12:53 pm August 31, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
August 31st, 201211:06 pm
Team is collapsing. Get used to it.
Gotta be Hinske’s last year at least
In the league or for the Braves? I thought he was done last year, was shocked that he came back.
August 31st, 201211:08 pm
Not gonna win two straight vs Hamels and Lee. So another lost series. This team is going to need help to make the playoffs, they can’t do it on their own.
Don’t worry guys, we’ll get another disingenuous letter from JS along with the front office telling us we still finished with a winning record to comfort us.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
“Another loss to another sub .500 team. What was it you guys were saying about “beating up on ” those teams?”
The Phillies are better thank most on here think…And take it to the Bank that they are gonna get payback for getting swept twice and the Braves ending their season in July
They are not gonna roll over and Play Flat, They are still in The Braves heads. They have owned the Braves in Sept. Games since 2006
All you tools that are prepping for a collapse, read this and follow the advice
Matt Chernoff @RealMattlanta
Some #Braves fans are the funniest bunch ever. With every loss the freak out begins. If u are so confident of a collapse don’t watch.
Take your pessimism and sukk it, or stick it you know where.
They deserved to be booed, huh disgusted?
August 31st, 201211:09 pm
Those BUMBS deserve to be booed. BOOO. Right Disgusted?
August 31st, 201211:10 pm
would have to be the axe for fredi and wren.
Fredi… Wren has done a good job stockpiling talent, can’t see the Braves letting him go. He hasn’t even gotten to pick his own manager yet!
“Not gonna win two straight vs Hamels and Lee. So another lost series. This team is going to need help to make the playoffs, they can’t do it on their own.”
No Hope at all?
August 31st, 201211:11 pm
“Take your pessimism and sukk it, or stick it you know where.
Pattern recognition and pessimism are not the same thing. We saw the Braves choke at the end of the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons. We’re now 4-9 over the last 13 games. Fearing another collapse makes logical sense when using the past as a guide.
Frank ain’t likely going anywhere for a while. Fredi, maybe so , maybe not
“All you tools that are prepping for a collapse, read this and follow the advice
Take your pessimism and sukk it, or stick it you know where.”
The A Bomb
August 31st, 201211:12 pm
They’re not chokers. They’re not losers. They’re very talented.
But they’re being mind&*^cked by this control-freak manager who can’t adjust to the speed of games. Those of you who say a manager has little to do with wins or losses — here’s a classic example of how a manager can kill a team’s culture. Look at all the players who’ve digressed under his rule. Even his godson. It’s a joke already.
pattern recognition? You mean like the Nats the last however many years?
Tomahawkin – Nope not with this garbage. I mean Janish should have put them up 2 runs but refused to score for some reason.
Maybe we beat Lee but I don’t seem them beating Hamels, and no way they beat them both. Just don’t see it happening. The collapse really feels imminent.
The Braves were 1 for 9 with runners in scoring position and that was the play Chipper was out running into Kratz.Braves in last 14 game have a better record against teams with record above .500 (4-6) compared to sub .500 teams (1-3). 5 and 9 overall at this pace the Braves will finish with 85 or 86 wins and miss the playoffs again this year.
Tomahawk is right that this started in that Dodger series.
The Braves are what, 4-9 in their last 13. This is a collapse.
Now, where are the apologists who say they cannot do anything wrong.
Lets face it, we are NEVER going to have a championship in ATL, not with the Braves, the hopelessly mediocre Hawks, the Falcons or the Dawgs. All our teams will find a way to disappoint us.
I say this again, the Winnipeg Jets will win a Stanley Cup before we get a chance to even pla in a championship game.
Hey, the Calgary Flames won one cup — 9 yrs after they left here.
We cannot win — do not want to blaspheme but God does not want us to win I guess. That is okay, he has more important things to worry about. If God wants us to miss the playoffs again I still believe.
August 31st, 201211:13 pm
Talent wise, this is the best team in the city. Execution wise is an entirely different story. The worst part about this loss is that what happened last year begins to creep in the back of their minds.
You’re quoting Matt Chernoff? Oh man, you lose serious cred with that one, “TheOnlyBravesFan”! Are all 162 games equal? I think not. This was a BIG loss tonight, for a number of reasons previously stated. Doesn’t mean they’ll collapse, but it’s more than fair to consider the prospect… now.
Rangers will be calling up Jurickson Profar for Sept… gonna be fun to see him
“Pattern recognition and pessimism are not the same thing. We saw the Braves choke at the end of the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons. We’re now 4-9 over the last 13 games. Fearing another collapse makes logical sense when using the past as a guide.”
Good Point, And Our September Schedule is not a Cakewalk!
vitriol spewer (phil)
Maybe tomorrow but not overly hopeful….
Yunel's Frosted Tips
August 31st, 201211:14 pm
I will accept another choke job if it spells the end for Fredi……..
August 31st, 201211:15 pm
A-Bomb — I really do not think they are that talented and that is on ownership.
God does not want ATL sports fans to have great ownership and he does not want us t have the NHL. And we have to accept his will.
We have Liberty Media and they will be around for another hundred plus yrs unless there armageddon.
“Amanda Comak @acomak
There was more than one #nats player in the clubhouse shouting out “He got him!!!” when Mayberry’s HR cleared the fence in Atlanta.”
In another clubhouse in another town, posting this on the bulletin board might fire some guys up! Not in the Braves clubhouse. They’re just too cool to let their emotions kick in and want to kick some butt on the field.
There are people and teams who take charge. They see an opportunity and grab it! And there are people and teams who are victims. They hope that good things will happen but can’t seem to do anything to MAKE good things happen so they get stepped on and nothing good happens to them.
Thats the Braves in a nutshell!
August 31st, 201211:16 pm
Should be some great quotes from Fredi.
The collapse has begun, is happening and won’t end!
This is actually the best thing that can happen to the Braves. They are not going to win anything with Fredi at the helm. He will not survive another collapse, so when the Braves fail to hold on to the wild card again, he will be axed.
In the long run, it will be beneficial to the team. It will stink in the moment, but will definitely help in the long run.
Kimbrel still needs to learn how to save games that matter….under pressure…in a playoff race…etc.
Couldnt have said it any better A Bomb.
Let’s subject C Mart to Howard/Utley when Avilan is still in the pen. Makes as much sense as hiring a guy to run a ballclub simply because of a good ol boy friendship he had with his predecessor.
August 31st, 201211:17 pm
Fredi why didn’t you take Minor out sooner?/
Off season starts in 34 days. The Fall of The Braves Part 2 !
Chipper finally looking old and infirm.
McCann the mental midget of pitch calling, “Hmmm let’s see this hitter hasn’t touched the slider for 2 straight pitches,I know lets give him a chance with a fastball on the inner part of the plate.
It’s over guys they need a new Manager, GM and a bunch of new players starting with McCann ( needs to DH in the AL)
Another season down the drain
“Tomahawkin – Nope not with this garbage. I mean Janish should have put them up 2 runs but refused to score for some reason.
Maybe we beat Lee but I don’t seem them beating Hamels, and no way they beat them both. Just don’t see it happening. The collapse really feels imminent.”
Give it two weeks, we are About to Go Through hell with this team, they are sooo effing streaky!
@Stizz — I agree with the second part of your post. And you might be part right on the talent being the best in the city but that is sad cause we are middle of the pack in talent.
Facts don’t matter noles… unfortunately. Can’t fix stupid with smart, it seems.
Aww, did the fact that he said don’t watch the game if you’re afraid of the collapse hurt your feelings? Or was it what I said at the end…
August 31st, 201211:18 pm
you do understand that your unrelenting optimism logically makes just as little sense as their unrelenting pessimism…both are equally irrational
miss those good old ninetys
Please do not put this on God.
If you were looking for patterns with the Nats, you would note how since 2009 they have improved from 59 to 69 to 81 to a pace of nearly 100 wins.
There’s no reason to try to obfuscate. The Braves’ late-season choking may not make you comfortable, but it’s a well-established trend.
August 31st, 201211:19 pm
i like Wren alot, but missing the playoffs this season is unacceptable. he said this is a playoff roster that needed a 2nd chance. this past offseason our only free agent additions were jack wilson, livan hernandez, and chad durbin. we spent the least of any team in baseball. plus he failed to unload jurrjens for whatever we could get. so instead over 5 mil went down the drain.
“There are people and teams who take charge. They see an opportunity and grab it! And there are people and teams who are victims. They hope that good things will happen but can’t seem to do anything to MAKE good things happen so they get stepped on and nothing good happens to them.”
The Braves have been victims in big games for yrs and that was when we did have some elite teams. They have had a victim culture as far back as the late 90’s. The regular season was good enough and there was not enough hunger to take it to the next step.
August 31st, 201211:20 pm
“Take your pessimism and sukk it, or stick it you know where.”
This guy also says under all this horses@@t has got to be a pony!
August 31st, 201211:21 pm
Seriously — the only thing we’ve found out under this tyrannical manager is….
1. He’s castrated Hanson and Jurrjens who have proven to be too mentally weak to survive.
2. The players are probably the mentally strongest are Heyward and Minor, who have been mind*&cked for 2 years and they’re sticking it right up his ass right now because they hate this guy so much.
3. I’ll bet if you polled the clubhouse 50% of these guys would want this guy out tomorrow. It’s a damn shame. Talented team being allowed to be mentally destroyed. As much as players WANTED to play for Cox it’s got to be the opposite with Gonzalez.
Just look at the body language. Only UGGLA shows any real emotion…why? Because his godfather will support him even if he hits .100 for a month. Total frickin’ joke.
Yunel’s Frosted Tips
“I will accept another choke job if it spells the end for Fredi……..”
Fredi will not get Fired, Bank on It, Its Not his Fault that Struggla and B-Macc are having their shi-ttiest seasons…Its not his fault that the Team has been Garbage hitting RISP Since Aug 1st
He is not an NFL Coach, He is not at fault for a team that is inept ate executing on offense
And what is killing me now….! Is that the team is making Mental Errors in Big Games! That didnt happen in the 1st half!
Getting Manly, finally
I see our Suffering Braves Fan is back. Must have grown a pair while he was suffering so much
You’re quoting Matt Chernoff? Oh man, you lose serious cred with that one, “TheOnlyBravesFan”!
Just pointing out a good point he had.
Not true… I believe that we have the 2nd easiest schedule remaining of any contenders.
August 31st, 201211:22 pm
“Facts don’t matter noles… unfortunately. Can’t fix stupid with smart, it seems.”
That’s hilarious. I posted plenty of facts in my 11:11 post. They’re just inconvenient facts for you sunshine pampers.
Some of you could be on the Titanic as it was sinking and would tell people around you to quit whining and being so pessimistic. That’s sort of what last September was like as the Braves were pulling the statistically worst collapse in National League history.
“The regular season was good enough and there was not enough hunger to take it to the next step.”
Ahh .. the good old days … when they could actually get through the regular season to the postseason. Now, they play for five months and fall apart.
Pumpers, not pampers*
Not trying to rain on anyone’s parade, but it really baffles me why someone invests time in watching a team you think is awful and will choke and is not worthy of having the 3rd best record in the National League…(which they still do)…and then complains endlessly about how bad they are and how they have told us how bad they are forever…
Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin
Kimbrel: “its definitely not a location I was trying to put it. I was trying to elevate on him and it didnt go high enough” #Braves…. Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin
Kimbrel: “all we can do is come back tomorrow and keep on playing” #Braves
Over the course of a season a good manager will make a positive difference. I always felt like Bobby Cox’s deft managing, over the course of a season, was worth 10 wins. A bad manager will cost a team games, but it’s not 10 games; it more like 20 or more, because the effect of bad managing affects the morale of the entire team over time.
August 31st, 201211:23 pm
LOL! You’re passive aggressive and defensive too! Fearing a collapse?? If you read all my posts very carefully, you’d realize I am far from your worst detractor. But Kelevra said it best a bit above. Have a good, optimistic night — and for what it’s worth, I hope you are right…
Man, what a game tonight in the Dome…Vols looked a lot better than last year…almost 200 on the ground…looking forward to a great game when they go to Athens this year and take on the Dawgs! Dawg’s will win, but should be a good one.
Don’t know what to say about the Braves, other than it looks like they’re playing their way out of the playoffs again.. I hope i’m wrong.
August 31st, 201211:25 pm
doesn’t make me uncomfortable, I learned 50 years ago about the disappointments of baseball teams,
nothing bewildering or obscure about what I said at all
I really really really want to make the playoffs and don’t want to be sad again like last year.
I take Matt Chernoff and the rest of the talking head bunch on both 680 and 790 as seriously as Andrew Dice Clay.
Now that is bad. I hope the talk on 92.9 will not regurgitate old voices we have had in the past. Improvement in sports talk in ATL is welcome.
I’m not unreletingly optimistic…. I’m more optimistic than others, but not all the time…. I’ve had my share of bad nights…. but for the fools on here to start yelling “We’re sinking, we’re sinking” now is wrong… just because we lose 3 games at the end of August doesn’t mean we’re gonna collapse.
August 31st, 201211:26 pm
You Planning on Going to any Games next year if they Choke again or go One and Done? Take advantage of those season ticket promos! lol
I think people in Atlanta have been rubbing off on you hence the drop off in attendance this year, especially during the weekdays
DOWN ON THE FARM
DANVILLE falls to the TWINS 4-2 tonight to go 1-2 in the five game series.
RHSP WILLIAMS PEREZ takes the loss only going 3.1 IP and allowing 4 H including a HR, 3 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 4 SO. All-in-all, not a best effort.
CF LOGAN ROBBINS is on fire at the plate. As I mentioned in the middle of yesterday’s game, he’s left a lack-luster hitting year behind him, and is grabbing for the brass-ring. Today he goes 3-4, 2 R, 1 2B , and hoists his average to .455 in the first three games of this series.
2B LEVI HYAMS [.556 BA] spots LOGAN three and goes him one better by batting 4-5 with a double  and two RBI  tonight.
In addition, PERAZA, KALENKOSKY, and DeSANTIAGO have a single apiece.
Hope those September call ups help.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
“it really baffles me why someone invests time in watching a team you think is awful and will choke”
it’s like driving past a really bad car wreck and feeling compelled to look even though you really don’t want to
calling me an optimist just shows you need a dictionary there dude
August 31st, 201211:27 pm
But that takes 15 seconds (and I am not that perverted to do so)…
Nats win 10-0
Braves lose 8-5
Pittsburgh losing 7-2 in the 8th
LA losing 2-0 in the 5th
St. Louis lost to the Nats 10-0
SF lost 6-4
So, the Braves are collapsing, but at least everyone else is dropping the ball as well.
Forget about the Nats, just hope Meds can beat Kershaw or Cain in a 1 game playoff.
August 31st, 201211:28 pm
1. He’s castrated Hanson and Jurrjens who have proven to be too mentally weak to survive.” – A Bomb
Getting Manly, finally
“I see our Suffering Braves Fan is back. Must have grown a pair while he was suffering so much”
Who in The #### Are You???
If you read all my posts very carefully, you’d realize I am far from your worst detractor. But Kelevra said it best a bit above. Have a good, optimistic night — and for what it’s worth, I hope you are right…
I know you’re not my worst detractor, there are worse….. I will have an optimistic night, week, month, and season…. playoffs too. I hope I’m right as well.
Let’s not completely give Cox a pass. Dude had one of the greatest offensive teams ever assembled in 2003 and pissed it away.
This team needs a completely new facelift in terms of head brass goes.
August 31st, 201211:29 pm
For the month of August… Mcann had a grand total of 1 RBI! MERCY
Gosh that hurts. 5-4 with EOF and Venters was a lock, worried about Kimbrel but oh well. Gotta win tomorrow.
August 31st, 201211:30 pm
I see VJ up to his old tricks of correcting.
Phillies with beginning of the year starting outfield gone. Best all around player Ruiz (.335 avg.) coming back. Kendrick may be pitcher of the month, Lee and Hammels firing on all cylinders. After last year wouldn’t it be poetic for Phil’s to make playoffs then noise. I predicted a sweep in Atlanta. They lose 2 to Mets calling up rookie day of game still lose only 3-2. Wouldn’t that be something if Braves choke again. Kratz (who?) biggest hit of year off best closer in b-ball. Don’t you love destiny?
perhaps he meant to type castigated , Navy…
relegated to PTV
“just because we lose 3 games at the end of August doesn’t mean we’re gonna collapse.” Don’t forget the road trip…and it’s the fashion in which they lose.
FG is a mouth-breather. And the dookie runs downhill. End of story.
Lee in S GA
can Medlen start every other game…
“invests time in watching a team you think is awful and will choke and is not worthy of having the 3rd best record in the National League”
How many times in the off season did we hear from Wren or the media that the Braves had the second or third best record in the NL in August 2011? That statement was used as kind of an excuse every time anyone commented on the Swoon.
Unfortunately, the playoffs don’t start in August.
“A bad manager will cost a team games, but it’s not 10 games; it more like 20 or more, because the effect of bad managing affects the morale of the entire team over time.”
A bad manager will do more to cost wins than a good mgr add wins. You have to have the horses to win.
An example of how a bad manager cost a team this yr is Bobby Valentine. He has cost that team at least 10 wins if not more & they are worse than us.
If they have another Septermber like this Fredi will have to go and FW might have to follow. Come on, you cannot have choke jobs like this. I don’t thnk Fredi has cost them that much to date but the last 13 games some bad things are happening.
August 31st, 201211:31 pm
Forget about the Nats, just hope Meds can beat Kershaw or Cain in a 1 game playoff.—-count_schemula
Meds Will Pitch his ass off, but we will get Screwed by bad luck in that 1 game WC elimination, Bank on It!
Hopefully those two fans that got hurt at the Dome are alright.
“Forget about the Nats, just hope Meds can beat Kershaw or Cain in a 1 game playoff.”
Seriously – to what end? This team is too flawed and has no leadership or heart. Do you really see them advancing in the postseason?
August 31st, 201211:32 pm
I assume you can still remember last season. I want to see a victory but when the play is bad I am going to say so. Doesn’t make you a better fan than me.
A bad manager will cost a team games, but it’s not 10 games; it more like 20 or more, because the effect of bad managing affects the morale of the entire team over time
there is nobody actually in baseball who believes that, strictly a disappointed fan idea
August 31st, 201211:33 pm
Bobby was great in the regular season, but as a post season manager did not have as much succes he should have had with that level of talent.
We should have at least 3 or 4 WC banners up there with that level of talent.
1996 WS was unforgivable.
“For the month of August… Mcann had a grand total of 1 RBI! MERCY”
The Dude is Flat out Hurt! Nuff Said, Just like last year, he was #### Trying to hit injured down the stretch
usnavy — He’s destroyed their confidence. There’s something there. If he likes a guy he has one set of rules.
He’s like a bad high school coach. Fiddles with the lineup. Knows ZERO about pitching. Mindf^&%cks the hell out of the young guys.
Stizz — Cox could motivate and run a game by the seat of his pants like an elite manager. Leyland, LaRussa etc…. Gonzalez is TOTALLY lost.
Dirty Harry – tell me, who did I correct? I appreciate that you are jealous of me, so I will forgive your amusing efforts to be antagonistic…
August 31st, 201211:34 pm
can we get a september call up to manage?
Bank on anything you say?
“A bad manager will cost a team games”
Yep terrible move. 5-4 game and brought in best closer in the game. What was he thinking!?!
August 31st, 201211:35 pm
Fredi looks like the Grim Reaper in the dugout. It can’t be fun playing for him—everyone looks uptight.
It looks like we’re seeing a late-season fade from Chipper. After all, he is 40, and it’s a long season, and the legs are the first to go.
I hope Hanson is not this year’s Derek Lowe down the stretch.
I think Heyward is 0 for his last 14.
On the bright side, Simmons will be back soon, and our competitiors for the Wild Card are beating themselves up
Nolie — You don’t think that Bobby Valentine has cost that team at least 10 games this yr.
Costing 10 games is extreme but that is one guy who has done an extremely bad job in multiple areas.
Till recently I think Fredi has done a good job — he is a good baseball man but no way can this fan base stomach another non playoff season.
Look here, pessimists.
Matt Chernoff @RealMattlanta
Thats a fact #Braves fans don’t want to hear when they are envisioning a collapse. RT @tzip34 @RealMattlanta 5th best record in the bigs
Orioles kicked the Yanks butt and now trail them by only two games!
That is an example of how a team (Orioles) takes an opportunity by the throat rathers than having something choking in their throats!
A-Bomb, he gave both of them ample opportunity to succeed, and they made ABSOLUTELY NOTHING out of those opportunities… they make a major-league salary, and they haven’t earned it. That’s no one’s fault but theirs.
August 31st, 201211:36 pm
He should’ve used Martinez instead…
Oh, and he also should have pulled Janish home to score..
If Mc Cann never played another game for the Braves I’d be fine with that cause he is washed up.
August 31st, 201211:37 pm
No nolie. The word was correct.
JJ and Hanson have become total pussies. Part of it is their makeup, the other part is lack of support from the manager. Maybe they party too much.
Clear Gonzalez challenges these guys mentally. The ones that can’t take tank it. Look at the body language and you can tell he wants to clear the decks.
And let me add Medlen to Heyward and Minor — a guy who is sticking it up Gonzalez’s ass right now, probably out of sheerly detesting this guy.
You don’t think that Bobby Valentine has cost that team at least 10 games this yr
Fredi is NOT Bobby V and does not bring the same problems, and obviously nobody thought Bobby capable of costing them 10+ games, or they would not have hired him to begin with.
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