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nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:10 am
Hi ward, bad game tonight. Frustrating when you see the same old pattern developing and realize that the outcome is likely not gonna be good
Ward
September 5th, 2012
2:16 am
nolie – You just wonder why the Braves can’t hit crappy pitching. It is frustrating, because it puts presure on the pitching. Hanson gave up 3 runs, but withg no hiitng it makes the pitching look terrible. It’s all on the offense.
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:16 am
I’m not saying you are wrong John, there very well might be a lot of folks up there who feel that way, but fans often feel things that are not necessarily based on actual facts. Every day we have folks posting things here that a quick look at a record or stat sheets proves to be wrong.
Like I said, I wasn’t there, but anyway I am not calling you a liar or any such
Ward
September 5th, 2012
2:19 am
They better wake up, or some thing could happen? It’s like seeing two different teams, or three teams. The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. Tonight was the Bad, and The Ugly.
John Leonard
September 5th, 2012
2:20 am
All this talk of Wren being a liar,hides the fact that the in crowd was wrong about meds as a starter,that sticky smelly stuff all over there faces is embarrassing.
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:25 am
I don’t think all of that crowd thought that way. and anyway if anybody had any idea that he would pitch like this, nobody would have thought. but NOBODY knew,. I thought he was more valuable in the pen considering the fact that we had so many starters. Had nothing to do with claiming that he would be a poor starter.
I have admitted a couple of times that it looks like I was wrong. If you have been following over the years you should know that I have admitted that any time I was really off about something
Ward
September 5th, 2012
2:27 am
It’s so important to spend money on a LF. Then you can move Prado to 3rd, and we will just have to see what Uggla does down the stretch, and next year? Wait until next year on Uggla. Can’t give up just yet on Uggla.
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:28 am
actually ward it is kinda amazing that their record is as good as it is considering the inconsistent play and the frustration they have caused, but we are still in the hunt
cowdogit
September 5th, 2012
2:28 am
Constanza, Bourn and Heyward in the same lineup puts stress on the pitcher. Braves win nearly ever game when these three are in the lineup. Constanza just won AAA hitting title, no reason not to play him.
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:29 am
whatever cowdogit
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:32 am
oops shoulda been a winky there…
whatever cowdogit
Ward
September 5th, 2012
2:32 am
noile, true, and we just have to be patient on Uggs, and Mac , even though I blasted his hitting do to the shift. Just trying to get Mac going. We are lucky to still be in it. How far is the question”?”, and can Simmons be our savior this year?
John Leonard
September 5th, 2012
2:34 am
I have no problem withm that,its just a difference of opinion.I’m a little older then you,and like you i’m up at all hours,and I see people getting jumped on by a certain group,sometimes its justified,but not always.For me to type this much causes great pain,but Brava getting picked tonight was to much,now this is to m,uch typing ,God be with you all,and remember,”The truth is only the truth,perception is reality”
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:34 am
hard to tell how Simmons will hit when he comes back, but it almost has to be better than .191, doesn’t it?
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:35 am
you are older than 67? You poor guy
Ward
September 5th, 2012
2:38 am
nolie – Simmons good speed, and the fire that he puts out into the field every game. If only the Braves can play with that high energy every game? Braves need to get thier fire back. Brave lack keeping that fire going every game. One game they have it, and the next game they play with their fire put out.
John Leonard
September 5th, 2012
2:39 am
5-23-42
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:40 am
hope so ward. I’m off, time for some shut eye.
Ward
September 5th, 2012
2:40 am
Right now the Braves should be playing to win, and they look like they are playing to survive. Big difference, no mojo going….
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:41 am
8-45. you win
nite
Ward
September 5th, 2012
2:46 am
nolie – Have a good! I’m going all the way with the Braves until the end , and next year will begin another season. Braves will get there. It just waiting……..Keep Hope All……., and Talk tomorow…… Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
cowdogit
September 5th, 2012
2:59 am
Nolie is an amateur complainer, Like Obama” to much bitching but no solutions.
Ward
September 5th, 2012
3:11 am
Back for a second – DOB didn’t Medlens’ bad outing in triple AAA hurt him a little bit, and made the Braves think about it too much, because they put him into the bullpen too. Also, wasn’t the Braves despereate to get a starter in after the failed pitching by J.J., and Delgado, and Hanson. Some of it might be true about stetching his arm, but I’m just wondering if the Braves were desperate for a pitcher at tha t time? Glad it worked out though…….Peace Out! “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Jerry Sandusky
September 5th, 2012
3:50 am
So Chipper Jones is calling out Braves fans to fill Turner Field?
Here’s a novel idea: How about Braves management putting a product on the field that will make fans want to spend their hard earned money on going to the ball park? This Braves team is a frustrating team to watch. What sane fan wants to spend $80 on a decent seat, while spending additional money on food and parking? What rational fan is down for watching out supposedly playoff team get shut out by a team with the worst ERA in the National League…while committing 3 errors.
Hanson pitched great tonight? I guess that laboring through 5 innings is considered “great”? Please.
Bottom line…..play with some passion and a sense of urgency. Show some consistency on the field…quit playing sub .500 ball against sub .500 teams.
However, I seriously doubt that the sportswriters will call out Chipper Jones on calling out Braves fans for not showing up to Turner Field to watch Tuesday night’s debacle.
Ward
September 5th, 2012
3:58 am
As you all know some times I come back on the blog. Braves are at 76 wins. Braves need to win 14, or 15 to get the Wild Card. Braves Have 25 games left. Magice nuber is 14 wins, or 15. Come Braves. Think 14 wins to go……..14 wins to go…….This time I’m done for the night. Let’s go Braves…………..Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Yes, and Peace Out!
Tom O'Hawke
September 5th, 2012
4:28 am
David O’Brien
I believe the poster @ 3:50 am, and several earlier, is the permanently banned, Paul Lentz.
Even if I’m wrong (which I seriously doubt), his choice of using the name of a serial child rapist should be more than enough to give his IP the, hasta la vista, a-hole!
Lee in S GA
September 5th, 2012
5:34 am
poor game last night…..really believe the Cards and Dodgers will nail down the 2 w.c. spots,,,,,
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
5:40 am
A poster with the name “Jerry Sandusky”… sounds like a
real classy individualcomplete idiotrichbrave
September 5th, 2012
6:11 am
“……Hanson (12-8) said he shouldn’t have given Pacheco a pitch to hit, but he said Gonzalez hit a good pitch.
“The 0-2 pitch needed to be buried,” Hanson said.
“The one to Gonzalez, not so much. He got me. He’s a good hitter and … that’s not one of those situations where I’m going to beat myself up over it.”
Hanson allowed two runs and five hits, including the two homers, in 5 2/3 innings. He has lost three straight starts.
Hanson left the game after he walked Tyler Colvin to load the bases with two outs in the sixth. Pacheco popped out to catcher David Ross on Peter Moylan’s first pitch.
Sloppy play by the Braves helped the Rockies add to their lead. The Braves, who began the night leading the NL in fielding, had three errors…..”
This says something to me. At this level the talent is fairly even. The team doesn’t throw three errors at MEDLEN’s effort when he pitches. Something’s going on in the clubhouse I think. The general attitude of the club appears much differennt when HANSON pitches, like people are holding their breath rather than being fired up and ready to play ball.
I don’t know squat of course. I’m just sitting here in the dark.
PETER MOYLAN is not the MOYLAN of four-five seasons ago. Not yet anyway. Not to me.
LUIS AVILAN is someone I never have had faith in since he came out of the DSL. I’m surprised and chagrin to see him with the big club. But, practice makes perfect I suppose.
I like the look of ‘Aussie’ ANDREW RUSSELL in GWINNETT. I don’t think he’s ready for ATLANTA just yet, but less than a season away. The book’s not really out on him just yet in LAWRENCEVILLE. He’s a RH reliefer who seems to be able to adjust as hitters do..
richbrave
September 5th, 2012
6:16 am
And a TOM O’HAWKE sighting.
That brightened my mood instantly.
Yo’ Tom O’. Music is where it’s happenin’ my man.
richbrave
September 5th, 2012
6:35 am
nolie
September 5th, 2012
2:35 am
“…….you are older than 67? You poor guy …..”
Hey, i resemble that remark.
richbrave
September 5th, 2012
6:40 am
I know the BRAVES malaise….they’re all waiting for CHIPPER to do it.
Jeff R
September 5th, 2012
7:04 am
Lost: The Braves’ offense. If found, please return to Turner Field.
Couch Tater
September 5th, 2012
7:12 am
16,686 in attendance, last night.
1st place Nats had 17,648 at home. Dang Cub fans.
..and they can’t even pronounce
SmarzijaSamarjdizaSamarjizaSamardzija.Couch Tater
September 5th, 2012
7:39 am
Ha! Ammo for the SABR members…
An inside look at scout school
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20030211&content_id=199087&fext=.jsp&c_id=null
George
September 5th, 2012
7:54 am
Still to HOT for Hanson.
Hanson & Durbin to Gwinnett.
AWESOME team.
Lew
September 5th, 2012
8:03 am
No, VJ does not make people look stupid – they do it all on their own. Constantly.
Lew
September 5th, 2012
8:05 am
And George – In case you weren’t aware, Hanson DID pitch pretty well last night and certainly much better than in recent outings. Kind of hard to win a game without your offense scoring runs.
But yeah, the pen sucked last night, too.
tiger297
September 5th, 2012
8:07 am
man a lot of idiot bitchin on the blog last night…at least it kept the whining about the team to a minimum
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
8:13 am
What a Trash Game Last Night, Its no wonder why only 11,000 people, if that showed up…
Gotta take the Rubber Match in this “Trap Series”
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
8:13 am
What a Trash Game Last Night, Its no wonder why only 11,000 people, if that showed up…
Gotta take the Rubber Match in this “Trap Series”
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
8:18 am
This offense worries the Holy Hell out of my Narrow Ass…They are reverting to their Sept 2011 form…
Can Someone please step up and Pull a 1999 version of Chipper Jones and carry this team for 2 weeks…
Every game from here on out is Huge!
Its Win or go play Golf
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
8:22 am
This offense worries the Holy Hell out of my Narrow Ass
Brava
September 5th, 2012
8:38 am
This says something to me. At this level the talent is fairly even. The team doesn’t throw three errors at MEDLEN’s effort when he pitches. Something’s going on in the clubhouse I think. The general attitude of the club appears much differennt when HANSON pitches, like people are holding
their breath rather than being fired up and ready to play ball.
I get that feeling, too, rich. It could be a perception, but you have to wonder how the mindset of a team is affected when they play behind someone as efficient, aggressive and athletic as Medlen versus someone like Hanson who seems to labor through every appearance. It’s no secret he’s awful at holding runners on and fielding the position, so I imagine the guys are on a razor’s edge out there. Still, he gave them a chance to win and they didn’t hold up their end of the bargain.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
8:43 am
This offense worries the Holy Hell out of my Narrow Ass…They are reverting to their Sept 2011 form…
I agree, T. I don’t know what the answer is, but something’s going to have to start clicking offensively or this team is going to repeat what happened last season. I really hope that doesn’t happen.
Lew
September 5th, 2012
8:43 am
Yep – That IS the bottom line – Hanson pitched well enough to win and at the very least gave them a chance to win -which is damned hard to do when you score no runs.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
8:45 am
Not even Greinke coulda won last night, not with this offense… but hey, we were “gifted” a win on Sunday, we “gave” it back to them last night. The hitters need to get on track, it’s a little concerning. Free Uggla!!! He had a good OPS in the last week of hitting before he got “benched”
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
8:49 am
Damn Brava
You got Killed on the Blog Last Night! OUCH!
Looks Like I need to return to the Ingame Blogging, So I can reclaim the status of the Blogger that everyone loves to btch about for their Ingame rants, lol….
Brava
September 5th, 2012
8:49 am
You know, TOBF, I agree. Put Uggla back out there and see what happens. Benching him obviously isn’t helping. Put the chips out there and let them fall where they fall.
MVPrado14
September 5th, 2012
8:50 am
Can’t see this team going better than 13-13 to finish things out and that will leave them at 89-73 and most likely out of the postseason
Brava
September 5th, 2012
8:51 am
Yeah, I got piled on, T, but what do you expect from that bunch? If you disagree with one, you face the wrath of all of them.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
8:52 am
Please do come back to ingame blogging, I miss your humor (well, at least when they’re winning).
Brava
September 5th, 2012
8:55 am
MVPrado14, that may be optimistic the way they are playing.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
9:01 am
Alright!
Its about time they play My Old Foreigner on 97.1
That old Foreigner Goes Hard!
MFin04
September 5th, 2012
9:02 am
Well I’m pretty sure we all called that game last night. Guess we just have to get used to losing Tommy Hanson’s starts until the Braves decide to stop pitching him.
Oh well, gotta win the next two and win the series.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:03 am
I saw Foreigner two years ago at Chastain, T. Great concert.
MVPrado14
September 5th, 2012
9:04 am
True, Brava, but I broke it down this way
2 vs Col (1-1)
6 vs NYM (4-2)
6 vs FLA (4-2)
3 vs Was (1-2)
3 vs Mil (1-2)
3 vs Pit (1-2)
3 vs Phi (1-2)
brian
September 5th, 2012
9:04 am
last night’s loss is not on Hanson. It is on the offense, or lack of it. No way should the Braves be shut out by those pitchers
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
September 5th, 2012
9:04 am
nolie Frustrating when you see the same old pattern developing and realize that the outcome is likely not gonna be good
Yeah—might as well have had Chipper’s mother pitching against us!…
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
9:05 am
@Brava
I seriously hope you didn’t waste your time last night and watch the whole game?
I turned it off after the fifth inning and started watching Hardcore Pawn
Why is it that when Big Red pitches a good game, The offense hits like shyt? And when Big Red Sucks, The offense wants to have a coming out party?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
9:06 am
Can’t see this team going better than 13-13 to finish things out and that will leave them at 89-73 and most likely out of the postseason
Geez…
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
9:08 am
brian
“last night’s loss is not on Hanson. It is on the offense, or lack of it. No way should the Braves be shut out by those pitchers”
Cosign!
Havent we been Shut out 12 times Now? Thats alarming! The offense is back in Sept 2011 Form…Thats why our pitchers weren’t going deep into games
I’m not a Fredi Basher, The Team especially the so-called leaders need to start taking accountability for this ####
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:08 am
Yeah, I could see that MVPrado14.
MVPrado14
September 5th, 2012
9:10 am
Wish I could see better, but the Braves have done little to inspire confidence the past few weeks.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
9:10 am
Michael Bourn has hit like #### the last month, it quickly killed the thoughts of him getting 200 hits
Do Not resign him, Let him Sell out to LA or SF
MFin04
September 5th, 2012
9:12 am
Mine as well start playing Uggla. If the ship is going down, let’s go down swinging for the fences.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
9:12 am
True, Brava, but I broke it down this way
2 vs Col (1-1)
6 vs NYM (4-2)
6 vs FLA (4-2)
3 vs Was (1-2)
3 vs Mil (1-2)
3 vs Pit (1-2)
3 vs Phi (1-2)
I think we could take the next 2 games, so I have that as 2-0. I’d put a 2-1 vs. the Nats (we’re at home, after all), 2-1 vs the Brewers (they sukk), 2-1 vs the Pirates (they have been falling off the pace), and 2-1 vs the Phillies, though your 1-2 is okay. I’m counting that as being 17-18 wins.
Of course, the offense will need to get it together at some point (Bourn needs to hit, *cough cough*) and we hope that the pitching keeps it up.
Dadgum.......
September 5th, 2012
9:13 am
So, the Braves got shutout by a very pedestrian lefty. Pedestrian is being kind. Oh well not going to beat that to death. I’m sure the late night crowd here took care of that.
I will say Hanson had a better outing, not great, better. Going 5+ innings at almost 100 pitches doesn’t indicate a great turnaround by any stretch but if we are going to constantly bash him we at least have to acknowledge when he shows improvement.
Congrats to Fredi on benching Uggla. Oh, and while I’m on the thought, yes indeed there was a shouting match regarding Uggla. Mentioned that on another post. Ok, last year Fredi would not have benched Uggla. This year is a not so patient Fredi. Uggla is better to come off the bench especially when/if McCann starts. Can’t have them both in the lineup to be certain. Fredi had to make the Uggla move as his job is seriously on the line. He won’t survive a 2nd collapse.
Speaking of collapse, it hasn’t reached Chernobyl proportions yet but the wild card lead is now 2 games over St. Louis. If the Braves don’t win the next two games they will have managed to lose at least two games to six straight opponents with a big road trip awaiting. Shut down the reactors. Quickly!
Rock on…..I’m still thinking the Braves will get the 2nd wild card but not as confident as I was a couple of weeks ago.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:13 am
Why is it that when Big Red pitches a good game, The offense hits like shyt? And when Big Red Sucks, The offense wants to have a coming out party?
Ain’t this the truth. Mind-boggling.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:17 am
I hope they can re-sign Bourn, myself, T. Yeah, he’s faded in the second half, but he’s a little guy and is probably physically exhausted. I doubt we’d be in contention for one of the WC slots without his contributions this season.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
9:18 am
Michael Bourn has hit like #### the last month, it quickly killed the thoughts of him getting 200 hits
Do Not resign him
Only because he has struggled lately you don’t want him back? I’d love to have him back, but I believe that his price will be much too high.
Michael Bourn has hit .235/.332/.332/.663 since the ASG (13 SB, 3 CS). 50 Games, 46 Hits, 28 Runs, 5 Doubles, 4 Triples, and 2 HR. 26 BB vs. 57 Ks.
And we’ve been fine without him… we have a better Winning % in the 2nd half of the season than we had in the 1st half. Michael Bourn isn’t as necessary as some would like to believe.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
9:19 am
MVPrado14
September 5th, 2012
9:10 am
Wish I could see better, but the Braves have done little to inspire confidence the past few weeks.”
Co-Sign
They are lifeless…If they fall behind early tonight, I’m Turning it to the Cowturds Game, So Glad the NFL is back
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
9:21 am
@TOBF
“Only because he has struggled lately you don’t want him back? I’d love to have him back, but I believe that his price will be much too high.”
Agreed, I just don’t want the Albatross of a contract if he gets hurt and turns into Kenny Lofton part 2
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
9:22 am
I will say Hanson had a better outing, not great, better…..if we are going to constantly bash him we at least have to acknowledge when he shows improvement.
Indeed… he was good last night. First time in a while. Now he needs to repeat that through the end of the year, and the playoffs… convince someone to trade for him, despite how bad he was otherwise. If we can clear him next year and get a decent prospect in return, I’ll be quite happy. And very very surprised.
MFin04
September 5th, 2012
9:22 am
“last night’s loss is not on Hanson. It is on the offense, or lack of it”
Disagree. It is on Hanson. The Braves were bound to struggle against a lefty for 3 innings and the a lefty lineup vs a righty for the next however many innings.
But the way Tommy Hanson pitches and has pitched gives the offense little or no hope that they can win the game. Not to mention he lulls them to sleep with his ridiculously long innings.
Tommy has to find a way to keep the ball in the park. His stupid curveball that gives up at least 2 homers a game is just too easy for some guys to sit on and crush.
MFin04
September 5th, 2012
9:26 am
“Indeed… he was good last night.”
He really wasn’t that good last night. 5 2/3 with 2 earned runs given up. And if he was left in as usual he would have given up at least 4 runs, maybe 5. The guy always falls apart in his last inning pitched. Which then caused the team to have to throw a bunch of crappy reliever for a few innings which put the game out of reach. That is all on Tommy for not being able to go deep into games.
I mean he should be making it into the 8th inning if his only two runs came on solo shots, no reason for huge pitch counts.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 5th, 2012
9:27 am
Brava
“I hope they can re-sign Bourn, myself, T. Yeah, he’s faded in the second half, but he’s a little guy and is probably physically exhausted. I doubt we’d be in contention for one of the WC slots without his contributions this season.”
I Cant use the tired excuse for Bourn, A. Jones Played every inning of every game in 2001 during our last big pennant race to win the Division….
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:28 am
Agreed, I just don’t want the Albatross of a contract if he gets hurt and turns into Kenny Lofton part 2
That’s always a gamble with multi-year contracts. I doubt they’ll be able to re-sign Bourn, anyway. Boras will get the most he can for him and it won’t be from Atlanta. The only way he stays is if he personally wants to and takes less money than he could get elsewhere.
raleighbravefan
September 5th, 2012
9:28 am
Brava – Sorry if I overreacted last night…not my intention. I often may disagree with you, but certainly have nothing personal against you. I believe in differences of opinion and healthy debate.
As far as getting jumped on by [a certain] crowd…I just think like minded people were disagreeing with you…probably too harshly. But, it’s no different than when the haters react in lockstep. Part of the blog dynamics.
The problem I had, is that I feel it is a pretty serious thing to call someone a liar. I know you are convenced that you are right, and that you have “proof”. From what I could see, however, was that Wren, like all of us, was very ‘irritated” at the collapse, and probably said some pretty harsh things in the heat of the moment. I do believe, upon reflection, that he proceeded as best he could during the Winter and ST, to put the best team on the field. If his actions during ST don’t match his voiced desires right after we missed the playoffs…well, I don’t consider that a lie. Difference of opinion here, and I appologize for any overreaction (heat of the moment, you know). I hope we are good.
Dadgum.......
September 5th, 2012
9:31 am
I remember not too many years ago we all clamored for a true lead off hitter with speed. Now we have one in Bourn who plays a sensational CF and, oh yeah, just happens to lead MLB in stolen bases over the last few years. Say what you want but I think the Braves need to resign him without question. Very possible they will get outbid by the big money markets but saying we don’t need him is just insane.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:31 am
Andruw is a bigger guy than Michael, T. Not trying to make excuses, but smaller guys tend to have less stamina in the long term. At least that’s my experience from the Army.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:34 am
Apology accepted, raleigh. We can agree to disagree on Frank. We’re good.
monty
September 5th, 2012
9:35 am
Braves barrelled up some balls last nite and everyone of them got hit right at someone. Way it goes sometimes. What I didn’t like was every guy they threw at us shut us down.
At some point we have to figure out how to beat lefties, because we’re sure going to face one in a 1 game playoff. Hanson gave us a quality start but the team seems to not play well when he pitches of late or else it’s my imagination.
brian
September 5th, 2012
9:35 am
if Bourn’s price and length of contract is what people here were thinking $18 million/year for 6-7 years, the BRaves need to look at other options such as Pagan or Victorinno who could likely be signed for 1/2-2/3 the money and 1/2 the duration.
Although no salary cap for MLB, the Braves are on a salary cap and must make the pieces fit. Bourn has reminded the Braves how important it is to have a great defensive CF and speed at the top of the lineup so if the Braves go another way, it has to be a solid option
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
9:36 am
smaller guys tend to have less stamina in the long term.
Which is exactly why we shouldn’t sign Bourn to a 4-6 yr deal for more than 12mil/yr…… he’ll be toast by year 3-4.
Lew
September 5th, 2012
9:36 am
MFin04 – Sorry Dude, but that 9:22 post is pretty much FOS.
raleighbravefan
September 5th, 2012
9:36 am
I have no idea what moves would actually fit our budget for next year. I suspect We would have more $$$ if we have some home playoff games, and if attendance picks up. Otherwise, you can’t really blame LM for no increases.
Re-sign Bourn? Great. Greinke? Bring him on. Same for Shields. I’m for whatever we can do to improve this team….but not if we burden ourselves with the yoke of a contract that is too long, and too expensive for the payroll constraints. I trust Wren to spend whatever $$$ he does have in a way that, at least on paper, is the best we can do. You cannot ever predict injuries or underperformance.
MFin04
September 5th, 2012
9:37 am
“I remember not too many years ago we all clamored for a true lead off hitter with speed. Now we have one in Bourn who plays a sensational CF and, oh yeah, just happens to lead MLB in stolen bases over the last few years.”
Yep. I think people don’t know what they have until it is gone. Michael Bourn has single-handedly won games for the Braves this year with his speed on the basepaths and in CF.
When singles, doubles, and triples start falling in CF like they did with McLouth and Schafer out there, and the team stops scoring on sac flys to 2nd baseman and we get shutout more often everyone will truly miss Michael Bourn.
raleighbravefan
September 5th, 2012
9:38 am
Thanks, Brava. (We never have to agree, but no reason to be disagreeable. Easy to react when you feel you’ve been attacked).
monty
September 5th, 2012
9:40 am
Only way the game is on Hanson is if you think he should of hit a 2 run HR to tie the game and failed.
Dadgum.......
September 5th, 2012
9:42 am
To be honest with you I would rather pony up and pay Bourn and jettison Uggla and his contract than keep Uggla and lose Bourn. Wren is going to have some tough work this off season and McCann to follow.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
9:43 am
Bourjos has speed and plays great defense…. Jon Jay can hit and plays good defense as well (not as great as Bourn though). He also has a little speed. Jay’s OBP, SLG, and OPS are all higher than Bourn’s
Jay has been better than Bourn offensively the last 2 years…. be “cheaper” to get (if the Cards will trade him)
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:43 am
I trust Wren to spend whatever $$$ he does have in a way that, at least on paper, is the best we can do.
I do too. I may doubt his honesty, at times, but not his savvy as a GM. He’s good at getting value for his limited bucks.
monty
September 5th, 2012
9:44 am
Smaller guys can’t hang? Nobody told Willie Mays and Hank Aaron that and both of them would be considered “smaller types” by todays standards. Under 6 feet and less than 190. Medlen is 5′10 and 190 and folks consider him a midget.
MFin04
September 5th, 2012
9:45 am
“Only way the game is on Hanson is if…”
Is that he gave up 2 homers and threw 96 pitches in 5 2/3 innings and left the game without a lead. He should be thanking his lucky stars the bullpen saved his butt from having a 4 or 5 earned run game. Guy was fortunate to escape with the line he did.
As for the offense. What did everyone expect against a lefty with an ERA through the roof? And as soon as the Braves started to make adjustments they switched to a righty. Quite brilliant considering we had a lineup that was strongly suited for a lefty.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:45 am
(We never have to agree, but no reason to be disagreeable. Easy to react when you feel you’ve been attacked).
We can certainly agree on this.
MFin04
September 5th, 2012
9:48 am
The biggest problem with this lineup is that are 3 and 4 hitters (or 4 and 5 hitters) for this year are both hitting like 8 and 9 hitters. That is quite unfortunate.
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:49 am
Smaller guys can’t hang?
No, I wasn’t implying that, at all. It’s just that smaller guys tend to wear down faster than larger ones over prolonged periods of physical stress. Is that an absolute? No, but it’s something I observed frequently with guys in the Army.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 5th, 2012
9:50 am
Jon Jay last 2 years: 251 games .304/.366/.422/.788 118 OPS+, 59 BB 132 K
Bourn last 2 years: 293 games .289/.351/.396/.747 104 OPS+, 112 BB, 271 K
Brava
September 5th, 2012
9:50 am
Actually, guys and gals, the same held true for both.