1:09 pm September 3, 2012, by David O'Brien
September 3rd, 20127:45 pm
For gosh sakes, grow up!
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 20127:46 pm
Maybe Uggla needs one of Mark Grace’s famous slumpbusters.
September 3rd, 20127:47 pm
Freddi – Applause. The ship nay still sink, but you are going down fighting. Sit McCant & Ugli. Make Hansome next. Ugli – What a POS attitude. Do you really need an explanation? Really?
probably aren’t as low on the food chain as politicians and used car salesmen are
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 20127:48 pm
I understand, nolie…..in the end, i just don’t think dan has great sense.
September 3rd, 20127:49 pm
Kinda like referring to Nascar Drivers as athletes
September 3rd, 20127:51 pm
On the definition of a “slumpbuster”, after being pressed by host Jim Rome in a now-infamous 2003 interview on the television show “Rome is Burning” to clarify the baseball slang term (this is the “official” word-for-word transcript from the interview)…
“A slumpbuster is if a team’s in a slump, or if you personally are in a slump, you gotta find the fatest, gnarliest, grossest chick and you just gotta lay the wood to her. And when you do that, you’re just gonna have instant success. And it could also be called jumping on a grenade for the team.”
September 3rd, 20127:52 pm
maybe not phil, who knows? BUt I honestly don’t think that has much to do with baseball success. When you have been successful enough doing something your own way to be one of the 1000 or so best in the world and make 13mil per year, you tend to have a tremendous amount of yourself invested in that approach
September 3rd, 20127:56 pm
Believe Fredi and Wren must be reading my posts. Braves bring up Gearin, Delgado, and Teheran. I also suggested bringing up Varvaro. They didn’t. Varvaro and Gearin are better than the old bum and probably better than Moylan too.
Also, suggested a platoon of Constanza/Johnson in left and uggla to the bench. Hopefully, that will be a permanent move. Now, with more speed and defense and hopefully more ABC baseball, the Braves will roll. If someone can get McCann and Ross hitting, we will really roll. And, Simmons hopefully back in NY.
September 3rd, 20127:57 pm
You can bet Frank told Fredi to make the move with Uggla
September 3rd, 20127:58 pm
I am sure that you’re capable of doing the same research. Go check baseball reference and look up each of those players’ career OBP’s. I think that’s a great start.
Lowe was 35 years old and on the tail end of his career. Paying $15M per for 4 season was a terrible price point. KK hadnt thrown a pitch in MLB and how many Japanese pitchers have turned out in MLB? Uggla was on the wrong side of thirty, and looking at his previous production it was obvious at the time and obvious now that we overpaid. Look, we’re dealing with a middle market budget and have to be more diligent with our spending and get bang for our buck.
McLouth was the wrong player to acquire. He previous production was only a small sample size. Why not trade for someone more proven with greater production level? I can go on forever, but how is that?
September 3rd, 20127:59 pm
Fredi’s own statment is telling. if it’s someone you only know two months you don’t think about it. So if he didn’t have this relationship with Uggla he makes the move sooner for the good of the team. Just shows what type of manager he is.
A Bomb – I was right in a prior comment of mine in another blog – one did go off in your head. Apart from your ability to recognize Jason’s talent, you are “and idiot.”
Uggla was married when he had his tryst with a porn star. It does speak to his character, but has little to do with how he plays baseball.
@Phil….I agree with the 7:48….”Vitrol Spew,’ Uggla could possibly allow an uncommon sense to eat him up like a wild, outside fastball…albeit, his gal likely prefers the ‘inside’ variation, Phil.
September 3rd, 20128:00 pm
Several of us called for a constanza / Diaz platoon with Teeeen to 2nd before the break so…
Gotta tip my Bama cap…
Josh Rutledge SS, Rockies – In his first 43 big league games, 344/363/617 7HR 17 XBH. Okay here..
Coors: 327/355/584 5HR 8XBH
Away: 377/377/679 2HR 9XBH
Roll Tide, Josh.
September 3rd, 20128:01 pm
Grossly over paid for Lowe. It wss a knee jerk reaction by Wren.
September 3rd, 20128:02 pm
@Ace….give me some insight here—Will you be back next season?
If all this is true I’m disliking Uggs even more but not for me to judge.
September 3rd, 20128:03 pm
Fredi should have pulled Uggla much sooner and should have put Meds in the lineup earlier.
I’m not arguing about how bad these guys are/have been.
I’m just saying they got paid what the market dictated.
Kawakami — All Japanese guys are overpaid and it was an experiment.
Lowe — 200+ inning workhorse with 15 win average.
McLouth — All-Star despite the sample size.
Uggla — OPS 800+ with 30-homer streak.
I did check. This is all 20/20 hindsight.
McLouth was the wrong player to acquire. He previous production was only a small sample size,,,Bird
his previous production spanned over 1000 at bats all over 800 OPS. revisionism is such a bore
September 3rd, 20128:04 pm
Hello Captain. Indeed working 8 days a week.
September 3rd, 20128:06 pm
Next season is a option year and I hope DOB will pick it up.
MIBravesFan — personal attack. Nice job.
Don’t know for what but if you want to pick fights on the Internet, do it with someone else.
September 3rd, 20128:10 pm
McOut was possibly worse than Uggs.
Here are the two kickers: Childish as they may be.
As mentioned earlier Uggs is a pro baseball player that shaves his arms to show off his mucles!
McOut highlightr\ed his hair\
Both these guys were worried about that kinda stuff while hitting 210.
Did Murphy, Maddux, Pendleton, Chipper….do either of these things? No
Don’t threaten me, A Bomb.
And if IIRC, the alternative to Lowe was Burnett?
Despite his success this season, how’d he work out in New York?
Your comment I was responding to was tacky and stupid.
September 3rd, 20128:11 pm
Well, another way to tell that you made mistakes- Wren tried to deal Lowe after 1 season. Found no takers. Go back and read the blogs. KK-enough said. Now fans are urging that we get rid of uggla and nobody will want his contract. All of these notes sound like blunders by our general manager.
We simply can ill-afford to make poor spending mistakes like these. Do you realize how much these overspends have affected our ability to make other moves?
As a middle market team you make moves like $10M per season for 2 years of Beltran. That’s a risk, but a much smaller financial risk, and you’ve got yourself a proven player when health. Or you sign someone like WIllingham for $7M for season for 3 years. Risk involved, but you didn’t guarantee $40M or $52M. These are smarter gambles, look at their proven track records compared to McOut and Uggla.
I also suggested trading Teheran as the centerpiece in a deal for Headley. We really could have used another bat and not a mediocre pitcher in Maholm. Maholm is not bringing much more than Delgado would have
September 3rd, 20128:12 pm
really? That kinda crap matters to you, Mark? They were both known for great hustle and as great teammates. that’s what should matter
Sorry for the double. Obviously based on my last post I’m getting bored.
Say your prayers and lets get them tomorrow, even with Hanson on the bump!
September 3rd, 20128:15 pm
And btw, I have always supported you in thinking that Jason is a special baseball talent. So don’t go after me, and knock off the stupid sexist comments!
Really it doesn’t matter though I think a grown man doing either is strange.
Production is what matters and neither did that
September 3rd, 20128:18 pm
Well if it offended you, my apologies, just trying to lend some humor.
Nothing I said to you was a threat.
It was an attempt to lend some humor to the Uggla situation. I’m not a sexist. Far from it. It was a story dealing with Mark Grace from years ago. Quoted from his website.
September 3rd, 20128:20 pm
Been purposely avoiding the blog during my vacation (and the Braves losing skid). But just had to get on and comment about the awesome job Cy Medlen is doing in the starting rotation!
And I was one of the guys saying we needed him in the pen. When I am wrong, I am wrong! I blew it with that call four shore.
Time for a rejuvenation Braves!
no neither did, but there was no real reason to expect b4hand that they would fail like they did. Must be sumthang in the Atlanta water
September 3rd, 20128:21 pm
Wayne — how was San Diego sir?
Yeah, uggla did reach the top and pull down big money. But poor judgment, such as he appears to possess, will lead to bankruptcy eventually….probably.
September 3rd, 20128:22 pm
Uggla, read the writing on the walls.
September 3rd, 20128:24 pm
You may be on to something there!
September 3rd, 20128:25 pm
You don’t find any humor in the Uggla situation that is not at his expense. But dark humor is all the rage, so my apologies for overreacting.
You are right about Jason.
I’ll settle for Ugs doing a better job just reading the pitchers.
September 3rd, 20128:26 pm
September 3rd, 20128:27 pm
Yeah, phil, sure – the next “Bad Moon Rison” for sure! . . . .
September 3rd, 20128:28 pm
Yeah, uggla did reach the top and pull down big money. But poor judgment, such as he appears to possess, will lead to bankruptcy eventually….probably.
Ugs has, what, another $30-odd million coming from the Braves in the next three years? He’s got plenty of time – and dough – to learn how to manage his moola.
“…..One would think a guy on this level could grasp that concept very well……” Captain Mudd
How about hitting to the opposite field?
September 3rd, 20128:29 pm
Didn’t get a chance to get out to the Phil’s while there. Our time was fairly short, but we had a good time. Spending lots of time with extended family in Riverside, Escondido and Sun City. Only spent Tuesday night at the game in SD. (Medlen’s previous start)
Got to meet 3 great bloggers: Kat, cabravesfan and Venice Jim. All seem to be first class folks too!
Beautiful city, just wish we’d had more time. But the park ain’t near as nice as ATT park in SF. (but then again, I LOVE SF)
September 3rd, 20128:30 pm
The A Bomb,
Any retort to my comment above? Most all of Wren’s acquisitions fall somewhere in the career OBP range of .290 – .330. That’s really pathetic
September 3rd, 20128:31 pm
Been purposely avoiding the blog during my vacation (and the Braves losing skid).
DS1, don’t avoid the blog. Wanted: More sanity.
Thank Goodness. I didn’t think Fredi had the balls to tell Uggla to sit for more than a game I think he’s physically scared of him lol I know I would be! Popeye arms Uggla. Now deal with McCann’s shoulder and let him get surgery if he needs it. He’d be ready to play the sooner he has it, and then we can see how he bounces back in ‘13 before we evaluate his contract and decide whether to extend or release.
I think we’re going to bounce back in a big way and get a whole bunch of wins the next few weeks. GO BRAVES!
September 3rd, 2012
Next season is a option year and I hope DOB will pick it up
Will he go to a bigger market like PHILLY, NYC, CHI?
Though I could be wrong (I have been wrong 2-3 times this year already), I don’t see this team going far with a Johnson/Constanza platoon in LF.
We need Uggla to get back in the groove.
September 3rd, 20128:34 pm
I love it when a team scores runs without any hits, speed puts a lot of pressure on any pitcher. Maddox said the more stress the more mistakes. The braves hitters will improve if Fredi will keep the speed in the lineup.
Good one Jeff R at 826
Glad you got to the “good game” Wayne. Petco’s pretty nice.
I’m sure they all are — I want Venice Jim to read this — we had sort of a “discussion” last night. By their comments around here they all seem like nice people.
Next time — I won’t have school commitments and I’ll take you to Phil’s. (Getting hungry).
If you’re ever in L.A. as well. Of course.
AT&T is THE BEST. Of course I haven’t been to Pittsburgh. Bucket list.
Most all of Wren’s acquisitions fall somewhere in the career OBP range of .290 – .330. That’s really pathetic
Birdhair, meet Shaun. Shaun, meet Birdhair.
September 3rd, 20128:35 pm
Thank you, brian.
September 3rd, 20128:36 pm
Good win today, HANSON tomorrow? Not so good. BELIEVE IN THE MEDS.
Uggla’s response to his slump reminds me of francoeur’s during his last year here. No noticeable adjustments at all. I wonder if Uggla is making the adjustments that his hitting coaches want him to make or if he is just keeping on keeping on
September 3rd, 20128:37 pm
I do enjoy the company of many on the blog, but the older I get, the less tolerant I am of idiocy.
When the Braves are doing poorly, it just ain’t worth the effort some nights.
DAMN, what a heckuva finish on Sunday afternoon!!! That was storybook stuff. I’m listening on XM and we get to the condo when Bourn is batting. I left the car running and listened, as Ms DS1 wrote them off and went inside. Bourn walked, Prado gets a seeing eye double. And Chipper with the theatrics! It’ll be a finish I will always remember due to the circumstances and where I was at the time!!!
Rotunda Shaquonda Obama
Only about a year late.
September 3rd, 20128:39 pm
Will he [DOB] go to a bigger market like PHILLY, NYC, CHI?
Holy gripes, Jorge_Jorge and ACE beating the DOB drum again.
Actually, I think you guys are groupies or something. Maybe if DOB just sends you autographed glossy 8×10s that would do the trick.
September 3rd, 20128:40 pm
Birdhair — IF he gets the ax, so be it. Wouldn’t argue.
But even if you count cards at a blackjack table you COULD lose.
Seems to me he’s made some pretty good moves as well. Michael Bourn?
Has Cashman struck gold with all his signings? Epstein?
Seems to me Ned Colletti traded James McDonald and a top prospect named Andrew Lambo to the Pirates 2 years ago for Octavio Dotel — WHO WAS TRADED a month later to Colorado even though he would be ineligible for the playoffs.
GM is an imperfect science. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.
Jack Zduriencik bought all sorts of guys in Seattle — Chone Figgins — how’s that worked out but he’s still there. Smoak has done jackola.
How ’bout Mike Hill in Florida — how’s that worked out? LOL.
Jerry Dipoto in Anaheim — Double LOL.
I’m NOT saying Wren is the best GM in baseball. But he is very creative for the payroll he’s given.
September 3rd, 20128:41 pm
It’s a date A Bomb! Might be next year or the year after though………. Most of my so cal relatives are either moving out or dying off.
September 3rd, 20128:42 pm
I’m with you, DS1, but what’s the old saying, slightly modified: “For idiocy to triumph, good men must do nothing.” Or somesuch.
September 3rd, 20128:44 pm
Wayne – that was a great game to hear/see the end of, wasn’t it? Chipper keeps making great memories for all of us! It would not have been the same to have just DVR’d it or watched it later.
September 3rd, 20128:45 pm
Jeff is always wRong. You seem to have an obsession with Me and George.
September 3rd, 20128:47 pm
ACE, you doubled up on me, fella!
Nah! Jut trying to keep you boys honest… and in touch with reality.
September 3rd, 20128:50 pm
Uggla should be playing AA ball…where he belongs. Terrible trade for a terrible player. Gonna have to eat all those millions. D. Lowe, Mike Hampton, Dan Uggla…Braves have made some sh1tty deals, and, accordingly, haven’t won the division since making those sh1tty deals.
September 3rd, 20128:53 pm
If Jeff is paying you or George ANY attention, consider that a victory. Most of us don’t.
Yeah, that HR ranks right up there with all the other Chipper career highlights.
What are we going to do with this fragmented pitching staff? Minor, Huddy and Hanson are all inconsistent as all get out. And Maholm is good, but not great. He’s pitched well in all but that game yesterday.
Medlen and pray for 3-4 days of rain?
Very creative? Is that a complement? It’s like he’s been shopping at the sunnyvalue retirement home community or walter read hospital with signings.
He’s left himself no room to spend bec it’s all been blown on the guys that i mentioned earlier.
Wren is a bottom half GM. It’s time for change.
September 3rd, 20128:56 pm
Until Medlen is sent back to the pen, I can’t see us winning any more games this year….sigh.
September 3rd, 20128:58 pm
Joe Brave Whatever, man.
would Perry Mason change his approach cause he lost a few cases?
I hope not. I’m hoping that Hudson and Maholm just hit bumps.
Kawakami was simply misunderstood…
September 3rd, 20128:59 pm
“…….How about hitting to the opposite field?….”
@Rich Brave…per 8:28:
Yes–your question regarding the 26Mil Mr. Uggla is valid….but is it within his apparently limited offensive skillset? If so, he wasn’t interiewed comprehensively….anyone ever scout him and analyze this very important option potentially possessed by Dan?
Sorry, had to leave and help a special female….but@@@Rich Brave,
Johnson is a fourth outfielder. Constanza doesn’t belong. Dan the man is .340 OBP, has 17 hrs and is third on team in rbi’s.
September 3rd, 20129:00 pm
By whom and where?
Perry never lost, did he?
September 3rd, 20129:01 pm
anybody ever scout him? yeah they watched him beat the hell out of them for 5 years.
September 3rd, 20129:02 pm
@Ace….”I hope DOB picks up my option!”
I hate to be rather pessimistic, but Ace you are slated to be non-tendered or at th least non-teetered my friend.
Never. And mostly his ratings were high. Same with Ironside.
By all of us….alone in a strange land and blasted by us malcontents constantly….and for what reason?
Aside from his putrid ERA and W-L record, of course!
September 3rd, 20129:03 pm
Good one, CaptainMudd!
Perry Mason lost The Case of the Terrified Typist” but, of course, in the end he did find the solution to the murder case
He also lost in “The Case of the Deadly Verdict”. That episode begins with Perry Mason trying to find a clue in order to solve the case that he lost. He is sure that something is missing and finally he solves the mystery
one more and he shoulda fired Della….
I don’t have a major issue with Uggla sitting a while. But I will guarantee you one thing, he won’t get his bat going on the bench.
And we need him.
September 3rd, 20129:04 pm
It was a poor sarcastic offering @Nolieee: I have always assumed they fully knew what they were getting in a Dan Uggla, sir.
September 3rd, 20129:05 pm
DS1, we thank you for your unwavering support.
Birdhair — Now that Wren supposedly has some money I’ll judge him next season.
I have much more of an issue with the on-field strategy.
Admittedly we’ve gone in the right direction the past couple of days.
September 3rd, 20129:06 pm
yeah I think they knew what they were getting Capt, sorry I missed that tongue hiding in your cheek there
September 3rd, 20129:07 pm
I expect Tim Hudson to rule in my favor and pick up my option.
September 3rd, 20129:08 pm
non-tender all of us and be choosier next time
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