Brewers snap Braves’ five-game win streak

Milwaukee – Yes, the Braves were playing yet another hot team in what was supposed to be a mild stretch in the schedule. But that wasn’t their biggest issue Monday night.

The Braves kept finding ways to beat themselves in a 4-1 loss to the Brewers, after a Jonny Venters’ throwing error changed the complexion of the game in a four-run seventh inning.

Mike Minor and the Braves had shut out the Brewers for 5 2/3 innings but Minor had to come out after piling up a career-high 115 pitches. The Braves turned to their middle relievers with a 1-0 lead and watched Venters give up a leadoff single and a walk to Jean Segura, who was trying to bunt the runner over.

When Jeff Bianchi followed with a sacrifice bunt, Venters fielded and threw wildly to third base, allowing the Brewers to tie the game 1-1. The play set off a chain reaction of three more runs, when the runner, Eric Farris, might have been safe at third either way.

Chad Durbin walked the bases loaded and gave up a two-run double to Norichka Aoki to break the game open.

“The leadoff hit wasn’t a bad pitch, but they’re trying to give you an out right there and to walk that guy is unacceptable,” Venters said. “This loss is on my back. I didn’t do my job. I let my team down that battled through a good game today.”

The Braves outhit the Brewers 10-4 but got thrown out on the basepaths four times. Martin Prado went 3-for-4 but got thrown out at third base twice, trying to go first to third on singles. The right fielder Aoki got him in the fourth inning for the second out, and center fielder Carlos Gomez gunned him down to end the eighth.

“Early in the game, I’m fine with it,” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said. “Trying to go first to third with one out, I’m OK with it, but the one there with Danny (Uggla) at the plate swinging it, the tying run at the plate, that’s not acceptable.”

The Brewers won for the 11th time in 16 games to keep their faint wild card hopes alive. The Braves snapped a five-game winning streak and fell to 3-16 on Mondays.

While the Braves have their Monday hex to work through, Minor had his own personal demons to exorcise.

Minor was pitching at Miller Park for the first time since April 6, 2011 in what was probably the worst start of his career. Minor walked three batters in his first 14 pitches that day and was doing well to last 4 1/3 innings in a 5-4 loss.

Unlike that meltdown in a spot start for the injured Jair Jurrjens, Minor was in control Monday even when he wasn’t.

Minor needed 50 pitches to get through the first two innings and gave up two walks to the first five batters he faced. But he never got rattled, not even when he had to face reigning NL MVP Ryan Braun with a runner at third base in a scoreless game. He got Braun to line out to end the third.

“I was like ‘I’m not doing that again,’” said Minor, who buckled down when his mind started wandering to his previous start here. “I was like ‘I’m going to throw some strikes.’ I thought I threw some pretty good pitches early on. They didn’t offer at them.”

Minor was at 99 pitches after only five innings, though, so it would be a short night, despite the fact that he extended his scoreless streak over his past two outings to 12 2/3 innings.

Minor gave up only two hits, walked two and struck out eight to leave the Braves with a 1-0 lead in the sixth inning. But the Braves have scored only two runs in his past two starts.

Andrelton Simmons, making his first start in more than two months, got the Braves’ only run across, when he grounded into a double play in the fifth inning with runners first and third.

The Braves had a hard enough time getting much going against Brewers hard-throwing rookie Wily Peralta, but they ran themselves out of three scoring opportunities in the first four innings.

Jason Heyward was caught stealing at second to end the first. Freddie Freeman was picked off first base in the second. And Prado got thrown out at third by Aoki on a Heyward single, leaving the Braves with nothing to show for three consecutive singles in the fourth inning.

“I can live with getting thrown out stealing,” Chipper Jones said. “I can live with getting thrown out going first to third. You’re being aggressive. You’re forcing guys to make perfect throws under duress. And they did it tonight. But pickoffs and other shady baserunning, there’s no excuse for that. But they made plays. You’ve got to give them credit tonight.”

97 comments Add your comment

scrappy

September 10th, 2012
11:30 pm

Why in the world did Fredo take Minor out when he did? He was dealing?

And WHOSE bullpen is supposed to suck out loud? It certainly was not Milwaukee’s tonight!

Michael Kelly

September 10th, 2012
11:31 pm

That was awful.
Tough one. Move on tomorrow and take the series!
GO BRAVES!!!
MK

mountain_jim

September 10th, 2012
11:32 pm

What happened to the Venters of last season? Terrible loss.

nashvillewill

September 10th, 2012
11:34 pm

Once again, Venters shows that he cannot be relied upon in close games. He clearly could benefit from some help from a sports psychologist. He’s on the verge of becoming a Rick Ankiel-type situation.

Quicherbichin

September 10th, 2012
11:34 pm

Minor came out because he had thrown 115 pitches, DOB mentioned that in the article.

NorCal Brave

September 10th, 2012
11:35 pm

Appears the strategy tonight was play more aggressively now that we’re up a handful for the home WC. Poor result, obviously. How long is Fredi going to stick with the slumping Freeman, who’s looked out of synch for weeks. His struggles at the plate are spreading to his defense, as well. His RBI production is sorely missed.

Brandon

September 10th, 2012
11:37 pm

@scrappy – most likely because Minor was at 115 pitches

scrappy

September 10th, 2012
11:43 pm

Point conceded. I didn’t read that carefully enough. 115 is a heap of pitches.

In any event, he did not lose the game tonight. He pitched very well. Unfortunately, in the late innings the Braves decided to return to Little League mistakes on the basepath and poor fielding. Certainly a bad loss.

The Brave Californian

September 10th, 2012
11:44 pm

Bummer of a loss, considering that the Nationals easily took care of business against the Mets. I confess I always feel a bit uneasy when I see Durbin take the mound in a tight game.

Mike Overvold

September 10th, 2012
11:44 pm

Venters has proven himself to be too erratic for a 1 run game. Why can’t O’flaretty pitch two innings in that situation?

Henry D.

September 10th, 2012
11:45 pm

So what about 115 pitches. If you can’t throw another few pitches this time of year, you’re either not much good or you play for Fredi Gonzales. Venters has turned into a head case. Unless he is injured, which noone has said anything about, then his head is just screwed up.

TMann68

September 10th, 2012
11:46 pm

Freddy has way too much confidence in Durbin.

thomas smith

September 11th, 2012
12:00 am

i think. he should of left minor in,he is young,also durbin shouldn’t be in any game when its on the line like that(1-1)when he came in.constanza should have pinch run for mccan in 8th,he would have scored on the hit by overbay(we have 3 catchers on roster now)fredi is not a good manager

double

September 11th, 2012
12:22 am

carson

September 11th, 2012
12:47 am

Go brewers. It would be something if we made it in the wild card. But our bullpen is horrible.

Tim

September 11th, 2012
1:10 am

Wisconsin Braves fan was at the game tonight boy that was uggly. We lost because of two plays the first was why Didnt Fredi pinch run for McCann in the 7th and we would of had a run on Overbays hit.The second one was when Venters walks a guy thats trying to bunt hell he dosnt have the next guy butting then maybe it goes are way.Tod my friend watch Oaki get a hit there with the bases loaded as he was line driving every ball he hit. Wow Prado twice at third and Heyward out stealing and Freeman picked off it wasnt to be tonight. Will be at next two lets win them.GO BRAVES

Oregon Brave

September 11th, 2012
1:10 am

I can’t disagree with the Fredi detractors tonight. But I’m not here for that. What I’d like to know is how come the base running is consistently horrible? Game after game. Is it bad coaching or bad decisions in the heat of the game. And of course it’s Monday, so it’s good to get this crappy style of play over with today. Tuesday anyone? Go Braves.

Brentaford

September 11th, 2012
1:29 am

I wish there was some way for us fans to give Minor a pat on the back and say “Hey man, we love you. You are awesome. Us fans do know that despite your record, you are pitching like a champ!”

Teddy B

September 11th, 2012
2:47 am

Chad Durbin strikes again. Been a while since he’s blown a game, stuff happens I guess. At least he doesn’t pitch that often anymore. We have some excellent pitchers, and we have the Tommy Hanson-Chad Durbin type of pitchers who I wouldn’t count on to scratch my back because they’d fail miserably.

Teddy B

September 11th, 2012
3:01 am

Mike Minor is coming around and pitching much better than expected. I wasn’t sure about him during spring training with his ‘let me start or trade me’ ego talk, but I guess he’s thrown quite a few quality starts so he gets a cap tipped to him for sure. I was ready to say let him go when he was talking crazy this spring! I know if the season was on the line in a do or die situation I’d rather have Minor out there instead of some total washout-bust-bum like Hanson, that is only if our best options weren’t available to pitch- Huddy, Medlen, or Maholm.

When we have to run Hanson out there its almost an automatic loss like Lowe last year, I’d love to see him benched or “pull a groin and get DL’ed like they do when they want to get rid of a guy for a little while. Minor can pitch well most of the time but he’s still a bit shaky once in a while and won’t get enough run support or he’ll make a few mistakes and get homered on and blow it.

At least we pretty much got a Wild Card spot locked up unless we melt down and everyone starts pitching like Mmmm Bop Tommy Hanson! The new Wild Card format makes me uneasy though, anything can happen in that 1 game plus we burn up our #1 pitcher. I’d throw Medlen out there and pray. Maybe keep Huddy fresh for game 1 of the next series when we get there.

Tyler

September 11th, 2012
3:17 am

Post all star break for Minor: 3-4 with a 2.56 ERA in 63.1 innings and only 6 HR allowed. Keep it up.

marty

September 11th, 2012
6:07 am

yea minor pitch count was up BUT why not finish the the 6th had Two outs micro manager

Wrecker

September 11th, 2012
6:18 am

115 pitches was his career high. Do you want Minor to burn his arm out like Strasberg, or even Medlen?

fredi fishstick

September 11th, 2012
6:23 am

Never seen a manager so ready to throw his players under the bus.

daSarge

September 11th, 2012
6:50 am

You can’t spell BraveS without BS.

LivinInAL

September 11th, 2012
7:05 am

So, if the last batter Minor faced had fouled a pitch or two off, would Freddie have taken Minor out with 2-2 or 3-2 count? And why send Venters in to face 3-4 right handed batters? Should have taken Venters out with only 5 pitches thrown. This was a poor effort on the Braves part from manager on down ( give Minor some credit though). Not the way the game should be played in Sept.

Jerry in Tennessee

September 11th, 2012
7:09 am

Cannot pin this one on the manager. I do not like to see Durbin in a tight game but I get that he has pitched well this season. When two good teams play the team that does the little things right usually wins.

Michael Woody

September 11th, 2012
7:12 am

If we kept minor in for one more out, we could bring in Cory gearin for the 7th inning o flarghty 8th and kimbrel 9th

afaq fardad

September 11th, 2012
7:15 am

With passion and hard work are essential to the peace of mind.

Monday's SUCK

September 11th, 2012
7:16 am

Same old song. Another Monday, another loss. TOO MUCH OF A BAD HABBIT

Johnny Vaught

September 11th, 2012
7:17 am

Venters and Hanson need to be trade bait to bring us in a third baseman! Or to replace Bourn, because you know the Braves ain’t going to pay him what it’ll take to keep him.

Tom

September 11th, 2012
7:29 am

Monday strikes again, at least the rild card playoff game is on a friday.

HERE COMES THE JUDGE

September 11th, 2012
7:34 am

Way too many good hitting players in batting slumps…hold the pitching coach’s paycheck + he replaced the pitching coach who’s now coaching first…so what’s the problem!! One of those guys should recognize the problem and work on fixing it (you know?). Late inning mental let downs is unacceptable…playoffs are on the horizon so line up the smart parts of the brain and play SMART!! CASE CLOSED

varoadrunner

September 11th, 2012
7:35 am

Tough game for Minor but the more he is pitching now, the better I feel about him. Prado was a little too agressive last night. His two mistakes were rally killers. He’s better than that. Getem tonight Braves

varoadrunner

September 11th, 2012
7:39 am

@Oregon Brave – Great question. Was Prado waived around second on each OUT or was it his own decision? Also seemed inappropriate to run Heyward with Chipped at the plate although it was early in the game.

Carl Farvman

September 11th, 2012
7:58 am

“He’s on the verge of becoming a Rick Ankiel-type situation.”

No. Ankiel went from one of the Cards top starters to forgetting how to pitch almost over night. He set a WS record for most wild pitches in 1 inning. The ordeal was surreal as it was playing out.

Anyway, it’s time to blow Fredi and Frank out the door.

Tennisbrave

September 11th, 2012
8:12 am

Venters again! Fredi needs to keep this guy out of close games.

RBrave

September 11th, 2012
8:16 am

Does anybody know why Reed Johnson is not playing ? He’s the only .300 hitter on the team and he’s sitting ? And our biggest problem right now is scoring runs ! Play him until he hits .250 like the rest of them !

Joseph Seamhead

September 11th, 2012
8:20 am

How is it that the Braves are 6 1/2 back of the Nats? How did this happen?

TechRon

September 11th, 2012
8:30 am

Again, this is a Fredi loss. Why pull a pitcher who is getting them out? If they have it, leave them. If they ain’t got it, get them out of there. He has to keep Venters on a short leash. If he shows after even one batter that he does not have his control, take him out. No excuse for him to even be in there after showing poor control. The Venters of last year is gone with Juergens. We have to go with who can do the job NOW, and that is not Venters. I remember watching the great managers of the past in critical games. They were on top of every pitch. They did not worry about the pitcher’s feelings and so on. If they showed they did not have what it took then and there, they made a change. Gonzalez is not a good manager. He blew it last season and is trying to do the same again.

Rick C

September 11th, 2012
8:30 am

RBrave, I think they don’t want Reed playing everyday because he’s had back issues in the past.

Old Braves Fan

September 11th, 2012
8:43 am

Once again not hitting in clutch situations and less than heads up play on many counts–this is not the sign of a team that is ready for playoff action. Just the opposite should be happening this time of year. If Minor was pitching poorly I would take him out but why tdake him out jusst becasue his pitch count is high–pitch counts have become all too “important” in this day and age. To outhit them 10-4 and lose is totally unacceptable Hope is still there but remember we had a big lead in the wild card this time last year also

Mikey

September 11th, 2012
8:44 am

RBrave: If Reed plays last night against the R/Her, then our MVP Prado sits. Tough loss last night, but having the 4th best power rankings in ML and Simmons back should make for an interesting Sept.

Casey

September 11th, 2012
8:48 am

You people are completely out of it. The Braves did NOT lose the game because of Minor, Venters, Durbin, or any other pitcher. They lost because of everything else. They can’t hit, can’t throw, can’t catch, can’t run the bases. About the only thing this team can do, right now, is pitch. This is like a broken record. Every game the pitchers shut them down and they can’t score or play defense. This is not a playoff team.

Winchester

September 11th, 2012
8:53 am

Venters and Durbin is a sure recipe for losing. Why in the world would anyone put these two losers into the mix?

Oh, I forgot…Fredi is the manager and McDowell is the pitching coach.

Hey…here’s a thought! Fire Fredi and McDowell and option the other two losers.

harry taylor

September 11th, 2012
9:11 am

The Braves had four runners thrown out on the base paths, committed two errors and issued seven walks. They also left seven men on base over the final six innings.

Sounds like the keystone cops made an appearance.

shorty

September 11th, 2012
9:14 am

This loss was appalling not just because of Fredi’s mismanagement..but the umps were a bunch of clowns..the Brewers were caught stealing at least 3 times..0 called…the Braves were caught 4 times…only one was legit…but if a complaint were filed Selig and MLB would ignore it..Selig still has close ties to Milwaukee..don’t forget the Ryan Braun PED case.Bud Selig needs to be fired NOW!

shorty

September 11th, 2012
9:14 am

This loss was appalling not just because of Fredi’s mismanagement..but the umps were a bunch of clowns..the Brewers were caught stealing at least 3 times..0 called…the Braves were caught 4 times…only one was legit…but if a complaint were filed Selig and MLB would ignore it..Selig still has close ties to Milwaukee..don’t forget the Ryan Braun PED case.Bud Selig needs to be fired NOW!

shorty

September 11th, 2012
9:14 am

This loss was appalling not just because of Fredi’s mismanagement..but the umps were a bunch of clowns..the Brewers were caught stealing at least 3 times..0 called…the Braves were caught 4 times…only one was legit…but if a complaint were filed Selig and MLB would ignore it..Selig still has close ties to Milwaukee..don’t forget the Ryan Braun PED case.Bud Selig needs to be fired NOW!

shorty

September 11th, 2012
9:14 am

This loss was appalling not just because of Fredi’s mismanagement..but the umps were a bunch of clowns..the Brewers were caught stealing at least 3 times..0 called…the Braves were caught 4 times…only one was legit…but if a complaint were filed Selig and MLB would ignore it..Selig still has close ties to Milwaukee..don’t forget the Ryan Braun PED case.Bud Selig needs to be fired NOW!

shorty

September 11th, 2012
9:14 am

This loss was appalling not just because of Fredi’s mismanagement..but the umps were a bunch of clowns..the Brewers were caught stealing at least 3 times..0 called…the Braves were caught 4 times…only one was legit…but if a complaint were filed Selig and MLB would ignore it..Selig still has close ties to Milwaukee..don’t forget the Ryan Braun PED case.Bud Selig needs to be fired NOW!

shorty

September 11th, 2012
9:15 am

Sorry I didn’t mean to repost twice.

same ole negative dumbazz comments

September 11th, 2012
9:21 am

Glad to see so many of my friends show up today after this Braves loss, last night.
The way that they have been winning, I didn’t know when I would get to hear from so many of you, back on the blogs again.
It’s amazing how just one bad game can brings us all back together.

reckingball

September 11th, 2012
9:53 am

scrappy-doo @11:30pm…….115 pitches thrown was the reason Minor was pulled.
The reason that he had thrown 115 pitches, is because the Home plate Umpire was squeezing Minor very badly.
As for the idiots that don’t think 115 pitches thrown by Minor is not that big of a deal, and that he should have stayed in and thrown some more, well……your idiots. haha.
go braves

reckingball

September 11th, 2012
9:58 am

It looked more like the Braves and the umpires had a bigger hand in snapping their 5 game winning streak, than the Brewers did.
But, you can’t win them all.
They need to comeback and take the next 2.
go braves

Bobby's Chauffeur

September 11th, 2012
10:02 am

Thrown out stealing and taking the bat out of Chipper’s hand…. mistake. Going from first to third and getting thrown out by a foot…. mistake. getting picked off first…..mistake trying to get the lead runner at third when he is almost AT the bag before you throw the ball…mistake… taking the bat out of Uggla’s hand going first to third … mistake….. Not replacing McCann with pinch runner …mistake.. A good team can over come a mistake or two… but 6 or more hard to overcome.Minor deserved better.. the team lacks fire. it appears not everyone is on board. Each player should have the attitude that it is up to ME to win this game. Without that mindset. It is all HOPE and MAYBE we can beat them. that won’t get you in the playoffs.

HAL

September 11th, 2012
10:07 am

clown question wasnt the ump black

harry taylor

September 11th, 2012
10:19 am

Blame the umps for blowing balls and strike. Blame them for missed calls on the bases.

Always someone to blame. Shut up and play ball.

the truth...

September 11th, 2012
10:40 am

We lost….Venter’s was terrible….baserunning was agressive but they made the throws and sometimes they do….the catcher has a rocket arm (ask Heyward)….

All that said I continue to wonder at the pitch counts today being so conservative as opposed to the days of Spahn and Sain….Marichal and Nolan….

I grew up watching Spahn and his era and in those days it was routine for starting pitchers to be complete game pitchers…..like 200 complete games in Spahn’s career with over 300 wins. In the past month I’ve watched the “Boys in The Hall” after a couple of games and have watched episodes of both Spahn and Marichal….

If you never heard of their game of the century, do a Bing or Google search and read about a game where they both went 16 innings…….against each other….

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/sports/baseball/02nohit.html?_r=1&exprod=permalink&pagewanted=print

I know this is a different era, but the baseball isn’t heavier and conditioning should be better……..so what’s the excuse for 5 innings to be the norm?

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 11th, 2012
10:51 am

Venters was demoted from 8th inning set up man, to 7th inning gap man. He has been a heart attack waiting to happen all year. His K’s are down, walks are up, and ERA at one point was around 7.

Maybe his over use last year has lead to what we see now. Bobby Cox was renound for destroying and over using young pitchers… Guess the braves found a good replacement for manager.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 11th, 2012
10:58 am

Flip side, Venters throw to 3rd was about as accurate as his throws to home plate! No where close!

braveslover

September 11th, 2012
11:05 am

“You’ve got to give them credit”…is that the same as tipping your hat?

Charles

September 11th, 2012
11:10 am

The Braves have “probably” played well enough to secure their wild card play-in game spot but games like last night show that the management of this team cannot be counted on to win a full series against a good team. Maybe we’ll get lucky enough to make the wild card, and maybe with Medlen we’ll win the play-in game, but after that it’s lights out against DC, SF or Cincy. With Medlen out of the rotation for a 5 game series unless they get to Game 5, the Braves will be lucky to win 1 game with their offense and inconsistent field play. There will be someone vying to be the next Brooks Conrad, as Venters and Durbin showed tonight. You can slice and dice it any way you want, but getting to the NLDS and going out 3-1 is the best you can reasonably expect from this inconsistent group and current management. I agree Hanson should go – his mechanics and off-field behavior won’t get him past his current level. That’s a relatively easy decision. The organization has to make a lot of tough decisions — do you “keep the team intact” as Wren did last season on the assumption that the September collapse was a fluke or do you recognize once and for all that your squad just doesn’t stack up man for man with the better teams in the NL either in starting pitching or offense. For some cities, like the ChiCubs, getting to the wild card game would pack the stands, but Atlanta is not that kind of town. While a Boston fruit basket turnover is not necessary, some tough decisions will have to be that will determine whether Atlanta will be a legitimate late playoff contender or just a team that has a shot of making the play-in game. Unfortunately, the past seven years or so don’t offer much optimism – a lot of bad deals with some great stars playing for other teams: Wainwright, Andrus, Feliz, Infante… Hanson was hailed as the “real deal” but after his rookie season has gotten progressively worse. McCann is injury-prone — good/great player when he’s healthy but he could very easily develop into a 110 gamer like Chipper if he gets the big contract, and when McCann’s not 100% healthy, he don’t hit (unlike Chipper who plays with pain everyday and produces when he plays). Bourn may not be affordable (The Nationals Asst GM Scott Boras will see to that – he’s already penciled in some big numbers for Mike to solidfy an already overwhelming team that may have cost itself a World Series this season by shutting down an All-Star ace to protect Scott’s future big payday). While it’s no sure thing to be sure, it will be most damaging if the Braves cannot resign Bourn. Next Uggly problem is getting Scoal-Man to step up to the plate or he’ll be a candidate for the heave-Lowe if he can’t bounce back. Heyward, Freeman and Prado are a solid base on which to build and Simmons has great potential. Thus, resigning Bourn, Uggla and McCann are the question marks. The rotation is this team’s Achilles heel now and in the near term. Hudson won’t play after his deal is over, which leaves us with Medlen, Minor and a bunch of unproven prospects. That’s the primary area where the team must rebuild if it expects to be a long term contender for a championship, as opposed to the namby-pamby inconsistent play that we have seen for the past years, which was on full display in last night’s game. Unfortunately, current management lacked the balls to make changes last season, when they (and apparently everyone else) knew Jurgens was a goner and should have known Hanson was in decline, and stuck with the team that showed markedly inconsistent play last season. If they don’t collapse against the Brewers in the rest of this series, followed by the Nats, resurgent Phillies and hungry Pirates and make the play-in game, the Braves management will likely tip their hat and say “we made the playoffs” and do nothing to build a real contender, and will stick with something that approaches today’s inconsistent package. When the best we can hope for is to be the sacrificial lamb for SF, DC, a healthy Philly team or the reloaded Dodgers, that’s not a team I want to support.

Rick C

September 11th, 2012
11:19 am

Believe it or not, Venter’s K/9 is actually higher this year than both his first two seasons.

reckingball

September 11th, 2012
11:23 am

How much does someone, that does not think that bad umpiring can effect the outcome of a game, really know about baseball?
Not much, imo.

Casey Stinkle

September 11th, 2012
11:40 am

If I never see Venters again in a Braves uniform, it will be just fine with me.

cdog

September 11th, 2012
11:45 am

once again freddie gonzalez put a player ahead of the team.johnny venters is a loser and should only pitch when there is a blowout on either side.all batters has to do with venters is take. all of his pitches will be thrown into the ground.gonzalez doesn”t want to win the division bad enough.please keep venters off the mound, please!

cdog

September 11th, 2012
11:52 am

along with venters being a loser and freeddie gonzalez a terrible manager, BRIAN McCANN turned the game around by not scoring.if you know you are slow, get a lead and go on the crack of the bat.the hit was aground ball.that run would have turned the game psycologically. hopefully gonzalez would not have been worry about johnny venters being mad at him and put him in the game.probably would have though.bobby valentime would have had the braves on top instead of gonzalez.i see why the marlins let him go.

alex

September 11th, 2012
11:53 am

they get venters out with sacrifice, he refuse, instead he walked him, than they get him out again on first with bunt, instead he prefer out on third that was highly unrealistic, nobody in right mind even think about. only one solution get him brain check or be to late.

Carl Farvman

September 11th, 2012
11:56 am

Charles, I read the first few sentences and stopped.. I don’t believe many on this board have the attention span, or patience, to read all that stuff. Just write a couple snide comments about the team—the way most of us do it–and close with “Fredi and Frank need to get the boot” and then move on to the next post 5-10 minutes later. Trying to save you some time.

Lobosolo

September 11th, 2012
11:58 am

Jeebus, you folks take the cake… it happens in baseball… I thought y’all were jusrt crappy fans, but you people are flat out just plain STUPID…

Lobosolo

September 11th, 2012
11:59 am

Semper CRY!!!

jack

September 11th, 2012
12:07 pm

Same old – Braves continue to struggle getting runners moved over and in – pitching for Braves is outstanding-Low scoring Braves especially weak when they play Teams over .500 or those playnig over .500 and B. Pitchers have to give up 2 runs or less most of the time

- Chipper is so tired he cannot help any longer, he needs a long rest (week or so)-his defense play is marginal now too – play Francisco , Prado or Baker
-Freddy F. needs rest even at age 23 -same for Burn who has played himself out-full throttle every play
-hope i am wrong but this does not look to be a Play-off Team -and please do not tell me how far out in front they are over St,Louis,etc- six seven games go in a hurry9where were you in September 2011?)
-Freddi G. probably not back in 2013-which is OK even though I was big supporter to replace Bobby but The Players are blowing this in 2012 -

PWilliams

September 11th, 2012
12:10 pm

Can the Braves get rid of Venters, he has shown on numerous occassions that he just isn’t worth the money….

PWilliams

September 11th, 2012
12:10 pm

Can the Braves get rid of Venters, he has shown on numerous occassions that he just isn’t worth the money….

PWilliams

September 11th, 2012
12:10 pm

Can the Braves get rid of Venters, he has shown on numerous occassions that he just isn’t worth the money….

same ole negative dumbazz comments

September 11th, 2012
12:10 pm

cdog @11:45am & 11:52am…………Very good comments.

same ole negative dumbazz comments

September 11th, 2012
12:12 pm

Jack…….Right on the money.

CC

September 11th, 2012
12:33 pm

Fredi — I keep GROANING and MOANING every time Venters comes in. Don’t you hear it?? Don’t you get that every time he comes in he’s a potential total liability? Haven’t you seen this movie too many times before?

We DON’T want a sequel.

Rick C

September 11th, 2012
12:42 pm

jack, the situation is still quite different this year. Last year, St. Louis was surging. This year, all of the Braves’ closest competitors in the WC race (STL, LAD, and PIT), have losing records in their last 10 games.

Ed

September 11th, 2012
1:23 pm

My comments as an armchair coach:
Would it be unheard of for a hitting coach to tell Freddy Freeman to correct his swing. He will NEVER be a decent major leage hitter until he does. The uppercut swing will only prpduce pop ups and strukeouts.
Never bring in Durbin with runners on the bases. He should only be used to start an inning when he can let the first batter hit a double or homer and then settle down.
Venters needs to have a long conversation with the previous closer about what he is doing wrong.
Put a batter in the number 2 spot who can bunt, or at least turn Bourn lose and allow him to steal.
Do not use Kimbrell in a non-save situation.
Once in a while try a hit and run.
Maximum contract for bourn should be six million.
My advice is offered freely.. No compensation is expected.

Lion Heart

September 11th, 2012
1:33 pm

Venters looked pretty darn good against the Mets. Now he’s garbage?? This forum is really amusing after the Braves lose a game. All the idiots come out from under their respective rocks to tell us what’s wrong, most likely because nobody at home will listen to their blather. We’ve even got geniuses diagnosing Freeman’s swing “problem”. Such wisdom.

Lion Heart

September 11th, 2012
1:36 pm

@Charles – Dude, you might want to cut down on the caffeine. Take a breath and start a new paragraph at some point.

Felix

September 11th, 2012
1:46 pm

Once again a Braves starter pitches his guts out only to be screwed by his own team mates.

Finklestein

September 11th, 2012
1:48 pm

Venters to Mississppi and Durbin to the unemployment line.

Rick C

September 11th, 2012
1:54 pm

Ed, so Freeman’s career 271/344/447 line isn’t “decent?”

I don’t know where he ranks now, but earlier this season Durbin was among the best relievers in stranding inherited runners.

Prado can bunt quite well, but personally I don’t think it makes much sense using a 300 hitter to bunt except in certain situations.

What about using Kimbrel in a tied game in the ninth at home?

No hope for Braves

September 11th, 2012
2:43 pm

I think Charles had a hell of a post and made a lot of sense. What the man said is true. Shows he is a dedicated baseball fan. If y’all have such a short attention span, it looks like the Braves are your team, since they are just like a commercial on TV….boring. Maybe when this comedy of errors is over for 2012, the Braves will make many much needed changes. Where is Howdy Doody when ya need him.

reckingball

September 11th, 2012
2:58 pm

@2:43…..One of Charle’s other monikers.

reckingball

September 11th, 2012
3:04 pm

Charles @11:10am……Is there anything to the rumor, that plans are in the works, to make your 11:10 entry into a movie?
HAHA.
go braves

No hope for Braves

September 11th, 2012
3:18 pm

reckingball : untrue. I am not Charles, don’t know who he is. So the man got a little winded, big deal. Makes more sense than most people on this blog. I just think your jealous that you cannot express yourself that well. Usually I agree with that you have to say. There are some peoples posts that I skip right over, but I read yours. Our opinions differ on this one.

harry taylor

September 11th, 2012
4:04 pm

People that are critical of Charles apparently are jealous. It was a long post but quite true. Most of the time the truth hurts. If Charles takes that much time to post a comment, I’m quite sure it wasn’t a spur of the moment idea. Very well thought out and detailed. Congrats Charles for trying to educate some of these jerks. They will never listen to you, but hell you did your best…………

Mikey

September 11th, 2012
5:17 pm

Charles: Wow….”The achilles heal of the team is the starting pitching now and near term”???? You may be Verbose, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your stong opinions. Post all-star break I would venture to say that our starting “6″ has the best era in baseball….. and as for the future, leaving out Beachy, Sheets, Maholm, Delgado & Teheran as “unproven prospects” is a quite a stretch that most teams would envy.

LoboSlobbo

September 11th, 2012
5:19 pm

Duuuuh….youse guys are dumb

reckingball

September 11th, 2012
5:22 pm

No hope for Braves, and harry taylor……….First off, there is plenty of hope for the Braves.
If Charles can see into the future, he must be a billionare, after winning the Mega millions and Powerball every week. Which brings the question, why is a billionare wasting his time on a Braves blog?

Charles’es(i guess that is the right was to spell it/who cares) book is just a rehash of the some old crap, that is posted on these blogs everytime the Braves have a bad outing, just a longer version of it.
It is just about, total BS(as in bull hockey), as the Braves have a very bright future in the coming years.
The parts of it that are any where near factual, are things that anyone who follows the Braves, already know.
I could go over it, and take it apart bit by bit, if I wanted to waste a lot of time. But, I don’t.
go braves

reckingball

September 11th, 2012
5:30 pm

p.s. —-In many ways, looking at his book, it indicates that Charles doesn’t know what he is talking about. haha

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