Time to sit Bourne down for a while and play Reed Johnson and leadoff Simmons, since he is the only one hitting the ball.

wayn-o

September 12th, 2012
12:19 am

It is really sad to even be comparing this september to last years epic collapse but it’s just too familiar. Wren needs to shake this team because Fredi won’t.

Ahem, we lose because of hitters...

September 12th, 2012
12:23 am

I read yesterday where Chipper said “that was the ballgame” when Venters made his error.

First, I like Chipper even though he has rarely played a full season with no injury, aka hamstring issue.
Second, he could be right b/c the boneheaded play did mean that the Brewers scored.

But, Hey Chipper… go look at the record and check the losses. I bet 80+% are when the Bravos either score fewer than 2 runs or are shutout.

We can blame various pitchers, but this team stinks on offense and has been offensive for many, many years.

That was the ballgame when the Braves mighty batters could score only 1 run. Venters just slammed the door shut on the loss.

RoyU

September 12th, 2012
12:36 am

When is media going after the real culprits – ownership??? Let’s just call it what it is and what it has been for a number of years now!!!! Braves have an ownership that will “only” pay enough to put a “competitive”, not a solid “winning” team on the field and they pray for the “luck” that will pull them through!!!! If they were not such cowards and had some pride in this organization, they would admit this! As fans, we need to go back to the basics of the Braves’ ownership philosophy and that is as we all really know it – “IT”S JUST A BUSINESS”!!! Our players and manager are putting everything they have on the table (field) except the one thing that is most importatnt and that is “support” from upper management and ownership!!! Let’s not knock the efforts of our players for the irresponsibility of the higher ups!!!!!!

Train Wreck Bystander

September 12th, 2012
12:39 am

Swinging for the fences wasn’t necessarily a bad strategy tonight:

“Marco Estrada’s main problem at home has been home runs. Batters are hitting just .224 against Estrada at Miller Park this season, but 11 of their 23 extra-base-hits have been home runs.”

ref: http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/flb/dailynotes?page=mlbnotes120911

Didn’t work out for the Braves tohight, but it wasn’t a bad strategy against this pitcher.

Braves Fan in Indiana

September 12th, 2012
12:44 am

We cannot expect our pitching to be perfect, so the offense has got to step it up. Until our “Clueless Leader” puts the best offensive team in the lineup, it isn’t going to happen. When someone does get on, I agree with Gray Mule. Why don’t we try to steal, hit and run, bunt., anything besides what we’re doing McCan”t & Struggla usually make an out anyway, so they might as well attempt a bunt rather than swing for the fences and either fly out or strike out.. It amazes me how we have such a hard time putting the ball in play when someone is on. The way things are going right now, I doubt if we can get by the one game wildcard playoff game–if we even make it to that game. The only positive thing about failing is that it will probably cost Fredi his job. He has been out-managed all year.

Tough Love

September 12th, 2012
12:46 am

If they make the playoffs, they will be lucky to get past just the one game playoff hitting like this. Don’t see them getting past the first round unless all their pitchers throw shutouts.

reckingball

September 12th, 2012
12:47 am

Just walked outside and looked up.
The sky is not falling in on us yet.
The Braves just need a little luck to fall there way, in the form of getting some hits with RISP.
If you believe, they will come.
go braves

Dan The Man

September 12th, 2012
12:55 am

Offense has been missing for two weeks-got lucky against the Rockies. It will be a long series against the Nats

thomas smith

September 12th, 2012
12:56 am

as i have said here before,fredi does not know when to change pitchers.some times it is a visual thing-like when the pitcher starts leaving the ball up its time to change.just out of experience start someone in the bullpen at start of 6th inning,if pitcher walks or gives up a hit change him then instead of two or three baserunners.sometime you have to have a gut feeling or instinct about a pitcher or hitter.fredi don’t have any gut feeling about anyone or he dosen’t show it .hudson should have been taken out after 1st hit in the 7th.the braves should fire fredi and get a manager with some fire and guts to do what is right .if a player is not performing put someone else in no matter whose feelings get hurt.put the best 9 on the field every night.not because on buddies to the coach.overbay,baker and bautista serve no purpose for this team.get ernesto meja ,gartrell and gilmartin up for the bench.management do what is right.

gotigers72

September 12th, 2012
1:10 am

Listless, lifeless, lethargic. Last September and this year since the All Star break. Their manager does nothing to fire them up, motivate them. There were times tonight when Bobby would go out and argue to just try and get some life in his players! It just seems there are chokers, because they are not just struggling against the Halladays, Kershaws and Hamels of their league, but they can’t even hit with RISP against the no name ragarm pitchers with sky high ERAs like the Rockies’ pitchers or these Brewers’ ragarm no namers. Now they have to go against a really good pitcher in Gallardo tomorrow.

If Fredi is not gonna show some fire, it’s time for Chipper to try and light that fire before tomorrow’s game. What does he have to lose? To have this happen for two years in a row at crunch time is just sickening. Some of these guys that aren’t hitting in the clutch need to look in the mirror, bow up and start earning their keep.

I agree with CC and others. Replay is available at all ML games and should be used. Especially in games where the outcome is effecting the races for playoff spots. Come on Mr. Selig, get baseball in the 21st century! The 3 challenges per manager suggested by CC seems reasonable. Same as football in that the ruling on the field stands, is turned over or there is not enough evidence to tell either way.

JHarber

September 12th, 2012
1:12 am

Guys i am out till next year, good luck all.

Tbird

September 12th, 2012
1:13 am

The biggest difference between the Braves and successful offensive teams is their approach. Chipper and Prado are the only two people on the team that are willing to change their approach when they are behind in the count. I don’t care if it is the MLB or high school ball. NOBODY in the lineup should have the same approach in a 1-2 count that they have in a 2-1 count. Shorten up and be willing to drive the ball the other way. Most everyone in the Braves lineup are too pull happy and don’t make adjusments when they are behind in the count. Don’t have to make a play if you don’t put it in play. Put it in play, might find a hole and “keep the line moving.” I understand that the “big boppers” are there to drive in runs and hit the long ball, but when they are hitting .215 with 50 RBIs, it might be time to change your game plan.

rc35

September 12th, 2012
1:14 am

It’s long been obvious that these Braves are not a reboot of the 1927 Yankees. They have to rely on good pitching to win most days. That’s not inherently bad, but no team has ever won without scoring at all. You can say, “We wuz robbed” until the cows come home, but the simple fact is that this team has been in an offensive slumber for a long time now…most days. Their occasional multi-run outbursts serve to inflate overall statistics, but game by game, they usually alternate between eking out a win or sleeping through nine innings, as they did tonight.

At the same time, they seem to project a lackadasical air…”Well, if we don’t catch the Nats (and at the moment, Kaiser Wilhelm is in a better position to reclaim first place), we can surely hold onto the Wild Card!” but that is a virtual coin flip this year for either team that makes it (and, I must add, Bowie Kuhn is no longer baseball’s worst Commissioner), so getting into this year’s Wild Card one-game playoff is tantamount to betting your retirement on a lottery ticket.

No. 1 Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
3:52 am

I read all of the comments above. Except for a very few, all of these people sound like they are happy the Braves lost and want them to lose as many games as possible. This is for one reason: They are chronic complainers!
The love to have another opportunity to be negative about something. In fact, they are the losers who need to get lost.

clay

September 12th, 2012
4:22 am

Braves win tomorrow and go 4-2 on the road trip. That doesn’t sound like a September collapse to me.

BillyD

September 12th, 2012
4:40 am

I am a long range Braves fan. I watch them every night and have had it. This is the most boring offensive team to watch. I dont care if they have a winning record,due strictly, by the way to pitching, they are sad offensively. As a team they look scared at the plate and give the impression that each one is hoping for a walk. When this team gets behind Its apparent they are not going to catch up. Im sorry to say that if I lived in Atlanta I would hate to go to see this bunch of patsies play. Watching this bunch at the plate is like watching grass grow.Are there no young aggresive hitters on the farm? All management does is hire some retreaded rejects who dont seem to give a damn so why should I.If they even get to post-season they have as much chance of winning as my church league team.Sorry to be so negative but unless things change a lot this organization has had it.

Buzz 2011

September 12th, 2012
6:21 am

Braves have little or no chance in the playoffs. No sticks!!

Chas

September 12th, 2012
6:39 am

CHOKE JOB, the 2012 edition. This team has NO clutch hitters. None. Zero. Nobody seems to step up, when things are on ther line. They are on the same path as last year…spitting it out down the stretch. They are who they are. Winners find a way to win, losers will find a way to choke.l

MikeY

September 12th, 2012
6:49 am

The one bit of good news is that the Cards, Dodgers, and Pirates are also on losing streaks. So the Braves remain 5.5 games ahead of St. Louis (for the WC home field) and 6.5 games ahead of LA. Pittsburgh is 8 games back.

Looking like the Braves will host the Wild Card one-game playoff on October 5. Can LA catch St. Louis?

man and dog

September 12th, 2012
6:52 am

Fredi – WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

man and dog

September 12th, 2012
6:53 am

64 year Ct. Braves fan

September 12th, 2012
6:55 am

Lack of hitting puts too much pressure on the pitchers who can’t afford to make a mistake.

reality

September 12th, 2012
7:18 am

Wow, win 5, loose 2 and all the negativity returns. I may be confused but don’t we have a larger WC lead then a week ago?

Rick in Macon

September 12th, 2012
7:21 am

Fredi is a product of the MLB diversity program. If he wasn’t Hispanic, he’d not be managing in the big leagues. This social experiment is over…let’s get someone who can actually manage and inspire players.

Davey Sprocket

September 12th, 2012
8:01 am

I take it that all the jibba jabba about how the Braves can still catch the Nationals is OVER, now? I remember how it was – “we’ve won 18 out of 24, but those pesky Nats are still winning, too. But they have to stop sometime, so we are bound to ctch them”. Something along those lines was always on here.
Bottom line is that the team hit .246 last year, and is right aroud there again this year. Same guys, same team results. Some of the guys just swapped – a couple of guys picked it up, while others dropped off. The result is the same, however.
The increase in teh WC lead is more the fact that everybody else is losing, than the Braves are peaking and playing well. Truthfully, they have NOT played winning ball against teams with winning records. Any freakin’ USA Today poll (which someone quoted) that say they are the 4th bst team in baseball is a total JOKE. ARe the Braves better than ALL of the A.L. teams?? Course not. Because Cincy, SF, and of course, Washington, are better than them in the NL You cannot play the Mets for the next 22 games, folks..
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Devillover

September 12th, 2012
8:10 am

The Braves did not lose any wild card ground with their two loses to the Brewers. They are 5 games ahead in the 1 w/c position and 6 ahead in the 2nd position with only 8 games left.

For the last 2 games, St Louis is L2, LA is L2 and Pittsburgh is L5.

I think the Braves need positive fans who understand that it has been a long season and that the players are doing everything that they can do to win every game.

Devillover

September 12th, 2012
8:11 am

18 games left

DaltonBrave

September 12th, 2012
8:15 am

Is that two years in a row now that the Braves are close to the top of the leaderboard in failing to score with runners in scoring position? My, hasn’t this been played out long enough? It’s beyond ridiculous at this point. We are talking about two consecuitve seasons with the same scenerio being played out. When is it time to make some changes to this horrible offense? I’m surprised to still see Braves and playoffs in the same sentence considering how horrible their offense is. Find us some players with consistency, please.

NO O

September 12th, 2012
8:16 am

I think instead of calling UGA Old Man Football we need to call the Braves Offense Old Man Baseball

man and dog

September 12th, 2012
8:19 am

And now ladies and gentlemen, your Atlanta O-fers

Old Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
8:27 am

For the 4th or 5th time this year the message is the same–this team has no heart, no fire in the belly, no consistency and a manager who does not understand strategy and is uniwilling to take chances.. The only thing left to say is thank God for decent pitching or we would really be in a heap of trouble. Chipper or someone needs to call a clubhouse meeting with players only and raise the roof in a big way, otherwise this season just as last season is lost. I can now see the Dogers, Cards, Brewers, Phils and Pirates all finishing ahead of us in the wild card race. Time is getting very short

Preston Hannatized

September 12th, 2012
8:32 am

Relax. 19 games to play … and they have a 6.5 game lead over the Dodgers for the second wild card slot.

I have never been a Fredi guy, he’s overmatched and clueless. I think Frank Wren too often steps in a cow patty and comes up smelling like a rose, but I do believe the Braves can hang on to this WC slot. A collapse at this stage would be worse than 2011 and the Braves pitching is too good and the bullpen still solid for that to happen. But offensively, this is not a good team.

They must hold on to the #1 WC slot for the home field because they will have zero chance against a road lefty in a one-game event.

longtimefan

September 12th, 2012
8:47 am

The soulless Braves are 7-3 in the last 10 games in the heat of the pennant race while the trailing 3 teams have lost at least 3 games to us. We must be watching 2 different teams or you guys expect perfection. If you guys were Cub or Astro fans we would be on mass suicide watch.

harry taylor

September 12th, 2012
8:56 am

The point is what is the Braves record against teams with .500 record or better. You aren’t going to be facing the trailing 3 teams in the playoffs.

Tom

September 12th, 2012
9:01 am

At some point you’d think Freddi and the Braves hitters would recognize that they need to play small ball and try to score 1 run at a time when they get someone on base rather than continue to “swing the bats hard”. This is Bobby Cox’s method of (non)management of the offense during game situations and obviously Freddi learned it well.

yellowfever

September 12th, 2012
9:01 am

Phillies will over take choking Braves in their head to head match up in a couple of weeks. Good Bye Fredi, Chipper. Glad to see your back Dan, back in the line up is about it. Freddie Freeman where are you? Michael, Prado, J-hey, where are you guys. choke, choke, choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke,choke!

Don

September 12th, 2012
9:03 am

With Uggla, it looks like the Braves may be stuck with another “part time” player taking up a significant part of the salary budget for years to come.
Of couse being a “part time” player does not have to be the problem — the way he has produced for a significant part of this season, he should not even be playing part time – so it could be a “no time” player taking up a big part of the budget.
But when you have a Bobby Cox clone, we all know how that works relaitng giving players playing time and playing your best players.
Problem is when you can’t hit, and you are significantly below average defensively, and are a significantly below average runner – there ain’t much left. — especially in terms of what you are getting for those big bucks.

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:04 am

More excuses….blah, blah, blah.

We play like a bunch of scared 3rd graders. It gets old.

Fats Johnson

September 12th, 2012
9:05 am

This is nothing to worry about. They will regroup and make the playoffs

Playoffs, WHO CARES

September 12th, 2012
9:05 am

Braves, do us a favor. DON’T make the playoffs. You will embrass yourself’s and your fan’s.

Don

September 12th, 2012
9:08 am

With the (for the most part) the great pitching that the Braves have had since 1991 (over the last 21 years), it would seem to have to be judged as the period of the most wasted talent and wasted opportunities in BASEBALL HISTORY.

man and dog

September 12th, 2012
9:13 am

@Don – We can thank Boobie Cox for most of that. Now, we have Boobie’s hand-picked replacement. Fredie makes Cox look like the best manager of all time, which he is not.

vesaversa

September 12th, 2012
9:14 am

I watch that game it was if they turn on the air when the Brave hitter’ got up to hit. I saw many long ball that i though should have went out of the park but came up short . The Braves will continue to play hard and jump out of this slump . Go BRAVO’S

old scout

September 12th, 2012
9:17 am

Chipper needs to shut up and play. Sinced he has only played about half of the games, surely he can play the last two weeks without days off..after all, he is about to have years to rest up. Right now the offense is being killed because the lead-off hitter strikes out more than he makes contact. This guy is not worth a big bucks, long-term contract.

Nerdville

September 12th, 2012
9:22 am

Any chance at a Division title is now over. Forget that one.
Now the Braves are up against a good team and they are exposed again. Face it. The offense sucks. It is beyond pathetic. Wren didn’t think we needed more offense. Wren also believes Batman is real.

Where are all the rah rahs now? Crying to their mommies? They got all excited when the Braves swept the Mets who right now may be the worst team in all of MLB.

DonofAcworth

September 12th, 2012
9:23 am

I just read all of the posts to see what the posters are saying that I agree with. Seems all season 80 per cent or so are for replacing Fredi because we only have the forth best record in baseball and we’re up against the Nat’s who are having a break out year with all their talent peaking the same season. I must admit I an very unhappy with him because of the way he is. (read above posts) Still IF we get to the playoffs and IF somehow our good pitching manages to win in spite of our hitting and lack of manager good scense and lack of ability to spark the team…. well… it will be all LUCK because what he’s doing lacks skill!

Double Zero Eight

September 12th, 2012
9:26 am

Fredi and Liberty media will consider this season to
be outstanding when the Braves make the playoffs
as a wild card team. They have no realistic
expectations that the Braves will win the NL pennant.

The Braves should have added a big bat when they had the
opportunity. Their only chance of making it out of the wildcard
playoff is if Medlen holds the opposition to 1 run or less.

Let’s hope the bats can come alive in the event they make it
out of the wildcard playoff. Anything is possible.

Bob Horner

September 12th, 2012
9:36 am

16 games left… 8-8 would probably do it. We have 9 games against the Marlins and Mets remaining (6 of which are at home). Odds look good to make the playoffs, so the sky is not falling. The offense hasn’t been producing, but we were lucky enough to win 5 in a row without bats. It’s evening out now. Just start swinging a little, and we will be fine.

That’s not to say anyone on this blog has an ounce of confidence that we can win a sudden death game against another Wild Card team. This new structure epitomizes ‘urgency’ — and the Braves do not know what that means. Urgency = panic in Atlanta.

Just get your heads in the game people. Do not pee on yourselves when the Nationals come to town Friday night – it’s time to start playing baseball

Rick C

September 12th, 2012
9:37 am

Old Braves Fan, three of the teams you named are struggling right now and having losing records in their last 10. The Braves are above 500 in their last 10. The Phillies and Brewers are playing well now, but they still would have to pass three teams just to get the second WC spot.

Fols

September 12th, 2012
9:47 am

I see where this is going. We’re going to play 163 ball games, MAYBE sqeeze into a one game play-in style match-up and like most of our important games, we’ll score zero runs.

The Atlanta Braves legacy is being a regular season hero. Someone forgot to tell them that September is still the regular season.

I can handle a loss, but can we ever lose a game without being completely shutdown?

Steven

September 12th, 2012
9:52 am

These comments are ridiculous. Where are the real fans? This team has a chance at the playoffs and you have nothing positive to say??? People need to wake up and support their team. Show up to home games and packed out Turner Field. All the “negative nancys” need to go away. Go Braves!!!

Let's Go

September 12th, 2012
9:57 am

On the plus side in the last 10 games the Braves are 7 and 3 while the Cards are 4 and 6, the Pirates are 2 and 8 and the Dodgers are 4 and 6. On the negative side the Phillies and Brewers are red hot and knocking on the door of the wild card. All of a sudden next weekends series at Philadelphia is looking awful large for both teams.

BravesFanSince80s

September 12th, 2012
10:05 am

I agree Fols, it’s not the losing, it’s HOW they lose. This team (sorry to beat a dead horse) is pretty much the same one as last year in terms of personnel. They are now showing that same bleak, “deer caught in the headlights” look any time the breaks don’t go their way. I can handle some losing as well, it IS a long season afterall, but what about a little fire in the belly? For example: last night after that debacle in the 7th, why wasn’t SOMEBODY, HELL ANYBODY, trying to motivate the team to rally and come back? If we see that going on, and the team scrambles and scrapes at anything they can to come back, and still falls short, then oh well, they tried their best. Can you honestly say (to all the RAH-RAH types) that this team looks like they give their best effort every night (or even close to that)? The realistic answer is unequivically, no…

Let's Go

September 12th, 2012
10:06 am

I still think the Braves will make the Playoffs as one of the wildcards because it’s a lot easier for a team to get out of a hitting funk then it is to all of a sudden need to find good starting pitching. The Braves starters have been outstanding for a while now and even though I’m still not crazy about the bullpen I think somehow they will come up with 6 guys to get it together for the last couple of weeks of the season. One thing I am certain and that is Miguel Batista will not be one of those 6.

sean jones

September 12th, 2012
10:10 am

FREDDIE has to go!! THis team hurts to watch! THink they just swallowed their tongue—paging the choke Dr. to the Brewers visiting clubhouse!

Same Ole negative dumbazz comments

September 12th, 2012
10:16 am

Lot of good comments today.
I am a ‘lifelong’ fan of the Braves, but I sure do hate their guts.
Boring, no fire, can’t hit, Uggla, and some more blah, blah, blah.

The Living Legend

September 12th, 2012
10:16 am

History repeats itself, usually not two years in a row though. Braves fall down the stretch again.

cdog

September 12th, 2012
10:23 am

one thing puzzling me is the braves lack of scoring runs.well, the big problem and question i have is why all of the braves players go up to the plate taking pitches and looking to walk instead hitting the ball.the next thing is when we played ball back in the day, we went up to the plate looking to hit whatever pitch was thrown. we didn”t go there looking for certain pitches.we were prepared to hit any pitch thrown and we hit the ball and not get into 1-2 counts by taking pitches then swing at balls that we should have taken and strikeout as the braves hitters usually do.i remember the pittsburgh pirates with al oliver, willie stargell, richie hebner, roberto clemente, manny sanguillen, bob robertson,dave cash and the rest.when they went up to the plate they were all looking to hit and not walk.they were known as the lumber company.the braves should be known as the air company because they never swing at pitches.they take pitches right down the middle with runners on baseball and wonder why they don”t score runs.to score you have to swing the bats, be prepared to hit whatever pitches are thrown then you find your team will start winning and scoring lots of runs more often

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