1:09 pm September 3, 2012, by David O'Brien
September 3rd, 201210:24 pm
And Tiger – the Braves had a contract with the Indians to pay $10M of his salary. The Yankees weren’t mentioned.
If I leased a bulldozer for a year and after 7 months I was through with it and wanted sublease it to a competitor, I certainly would want him to pay for his useage. Unless there was a clause in the contract saying the Braves would play his salary regardless of trades or pay it all at once at the first of the year, I’m having my lawyer send an inquiry.
6 runs on 5 hits it is better to be lucky than good
September 3rd, 201210:27 pm
Since I am not a skier, that’d be a no brainer for me…….. if I were in your shoes.
Why? Do you have the opportunity to move? How would the missus like that? And you’d be away from junior too, unless you took him w/ ya.
September 3rd, 201210:28 pm
medlen why did they want to allow him to be a starter
now they might have to pay him
Anyone else see that?
I saw that too… someone on Twitta apparently had an explanation, but I didn’t get to see it… my TL was flooded.
September 3rd, 201210:29 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan: sooooooooo, you’d balance keeping a corrosive player who will inevitably weaken an otherwise pretty good club JUST because the asinine GM signed him to a retarded contract that my pathetic excuse for a brain could have told you would implode BEFORE it happened? Sorry, I love the Braves, and hope they win every game of the season, but I’m not prepared to cut the front office and coaching staff THAT much slack…
September 3rd, 201210:30 pm
how can you live out west and not be a skier? you should be in brittish columbia every other weekend
September 3rd, 201210:32 pm
September 3rd, 201210:33 pm
Kris said that? Really? Seems unlikely he said that. Although certainly true that they will.
September 3rd, 201210:34 pm
key – the braves had a contract wih lowe – cleveland agreed to take over that contract if the braves paid $10M of the cost of the contract. Anything that happens after cleveland owns the contract belongs to cleveland.
Too darned old and brittle…………
September 3rd, 201210:35 pm
my pathetic excuse for a brain could have told you would implode BEFORE it happened?
You knew that he’d follow up his best season with 2 poor ones?
September 3rd, 201210:39 pm
I just don’t think we give up on Uggla so quickly, to the point of dfa’ing him, or paying many millions for him to play for someone else.
I think Fredi will work him into the lineup when he can over the next month, and in the postseason if he responds at all. Even failing that, they’ll work with him in the offseason (maybe) and in spring training and try to get him on track.
There’s just no other practical solution, imo. And we know Uggla’s a hard worker; hopefully he can acknowledge that there is indeed a problem, and work on it. I don’t think it’s so unlikely that he can return to reasonably good production. Given the finances involved, Braves will give it another year, anyway.
TheOnlyBravesFan: if you’d care to take the time to look it up, you’ll find AJC blogs with me ranting from day one that Uggla would be exposed with his ridiculous swing and that he’d never duplicate anything like his FLA numbers in ATL. FACT…
I have a question about the scoring on the ball that hit the pitcher (Prado’s at bat). How can it be scored a hit and a double error? If the ball reaches the 1st baseman before the runner, how can it be ruled a hit if they also rule that it should have been caught? If he had caught it Prado would have been out. I realize that they had to show reason for the advancement of runners, but it seems that the way they ruled it is contradictory.
September 3rd, 201210:40 pm
DS1 – with what I do I can find a job petty much anywhere I want (numbers is numbers)
jr is off at college so I might actually see him more if I were in colorado.
dont think mrs tiger would like it (she said she was willing to give it a try) she has never lived anywhere that was cold for more than 1-2 months so I’m afraid that would be a deal breaker long term
none of these are recent discussion (except with the little one) but something we have considered among many place
September 3rd, 201210:41 pm
I don’t think the comments on Uggla’s quotes were overreactions one iota. His lack of acknowledgement of his recent ineptitude is fairly eyebrow raising.
And no one would complain about his hypothetical not complaining over being benched. That’s just plain wrong. Everyone knows, based on many mentions in DOB’s stories, that Uggla is a tough competitor and wants to play every day. If, on this occasion, he just ignominiously slithered away without comment, people wouldn’t question his moxie. They’d simply assume he was upset with himself. Period.
September 3rd, 201210:42 pm
MikeINFl: do us all a favor and contact the now Miami Marlins and BEG them to take their on handed swinging, lousy fielding, tobacco lump-jawed moron back! PLEASE!
PTBNL – one error on not catching the ball 2nd error on throw to 3B
September 3rd, 201210:44 pm
PTBNL – never mind I misuderstood your question
If I can package you in the deal, BFS80, I’ll do it. I’ll fly down on my own dime.
September 3rd, 201210:47 pm
yeah up here in NC, we don’t value the opinion of folks who live in FL too much, just sayin’…
September 3rd, 201210:48 pm
PTBNL – only thing I can think of is prado was going to be safe so it was a hit and 1st error allowed freeman to 3B and 2nd error allowed him to go home
Anybody that thinks there is a snowball’s chance in hell that we deal Uggla this winter, has got to be on some seriously good drugs.
Please share, OK.
Winters are not that brutal in CO. And when it’s cold, you just ask her to stay inside!
Anybody catch my Clemson Tigers yesterday? They could be tough when Watkins returns. Hopefully he will be humbled a bit.
September 3rd, 201210:50 pm
personally I dont value the opinion of idiots regardless of where they live (not that I’m referencing either of the 2 people engaged here)
September 3rd, 201210:51 pm
DS1: so you basically just admitted that we have the dumbest GM in MLB, thanks!
ds1 – look she is used to 10-20 days below freezing a year…so the definition of brutal is often a matter of perspective
The A Bomb
September 3rd, 201210:52 pm
Beane may have the right idea.
Keep the payroll low, eliminate the need for blogs, write books, have a movie, last a decade and then prove its worth in the postseason.
That’s the ticket.
There’s just no other practical solution, imo
Yep. Any other way would be a huge financial hit.
September 3rd, 201210:53 pm
Bravesfansince80s: I went back and looked at as many blogs of the Uggla trade and signing that I could care to look at, couldn’t find you on there… I didn’t read many of the posts, but in most (90%+) of the posts I read, people were glad to have Uggla, calling the trade a steal. Then when we signed him, I saw more happy posters, glad that it wasn’t just a 1 and done thing.
Amazing how just a year later, he’s a hated extremely disliked man.
September 3rd, 201210:56 pm
yeah, I’ve said from day one that the Dan Uggla signing was a stupid signing, he’s been a hole in our lineup, almost the entire 2 years he’s been here, but my opinion on that makes me an idiot… yeah…
TOBF – whats the saying to those who much is given much is required
guess that isnt true we sure lambasted the rev as well
Tiger… the ball reached 1st before Prado. If he had gotten to the bag at the same time as the ball, the 1st baseman would not have been able to even get to the ball, it would have been an error on the throw, which seems more logical to me anyway. The pitcher threw the ball to the wrong side of the bag. The 1st baseman had to try to catch it the way he did because if he had tried to go to the other side of the bag in order to catch it, or if he had left his arm extended in that direction any longer there would have been a collision. Of course, the scoring of the hit was made after the game was over. I just have not heard an explanation of the ruling.
September 3rd, 201210:58 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan: ask Nolie, he’ll remember, I don’t care if you didn’t see anything in 5 minutes of skimming, which was pretty retarded, in and of itself…
September 3rd, 201210:59 pm
The Tech Schools going to the wire.
CB – Quit pacing.
September 3rd, 201211:00 pm
the GT uniforms will take some getting used to. Miss the gold helmets
huge 4th down play there
September 3rd, 201211:01 pm
Actually, I thought the Uggla signing was a good one at the time. And I think Frank Wren is a pretty good GM. I don’t think that highly of Fredi though. Or of your opinions either. But opinions are like a part of our anatomy, everybody has one.
But to be clear, any fan that grades all deals his GM makes with hindsight are fairly useless as far as making any meaningful blog comments, in my humble opinion.
But go ahead and live your fantasy life………..Have a nice life. Please try not to hurt yourself, ok.
CB – I’d be pacing, now.
September 3rd, 201211:02 pm
I did a search for your name, Bravesfan… unless you were using a different name that you haven’t told me.
I clicked through all the articles, showed all comments, and did a wordsearch for your name… nothing came up. If you want to show me exactly what post, how about you link it for me… I’m not reading through 10,000 comments just to find your post(s).
I don’t care if you didn’t see anything in 5 minutes of skimming, which was pretty retarded, in and of itself…
September 3rd, 201211:04 pm
CB – I’d be saying one of them golf words.
September 3rd, 201211:09 pm
Time to tune in Fox News and catch up on the world. Later folks!
September 3rd, 201211:10 pm
I said as soon as it was announced that this deal would go down badly and there are plenty of folks on here during the day that will back me up on that so screw your “hindsight” DS1. FW is a lousy GM, Baltimore hit a low-point under him, and so have we (since the 90’s), so you 2 goobers can ESAD as far as I’m concerned, and once again, I don’t care if you “couldn’t find anything” in the hours you’ve spent searching, I don’t need your approval any more than I need anyone else’s approval to know that Dan Uggla sucks DDD…
September 3rd, 201211:12 pm
CB – Maybe a Toddy?
September 3rd, 201211:13 pm
tells a lot about Uggla’s tenacity…..
September 3rd, 201211:14 pm
when its sleepy time down south…
September 3rd, 201211:15 pm
Time to tune in Fox News and catch up on the world. Later folks!
Well, that explains the previous really dumb comment. I guess it can get dumber after all.
September 3rd, 201211:16 pm
Ah I really appreciate you tone Bravesfan… I haven’t even insulted you. But….
If you want to prove something to me, you need to have the damn proof. I’m not going to spend 5 hours reading all 10k posts to find your 1 comment… you find it for me.
I don’t care if you need my approval. I don’t need your approval either.
September 3rd, 201211:17 pm
TOBF — I did find some of my posts to confirm I did not like the trade and it was mainly because of Uggla’s defense. But there were a ton of people ready to anoint Frank King of Georgia.
September 3rd, 201211:19 pm
No problem, I do tolerate folks with opposing views than mine.
September 3rd, 201211:21 pm
CB – Only for medicinal purposes of course.
September 3rd, 201211:22 pm
GT messed up…now it will probably go to the Hokies and, with that I’m off to my bed. Good night all.
September 3rd, 201211:23 pm
Dan’s ability to turn on pitches left over the plate makes him an excellent mistake hitter. The fact that he has become a bona fide slugger playing half his games in a notorious pitcher’s park says a lot. Dan can be a good situational hitter. He understands how to work counts and adjust his approach depending on the variables he encounters…His hands and feet are quick enough to turn double plays, although his best position will always be hanging over home plate.
Sounds good to me!
September 3rd, 201211:30 pm
Again, the issue was not the trade.
The issue was the blind extension. That should never have happened.
Something happens when players change teams. Look how long it took Pujols to get adjusted. Unfortunately, Uggla has set new records for futility for the money he makes.
September 3rd, 201211:32 pm
The A Bomb
November 16th, 2010
GovClintonTyree — I saw Earl Williams hit 33 in 1971….we were 82-80.
Whoop de doo….
c- below average defense
1b – potentially strong defense
2b – horrible defense
ss – extremely overrated defense
3b – “For The Love of the Game” defense
I hope we lead the NL in strikeouts next season because guys like Lowe are going to lead the league in unearned runs allowed. (If he’s here, of course).
September 3rd, 201211:34 pm
Wow, that was weird… I had 3 of his posts…
The A Bomb November 19th, 2010
Wren says Uggla’s defense is “solid”……Just gave away my comedy club tickets for the weekend because I can’t stop laughing….Unearned runs kill playoff runs.
The A Bomb
November 16th, 2010
Nothing like improving our middle infield defense. Ugh-la.
I was able to find some of A Bomb’s posts within 5 mins…. still nothing for you, BFS80s.
September 3rd, 201211:35 pm
Yep — I’m a defense and speed guy. Haven’t changed.
I forgot what I was responding to. I don’t think Uggla has been horrible.
Never an A-Gon fan, don’t like Mac’s defense, Chipper getting up there — yep that’s me.
“That was one small step for Fredi, one giant leap for Atlanta .”
September 3rd, 201211:36 pm
Admittedly, he’s been better than that. But he still SUCKS going up the middle.
September 3rd, 201211:40 pm
Angelo, that’s no credit to Neil Armstrong, who frankly deserves better.
September 3rd, 201211:41 pm
And after all the “rifs” on Clint Eastwood lately. But Armstrong deserves a whole lot better.
September 3rd, 201211:44 pm
RE: this blog – it’s about bloody time! If Uggla’s upset, he’s an idiot, because he’s been an absolute ZERO this season.
Now, the next person to get called into Fredi’s office has to be Brian McCann. He is hurt beyond our grasp. All the cortisone in the world with not heal a frayed/torn labrum and a cyst that throbs with pain every single day he swings a bat. He is DONE! He needs to be DL’d and Ross & Boscan need to carry the position the rest of the way. I am sick and tired of ailing or unproductive players who THINK starting is their birthright. And by the way??? A frayed/torn labrum is a permanent condition, not a temporary thing with an easy fix. If Frank Wren exercises the club option for McCann next year, Wren is an even bigger idiot than I could have ever fathomed. Love the guy, but he is damaged goods, and has to go elsewhere.
By the way? Chipper is a god!!! Heyward and Freeman would do well to understand that THAT is what the Braves need from them too the rest of the way. The come-from-behind victory on Sunday was Chipper’s way of saying that it CAN be done, but others must do their part. A new hero every day! Chipper cannot do it alone.
However, with Uggla and McCann locked on the bench, chances will only improve exponentially.
September 3rd, 201211:45 pm
I’m not a super regular on the blog, just occasional comments now and then……….
For me though I hated the Uggla trade then and still do now. We gave up Infante and Mike Dunn (Left handed pitcher folks) and now we’re straddled with an over muscled under performing possible head case distraction and $65 million 5 year contract………..
September 3rd, 201211:47 pm
G’Night guys… good game today, hope Tommy Hanson can bring us another W tomorrow (though I don’t see it happening). Who knows, maybe Fredi “benches” Hanson and has Teheran/Delgado start? It can only be better.
Later folks. Peace.
September 3rd, 201211:49 pm
Uggla sitting may be just the spark this team needs to get the order cranked up. Freddi didn’t just do this because he wanted to, he was told to you can bet on that. It’s amazing the things that happen when the seat starts to warm up late in the season and you see that career dissipation light start blinking….
September 3rd, 201211:51 pm
I have to disagree with anyone who opposes the decision to bench Uggla. As a fan, it’s like a breath of fresh air. I was on the Braves site earlier and an irate fan was saying Bobby would never have done something like this, and I agree. That’s been the problem with the mindset of this organization for quite some time. Possibly hurting the feelings of individual players came before doing what it takes to help the team win. As I said earlier today, I’m proud of Fredi for making this necessary move, although I called for it a couple of weeks ago.
That stuff about starting Reed Johnson hurting the bench was hilarious. How can you hurt the bench? The bench is there to provide replacements. Besides, we have an expanded bench now, so I’m sure Reed Johnson starting isn’t going to kill the team. I want to see Reed Johnson starting more often. The guy can rake.
September 3rd, 201211:54 pm
nolie (before the game today): “I’m calling BALLGAME just on that lineup…”
nolie, that’s why they play the game. By the way, Kris Medlen is a WINNER! I know that many were never high on the kid, but he is a Greg Maddux-like clone in the making. Nice mechanics, crafty assortment of pitches, and an absolute BULLDAWG!!! He finishes what he starts, and has become a lockdown, shutdown STOPPER for this team. To think that many of you wanted to package Medlen in a trade throughout THIS season; y’all need to eat a nicely seasoned portion of CROW.
This guy defies the metrics and measurements. You cannot measure heart and a willingness to win. Kris Medlen is a keeper, and he will enjoy a long and fruitful career, all along casting naysayers aside like the hitters he baffles.
September 3rd, 201211:56 pm
Who pitches the one game playoff?
September 3rd, 201211:58 pm
Yeah, a lot of the blog experts have had to eat crow over Medlen. I’m not one of them. .
September 3rd, 201211:59 pm
Oops, didn’t mean to call you BarvesFan. Typo (must have been thinking about Hanson pitching tomorrow).
September 4th, 201212:00 am
the GT uniforms will take some getting used to. Miss the gold helmets — brian
I think those white helmets with the honeycomb design are alternate helmets, not replacing the gold ones.
September 4th, 201212:02 am
ray k, I would hope Medlen.
September 4th, 201212:03 am
Let’s just hope the Braves have enough cushion that they can rest a guy (be it Hudson, Medlen, or whoever) for a start in the final week, to allow him to pitch the play-in game. And that whoever we’re playing doesn’t have that luxury.
September 4th, 201212:04 am
True, Mike. Hopefully, we aren’t in a final game crunch like the past two seasons.
September 4th, 201212:05 am
I think everyone would be in the ‘pen for the one-gamer — minus the pitcher who throws Wednesday in Pittsburgh.
If we get it clinched Braves could throw anyone in that playoff. Has to be a desperate, short leash.
September 4th, 201212:07 am
Anyone, A Bomb? Hanson? (I cringe at the thought)
September 4th, 201212:08 am
You made several statements about the shoulder issues Mac has…………and most of it was bogus…..When you say it is a permanent condition you are wrong if you think there is no surgical “fix”…….. The site below details the options for surgery for a labrum tear……
And this cool one for the frayed labrum…..check the animated description of the sureger….
And I’m betting that Frank and the Braves will not extend Mac’s contract if the outlook for his shoulder is such to elimnate the possibilty of him playing at a high level.
Teams required that ballplayers have physicals for their contracts when they make trades or new signings……….and of course they know Mac’s ills pretty well…….
September 4th, 201212:10 am
Well Hanson would be in line — maybe 12th in line, but you’d have to consider ANYONE to pitch in a playoff with no tomorrow.
I did not expect the Braves to make the playoffs this season. Hey Fredi, here’s an idea. Let’s take this newfound desire to have logic and sense guide your baseball decisions in this unexpected season and take those stones for a spin. In a one-game play-in/playoff game, the answer is logical.
Kris Medlen. The bullpen can take the day off and rest for the NLDS. Finally, a true shutdown pitcher!
September 4th, 201212:11 am
Course no shoulder surgery for Mac until the off season for sure, but the cortisone can help him calm it down.
Mac’s eyes seem to me to be at least as big if not bigger problem long term
September 4th, 201212:12 am
We have a weekly radio show here in L.A. called Weekend Warriors — host is a renowned orthopedic surgeon at Cedar Sinai Hospital.
He says cortisone shots are the kiss of death — should be avoided at all costs. Mac is hurting his career by doing this.
If we get to Hanson, all is lost, A Bomb.
September 4th, 201212:16 am
the truth: a surgical fix for you and me means that a torn/frayed labrum is not something that will adversely affect our quality of life. However, for a baseball player who has to swing and throw for seven months in a bad year, eight in a good campaign, that’s another story. If you are willing to spend $12 million-plus on that gambit, be my guest. The litany of players who have had difficulty recovering from such a malady debunks all the cutesy videos and rose-colored views when it comes to an ELITE MLB player.
So Brian is hurting his career by trying to be there for his team. It would be nice if some of the bloggers who rag on him all the time heard that, A Bomb.
September 4th, 201212:20 am
Yes — I’m just relating what this doctor — Dr. Robert Klapper — says about cortisone shots. Not the path to long-term recovery.
September 4th, 201212:23 am
And it’s a shame the Braves are condoning this. He should shut it down.
September 4th, 201212:25 am
I read a bit about the cortisone shots and one Othopod recommends no more than three….
I know a bit about the head Doc for the Braves; Joe Chandler ( a friend was a VP for the Braves, Hawks, etc from Ted’s early days until he retired a few years ago). Chandler knows his stuff and I’m sure he would not recommend the Braves do these proceedures endlessly. I’d think the shots are a stop gap to get him through the season and then they can do surgery in the off season if needed.
Like I said….the eyes bother me more, especially long term and since hitting is the issue..
September 4th, 201212:31 am
Yeah I understand about the difference between a professional athlete ordinary guys……..plus I’m over 65 so I can for sure tell you about the aging and deteriorating body.
The “cutesy” video didn’t seem “Cute” to me, but an indepth illustration of the proceedures involved.
The first link is from Johns Hopkins Hospital Orthopedics and specifically discusses these surgeries and athletes…..
Tommy John surgery is a common as a tonsilectomy these days, so I’d defer to the elite medical pros.
September 4th, 201212:41 am
Any one note the hand doctor that handled Simmons hand? He is Dr. Greg Laurie and is principal in the Hand and Upper Extremity Center….
I cut a tendon in my left thumb in 2005 and had to have hand micro surgery to have it repaired. Laurie didn’t do it and I don’t remember which Dr. did….one of the young ones ….if you note the bios you’ll see they all are Harvard School of Medicine trained as well as other schools..
So I think the Braves, Falcons and professional sports teams that pay athletes millions of dollars do their homework when taking care of their “assets” which are the players….
Dr. Laurie and the other principal Dr. Costas are premer doctors in thier field….I’ll bet that the pro teams get their advice from elite doctors like these and not from a “radio doc”
September 4th, 201212:47 am
Klapper? Cedars Sinai? You know little about SoCal. Believe me, he’s a legit surgeon.
ESPN just hired him to do a 2-hour show on Saturday mornings. This guy works on the Lakers, Dodgers etc….
September 4th, 201212:49 am
But thanks for the info — interesting.
I don’t get the idea that cortisone is a healthy course of treatment for a catcher who’s under joint stress for a living.
September 4th, 201212:59 am
I lived in the LA area in the 60’s and early 70’s….I am aware of the fine doctors and hospitals there….all I was pointing out is that doctors from Duke and Harvard aren’t exactly chopped liver pal….
If you think the major sports teams have hacks working on their players you are a bit confused.
Of course Mac’s shoulder is a big deal…….but you gotta also consider that his future days in the game if he continues will have to be more of a DH role….and if he goes that route his eyes are going to be his problem, not throwing to 2nd.
Time will tell….personally I would play Ross and Reed Johnson and sit Mac for like 60% of the remainder of the season at least…..sit Uggla 90% and only meaningless pinch hitting here and there………try to rest Mac and keep Uggla away from all of it if he’s going to have an attitude and become a cancer……
September 4th, 20121:05 am
I did read about Dr. Robert Klapper and he is surely a well known and respected doc………and again the teams out there are going to have their “local” experts as well……Duke, Cedars-Sinai, Harvard Medical, Johns Hopkins…..I’d trust them for sure….
Too bad for Mac, but his longevity behind the plate has been quesionable anyway as he ages as he is not the most physically gifted catcher in MLB. His biggest asset behind the plate is between his ears
(UNLIKE UGGLA’S WHOSE STRONGEST MUSCLES ARE DEFINITELY NOT ABOVE HIS NECK)
For Mac to play many more years he has to see……hit …. and play something other than catcher…..
September 4th, 20121:07 am
I’d take Omar over Dan any day of the week. I appreciate the way Uggs plays the game in terms of effort and hustle, but this isn’t what we’re paying 62 million for. Despite his hitting streak and his homers he’s hit lately, this is the right move by Fredi.
Chipper= wow. Unbelievable on Sunday. Good win today, and Medlen pitched another masterpiece. Let’s keep big mo going. Tough schedule down the stretch with the Phils surging and the Nats looming after the Rockies and Brewers this week and next.
September 4th, 20121:08 am
Agreed…the cortisone isn’t a long term fix for Mac….but as lots of those pros will tell you it can do short term “miracles”
Again….seeing him standing at the plate opening and closing his eyes….squinting and straining…. I’m thinking this ain’t going on indefinitely….you can’t see, you can’t hit…………..
September 4th, 20121:09 am
got to go for tonight gang….
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