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TheOnlyBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
6:11 pm
Though, I counted 41 guys on the 40man… 22 pitchers, 3 catchers, 9 Infielders, 7 outfielders
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
6:13 pm
I really don’t think Hanson should get another start. But he is, so that’s that.
Yeah, drop Hanson! Hanson and Hinske get the boot, bring up Gattis and Mejia.
Nova Scotia Steve
September 3rd, 2012
6:13 pm
I think if Hanson’s struggles in his next start he’s finished getting regular starts.
If Gonzalez will break the news to Uggla – he’ll certainly have to do it with Hanson.
Sheets, Delgado or Teheran could each put together better starts then Hanson has in the second half of this season.
Animus
September 3rd, 2012
6:14 pm
Fish on the 60 DL may not count against the 40 – not sure about the rules. 60 day DL usually means an insurance company is paying him
But I counted 41 also – that’s the only thing I could think of.
Jeff R
September 3rd, 2012
6:15 pm
Sheets, Delgado or Teheran could each put together better starts then Hanson has in the second half of this season.
I think so, too. Certainly Sheets and Delgado.
kyle
September 3rd, 2012
6:18 pm
Uggla is being selfish, to say he does not know why? come on get on board and be a team player for once.
BFChris27
September 3rd, 2012
6:22 pm
R.I.P – Michael Clarke Duncan
Chop Chop
September 3rd, 2012
6:22 pm
Medlen: “So, am I gonna get a chance to start or what?”
Wren: “Well, we’re gonna pitch you out of the bullpen first because we don’t want you to dominate the National League. Then, we’re going to send you down to Gwinnett, where you won’t pitch all that well in a few starts. We will call you up and pitch you out of the bullpen again because that doesn’t really make any sense. Finally, when our fans are groveling on their hands and knees for a pitcher, any pitcher, to be our Messiah, we will put you into the rotation and you will be the best starting pitcher ever. I will explain that we were just trying to keep your innings down. You know, like that Strasburg guy. I’m very smart, am I not?”
Medlen: “Yes. You are the greatest GM in the history of baseball.”
Wren: (smiling)
BFChris27
September 3rd, 2012
6:31 pm
So sad to hear it.
Actor Michael Clarke Duncan, most notably in The Green Mile has passed away today. Had a heart attack in July and didn’t recover from it.
Mark
September 3rd, 2012
6:34 pm
Which one on thr Green Mile was he?
N8
September 3rd, 2012
6:35 pm
Yeah, just read the quote (and i’m paraphrasing), where Uggla said the numbers don’t mean much…. that he’s part of the team that got them this far.
Sure he is. Just like Scott Proctor was part of one of the NL’s best bullpen last year and Derek Lowe helped “anchor” the rotation.
First sign of Uggla not getting it. I get he’s mad. And he should be. I’d be more worried if he wasn’t mad about it. But just keep your doubts to yourself.
One doesn’t need to look any further than how Hanson handled a frickin rehab start, as opposed to Medlen not griping about being in bullpen or going to minors.
Some guys get it. Some don’t. Starting to think Dan doesn’t get it.
N8
September 3rd, 2012
6:35 pm
Yeah, just read the quote (and i’m paraphrasing), where Uggla said the numbers don’t mean much…. that he’s part of the team that got them this far.
Sure he is. Just like Scott Proctor was part of one of the NL’s best bullpen last year and Derek Lowe helped “anchor” the rotation.
First sign of Uggla not getting it. I get he’s mad. And he should be. I’d be more worried if he wasn’t mad about it. But just keep your doubts to yourself.
One doesn’t need to look any further than how Hanson handled a frickin rehab start, as opposed to Medlen not griping about being in bullpen or going to minors.
Some guys get it. Some don’t. Starting to think Dan doesn’t get it.
flange1
September 3rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Mark,
The massive convict with the “power”.
N8
September 3rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Oh neet. It posted twice. What a fine piece of technology this blog is.
N8
September 3rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Or neat. whatever you prefer. LOL
BFChris27
September 3rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Mark
He played John Coffey in The Green Mile.
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Most telling quote of the day is Gonzalez saying “who knows — I might not be back.”
Sounds like he wants to keep his job. Sounds like he was backing Uggla and he and Wren made some sort of decree akin to — if he’s not coming around by Sept. 1, we do it MY WAY.
You just don’t throw $13 million on the bench for the next 3 seasons. Should be interesting.
Mark
September 3rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Thanks flange
That was one big man. Did a great job in that “flicker show”
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
6:43 pm
flange1
September 3rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Mark,
The massive convict with the “power”.
**********
uggla?
Jim from Roswell
September 3rd, 2012
6:46 pm
At least Fredi finally figured it out regarding Uggla. He never did figure out that Lowe shouldn’t have started a single game after the All Star break last year. As a result the Bravos watched the playoffs. We need a real owner and a real manager.
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
6:46 pm
Also called the expanded roster, the 40-man is composed of all the players in a Major League club’s organization who are signed to a major-league contract. These are the players who are able to be called up to the 25-man roster at any given time. Also on the 40-man are any players on the 15-day disabled list and minor league players who are signed to a major-league contract but are on an “optional assignment” to the minors. (Each player has three “options” to be sent to the minors once on the 40-man before they must be placed on waivers to be sent there.) Players who were on the 40-man but are placed on the 60-day disabled list are taken off the 40-man until the time on the DL is over. The same applies to players who are suspended. Because players on the 60-day DL are taken off the 40-man with no risk of losing the player, MLB teams often transfer injured players from the 15-day DL to the 60-day DL so that they can add another player to the 40-man without having to designate a player for assignment. Designating for assignment is the removal of a player from the 40-man, whereby the team has 10 days to trade, release, or send the player to the minors.
Jim from Roswell
September 3rd, 2012
6:46 pm
At least Fredi finally figured it out regarding Uggla. He never did figure out that Lowe shouldn’t have started a single game after the All Star break last year. As a result the Bravos watched the playoffs. We need a real owner and a real manager.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
6:47 pm
I say Uggly gets traded….just a hunch.
Needs to happen, regardless.
Kat
September 3rd, 2012
6:49 pm
Kyle Tait @kyle_tait
Andrelton Simmons bounces out to second for the first out of the third. Now 1-for-2 with an infield hit
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
6:50 pm
you can never say never, but I doubt they trade hi, I really doubt they trade him if they have to eat much contract at all
Mark
September 3rd, 2012
6:51 pm
Vitriol
Similar for sure but the Green Mile massive guy shaved his head but not his arms!
CaptainMudd
September 3rd, 2012
6:53 pm
I made some comments re: Uggla earlier during the game blog….my reference there was the Uggla I have seen cummulatively going back to last season; his entire Atlanta Braves career.
At game time I went straight to the blog, not reading the D.O.B. story as one should prior to today’s contest. I had no idea how Uggs handledthe ‘news.’ As delivered by Fredi, done for the betterment of the entire organization–and, ultimately overdue in my opinion.
I am saying this now–because for the vast majority of his time here, Uggla has never given me cause to doubt him as a person or a professional ML’er. V.I.P. on field [fan] meetings aside; and this is hard because I really liked Dan–I wished very much his tenure here to be successful;however, if what DOB has reported is the exact truth–Dan’s reaction to that ‘news’ was terrible IMO.
Moreover, to me it is shameful to not recognize the poor stats possessed to date—and fail to publicly address the obvious. C’on Dan….are you being real? This season overall you have been a drain on this club–we all have had to live with your underwhelming performance. It is not my charge to be cruel however; you are making big bucks–big for this market anyway….and all you can insinuate is that the Manager was brief regarding the reason for your big ’sitdown’? It strikes me as Mr. Uggla is protecting the market value of his name by playing it this way….face it Dan, for whatever reasons…in 2012 you have not helped your team enough and, both the GM and Fredi have made a decision–understand, Dan, this is being done because you are underperforming. One would think a guy on this level could grasp that concept very well.
MIBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
6:54 pm
Kat – thanks for the update on Simba
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
6:54 pm
See, so we can move Diaz to 60-day DL that opens a spot for Gattis, and drop Hinske and bring up Gattis.
But, I’m fine with what we’ve got now too… was just hoping to get to see those 2, especially Gattis.
keyLargo
September 3rd, 2012
6:55 pm
Derek Lowe – 9 games for the Yankees. 5.79 ERA and 2.036 WHIP.
I wonder if we got any salary break after he left Cleveland? I could see where it would be unfair to allow Cleveland to dump him and the Braves to continue to pay that $10M.
JoeFan
September 3rd, 2012
6:55 pm
Should of happened sooner with Uggla. Every game is important and you have to play the guys that give you the best chance of winning and that includes moving either sheets or delgado into the rotation ove Hanson.
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
6:55 pm
Duncan was just in THE FINDER, a recent TV show I liked that got cancelled. I had not heard of his heart attack. also was in the WHOLE 9 YARDS with Bruce. RIP.
Mark
September 3rd, 2012
6:55 pm
Agree that Uggs probably doesn’t get traded unless he really just turns into a cancer and I don’t see him going that negative. Doesn’t seam like that kinda guy although I’d never though he’d fussed about being benched while hitting 205 and leading the league in Ks
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
6:57 pm
most established guys would fuss I think Mark
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 2012
6:58 pm
Thought I read Fredi said it wasn’t his decision….am I incorrect?
If not, why is Gonzalez getting all these props?
bostonbravo
September 3rd, 2012
6:58 pm
After 4x on here reading posts, I finally read Dan Uggla’s comments. So here’s my comment to you Danny : “Screw you!”
ray k
September 3rd, 2012
7:00 pm
Kris Medlux
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:01 pm
call him Dr. Kris, he makes them take their Meds
CaptainMudd
September 3rd, 2012
7:01 pm
@Nolieee…..you remember The Jefferson Starship group from 60’s, 70’s to present?
Mark
September 3rd, 2012
7:03 pm
Chippers made comments yesterday about we get paid to hit HRs and hit 300. He didn’t call names but it was obvious he wasn’t just talking about himself.
Maybe Chipper helped make the call on Uggla. Regardless of who did it, it was about time someone listened and used some common sense
cowdogit
September 3rd, 2012
7:04 pm
Glad to see Constanza back in the lineup, the first four runs the braves scored they only had one hit. Speed on the bases with Bourn, Heyward, Constanza created stress on the pitcher and allowed the team to score without a homerun. If you want Uggly to improve” put more stress on the pitcher.
Brave New World
September 3rd, 2012
7:05 pm
It’s not so much Uggla not getting it as it is Uggla’s belief that he can turn things around. He is a streaky hitter, and he is used to prolonged slumps followed by prolonged hot hitting. The turnaround did not happen in 2012, and the Braves cannot afford to go into a playoff run with Uggla an easy out and McCann not producing. That essentially reduces their line up to the first 5 hitters who can be pitched around because Uggla, McCann, Janish, and the pitcher are fairly easy to pitch to. Right move shelving Uggla. And, while we’re talking about soft spots, Bourn strikes out way too much for a lead off hitter – he’s a good hitter and very good fielder, but anyone notice the dip in his average during the past 10 – 15 games?
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:05 pm
Uggly is presently delusional….
He was given every chance and then some.
Enough was enough. Maybe he plays tomorrow?
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:05 pm
sure, had a huge crush on Grace who I met several times through the anti-war campaigning
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 2012
7:07 pm
Looking at the free agency list for next season the only team remotely in need of a 2B would be Toronto (Kelly Johnson).
Who knows, Uggla might hit 50 there — but the turf would kill his fielding.
Realistically, we’re stuck with him for 3 more seasons. Hope it’s not like paying Matt Stairs $13 million.
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:08 pm
great voice
Baseball-Braves bench struggling Uggla, Prado in starter’s role – Chicago Tribune | Sports News
September 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution [...]
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
he had 5 good months in a row, just split between 2 seasons, maybe he can put 4 or 5 together in one year
CaptainMudd
September 3rd, 2012
7:10 pm
Their lead guitarist, Mr. Abrahamian….passed after last nights performance backstage [he was talking to fiancee when he experience a fatal heart attack….R.I.P. sir.
Brave New World
September 3rd, 2012
7:10 pm
nolie: Grace Slick was hot back in the 60’s and 70’s.
drew
September 3rd, 2012
7:10 pm
WOW…Ego Uggla cares only about himself. What a complete douche.
ray k
September 3rd, 2012
7:12 pm
Of course Dan wants to be in there and of course he’s miffed about being demoted to part time duty. But for Dan’s tone to even remotely hint that it’s unjustified and that he’s a victim here is pretty incredible and is a bit out of character for him, at least as evidenced by every quote I have ever read of his.
The classy thing would be to say: “I haven’t been very good. And they’re doing what they think is best to win games. I’ll be back when they give me a chance to prove I should be in there every day.”
Mark
September 3rd, 2012
7:12 pm
In an ideal world Uggla sits a while, relaxes, reflects, adjusts and when he gets an opportunity comes around. Do I think it’ll happen? No, but theres always a chance and if he would it would sure make us bette if he could just hit 250 with a homer every 25 or so ABs!
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:13 pm
wow, I didn’t hear that Capt. Thank you for passing that on. another RIP today
wins-by-a-link
September 3rd, 2012
7:14 pm
Usually when you make a 62 million dollar mistake you get fired, Lets see what happens to Wren, If Braves fail to make play-offs, Wren and FG may be gone but without new owners it won’t make much difference. All the retreads that Wren has brought in hasn’t helped any, Lets hope Liberty Media will soon get thier tax breaks and sell the Braves to local interest, Then and only then will we see serious efforts to win a championship in Atlanta.
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:15 pm
what a bunch a overreaction about Uggla’s comments. These guys are super competitive, of course he is upset. If he didn’t say anything some of y’all would be bitching that he didn’t care.
MIBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
7:16 pm
The Braves have won 2 games in a row, one in an incredibly memorable way and the other with a great pitching performance, and yet a whole lot of the chatter on the blog is about a player who did not play. Fascinating how people still find reasons to get all worked up and p/o’ed.
Birdhair
September 3rd, 2012
7:17 pm
wins-by-a-link, very good post.
Btw KK, Lowe, McOut, and Uggla Wren has wasted $155 million plus. Yes, I subtracted the $5M savings for drunk lowe this year and I included in Mcout’s $1.25m buy-out.
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
most likely, nothing is gonna happen to Wren if they don’t make the playoffs.
and it is a mistake only in hindsight. Uggla had a great season the year B4 we traded for him
Brave New World
September 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
Uggla’s biggest problem as a hitter is that he is fairly one dimensional. He does not appear to adjust during an at bat. I believe he gives his all, but so did Jeff Franceour.
David O'Brien
September 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm
Scoreless streak ends, but Medlen’s win streaks continue in 6-1, complete-game gem vs. Rockies
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/09/03/braves-medlen-has-12-strikeouts-in-complete-game-win/
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:19 pm
Isn’t this the guy who dated a porn actress that we’re talking about?
Say no more…
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:19 pm
WTH does that have to do with anything, phil?
MIBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
7:20 pm
I wonder how much money they would have “wasted” with you in charge, bird. Happily, we’ll never know.
Mark
September 3rd, 2012
7:22 pm
He dated a porn star?
Maybe thats why he shaves his arms
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:22 pm
Mark May and Lou Holtz….
A confederacy of dunces…..
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 2012
7:23 pm
OK Birdhair you take all those players and you point out….
1. When they showed anything before coming to Atlanta that didn’t warrant the deal….
– and –
2. Why they didn’t deserve the deal they got based on the MARKET value in that particular year.
No argument they all pretty much suck(ed), but tell us where they stumbled prior to coming to Atlanta.
You’re reaching — and I’m much more negative than you on any given day.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:23 pm
Judgment, nolie….intelligence, sense.
ChattTownBrian
September 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
I listened to some of the game on the radio and Sutton was imitating a umps voice back when he was playing. His name was Lee Weyer and was 6′8″ and 300 plus pounds, but had a high pitched voice. Sutton imitating was hilarious.
HooRah
September 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Happily, we’ll never know @MIBF
MIBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
7:26 pm
I have never changed my name on this blog. Ever.
MIBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
7:27 pm
Can you say the same?
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:28 pm
Did he imitate Dutch Rennert?
My favorite ump….
HooRah
September 3rd, 2012
7:29 pm
judgment? really? sigh.
and even if true, which I certainly don’t think is anything but bias, what does it have to do with playing baseball successfully? absolutely nothing.
God knows how many HOFers there are who lacked “judgment”
P B Orr
September 3rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Uggla’s a pretty boy. He cared more about his resemblance to Popeye than he did his skill as a ballplayer. That means he’s dumber than a fencepost. This and Hampton and Teixeira are Wren’s worst mistakes and they are adding up.
HooRah
September 3rd, 2012
7:29 pm
I was not talking about you MIBF
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:31 pm
I changed my name….
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 2012
7:31 pm
Actually, the original “loud” ump was Al Barlick……you could hear him in the upper deck.
Weyer was a monster but pretty quiet.
Great generation of umps — Doug Harvey, Harry Wendelstedt, Al Barlick, Ed Vargo, Shag Crawford etc……
HooRah
September 3rd, 2012
7:31 pm
Every time I come on here I find it hard to believe most of what I see written here.
Two great wins and it is still a sewer
Lemke's Knuckler
September 3rd, 2012
7:31 pm
Kudos to Fredi for making the difficult decision to bench Uggla. I think a platoon of Johnson & Constanza in left will improve overall team defense, team speed and on base percentage. I’m not a huge fan of seeing Janish, Johnson and a pitcher accounting for 1/3 of our lineup come postseason time, but I’m hoping Simmons comes back and continues his good work at the plate. Who knows, maybe something happens and Uggla gets 2 starts and goes 8-9 with 4 homers and then just takes off from there and carries this team. This season, with all the ups and downs and this guy streaking and this guy slumping, I’m not even going to try to guess anymore. Just going to watch and take whatever they give me, rain or shine.
HooRah
September 3rd, 2012
7:33 pm
I wasn’t talking about you either vitriol, I was talking about Birdy
P B Orr
September 3rd, 2012
7:35 pm
MIBravesFan, we paid 60 million for an utter stiff whose failure cost us last season and is costing us this one. He’s bad because he’s both stupid and stubborn, which are the worst things to be as a ball player. That’s why we are talking about him. Our 60 million dollar second baseman is a total zero who cares more about the radius of his biceps than anything else in the world.
ChattTownBrian
September 3rd, 2012
7:35 pm
“Uggla’s a pretty boy”
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:35 pm
I’m afraid that I don’t agree that dating a porn star has anything to do with baseball phil.
There are some great porn stars, smart and funny.
MIBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
7:35 pm
“HooRah
September 3rd, 2012
7:29 pm
I was not talking about you MIBF”
“HooRah
September 3rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Happily, we’ll never know @MIBF
yes indeed, just the same old condescending know-it-all under yet another different name. Ignorant blowhard then, ignorant blowhard now”
Really? Then who?
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 2012
7:35 pm
Used to play softball with one, pretty well-known. Great guy.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:37 pm
HooRah
September 3rd, 2012
7:29 pm
judgment? really? sigh.
and even if true, which I certainly don’t think is anything but bias, what does it have to do with playing baseball successfully? absolutely nothing.
God knows how many HOFers there are who lacked “judgment”
********
well…..
Uggla is no HOFer, for one thing. He lacks judgment in that he won’t change his approach at the plate. Apppears to lack the sense to just go the other way some, get a few to fall and so forth. He dates a porn star? A total lack of sense right there. Poor judgment in life, poor judgment playing ball.
Lemke's Knuckler
September 3rd, 2012
7:37 pm
Maybe McCann will get some relief from the cortisone shot and pull a Ryan Zimmerman. After Zimmerman’s shot for a shoulder issue on June 23, he put up these numbers…
63 games, .340 avg, .405 obp, 20 doubles, 14 homers, 48 RBI, .990 slg
CaptainMudd
September 3rd, 2012
7:38 pm
@Brave New World……..Yes, I am sure Mr. Uggla believes he can ‘turn it around,’ however, and as many well know….with each K [some at critical juctures] do we not collectively take a step back? He is/was this team’s clean-up hitter.
ChattTownBrian
September 3rd, 2012
7:38 pm
Hampton and Tex was a Schuerholz project.
MIBravesFan
September 3rd, 2012
7:40 pm
My bad – overly quick on the draw.
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:40 pm
when I was in the video store business as a part owner, they had a convention in Las Vegas every year, prolly still do for that matter. About half or more was driven by the porn industry, the rest by normal video folks many of whom did not carry it, as we did not. always had some movie and tv stars every year, but a ton of porn actors and actresses. lotsa fun and easy to understand why Dan would do that
ChattTownBrian
September 3rd, 2012
7:41 pm
What is the chicks name Uggla is dating?
Mark
September 3rd, 2012
7:42 pm
I think calling a porn participant an actress is a stretch anyway
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:42 pm
A porn star might not be the cleannest thing around? Maybe I’m wrong.
But some would debate a fence post…lol
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:42 pm
whatever Mark
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 2012
7:43 pm
I think a lot less bad can happen from a guy “dating” a porn star than a couple of our pitchers going nightclubbin’ in downtown ATL.
Or for that matter a certain overpaid former Brave hurler drag racing.
nolie
September 3rd, 2012
7:44 pm
at one time that was prolly true, now they are checked very frequently. prolly cleaner than your average bar pick up phil. and I only debate things I think are ….well I won’t specify
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 3rd, 2012
7:45 pm
Agree with Mark….
Not sure if he still is dating her….maybe that’s the problem?
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 2012
7:45 pm
There’s state laws in California mandating constant checks.