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Disgusted
September 1st, 2012
10:51 pm
booing is actually good for you as long as you don’t get too carried away. doesn’t mean you have to get personally nasty to a player.
I agree Nolie & I would never hate on a player personally. Right now I am frustrated with B Mac and I hope I am wrong but I honestly see his overall skills in decline. This is 2 yrs in a row where he has been not healthy and ineffective late in the season.
I can see Uggla maybe turning it around cause he is healthy but B-Mac and his leaving men on base — he is not the B-Mac he used to be.
Uggs is doing the job on D while B-Mac is struggling behind the plate in part due to the shoulder. It has to be due to injury. Not lack of hustle.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 1st, 2012
10:53 pm
Nolie = mean bastard
ChattTownBrian
September 1st, 2012
10:53 pm
Disgusted, we thank you for that. No you didn’t say anything wrong. By the way I’m feeling the same way as you on the state of the team. It’s a helpless feeling and that’s because we love our team. Let’s hope for the best, expect another crash and burn. We can bi*** and moan all offseason about their meltdown. We’ll have plenty to talk about.
nolie, you’re a delicate red rose.
jeffrey d
September 1st, 2012
10:57 pm
it is less painful being a regular pessimist. if things go bad you are already at least partially prepared for it, and if they go good, it is a special treat
I used to be like that. Prepare for the worst and when the worst doesn’t happen….bonus!
But I learned that being too invested in something I don’t have control over can be a destructive and miserable way to live. If I put all my hopes in the Braves, then what happens to my life when they don’t win the World Series?
Dadgum.......
September 1st, 2012
10:57 pm
Fredi sitting Bourn tonight was just plain stupid. I mean seriously this guy is just not getting it done as manager. You don’t sit Bourn in a pivotal race to the finish. Who you sit is either McCann or Uggla. Forget the matchup with Lee, you simply don’t sit Bourn. Nobody can defend that stupid move. The move to make was put Johnson in LF, Bourn in CF, and Prado at 2nd. Sit Uggla period. End of story. Fredi is no better than a AA manager at best. Absolutely disgusting.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 1st, 2012
10:59 pm
Dadgum, i can’t say i totally disagree…..
jeffrey d
September 1st, 2012
10:59 pm
Fredi sitting Bourn tonight was just plain stupid
Yes, let’s ride the productive guys to the ground like last year since that worked so well.
Disgusted
September 1st, 2012
11:00 pm
The one thing we have going that is good is the young nucleus and a farm system that has the ability to keep this org from falling into what Pittsburgh was till this yr and KC still is KC until they actually go out and post us a respectable season.
We really need to develop a power pitching ACE from within th system, we thought we had that with Hanson but since the shoulder injury the stuff, location and mound presence is not the same.
I do not know if he can get the velocity back. That is why you have to have a draft. And you never never have too much pitching in your org as we have seen with injuries we have had to our pitchers.
Medlen looks like a bullog type and might be a young Tim Hudson or Maddux type.
Disappointing game by Huddy today. We need him
richbrave
September 1st, 2012
11:00 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
LYNCHBURG
HILLCATS fall to PELICANS 2-3.
RHSP MIKE LEE [L 3-3, 3.93 ERA] 4.1 IP, 5 H, 3 R/ER, 1 BB, 5 SO.
LHRP CHASEN SHREVE [2.15 ERA] 1.2, no-hits, 1 BB, 1 SO.
RHRP RYNE HARPER [1.83 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 2 BB, 3 SO.
3B ED SALCEDO [.235 BA] 1-4, 1 2B [26], 1 SO.
SS NICK AHMED [.265 BA] 2-4, 1 2B [35], 1 SO, 1 CS [10].
LF ADAM MILLIGAN [.258 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR [15], 2 RBI [49], 1 SO.
RF DAVID ROHM [.237 BA] 2-4, 2 SO.
ChattTownBrian
September 1st, 2012
11:01 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan and Jerry, thanks guys. I really do appreciate it.
Yeah there’s moments when I just get an overwhelming sadness, scared feeling in me, but there’s a reason why things happen in life. I just hope I can help somebody on down the road who needs it because I’ll know the feelings.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 1st, 2012
11:01 pm
As long as Moylan is happy….
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 1st, 2012
11:03 pm
Fredi sitting Bourn tonight was just plain stupid.
0-15 against Lee lifetime… and he needs a day off anyway. He’ll be back tomorrow
Disgusted
September 1st, 2012
11:03 pm
I will trust Fredi’s judgement on Bourn, there might have been something behind the scene we did not know about.
Hey, we got beat, Huddy had an off game & we did not hit with RISP. That is why we lost.
Not hitting with RISP is killing us as of late. That is the honest truth.
Disgusted
September 1st, 2012
11:03 pm
I will trust Fredi’s judgement on Bourn, there might have been something behind the scene we did not kow about.
Hey, we got beat, Huddy had an off game & we did not hit with RISP. That is why we lost.
Not hitting with RISP is killing us as of late. That is the honest truth.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 1st, 2012
11:04 pm
Brian – in my thoughts too…had a cousin experience it at term.
Disgusted
September 1st, 2012
11:05 pm
Silly double post — hit the submit button twice i guess
Dadgum.......
September 1st, 2012
11:06 pm
Well, let’s just see who we sit tomorrow while again we score next to nothing. Oh please let’s stop with the running them in the ground crap. Play freakin ball with your best players. Man up and play the game for goodness sakes. McCann and Uggla need to be benched and see less work. They are killing us. Not Bourn. Fredi blows this lead and he is toast. You have to go back 6 series to find one we have won. Just terrible.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 1st, 2012
11:06 pm
0-15?
Pathetic…
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 1st, 2012
11:07 pm
Not hitting with RISP is killing us as of late.
Not hitting much at all, RISP or not, is killing us.
vitriol spewer (phil)
September 1st, 2012
11:08 pm
I agree with man up and play….
Enough with the stinkin off days. Ridiculous.
ChattTownBrian
September 1st, 2012
11:13 pm
phil, thank you.
JAFO
September 1st, 2012
11:16 pm
Tip your cap to no more tipping of the cap and those moronic emoticons.
Dadgum.......
September 1st, 2012
11:16 pm
I don’t care if Bourn was 0-20 against Lee the fact remains he is the best option at lead off obviously. I’m just saying Fredi made a bad decision on the roster tonight. Maybe we lose anyway but we need Bourn leading off with Johnson playing LF and Bourn 2nd. Everyone can get a day off on an off day. They are making millions so play the damn game. Day off my big ole butt. Please.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 1st, 2012
11:26 pm
Do you work at your job 7 days a week? Or do you get some days off?
Screw days off….
JAFO
September 1st, 2012
11:29 pm
And the b10 proves its relevancy yet again.
Playoffs!!!
September 1st, 2012
11:34 pm
I think it’s time to go to straight platoon at some postions— catcher- McCann only starts against righhanders. Heyward/Reed Johnson in rightfield. Mc Cann and Heyward have real low numbers against lefty pitching. I would leave Bourne in there almost every day, even thought he is dreadful against lefty pitching too, But he runs down everything in centefield, and we need his defense..
Sorry, you just gotta play the percentages the rest of the way. I would still play Uggla almost every day because there’s a chance for some sudden power.
One more bad start and Hanson has to exit the starting rotation in favor of Delgado. How come he wasn’t added to the expanded roster yet? Even if you don’t have him starting, he would be good for long relief. Or one of those extra-inning games, where all are good short relievers have been used, and we need somebody to pitch multiple innings and we don’t want it to Cory Gearin or somebody like that.
Ok, I’ve solved all the problems, everyone can rest easy.
Ryan
September 1st, 2012
11:40 pm
No complaining tomorrow as we know Maholm will give up two homers. Sad that we traded a .300 hitter Infante for a .200 Uggla.We need to build this team around Freeman,Heyward and Simmons and good -bye to rest on pitching Medlen Krimbel Delgado and Teheran.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 1st, 2012
11:41 pm
I would leave Bourne in there almost every day, even thought he is dreadful against lefty pitching
Hasn’t been dreadful this year… .276/.341/.399/.740 against LHP
Career line of .249/.304/.338/.642 vs. LHP. However, in recent history, 2010 was his only really bad year against LHP, when he hit .229 against them.
brian
September 1st, 2012
11:45 pm
I have no problem with resting Bourn tonight. He needs more rest to stay fresh at the end of the season. It is one of the advantages of getting Reed Johnson. Perfect spot to rest him – day game after a night game that went into extras and against a tough lefty.
I was surprised to see McCann in there today
Playoffs!!!
September 1st, 2012
11:46 pm
By the way, we ARE NOT going to blow it this year.
It took a “perfect storm” of circumstance and events last year for that to happen. A good example is how the Phillies played against the Cardinals down the stretch VERSUS how they played against the Braves.
Does anyone remember that in the first game of a four game series v. the Cardinals in Sept. , the Phillies clinch the NL East. Then they give all their starters the next three games offf, and the Cardinals take ALL three games.
Then, a couple of weeks later, the Phillies decide to get serious again so they will be ready for the playoffs. And when they play the Braves in the last series of the year. They play every single one of their starters in all the games—and all of them, including Howard and Utley, in ALL 13 innings of that last game. Guess they were trying to enter the playoffs on a roll… (lotta good that did them!).
So I don’t see stuff like that happening again.
jeffrey d
September 1st, 2012
11:46 pm
Oh please let’s stop with the running them in the ground crap.
What about the hitless against Lee crap? If Fredi had batted Bourn leadoff you’d be complaining about that too
brian
September 1st, 2012
11:50 pm
since I love playing GM………….
If the Braves lose tomorrow, I would fire Fredi G. It just has not worked out for 1 reason or another. I would make either TP or Eddie Perez interim manager. I would also fire Roger. To replace the pitching coach I would beg Maddux (or Glavine or Smoltz) to come back as pitching coach for the rest of this year – 1-2 month committment, Chipper’s last year, help their old teammate Perez or TP, etc. If Eddie was manager I would try to get Maddux as pitching coach, Glavine assistant pitching coach (getting him to work with Minor and Maholm while also having Gilmartin travel with the team to work with Glavine) and I would try and get Smoltz bullpen coach. It is a pipe dream but to get those 3 on board, even for just a month, would be incredible. Great way for Chipper to go out.
With the team we have and this being Chipper’s last year, I would be aggressive and go for it.
brian
September 1st, 2012
11:50 pm
since I love playing GM………….
If the Braves lose tomorrow, I would fire Fredi G. It just has not worked out for 1 reason or another. I would make either TP or Eddie Perez interim manager. I would also fire Roger. To replace the pitching coach I would beg Maddux (or Glavine or Smoltz) to come back as pitching coach for the rest of this year – 1-2 month committment, Chipper’s last year, help their old teammate Perez or TP, etc. If Eddie was manager I would try to get Maddux as pitching coach, Glavine assistant pitching coach (getting him to work with Minor and Maholm while also having Gilmartin travel with the team to work with Glavine) and I would try and get Smoltz bullpen coach. It is a pipe dream but to get those 3 on board, even for just a month, would be incredible. Great way for Chipper to go out.
With the team we have and this being Chipper’s last year, I would be aggressive and go for it.
NO MORE FREDI
September 1st, 2012
11:50 pm
Told you back in May this team would let you down.
Francona or Smoltz in 2013
NO MORE FREDI
September 1st, 2012
11:53 pm
Thank you Disgusted for calling it like it is with Mac. I said Braves should not resign him because I see him on the downward side of his career and people jumped all over me on here. I love my Braves too but isn’t this about having the best team on the field. Mac no longer fits in that discussion.
jeffrey d
September 1st, 2012
11:56 pm
Told you back in May this team would let you down.
Francona or Smoltz in 2013
You know, any rational fan knows that losing streaks are a part of the game. And any rational fan knows that the Braves still hold a 4 game lead in the Wild Card.
oooooh…..”rational”…..that’s the problem here. Carry on with the irrational and the crazy.
The A Bomb
September 1st, 2012
11:57 pm
What bothers me more about Mac than the digression is I don’t feel he’s emerging as a team leader at this point in his career. With his resume he could have easily taken that role. Unfortunately, he’s always too preoccupied with nagging injuries to have time to assume command.
Don’t expect he’ll be in Atlanta much longer. He will rebound as a C/DH sometime soon. Maybe in pinstripes?
jeffrey d
September 2nd, 2012
12:00 am
holy crap….
Brava
September 2nd, 2012
12:03 am
Unnamed poster to Uggla: Go to hell!
Still harping on this TOBF? Feel free to use my name the next time. I don’t give a damn.
brian
September 2nd, 2012
12:06 am
a historic collapse last year and underperforming this year….Goal is not simply to just make a 1 game play off.
This team has been one of the streakiest teams I can remember.
Capt.Mudd
September 2nd, 2012
12:15 am
Hello–anybody out there?
uga-brave
September 2nd, 2012
12:31 am
tater,
domination.
uga-brave
September 2nd, 2012
12:36 am
bama,
unreal.
bring it no way they get beat outside the conference.
said in the nc game bring on the ducks or usc.
no way either beats bama.
NO MORE FREDI
September 2nd, 2012
12:43 am
Ward will show up on here around 2AM when he is done killing people.
NO MORE FREDI
September 2nd, 2012
12:45 am
brian – Wrong blog but I agree with you. Can’t speak the truth on here or the rednecks rip you apart.
uga-brave
September 2nd, 2012
12:46 am
so the most overated star in atlanta history continues to let his teamates down.
King of Carrot Flowers
September 2nd, 2012
12:59 am
More bad September baseball by the Braves. Fredi could very well be in his final month of managing this team. Lots of questionable decisions again. No sense of urgency. Bourn is resting up for…what exactly? The blind hurt left-handed catcher plays against Lee over the rested healthy right-handed one, who apparently sees well enough. The infield plays back while down 4-0, conceding another run. Janish is allowed to make the final out of the game. Not good. Not good.
Oh well, I enjoyed half an inning of today’s game, at least. Welcome back, Peter.
SNEAKY PETE
September 2nd, 2012
1:31 am
Can’t speak the truth on here or the rednecks rip you apart..@No More Fredi
oh yeah, the non-haters are the rednecks.
Ward
September 2nd, 2012
1:35 am
Hello everyone! Decided to come back for a few post. Man I heard enough! A few nights ago was called a idiot, and a nut for coming down on Hanson, and I take it back what I said…….all this whining sounds like a broken record, or a bad movie script. Baseball players are human too. We have 29 games left. I don’t like to lose either, and it is what it is. Nothing is going to stop me from believing in them. Win or lose it’s baseball, and it should be fun.
Ward
September 2nd, 2012
1:41 am
We will have our day. It’s coming …..might take a while, but the Braves will rise again. We still have the wild card, so let’s all be cool.
Ward
September 2nd, 2012
1:44 am
All have a good one! Peace my friends from the heart, and Let’s keep hope, and keep believing…….Believe it will happen. Talk tomorrow, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Astral
September 2nd, 2012
1:45 am
NMFredi is NMBobby, just continuing his angry hatred of Braves managers, wasting your time he will never change or make any sense.
jeffrey d
September 2nd, 2012
1:45 am
so the most overated star in atlanta history continues to let his teamates down.
Which one is that?
Astral
September 2nd, 2012
1:45 am
Way to be upbeat, Ward
Astral
September 2nd, 2012
1:46 am
Uggla or McCann?
I don’t think he is a fan of either
The A Bomb
September 2nd, 2012
1:50 am
After 3+ years around here I’m starting to figure it out. There are 4 types on this blog…
1. The morning geniuses who all believe they are THE SMARTEST PEOPLE ever conceived. Some are test tube babies. Most of them met at a Star Trek convention, I suspect half of them have learned Klingon to go with their BABIP and UZR babble. NEVER wrong. All claim to be related to Einstein in some way…
2. The people with a take (like myself) — usually longtime Braves fans who’ve seen the team’s ups and downs and know players prior to Dale Murphy without looking it up online. You know who you are. The most passionate. Most will go out on a limb and be ripped for it (or ignored) but probably the most knowledgable about Braves history. People with a life. People who remember and have survived 100+ loss seasons. Usually called haters by others. Who cares.
3. The wise people who usually never have a take, but italicize the takes of Group #2 and proceed to either (a) make fun of it or (b) end it with some kind of mildly personal attack designed to rile up those people. Generally intelligent, but usually people who love to argue. Sort of a hybrid between Groups 1 and 2. Usually blog winners in terms of number of posts — although group #1 delivers that category as well.
4. People with posters of the Clampetts in their room and generally speaking, people eliminated from the National Spelling Bee at birth.
As the Braves continue to tease us, please observe these four groups in action. Very entertaining.
jeffrey d
September 2nd, 2012
1:54 am
Usually called haters by others. Who cares.
Called haters because they go crazy about the smallest little thing happening against the Braves.
Capt.Mudd
September 2nd, 2012
1:55 am
A breath of fresh air….Ward…..Up, Up and Away….In my beautiful baloon.
Capt.Mudd
September 2nd, 2012
1:55 am
Enter your comments here
Capt.Mudd
September 2nd, 2012
1:57 am
Hot Dogs and balloons for the kids….baseball on Sunday in Atlanta….memories/love……
John Leonard
September 2nd, 2012
3:04 am
I wonder who does the Ward thing?I have a guess because of the time thing,whats yours?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
3:21 am
Still harping on this TOBF? Feel free to use my name the next time. I don’t give a damn.
musta missed the smiley.
74bravesjersey
September 2nd, 2012
7:03 am
A brand new day, & there’s love in the air, something big is gonna happen, something fresh AHHHH!
Couch Tater
September 2nd, 2012
7:08 am
uga – The coach will be mad at the clock management at the end of the 1st half. Got beat deep twice late in the game. They’ll be running the stadium steps.
Tell the wife, I watched her Alma Mater. Sad. Felt bad for the players, cheerleaders and fans who’ve been lumped into the dump. The runner that bailed may get his 3 years in the NFL. He could have been set for life in Pennsylvania.
richbrave
September 2nd, 2012
7:25 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
TIDES win 4-3
Lead-off CF LUIS DURANGO ;.291 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 SAC, 1 SB [46].
2B TERRY TIFFEE [.312 BA] 3-4, 1 2B [8], 1 RBI [19].
LF JOSH KROEGER [.269 BA] 1-2, 1 R, 1 2B [24], 1 RBI[ 37], 2 BB, 1 CS [6].
LHS/RP DAN RODRIGUEZ [1.50 ERA] 3.0 IP, 5 H, 1 HR, 1 R/ER, 4 BB, 1 SO.
This is the MEXICAN pitcher we acquired a month back.
LHRP COLE McCURRY [4.73 ERA] 2.1 IP, 0 H, 1 R/ER, 2 BB, 1 SO.
LHRP ANTHONY VARVARO [BS 2, 2.23 ERA] 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 3 BB, 0 SO.
RHRP CORY GEARRIN [L 3-3, 2.30 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 0 BB, 0 SO.
toast
September 2nd, 2012
7:44 am
blame fredi all you want but at the end of the day(or season) if this team falls short again it’s the guys out there(7 same starters from last September) that haven’t got the job done. whatever they think of fredi, this is one them. get together in the clubhouse make a pact for chipper, hell start doing shots in the clubshouse ala 2004 red sox. whatever, pull it together and get it done. this cannot repeat of last september.
richbrave
September 2nd, 2012
7:48 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
MISSISSIPPI
Double-header at MOBILE BAY. BAY BEARS take the first 1-0, Bandits board and capture the second 5-1
First Game
JOSE LUGO twirls a six-hit one-run complete game and loses.
LHSP JOSE LUGO [L 3-4, 3.02 ERA] 6.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R/ER, 6 BB, 5 SO.
1B JOE TERDOSLAVICH [.311 BA] 1-3.
3B JOE LEONARD [.263 BA] 1-3.
SS JAIME PEDROZA [.194 BA] 1-3, 2 SS.
LF AL CARRITHERS [.308 BA] 2-2, 1 BB, 1 E [1, fielding].
Second Game
1B JOE TERDOSLAVICH [.314 BA] 2-4, 1 R, 1 HR [5], 1 RBI [49].
C EVAN ‘BigJim’ GATTIS [.263 BA] 1-2, 1 R, 1 HR [7], 2 RBI [31], 1 BB, 1 SF.
LF TIM SMITH [.295 BA] 1-2, 1 BB.
2B AL CARRITHERS [.314 BA] 2-3, 1 R.
SS JASON CHRISTIAN [.212 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 SO.
P DAVID HALE [.111 BA] 1-3, 1 RBI [2], 1 SO.
RHSP DAVID HALE [W 8-4, 3.77 ERA] 5.1 IP, 5 H, zeors, 1 BB, 5 SO.
LHRP MIKE TARSI [H 2, 2.00 ERA] 0.2 IP, perfection, 1 SO.
RHRP ERIK CORDIER [20.25 ERA] 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 2 SO.
Whew! ERIK lowers his ERA this outing.
CB
September 2nd, 2012
7:55 am
John Leonard, it doesn’t work that way. You make your guess and then we will make ours.
toast
September 2nd, 2012
8:14 am
if dodgers get in, they deserve it. schedule is b r u t a l !
Lew
September 2nd, 2012
8:51 am
Somewhere in the midst of the nightly meltdown, someone mentioned being objective. Just WTF does objectivity have to do with anything? We’re baseball fans. There’s no objectivity in baseball fandom.
Birdhair
September 2nd, 2012
8:51 am
Might go down to monument grove today and hold my Fire Frank Wren sign
Jeff R
September 2nd, 2012
8:52 am
The Phils are playing spoilers, all right. Let’s hop the Braves are touching bottom this weekend and are on an upswing thereafter.
Art
September 2nd, 2012
8:58 am
Hey Freddie, this years team is playing like last years team in September and we all remember what happened then. What are you going to do to shock this team back to playing good. If not I guess the Braves will have a new direction in 13
Birdhair
September 2nd, 2012
9:14 am
The best solution is to fire Wren and search for a GM who actually values OBP and understand how to get the best bang for your buck. An ideal candidate would vehemently disagree with the signings of KK, lowe and extension given to Uggla as they would understand that better value could have easily been found elsewhere. The candidate would understand that inserting low OBP garbage ends innings and stifles run production.
FG has done a commendable job, but if the new GM could somehow convince Maddux to take over in the dugout then make the move. I understand that’s highly unlikely, but you have to make a convincing call and offer.
VaBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
9:50 am
Birdhair
The Braves have the most walks in all of baseball, with the 11th best OBP. Which is not too shabby.
Good indication of our downfall.. For August our team produced a 699 OPS which was 22nd and to note that were the only contending team not to be above 700.
Pitching has been great, in August we produced a 2.94 ERA which was 2nd best but only went 15-14 in that stretch which is flat out pathetic considering how well we pitched.
Birdhair
September 2nd, 2012
9:54 am
VaBravesFan,
You don’t get it, though. Whom has Wren brought in that has contributed to high obp production? Bourn was atrocious last season and has a had a good year, in a contract season. Outside Bourn, who can you point to and give Wren credit for? Ross is a back-up, but yes i agree that Wren should be applauded for him. But please help me here?
richbrave
September 2nd, 2012
9:57 am
Of course, the local FOX affiliate carried the NATIONALS game rather than the BRAVES yesterday. Typical. ESPN, MLBN none can be counted upon to adher to the pre-event schedule. TBS is the only channel which can be relied upon do what they say they’re going to do.
VaBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:00 am
It would be nice if Uggla was atleast slugging, which is what he was paid to do. Check out Adam Dunn.
So far Dunn is hitting 205/337/483 38 HR 88 RBI 190 K 94 BB
So far Uggla is hitting 208/340/373 17 HR 64 RBI 150 K 80 BB
Dan Uggla has a career 470 SLG, Career SLG before coming to Atlanta was 488 tho. We need the slugging Dan Uggla.
Jeff R
September 2nd, 2012
10:01 am
Outside Bourn, who can you point to and give Wren credit for? Ross is a back-up, but yes i agree that Wren should be applauded for him. But please help me here?
This isn’t making sense. The line up was pretty much set at the season’s start. Who was Wren going displace to bring others in? Freeman, Uggla (beginning of the season, not rear-view mirror analysis), Chipper, Prado, Heyward, McCann?
Wren did have Simmons called up, but he’s been injured. Could he have helped the OBP? Dunno.
Jeff R
September 2nd, 2012
10:01 am
Outside Bourn, who can you point to and give Wren credit for? Ross is a back-up, but yes i agree that Wren should be applauded for him. But please help me here?
This isn’t making sense. The line up was pretty much set at the season’s start. Who was Wren going displace to bring others in? Freeman, Uggla (beginning of the season, not rear-view mirror analysis), Chipper, Prado, Heyward, McCann?
Wren did have Simmons called up, but he’s been injured. Could he have helped the OBP? Dunno.
Jeff R
September 2nd, 2012
10:03 am
I double clicked accidentally… First time I’ve done that in ages.
VaBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:06 am
Birdhair
Liberty hasn’t given Wren any payroll flexibility to go out and make moves. Besides we have a great ball club. Our downfall is the terrible seasons by McCann, Uggla, and Hanson. Then throw in Beachy our best pitcher goes down. Then youngins going threw growing pains.
I truly believe that if McCann and Uggla produced anywhere around there career norms this season that we’d be within a game of the Nationals or possibly in 1st. Were talking about 2 veteran proven producers not earning there paychecks.
VaBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:09 am
There could potentially be seven managerial openings this winter with the Astros, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Indians, Phillies, Padres, and Rockies possibly looking to shake things up. While San Diego’s Bud Black is a well regarded manager, the Padres’ new ownership may look to install their own hire.
They should have added Atlanta to that list if we come up short again…
Birdhair
September 2nd, 2012
10:14 am
VaBravesFan,
Wren has tied his own hands by making poor spending decisions a la KK, Lowe, and Uggla. This were signings at very bad price points.
Wren could have signed Willingham for half the price that he’s paying Uggla. The bottom line is that we are winning in spite of Wren. JS is responsible for the players that are keeping us afloat. Wren has done nothing of positive significance to aid this club.
What is it going to take for fans like you to wake up and smell the coffee? Is it going to be another season missing the playoffs? We’re 1/4 under Wren thus far, and will likely be 1 season in 5 for playoff appearances under Wren. Wren walked into a gold-mine and has done nothing but stifle production and tie his own hands with dumb spending moves and his love for low obp players.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:18 am
The fact that the Braves have the 3rd or 4th best record in the NL, lead the WC race, and were as close as 4GB of the Nats recently, all while having:
an injured BMac hit .225
an Uggla that isn’t hitting or slugging
had Pastornicky start at SS at the beginning of the season
Simmons get hurt and being replaced by a non-hitting SS
SP that at times was less than stellar (JJ, Minor early)
A pitiful bench to start the season (Diaz, Hinske, Wilson, Juan)
Frank Wren put together a great team….. And while I’m not a big Fredi fan, he’s done a decent job. Admit it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:20 am
Our downfall is the terrible seasons by McCann, Uggla, and Hanson. Then throw in Beachy our best pitcher goes down.
Add Hanson (who has been sickening to watch) and Beachy to my list above…. can’t believe I forgot them.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:23 am
Wren walked into a gold-mine
That at the moment had no pitchers…. Freddie and Heyward were probably his too biggest prospects…. Oh and Schafer (he was a 1st round pick, and was well though of)
Wren rebuilt our pitching in the minors… good job Frank. Now he just needs to add some hitters, but we’ve just brought up 2 great hitters (Freeman and Heyward) possibly 3 (Simmons). Pitching is how we’re gonna stay competitive.
Birdhair
September 2nd, 2012
10:26 am
But Wren has done nothing to improve the team. Why dont we have any depth? Maholm was a neutral move, you cant say that he’s added consistent production that have led to wins. It’s the moves that wren could’ve or shouldve made. You’re blind to ignore that. He should’ve added Chase Headley or another consistent high obp producer.
Efrim
September 2nd, 2012
10:29 am
Jason Heyward is 2 for his last 21 and his OPS has dropped near 30 points over the last five games. Came out of nowhere, to be honest.
richbrave
September 2nd, 2012
10:30 am
Birdhair:
O.K. Mr. Regular Irregular, let’s see. Under the heading, “what have you done for me lately,” I’m assuming…..since the acquisition of BOURN, dead-line last season, but including trade player the REV.? Hmmm…….
All for 2012 only unless * or **
BAKER – .291 OBP
BOSCAN .264 OBP
BOURN – .349 OBP ATL ‘11/.348 OBP ATL ‘12 * Contract year
CONSTANZA – .222 OBP ATL/.380 OBP AAA
FRANCISCO – .297 OBP
JANISH – .271 OBP
JOHNSON – .328 OBP ATL/.355 CHC
OVERBAY – .367 OBP D-BACKS/.429 OBP AAA
PASTORNICKY – .293 OBP ATL./.317 AAA
Home growed
SIMMONS – .336 OBP ATL/.372 OBP AA
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:31 am
Maholm was a neutral move, you cant say that he’s added consistent production that have led to wins.
Got JJ out of the rotation… great move.
He should’ve added Chase Headley or another consistent high obp producer.
The Padres didn’t want to trade him… unless we’re trading half our farm.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:33 am
Jason Heyward is 2 for his last 21 and his OPS has dropped near 30 points over the last five games. Came out of nowhere, to be honest.
He’s a bum! DFA him…
Efrim
September 2nd, 2012
10:37 am
He’s a bum! DFA him…
He’s been near useless vs. LHP. .617 OPS – although the hits he has had have been big ones, IIRC. I’d consider sitting him today vs. Hamels, though.
Birdhair
September 2nd, 2012
10:38 am
Richbrave,
Throw in the following Wren historical collection for kicks: Julio Lugo, Greg Norton, Alex Grumpyface Gonzalez, Loaf Anderson, Nate McOut, Jack Wilson, Ruben Gotay, Joe Mather, Melky Cabrera, Rick Ankiel, Casey Kotchman and I think you’ve got a very strong comprehensive list of LOW OBP garbage players that Wren has either signed or traded for.
Jeff R
September 2nd, 2012
10:40 am
But Wren has done nothing to improve the team. Why dont we have any depth? Maholm was a neutral move, you cant say that he’s added consistent production that have led to wins. It’s the moves that wren could’ve or shouldve made. You’re blind to ignore that. He should’ve added Chase Headley or another consistent high obp producer.
More nonsense. Maholm has been a fine addition. Francisco has been an able backup at third. Janish has been a super defensive shortstop. Reed Johnson has longer term value if he’s retained (and I think he will be).
Wren’s made some good additions. I wasn’t high on the Uggla signing at the time. Kawakami was overrated. Lowe was a veteran starter with consistently good production (at that time) that the club needed.
Not a perfect record for Wren, but what GM has a perfect record?
flange1
September 2nd, 2012
10:41 am
How many high OPB part time players are there to be had, other than Reed Johnson?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 2nd, 2012
10:43 am
I’d consider sitting him today vs. Hamels, though.
As would I.
.167/.250/.222/.472 against Hamels lifetime… 3-18 with 2 BBs and 1 double… 7 Ks
richbrave
September 2nd, 2012
10:44 am
Birdhair
September 2nd, 2012
10:26 am
But Wren has done nothing to improve the team. Why dont we have any depth? Maholm was a neutral move, you cant say that he’s added consistent production that have led to wins. It’s the moves that wren could’ve or shouldve made. You’re blind to ignore that. He should’ve added Chase Headley or another consistent high obp producer.
Unless you’re JOHN S or someone within the organization how do you know he didn’t try to get CHASE HEADLEY or some other of your favs. STOP with the BS. We get it, you don’t like the job FW’s doing with this team. O.K. FRANK[ly]….heh….I like what WREN’s doing…..within the financial constraints he’s placed under.
UGGLA would not have signed without a long-term contract just like LOWE and KK. You either do or don’t in those circumstances, no choice once the negotiating is done. Picking the right players [WILLINGHAM et. al.] to represent failure in the selection process after the fact is patently unfair. Certainly the reason I would never pay mind to blogs such as these if I were FRANK WREN.
So go ahead and bitch, bitch, bitch. Nothing’s going to change unless you’re someone in the know behind that ‘Birdhair’ handle.
Birdhair
September 2nd, 2012
10:46 am
What did JS adeptly do year after year? He traded guys at peak value and brought in long-term solutions and he used his farm for trades accordingly.
Wren does not under how to spend wisely (see notes above. He’s tied his own hands with uggla, kk, and lowe) and as a result he’s limited our flexibility.
We should have been and could currently be much better than where we are had we hired the right GM.
Let’s face, making the 1 game play-in game isn’t making the playoffs. Losing in the first round is unacceptable.
Has Wren won a playoff series?
richbrave
September 2nd, 2012
10:48 am
BTW Birdhair:
Good choice of handles. The buzzards are circling on the pennant this year.