12:53 pm August 31, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
September 1st, 201212:36 am
Seas quite rough tonight…gale force winds abound…as lightning strikes the mast; this great sea appears……..who knows??? Is this Ship really sinking? Again, and with deep hurt…who knows???
September 1st, 201212:37 am
Just be glad going to sleep every wild card chaser lost too. I guess. I mean this team has a knack for the rotten shi**ers when it counts most. I really don’t care anymore. We can just watch is all. What’ll happen will happen. Movin on.
The A Bomb
Batting practice means nothing. Everyone’s loose and fraternizing.
Look at Bourn’s facial expressions the past 2 months. I’m not saying they’re going to miss the playoffs. I’m saying there’s a lot going on behind the scenes here we’re not privy to and the body language is telling.
And you’re dealing with the wrong guy if you think I’m lazy-thinking for one second. But as usual, you’re entitled to your opinion as wrong as it could be once in a million times.
September 1st, 201212:39 am
I just asked, because I didn’t know if it was safe for me to go into an “I hate Lane Kiffin” rant or not.
September 1st, 201212:40 am
So, a lot going on behind the scenes but we can tell what’s going on behind the scenes because of something like body language. Oh, please.
lazy? nah. prolly not.
emotion riden at times? yeah, seems so anyway
don sutton's poodle perm
john wayne was such a blowhard that if he talked to a chair, it would have blown over. eastwood is a wussy.
A-Bomb…I didn’t know you were a body-language expert. You got me there.
September 1st, 201212:41 am
actually, facial language too, it seems
September 1st, 201212:42 am
A Bomb – you are merely maintaining your own delusions – and I am not wrong on this one – you are espousing complete and utter nonsense, determining body language from 2500 miles away. Bourn’s facial expressions? Did you study him with the Astros to see what they looked like? I watched a guy dancing to Michael Jackson music Wednesday afternoon behind the batting cage. You are just spinning your own foolish hatred of Fredi every time you get a chance. I am not a Fredi backer – just someone who views things from a much more objective position than you do…sorry…
Ted Williams was the real John Wayne
September 1st, 201212:43 am
Tom O’Hawke was pleased to learn he still holds down the 66th position for the year…
Final gamer is up.
September 1st, 201212:44 am
Eastwood was sad the other night. Oldtimers disease creeping in perhaps?
I know the feeling…
never seen shaun post after 5, and before 8.
OK rainbows and lollipops Shaun.
You watch what you want. What I see is a manager who has different standards for vets than younger guys (not necessarily rookies). And young guys today aren’t like young guys 20-25 years ago. A lot don’t respond to mindf$%cking.
Read Gonzalez’s quotes about Minor back in April/May – quite telling.
September 1st, 201212:45 am
I hate Tom O’. he jilted me at the blog
Two hours of work, 4 hours of tailgate, 3 hours of game, dinner with sister and brother-in-law in from NYC – sleep would be good…good night, all!
September 1st, 201212:46 am
usnavyolfaniva….hey I’m O-pos, maybe that works? ha ha….think I’ll live for another day. See you guys in about 12 hours. Nite
john wayne wouldn’t let his son freeze his dead head. ted williams was no john wayne.
every manager has different standards for vets and relative newbies, sheeesh
STOP quoting the record in the nl in aug. Hasn’t anyone learned from the fw/js idiocy of last year? This team is damn near dead last w RISP. And matt cherkoff and those clowns at 680 couldn’t find their ass with a funnel. Only fg could be overmatched by charlie.
September 1st, 201212:47 am
The only speech out of that whole convention I watched was Mitt’s. however, I heard the highlights of Clint on the radio, and all I could think was “who the hell decided to put him on the stage?” Don’t get me wrong, I respect the heck out of Clint (I lean more toward the Harry Calahan character as my favorite), but clearly he should not have been up there last night.
Audie Murphy was the REAL John Wayne
September 1st, 201212:48 am
I suppose when people out west are going to bed, it’s time to hit the sack…go get ‘em tomorrow, braves!
How many people were miles away last september and knew that was a bad job managing?
September 1st, 201212:50 am
oh yeah, Clint is a real fav,e but he seemed to have lost it last night, and his last few movies have started to be much less focused and coherent. Prolly time for him to rest on his glory
September 1st, 201212:51 am
How many people were miles away last september and knew that was a bad job managing?…ACE
September 1st, 201212:52 am
Well Venice Jim — I’m wrong — you’re wrong. Standoff.
My disdain of Fredi is one of the few on this blog who don’t make it personal — EVER. So don’t use words like “foolish” with me — I’m one of the few around here who give reasons — both statistically and historically — that back up my reasoning.
Whether you agree or not is what makes a blog interesting.
Off the field, he’s probably a nice, decent guy and I’ve said that on many occasions. Again and again. But as a manager? Brutal. Record doesn’t tell the story. I think the Braves could be a 90-100 win team with the right skipper.
If it gets ANY of you to watch the game a bit closer, good. Otherwise, I’ll stick to my opinion.
navyfan — what makes me an expert? I’m not an expert — but I do deal with people — many of them young people — on a daily basis over the past 25 years. I can tell a lot from a facial expression, believe me.
not last night, obviously
September 1st, 201212:55 am
body language and facial expressions need a known context, you have no idea what someone is reacting to without being there. anything else is mostly perception bias, you are gonna assume you see what you already expect to see
September 1st, 201212:56 am
John Wayne was just an actor, and not a real good one. Ted Williams, on the other hand, was a real American hero—fighter pilot in WWII and Korea, and the best hitter ever
Wait a second, Shaun is one of those morrning guys who rips us apart because they have nothing better to do.
You know, the analytical ones who want to make us think they’re bunch of Einsteins.
Have fun with that one, mensas of the morning. Now back to your BABIP and UZR.
September 1st, 201212:58 am
Don’t bother. Guys like Chernoff and some of the blind followers on the blog don’t want to hear it. Instead of noticing some of the exact same symptoms from last September, they’ll tell you how we still have a good record and how tomorrow is a new day.
nolie –I’m just pointing out that Bourn didn’t pout until the middle of June even though he whiffs a few more times than we’d like to see.
When they get down it’s a different team. Only guys I see up are Heyward and Uggla — probably for completely different reasons.
This will be Heyward’s team at one point.
September 1st, 201212:59 am
Ted Williams, on the other hand, was a real American hero—
but not as big a hero as lil’ youngun, Audie Murphy
From: Grandma’s kitchen, I see the dew….the fields behind her house…I always knew. Well, the outcome of this __________________. Works for any subject matter; even the Braves of 2012.
September 1st, 20121:02 am
hey I have no more proof that you are wrong than you have, so… might be.
They better call up Delgado, and send Hanson to the bullpen.
It is truly sad to watch Hanson pitch, and you realize his baseball story is NOT going to have a happy ending. That violent pitching motion, throwing across his body. He’s already lost 5 mph off his fastball. His body language (shut up, everyone) is horrible. He twitches his shoulder between almost every pitch, and looks uncomfortable out there
September 1st, 20121:04 am
Anybody remember the “Apology” letter from Braves Management after last years collapse?
Well, here we go again!
Opinions — if presented with some reasoning — should be respected — even if disagreed with.
September 1st, 20121:05 am
nolie—yes, Audie Murphy was a great hero!
September 1st, 20121:07 am
i tried to read body language tonight, but i was in the upper deck and could barely see their bodies.
September 1st, 20121:08 am
Audie was a badass
September 1st, 20121:09 am
Don Sutton’s dog—you need a better seat, There seems to a lot of empty ones on the lower levels
there were some nice looking dames in the upper deck tonight. their body language told me i had not a shot in hell.
September 1st, 20121:12 am
We need Huddy to shine tommorrow
September 1st, 20121:14 am
I know who doesn’t have “a shot in hell”—Fredi ever winning Manager of the Year
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
September 1st, 20121:21 am
“Don Sutton’s dog—you need a better seat, There seems to a lot of empty ones on the lower levels”
Word, better yet, There are always Chicks at the 2nd Level of the Chophouse, They will take your mind off the game
September 1st, 20121:22 am
I know how Fredi can gain some respect— stop the bleeding, stop the slide—THIS TIME.
Do something, anything that shows you have some leadership!! Give a motivational speech, show some emotion on the field—get into it with an umpire (instead of rarely having your players’ backs) GET fired up. Throw a tantrum and get kicked out of the game.
Get somebody in there to give a motivational speech if you can’t do it. Pick a starting lineup out a hat ( that would be an improvement) just to take the pressure off the players
DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING. I don’t want to see this bad movie again
i sit in the seat i pay for. it’s really relaxing on a beautiful night like tonight to sit up in the upper deck, spread your legs out on the seat in front of you and just chill. wasn’t really in the mood for an intense night at the lower levels, living and dying with every pitch. the last month of work has been hell. just wanted to mellow out at the ballyard. soak in the sights and sounds and smells, that sort of corny thing, but not give much of a crap what was going on. not my usual way of taking in a game, but sometimes real life gets so crazy, you don’t really give much of a crap about a baseball game other than to be glad that there is a game being played that you can escape to
September 1st, 20121:24 am
“We need Huddy to shine tommorrow”
Phillies Fans on the philly.com forum are wanting Huddy to get drilled when he comes to bat, they always call him and B-Macc Stupid Hillbillies
September 1st, 20121:25 am
Playoffs!!!! — If that’s what you’re asking for, good luck.
September 1st, 20121:26 am
Don Sutton’s dog @ 1:22—Well said! (i know exactly what you mean)
September 1st, 20121:28 am
Didn’t know Turner Field had an “All you can inhale” section.
Complete with munchies, of course.
Waffle House or Bust
September 1st, 20121:29 am
Football (NFL and NCAA) needs to crackdown on the sale of alcohol at games. All these people getting hammered and falling out of the stands. Two tonight at GA Dome and the guy in Texas this week that died. I have been to one Falcons game and will never go back. I felt like I was at a college party full of obnoxious drunk people (just not as cute as college girls). Rowdy and smelled like a hobo’s wet dream. I know there is drinking at Braves games but nothing like football.
September 1st, 20121:33 am
Playoffs!!! – Fredi does not have it in him. I remember Marlins fans posting on this blog how much we were going to hate Fredi when we named him manager. I thought it was just sour grapes but they were right.
September 1st, 20121:36 am
If we are reading body language, what about Andruw’s constant sh!t eating grin? Did that mean he didn’t care and wasn’t trying? I don’t think so.
September 1st, 20121:38 am
AJC has reported the guy at GA Dome that fell died. Wow! I feel for his family. Stadiums have been around forever so why are so many people now starting to fall to their deaths? All I can think is alcohol sales. I refuse to sit in the upper deck at Turner and don’t even drink. Just those steep stairs freaked me out the one time I did watch a game from there.
September 1st, 20121:41 am
Oh… Fredi sucks and Braves miss playoffs again. Enjoy your redneck concert after the game though. Free Bird!!!
September 1st, 20121:54 am
Ken — Andruw’s ridiculous grin has been consistent for years.
However, back in April I said something to the effect of how Jurrjens pouts — I could see it. You should have read the reaction — ridiculous.
Three weeks later — Jurrjens is a pouter.
I challenge ANYONE to watch a game on that level and see how negative this team gets at times. Reflection of the leadership. Many appear to be unhappy — but some MEN like Minor, Heyward and Medlen are doing a great job of overcoming the mindscrewing leader.
No way Bourn resigns as long as this leader’s in place. The digression of so many players over the past 2 years does reflect effort and dedication — although injuries might play a part. With the way Gonzalez makes lineups, it’s clear getting comfortable on this team is not in the cards.
Medlen? 2 bad outings and he could be back in the ‘pen.
Heyward? Bench in the opener at San Francisco. Why? To show who’s boss?
Minor? Always a short leash – “let’s not jump to conclusions.”
All 3 have shown incredible mental toughness.
Hanson and JJ? Once-effective pitchers not mentally tough enough for the esteemed field commander. His public quote about Hanson the other night was unacceptable — “maybe he’ll bounce back.” Hanson has been brutal but lock the office door and have that discussion.
Can’t see this team making any kind of run. Maybe they’ll make it. Who knows.
September 1st, 20122:24 am
Sorry about tonight guys. Don’t know what to think? Our Atlanta Braves I guess?
September 1st, 20122:25 am
tomahawkin (Suffering Fan), just saw some of your earlier posts….you’re aging me, friend!! (smiles)….been at this stuff for a while now, off and on since 1994, when I first walked into the Braves clubhouse at Fulton County Stadium, saw Fred McGriff and Ryan Klesko sitting there talking and just bolted for the nearest door, totally nervous and freaked out.
guess 18 years later, the only adrenaline I got is from being a spaz and running into walls!….kinda fun though to be around long enough to see things come full circle. I came up from the Macon Telegraph to do a big story on Chipper dealing with missing the 94 season for his blown-out knee….and now here we are 30 games to go in his last (regular) season…..
September 1st, 20122:26 am
and Hello everyone! It’s up to the Braves, and how bad they want it? All we can do is keep hope alive…..
September 1st, 20122:29 am
It’s all exciting, fun nervous at the same time. It can also be depressing too. I’m not happy at the momment, but that is baseball. Season after season. We go through this year after year.
September 1st, 20122:32 am
The A Bomb: You make some good points, but we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors and in the clubhouse. I have supported Fredi, but I do have a problem with him not sitting Uggla and BMac when they are hurt or struggling. Playing BMac this year has been like playing Hayward last year when he was hurt.
Anyway, good night, good folks. We got the Dawgs and the Braves tomorrow and that’s hopefully a winning day for both.
September 1st, 20122:57 am
It is what it is, and We will just have to ride the wave with the good the bad, and the ugly……Let’s hope we get there, and win that Wild Card. Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
September 1st, 20123:58 am
Ridin’ that wave, one toke over the line, everything is groovy…Go Bravies
September 1st, 20124:30 am
“I said, ‘Well I-75 runs from Detroit to Atlanta,” Wren said. “Get on I-75 you can’t go wrong.”
September 1st, 20125:44 am
uga – I was thinking the same. 0-2. Waste a couple off the plate. Hard to argue though, Kimbrell has has blown’em away all year.
September 1st, 20126:03 am
I’ll bet Chipper’s shoulder feels good today. Probably, the color of a new Nike football uniform. Plum, Seafoam green and Indigo. 40 ain’t the new 20.
September 1st, 20126:10 am
scoots – Had to play it back in my stance while reading scrolling through some of the overnight comments. Still not enough. Need a different club…
September 1st, 20126:19 am
McGuirk made budget projections! Go Braves!!!
September 1st, 20127:16 am
I don’t understand why a good amount of people think it’s crazy to freak out about the Braves collapsing again. It’s not just 1 loss. The team has been playing like crap and at the wrong time.
Series loss to Dodgers 1-2
Series loss to Nats 1-2
Series Split to Giants 2-2
Series loss to Padre’s 1-2
Then lost 1st game in Phillies series by Kimbrel getting rocked… There really isn’t anything positive about all of that. We got handled by teams over 500. and now were getting handled by teams under 500. The Nationals lost 5 games in a row and guess what we find ourselves even farther behind them for the division. We still have 13 consecutive game against teams under 500 to gain some ground on the Nats or just pad our WC lead. We have one of the easiest remaining schedules to finish out the season.
Were tied for the 3rd best record in the NL but only lead the WC by less than a game. The Dodgers and Pirates are on the Cards and our heels.
Collapse of 2012
September 1st, 20127:23 am
New day. New opportunity for the Braves to disappoint. Can’t wait!
September 1st, 20127:31 am
Can not handle PRESSURE.
It call CHOKE.
September 1st, 20127:33 am
was clint talking about fredi at the convention?
chipper, take a blow my man. get some rest and cheer on prado, johnson, juan and the new guy the next two games.
September 1st, 20127:39 am
thanks to Andy Johnston of FoxSportsouth.com, who helped me out after a disastrous clubhouse night for me….being a spaz – Carroll
DOB – Do you really think people want you here 24/7/365 because of your ability? Hell no. It’s Carroll they’re thinking of. Many, (not me) may think these unscrupulous TV and radio guys may try to use a Mickey Mouse™ Band-aid as an opportunity for less than noble reasons. They don’t realize Carroll can take care of herself and has gone through extensive Twitter Training (The upgraded newsroom edition) where she can tweet “@andyjohnston – cavalier sleazebag” sans ads.
Have a nice bike ride. Don’t worry. The painkillers should help her type with the stitches and the blood can be removed from the keyboard with a mild detergent.
Andy Johnston – Thanks for helping Carroll. Sorry, for using you as an example.
By the way, Andyboy. How many redheads have you proposed to? Huh? Just how many? How many have you jilted?
September 1st, 20128:05 am
Oh, the pain. The Braves need to get on track just to shut up the vampires and vultures that inhabit the blog overnight.
September 1st, 20128:10 am
Couch Tater. I didn’t realize you’re part of the bash DOB squad along with ACE and George. Or am I misreading your post? I don’t want to slam you unfairly.
September 1st, 20128:18 am
Jeff R, misreading. Couch is our comic genius.
September 1st, 20128:19 am
CB… I thought so. Relieved.
September 1st, 20128:24 am
Last night was unfortunately too reminiscent of last September.
September 1st, 20128:27 am
Yes. The Braves have not been playing well lately, no doubt. There are concerns, as there should be. But I’m not ready to declare a collapse.
September 1st, 20128:28 am
Heyward is 0 for his last 16, I believe. Dropped his OPS to .838 and BA to .272.
Not going to get easier for him with two LHP’s on the mound today and tomorrow.
Deja vu all over again
September 1st, 20128:29 am
I would go back and read the overnites but I haven’t had a tetanus shot recently.
September 1st, 20128:38 am
Braves went 15-15 in August.
September 1st, 20128:43 am
Trader Jack – That weas the term I was going to use responding to Jeff R. That’s exactly what passed trhough my mind after the HR Kimbrel gave up – Deja vu all over again as the illustrious Mr. Berra once remarked.
September 1st, 20128:46 am
Actually, they went 15-14 – they only played 29 games.
And who says great minds don’t think in parallel – LOL
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
September 1st, 20128:52 am
For the month of August… Mcann had a grand total of 1 RBI!
He had two, thank you very much.
September 1st, 20128:55 am
Also, no mention anywhere of what’s up with BMac’s specs. They gonna wait two months to tell us about that, too?…
September 1st, 20128:56 am
What was up with Mac last night, wearing the specs and then later in the game he seemed to have the contacts in when catching
September 1st, 20129:03 am
I don’t anything about contacts—they said a few years ago that he couldn’t wear them anymore since he had lasik (something to do with the shape of his eyes)…he prolly just wasn’t wearing the specs while catching (that’s how he did it in 2010, I think…).
Anyway, I don’t know where the specs came from—it was definitely news to me. Saw him during the bottom of the first in the dugout for a second, and I was like, “What……the………?”
Maybe we’ll find out today…
September 1st, 20129:04 am
Guys, Kimbrel is more rested this season than last. And the guy’s pretty near perfect, but not a god. He’s going to get touched every now and then.
Nearly everyone on this board is not giving this Phillies team enough credit. The Braves beat up on them earlier this year while they were down. They are getting healthy now and are much better than their record indicates. They swept the Nats last week and would have won the Mets series if Hamels pitched. This is quoted from ESPN for those who thought Kratz is a nobody…”Erik Kratz has been a very pleasant surprise for the Phillies since he took over for Carlos Ruiz in late July. He entered the night with a .921 OPS with 14 of his 24 hits having gone for extra bases.” And he more than showed his toughness in the Chipper collision. I don’t understand how most thought the Braves were going to walk over the Phillies in this series. They have owned the Braves in September lately, They still have very good starting pitching, a really good closer, and gaining health. That team may miss the playoffs because of their earlier injuries and problems with middle relief. But they are going to throw a wrench into any playoff contenders plans going forward.
Funny thing is he looks nerdy wearing them
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