10:30 pm September 4, 2012, by David O'Brien
September 4th, 201210:32 pm
Christ these guys suck in scoring runs
You’re fast DOB… it wasn’t a great game tonight, but we’ll get ‘em tomorrow.
September 4th, 201210:35 pm
If this keeps up Uggla will be back in there
MD Braves fan
September 4th, 201210:40 pm
September 4th, 201210:42 pm
Highs and lows, no in-between
September 4th, 201210:43 pm
With McCann and Uggla out,who do you experts blame now?
September 4th, 201210:45 pm
They only needed the first run to beat us! The other five just made us look worse!
September 4th, 201210:49 pm
Terrible fielding; terrible baserunning; terrible relief pitching; and Hanson gives up 2 long balls. Not much chance to win tonight.
This is really hard on an old guy with high blood pressure!!
What about tomorrow? How ’bout 8AM batting practice?
September 4th, 201210:52 pm
what is going on with Freeman….looks like he needs a day off
Outright awful game. What more can be said? Does anybody else sense something wrong in the clubhouse ? The players are playing so tight. Why can’t they just be consistent? Washington is on a roll and the Braves are playing senseless baseball when they need to stay focused.
September 4th, 201210:53 pm
Can’t anybody here play this game?
September 4th, 201211:05 pm
Say what you want, this team is done. I don’t have an answer but I believe this is a better team for the short term without Uggla or McCann in the lineup. We don’t have a credible answer to a pitcher we’ve never seen before so once again we struggle at the plate, how are we to respond to this same scenario in the post-season? gonzalez isn’t the coach we all thought he was, and this team needs Chipper worse next year than this one.
too many questions for a long post-season run.
This team is weak. So much for momentum, Once Chipper’s gone, there are ZERO true star players left. McCann is deteriorating, Freeman is way too streaky, Heyward is inconsistent, and Uggla never was that good. Our pitching, which was supposed to be a key, is mediocre at best. I fully expect this team to repeat last year’s choke of the Wild Card lead. I can’t believe a guy like Colorado starter Pomeranz could shut out this lineup. He threw a straight-as-a-string fastball right over the plate, and guys were swinging through it or rolling it over. The 2012 Braves are just not good hitters, period. And what’s with Hanson floating breaking balls to guys with 2 strikes? The difference in the two teams tonight was that their lineup hit balls hard that caught the plate, which was often. Our lineup couldn’t hit the broad side of a beach ball. Lame.
The “real” Braves showed back up tonight. They just don’t stay inspired for very long. Total lack of consistency. Wonder if CJ will chastise the fans not showing up tonight(only about 16K)? If they had they would have thrown away their money.
September 4th, 201211:06 pm
The Rockies are (56-78) 22 games below 500… Wow talk bout a game the Braves should win….. This ain’t gonna end well !!
September 4th, 201211:20 pm
People The Braves problem is when they fall behind they show no enthusiasm thus have a hard time coming back. Fredi needs to show more confidence in his face and not so much as if the sky is falling. His blank stare causes the team to tighten up and not perform. Just my opionon what do you all think.
September 4th, 201211:26 pm
Agree. This team plays very tight and they can’t come from behind every night. I also think their conditioning coach should be changed because they seem so fatigued at this time of year, same as last year. Whatever their Setember routine is they need to change it.
September 4th, 201211:27 pm
Lawd have mercy, these Braves shore do suck!
September 4th, 201211:30 pm
The Cox/Schuerholz mentality still rules this franchise. No heart. Fredi is a Cox disciple. Until Fredi, Chipper (was raised under Cox), and Schuerholz leave nothing will change.
Paul In Richmond
September 4th, 201211:34 pm
We have been riding pitching for years. Trouble is Braves teams don’t score enough runs consistently.
First we blamed TP. Then we got a new hitting coach. Then a new manager. Then two hitting coaches. We talked with Jones, his father and gawd knows who else. But championship teams score runs. (Check out the Nationals). And this team does not.
September 4th, 201211:36 pm
I think if Fredi is fired that the organization should look at hiring Terry Pendleton. Terry came up through the Cardinals organization under Herzog, who was a tough nut. There would be no mentality that tomorrow is another day, just as long we win the series. Terry philosophy would be you play the game every day to win with no execuses. Any comment.
September 4th, 201211:37 pm
These bed-wettin’ sissies couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag! However, I do finally give Fredi some credit for getting Uggla out of there and replacing him with Reed Johnson. Uggla is completely a lost cause to this team – now and forever. Thank God we didn’t trade Prado during the offseason as was strongly considered. If we don’t mqke the playioffs – it won’t be Chippa’s fault. Now Uggla and Brian ‘boyscout’ McCann – ok they may be the straws that broke the camel”s back!
September 4th, 201211:39 pm
Terry Pendleton’s as lazy as the day is long – don’t fall into that rat trap!!
September 4th, 201211:43 pm
Tree Rollins don’t you think TP would kick some butt if given authority.
September 4th, 201211:46 pm
Vote for Uggla for President in 2012! He’s expensive, rather dumb, and totally ineffective. In fact, I give him a slight edge over Obama!
September 4th, 201211:50 pm
TP does have some fire in him compared to Fredi – I just don’t think he’s built for the long haul. A couple of tantrums in the clubhouse and then what have you got? It’s not like football where you play the Singletary card.
September 4th, 201211:54 pm
Dan Uggla is crying cause he got benched. He needs to be crying because he is literally (and the stats back me up) the worst hitter in baseball. I would rather see Tim Hudson coming to the plate than Uggla. He swings at balls and takes strikes. At least last year he would hit about 1 home run a week amid all the strike outs and pop-ups. He literally cannot hit….period…so, stop crying and just keep stealing that money you take to the bank from the braves. You have the distinction of being the worst hitter I have seen in over forty years of watching baseball. Mario Mendosa didn’t have a thing on you Dan.
We Will Get Fooled Again
September 4th, 201211:57 pm
If not for Medlen coming in and pitching like Sandy Koufax this team would be in real trouble. It seems like he’s won about half our games over the last three weeks.
We may be in trouble anyway. The bats are pulling their typical late-season disappearing act. Suckla and McBurger have really torpedoed this team’s potential.
September 5th, 201212:04 am
Man, if I were a rookie pitcher making my debut or a pitcher that was struggling for the last month of my starts, I would want to pitch against the Braves. I know I would have Cy Young stuff against them in that situation. Hope I’m wrong. Looks like the slide is coming. They are painful to watch right now on offense. Hanson pitched a good game. Hard to win when you score no runs.
September 5th, 201212:25 am
I’m not a Hanson fan, but he deserved better than this. For some reason this team plays like a very young team, not one with several veterans among the starters. Win six in a row, lose five. Win eight, lose six. All season long it’s been this way, the bats catch fire for stretches and then go in the tank for almost as long. Schizophrenic team if I’ve ever seen one. And while I’m at it, Uggla, even though I admire his constant hustle, has absolutely NO reason to believe he should be on the field. He’s had more than ample chances to snap out of it. Dude just can’t hit.
September 5th, 201212:27 am
If I were managing a team about to play the Braves, I’d call up every minor league pitcher I had to face ‘em. This team has never been able to hit a young pitcher making his debut, no matter how wretched he is.
September 5th, 201212:29 am
Are you kidding me??…..TP as the Braves manager….hell, alot of this crowd was pizzed because Fredi kept him on as 1st base coach. This crowd wouldn’t want former Braves, Cito Gaston (2 WS), Dusty Baker(NL champ) or Dave Johnson (this year manager of the yr). Dave’s negative is he once managed the Mets.
Liberty Media owns this mediocre team, mediocre front office, mediocre management, and mediocre players. Sorry Chipper- wish we could have done better by you on your way out. You deserved better.
DOB Lobs Softball Questions
September 5th, 201212:30 am
Folks, you have to tip your cap to the Bravos for trying to be like their arch rivals…the YANKS! Two feast of famine teams both in the way they build their teams and in payroll. But you also have to just Tip the Old Capper to Hudson for just making sure that he punches his ticket to LA where he will get that 5yr 150 million dollar contract once he turns down the Braves offer of a Whataburger, Fries and a million bux for 3 years.
To the end game, I say TIP OF THE CAP! Atta boy, Tommy!
September 5th, 201212:33 am
September 5th, 201212:38 am
Another loss to the last place club in that division. I can see the wild card slot slowly slipping away like last year.
September 5th, 201212:41 am
No single Atlanta professional sports team has an owner who wants to win- they have owners (YANKS) who want to make money- yes, that includes Falcons owner Blank- whom the media thinks is the best owner of a football team- a former lumber salesman- got his money from ??? and is now a great owner? Just be real my fellow Georgians.
September 5th, 201212:44 am
MLB likes major markets who spend money- NY, Boston, LA- Atlanta will never have a chance. Baseball is going to find itself with fewer fans and no where to turn, unless you live in the three aforementioned towns.
September 5th, 201212:48 am
I’m out here in the west and I can’t tell you how much it sickens me to watch teams like the Giants and Dodgers rise to the occasion as they fight for the playoffs. The Cardinals also relish the challenge and again are playing great ball down the stretch. Our guys? Well the stats over the past month speak for themselves.
September 5th, 201212:59 am
The only time the Braves rise to the occasion is to cash their pay check.
September 5th, 20121:02 am
Slip slidin’ away, slip slidin’ away , we will be in last before you know it , slip slidin’ away. PITIFUL and they call themselves professional ballplayers.They have no heart!!!!
September 5th, 20121:15 am
fredi is just a bad manager.he don’t know how to make out a lineup,he don’t know when to change pitchers,he don’t bunt runners along to scoring position and he evidently can’t motivate players. frank w gets all these players other teams let go when we have better players in the minor leagues.bautista,overbay,baker on the roster,these are all rejects.we have meja gartrell,a gearing who could help the team at gwinnett.i feel like we have a yard sale team sometimes.
September 5th, 20121:42 am
But you also have to just Tip the Old Capper to Hudson for just making sure that he punches his ticket to LA where he will get that 5yr 150 million dollar contract once he turns down the Braves offer of a Whataburger, Fries and a million bux for 3 year — DOB lobs softball questions
Chief, take a deep breath.
September 5th, 20121:55 am
“With McCann and Uggla out,who do you experts blame now?”
What did I win?
September 5th, 20122:17 am
What DOB forgets to tell everyone is that the Braves are 8 back in the loss column…..betcha if the Braves had been up 7 1/2 games, he’d say the Braves were up 8 in the loss column. It is called being a “homer”..the radio/tv guys (who the Braves pay) do the same thing. And you never hear or read anything about magic numbers either, by the way, its 20 (any combination of Nat wins and Brave losses). I can understand some of the homer stuff but you are supposed to be a journalist not a cheerleader. Listening to the radio/tv guys you’d think the Braves clinched a playoff spot a long time ago….when they talk about the wild card they only talk about the teams chasing the Cardinals for the 2nd spot, they act like the Braves are just waiting to see who they will face. The arrogance that has pervaded the Braves announcers since the early 2000’s after winning all those divisions is just despicable. It almost makes you want to see them get beat just to show up the talking heads. While the Sunday win over the Phillies was dramatic and huge, it was simply one game, albeit one they badly needed and the first one against Colorado was just as big because of the Nats winning and some of the wild card contenders winning. Now a loss, a shutout and the overall trend of this team is still downward. Playoff teams don’t look like little leaguers against teams like Colorado. You’re supposed to beat them. Losing 2 of 3 to the lowly Phillies (nearly swept) is not good either.
September 5th, 20122:46 am
My Dad always said the time to get ticked off about missing the bus is when you miss the bus. OK, so maybe Dad wasn’t the brightest bulb on the chandelier, but the point is that if and when we miss the playoffs there will be plenty of time for all you limp D’s to shoot your fat mouths off about how you said it was going to happen 5 pitches into game one.
Meanwhile, the rest of us adults are going to enjoy a hard working team that’s fought through injuries (anybody remember Beach? Simmons?) and squat for payroll and still managed to hang on to the top spot in the wild card race.
September 5th, 20123:05 am
6-11 last 17 games 7 and half games back, hitting .220 over the period, currently.
We are weak up the middle, and have not 1 regular star.
Now, what are we doing in here talking about it, other than to discuss these specific items ?
September 5th, 20123:06 am
Braves blow chunks. They couldnt hit a ball of a T, except for Chipper, who will be gone next year, then the braves really will be the worst team in baseball, this year their just lucky there are quite a few teams that blow worse then them!!!!!!!!!!!1. Strikeout kings thru out the lineup if your name isnt Jones or Prado.
September 5th, 20123:34 am
Honestly, why would the Braves show enthusiasm and confidence when they fall behind? Gonzalez’s strategy of giving up on the game and pitching the revolving door that comprises the bottom half of the bullpen whenever they trail seems to announce to the team that they can’t win and they’re saving the ‘real’ relievers for tomorrow. Why would the Braves feel like they can come back and bear down when that’s the case?
September 5th, 20123:38 am
Thomas – are you serious? If this is a reasonable discussion about the Braves’ latest slump – Pearl Harbor was a friendly peck on the cheek: “Suckla and McBurger have really torpedoed this team’s potential” – - “These bed-wettin’ sissies couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag” – - “Say what you want, this team is done”.
I don’t expect to see a bunch of cheerleaders here – heck, I blasted the Braves myself for the stupid Uggla/Infante deal. But it seems like after every loss you see the same brainless hissy fits – and pretty much zero recognition for how Atlanta has patched together a playoff contender on a sub-standard payroll – or that these presumably crap ballplayers are the ones who got us into contention in the first place.
And by the way, the miracle Cards with their big time .275 TBA are 8 1/2 behind a lesser team than the Nats. Cards’ payroll: 110 mil. – - Braves’: 83 mil. Maybe if some of these deadbeats would quit complaining and go watch the games we could afford a few of those regular stars.
September 5th, 20123:46 am
“Maybe if some of these deadbeats would quit complaining and go watch the games we could afford a few of those regular stars.”
You know it’s not that simple, right? You can’t just whine that people need to pay insane prices to watch in person or else they’re ‘deadbeats’. That’s utterly asinine, especially given that times are tough for a lot of people, and attending games will cost a whole lot of money for the average fan. But hey, maybe you’re rich and accuse those of us who only make 1-3 per year (or less) of being ‘deadbeats’ out of ignorance and disconnection. I hope that’s it.
Other than that final sentence, I agree with your comment 100%.
September 5th, 20125:10 am
And while these losses keep piling up fredi has the nerve to
criticize the way the Nats have handled Strasburg. Are you kidding us, taco head?
September 5th, 20125:32 am
Let’s keep running Janish out there. I can’t believe that he is playing everyday. I saw him hit a ball as hard as he could the other day and it didn’t even make it to the warning track. I’m a Braves fan so I don’t like to be critical but you would think that the need to score runs would outweigh the need for defense currently.
September 5th, 20125:36 am
What comes first the chicken or the egg? How about the Braves sign those high priced superstars first and then I will go to the park.
September 5th, 20126:20 am
Prado looks good at second and we didn’t have to watch Uggla strike out at the plate. Its crunch time and Braves need to get motivated.
September 5th, 20126:26 am
One good thing about the Braves falling apart again means: no Speedy w/beans Gonzalez or his birdbrain boss Wren next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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September 5th, 20126:32 am
Uggla should not be crying in his milk. How much has he stolen in pay for this year? The yearly pay for players with large contract should be based on current year performances. If they reach their contract goal each year then they get full pay. But in Uggla case he should only get about 10 percent of his salary because of his lack of performance this year.
September 5th, 20126:47 am
Heyward is doing just fine, a great fielder and he’s still hitting well. This year is a great come back from last season and I’m happy to see him playing good. Its almost like 2011 didn’t happen and the Heyward of 2010 is continuing his success in 2012. He’s a rare 5-tool player, usually a guy who is hyped up pretty good has 2,3 solid tools and so so additional tools. Heyward is the real deal, the kinda guy who comes along every once in a great while.
He’ll get back on track, just a slow couple days for him nothing to get worried about. He quietly got 2 hits tonight, 1 last night. He’s doing more than half our other guys thats for sure. Chipper, Freeman, Prado, Heyward, all our good guys can’t win us every game but they win us a lot.
September 5th, 20126:54 am
EVERYBODY IS ON UGGLA .WHY IS JANISH PLAYING WITH A .190 BATTING AVG…. ???WE NEED SOME OFFENCE………..
September 5th, 20127:25 am
I agree with sportsbrain. The fact that this team is even competitive with its major payroll limitations is a miracle. To be playing games in September that matter is amazing. After all, this is an entertainment business and if the product can keep bringing people in for stretch runs then it has been successful. The owners of this team don’t care about winning you a championship. Heck, if only 16k people show up they can do that kind of business with a 40M$ payroll. How do all you ungrateful bystanders feel about watching Chipper and his salary retire and the “freed” money goes in LIberty Medias pocket? Welcome to Kansas City Baseball, sad and irrelevant, but do they out draw the Braves?
September 5th, 20127:37 am
Hey Frank, the whole team is offensive. Stick a fork in em, they’re done. No wildcard this year. Doesn’t matter anyway, they would only lose the play off game for the real wildcard spot.
September 5th, 20127:38 am
Uggla says Fredi didn’t really give him an explanation for benching him. A pretty good analogy could be: “Look, it’s like this. The ship is sinking and you are like the water coming in. I’m bailing like hell trying to keep the ship afloat. Got that?”
September 5th, 20127:39 am
Last night’s game is reason enough for poor attendance. This team sucks and the fans know it. Those fans who complain about poor attendance vote for Obama and voted for Hope & Change.
September 5th, 20127:54 am
Things cannot or will not change, to a large degree, until Liberty sells the team. That won’t happen until the Braves are no longer a money maker. Right now, they still make them a lot of money per year. Liberty is all about making money, not about building a championship team. The fans who buy tickets have to realize they are subsidizing this whole thing. If Liberty makes 100 mil a year profit while spending 83 mil on payroll, that’s a great deal for them. For those who are going to the games, Liberty thanks you from the bottom of their wallets. How many of you would increase the payroll of the team if you were making a sizable profit where it is now? Liberty has no reason to increase the teams payroll. Yep, you guys go right ahead and keep paying for parking, concessions, and tickets. Me? I’m going to keep my money and sit back and laugh as I read all of your complaints.
September 5th, 20127:57 am
Just keep Simmons on the shelf and get him ready for next season. I’d be curious to know who the Braves have in mind to cover third next year once Chipper retires. It’s time to start thinking about the moves that can be made in the off-season to get this club ready for 2013. The gas tank has ran low on the current club, there’s no spark in this team at all. The same problem occurred again last night with not being able to score with runners in scoring position. Rarely do you see clutch hitting from this team. Other than Medlen pitching like a potential Cy Young Award winner, our pitching staff has really gone into the crapper as well. Zero consistency from this ball club.
September 5th, 20128:03 am
No Home Runs No Wins. That’s how it’s always been for the Braves.
SHUT THE FRONT DOOR
September 5th, 20128:13 am
Here come the Cards and the Dodgers…..any takers that we miss the playoffs?
September 5th, 20128:25 am
SHUT THE FRONT DOOR, you know the Cards have the same record (5-5) as the Braves in their last ten games? And the Dodgers are 4-6. None of the three teams are really clicking right now.
September 5th, 20128:31 am
As I said before, quit watching these losers. Focus on college football and the NFL. You can’t spell BraveS without BS.
September 5th, 20128:33 am
Janish was a great fill in defensively and was not expected to hit because he never has. His true value is the low era he helped the Braves pitchers achieve. Simmons will be back this weekend and the extra bat they need will return. Uggla on the other hand will be on the bench & Prado will be playing second because Ugla’s batting average is 90 points lower.
September 5th, 20128:53 am
The ONLY reason I will go to any more games this year is so I can watch my favorite player ever while I still can.
September 5th, 20128:58 am
If we could only have Cox back he’d fire up the team by getting tossed and the TV/Radio nitwits would act impressed.
September 5th, 20128:59 am
Hey Chipper when you and the Braves start winning games the fans will come out to watch again .Right now it look like deja vue 2011. Gonzo should be fired as manager after another season collapse .
September 5th, 20129:00 am
Chip Karay said Hanson pitched a good game – really? Giving up home runs when the counts were 0-2 and 1-2? Hanson shows his pitches and lets everyone steal bases on him. Then you have Uggla who feels he’s still a threat because he walks a lot. If he was paid based on performance, he’d be on Medicaid.
September 5th, 20129:05 am
I must admit I’m not feeling confident about 2012. Starting to smell like 2011. Uggla benched/not producing, Hanson pitching poorly(IMHO), etc. It’s just not clicking except for the old man. He is unbelievable. The LA series will most likely be the series that ends the misery.
Lt Col Razorback
September 5th, 20129:10 am
“Hanson (12-8)” and “In his past 10 starts, he’s 3-4 with a 5.76 ERA” says it all! Any starting pitcher who has only won 60% of the games has a terrible record! And a 5/76 ERA is an embarrassment, not something to be proud about. What I don’t understand is why pitchers get ahead of the batter with a 0-2 count and then start trying to nibble at the corners of home plate. It seems inevitable to me that when they do, the count suddenly goes to 3-2 and the next thing you know, the hitter is gingerly walking down the first base line to 1st base. I believe that when the count is 0-2 that’s the time the pitcher should go for the juggler and strike that sucker OUT!! These professional baseball pitchers earn huge bucks for only two reasons….to get hitters out and to win baseball games! But to lose to a rookie pitcher who’s record is 0-5 with an ERA of 7.04 is nothing to crow about.. it is an embarrassment for the whole Braves team!
On the other hand, what I also don’t understand why all Braves batters only seem to want to play only “long ball”. A simple single base hit that moves the base runner from 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, or 3rd to home is substantially more productive than swinging for a homer but ending up with a fly-out and 1 or 2 base runners stranded with no chance to score runs! In other words, the “KISS” principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid) applies to baseball just as much as it applies to writing, speaking, business, or any other successful endeavor.
Train Wreck Bystander
You have to hope Uggs spends the winter working out his plate approach. We do need him to provide the offense as well as the defense. Like him or not, he’s ours for the foreseeable future.
I believe he’ll eventually come around.
Prado at second next year? Then who’s on third? HEY ABBOTT!!!
September 5th, 20129:20 am
Wow! All u blogers that are putting down the braves are LOSERS! Can yall all see? or are yallall blind?? The braves have the 3rd or 4th best record in the NATIONAL LEAGUE!!!!! OUT OF 30 TEAMS!!! AS soon as the braves lose a game or a series yall trash talk the braves. True braves fans sopport there team through the good times and bad and go to the game and spend a lil money. You people DISGUST me with all ur negative coments. U are not True BRAVES fans. For the ones that are BRAVES FANS keep on supporting them. Good or Bad u never turn ur back on ur team. Thats BASEBALL.
September 5th, 20129:24 am
And the choke of 2012 continues. Braves do not make the playoffs.
Semper Fi Braves Fan
September 5th, 20129:39 am
Braves had runners in scoring possition 7 times.
P Janish 0-2, T Hanson 0-2
Hansons got 1 hit all year, send him to the AL where its ok to have a 5+ era and .000 BA. The problem with Janish will fix its self this weekend when Simmons returns.
September 5th, 20129:43 am
The braves have the 3rd or 4th best record in the NATIONAL LEAGUE!!!!! OUT OF 30 TEAMS!!!
Didn’t realize there were 30 teams in the National League.
September 5th, 20129:45 am
Bad team, bad manager. Old 3B on way out, not playing often but popping off a lot and giving advice to to the guys out playing every day. Don’t look for this team in play-offs..if they somehow back in and get to play the one wild card game, I’m pretty sure they get shut out in that one.
I think that is about time for the Braves to go on a winning streak.
September 5th, 20129:48 am
Uggla will not come out of slump gathering splinters.
September 5th, 201210:14 am
I might have over exarerated bout the national league having 30 teams. My bad. What is it? 15- 18 teams. STill not to bad out of those many teams. Especially with the attenance being some of the lowest in the league. We need a winning streak. With simmons coming back this wkend, that may be all we need to get past those nats coming up next wkend. Gotta love our chances.
September 5th, 201210:19 am
All of you whining about the team are hilarious. First it’s the cheap owners: We oonly have a payroll of $85M – boo hoo” Well, the Nationals who are set to be a major force from this season on, have a team payroll of $75M !! Ten fewer million. Please explain. (I’ll help: They developed a LOT of their own players in the minors, and could STILL afford to give $100M-plus deals to Werth and R. Zimmerman, along with $11M to Edwin Jackson, and $50M to Gio Gonzalez on his long-term deal.
The Nats did it the hard way, through player development, gutting the entire minor league system, which had been run into obsolescence when MLB owned them in preparation to sell to new ownership. They brought in top scouts, player development guys, rising stars in their field, and put them to work overhauling the entire organization.
The icing on the cake was when the manager last year, Jim Riggleman, decided to demand a big contract just as the team had won 12 straight games. he got himself canned, and Davey Johnson came out of managerial hibernation (he was already on the Nats staff in another capacity).
The Nationals are teh model for the Braves to follow. It does appear that t might get worse before it gets better, though, for Atlanta. Jones, Bourn, Beachy, and perhaps the entire bench will be gone for next season, most likely.
Add the guys like McCann, Uggla, who are waay overpaidwho will haunt the penny-pinching ownership, and you get potential paralysis. Even if they splurge for Bourn – he is coming back to his career norms (.279 hitter with no power and lots of strikeouts), they “don’t get worse”. but you already have him and he is no superstar.
Th epitching in the minors had better be a lot better than they are showing so far – Not one has lived up to the hype and thrived – yeah I know, injuries…. Washington had more gmes lost to injury than all but three teams in MLB THIS year (say teh stat last week when they played the Phillies, who had the most games missed). Important guys missed a LOT of time, and some are out for the year. Yet they overcame it so far.
Bottom line is, the Braves need to spend around $20-25M more next year, and it is questionable if ownership will do so.
September 5th, 201210:35 am
“We have been riding pitching for years. Trouble is Braves teams don’t score enough runs consistently.
First we blamed TP. Then we got a new hitting coach. Then a new manager. Then two hitting coaches. We talked with Jones, his father and gawd knows who else. But championship teams score runs. (Check out the Nationals). And this team does not.”
Paul in Richmond hit the nail on the head folks.
The Braves waste money year in and year out on pitching! I know its good to have good pitchers but they take it to extremes. Want proof? Just look at the projected lineup at the begining of the year and look at it now. I know injuries happen, we exect that. But sometimes you gotta hit the darn ball!
Wren chose to go with the same group that choked last season and they are doing the same thing again.
Common sense tells me that if you have a flat tire, you dont rotate it to the other side and proceed down the freeway, and thats what Wren did.
For as bad as we’ve been hitting, we’re still the #2 offense in the NL…imagine if Uggla and McCann were hitting their weight…
September 5th, 201210:45 am
CHOKIN FOR CHIPPER! THESE BRAVES DISGUST ME! UGGLA, YOU HAVE HAD YOUR CHANCES, MCCANN, SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESTED WEEKS AGO!, YANISH..FEEBLE HITTER, FREDIE F…WHERE ARE YOU THESE DAYS..JAY HAY COME ON MAN!, HONESTLY, THEY ARE SADLY DONE!
September 5th, 201210:54 am
The cap tipping moratorium lasted, what two days? Friends and relatives again tonight…
September 5th, 201210:57 am
One can only wonder what the Braves will look like in 2013. Their salary commitment is a $15M
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Seriously? You can’t win every game but this is pathetic! Braves need a sense of urgency!!
September 5th, 201211:19 am
What DOB forgets to tell everyone is that the Braves are 8 back in the loss column…..betcha if the Braves had been up 7 1/2 games, he’d say the Braves were up 8 in the loss column. It is called being a “homer”..the radio/tv guys (who the Braves pay) do the same thing. And you never hear or read anything about magic numbers either, by the way, its 20 (any combination of Nat wins and Brave losses). I can understand some of the homer stuff but you are supposed to be a journalist not a cheerleader. — crashandburnedbraves
Glad you can understand “some of the homer stuff,” because I sure can’t understand your interpretation or anything you wrote here, as it pertains to my game story or any of my game stories. As for the broadcasters, they’re paid by the team.
One would have to have gone into this with some preconceived notions to somehow interpret what I wrote as “cheerleading.” I mean, seriously. Read the story again and explain to me how on earth one could interpret that game story as “cheerleading.”
I can only assume you didn’t even read the thing. For your sake, I’ll make that assumption. Because if you did read it all the way through, and that was what you came away with, well … I’ll just leave it at that.
September 5th, 201211:33 am
DOB, what a pleasant way of calling crashed/burned a dumba**.
The FALL CHOKE is in full swing. And these are the CELLAR DWELLERS we are playing now. Just wait until we play better teams.
September 5th, 201211:34 am
DOB- not your gig but I get what cnbb is saying about the radio/tv guys. Their ignorance is bliss approach has become comical and makes either format almost unbearable. I did, however, have Chip at max volume for the Chipper hr sun eve.
September 5th, 201211:41 am
The braves problem is not money. Look at LA. They just added 100’s of millions in payroll and so far it is not buying wins. DC spent way too much on Werth. Investing in old players is a losing plan. Look at the Yankees. They are breaking down. Look at Boston. They found a sucker with LA to unload some bad contracts. Look at the Mets with Santana and Bay. You gotta get young players through their prime. Chipper is an exception, but he is only part time now. Easier said than done.
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