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uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
1:59 am
ken, they were. the best was when munson said it.
in munson’s best voice, ” that vandy’s punter scares the heck out of me, have you scene this guy, he kicks the ball straight into the sky.
no way we figure that out, the guy kicks it up straigth up, no way we figure this out.”
kenhotlanta
August 31st, 2012
2:08 am
uga, Yes, I remember now, that’s hilarious. There will never be another Munson, that’s for sure.
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:10 am
i know haggard knows those words.
the great voice, describing , the vandy punter.
uncle larry had a great way of describing the weather.
“oh he kicked it mile, staight up in the air with the wind.”
whatca got loren?
“well down here on the sidelines we are looking at garrison hearsts knee. back to you larry.”
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:10 am
i know haggard knows those words.
the great voice, describing , the vandy punter.
uncle larry had a great way of describing the weather.
“oh he kicked it mile, staight up in the air with the wind.”
whatca got loren?
“well down here on the sidelines we are looking at garrison hearsts knee. back to you larry.”
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:10 am
i know haggard knows those words.
the great voice, describing , the vandy punter.
uncle larry had a great way of describing the weather.
“oh he kicked it mile, staight up in the air with the wind.”
whatca got loren?
“well down here on the sidelines we are looking at garrison hearsts knee. back to you larry.”
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:12 am
trippled up, sorry.
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:16 am
all the georgia people will always miss that great voice.
“get the picture, the dawgs in red tops and gray pants going left to right on your radio.”
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:24 am
as college football kicks off i miss him more.
i grew up with him.
#34 blowing over bill bates. sugar from the sky. run lindsay. hob nail boot.
so many.
Ward
August 31st, 2012
2:27 am
All have a good night! Enjoy the weekend, and I can only hope for the Braves to play well down the stretch, even in my own doubt. Peace my friends……Always good talking, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
kenhotlanta
August 31st, 2012
2:28 am
I remember the dude before Larry. He was Ed Thilenius and he had a great voice that was suited to play-by-play, but, of course, he didn’t have Larry’s personality. I think he did the first few years of the Falcons, and then he died before his time.
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:29 am
either you get it or not. the guy from radio that calls your games. every team has that guy.
kenhotlanta
August 31st, 2012
2:31 am
Good night, good folks. Lets hope the Braves have a good weekend, time is getting short.
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:31 am
ken, you are old. larry was 1970 ish.
uga-brave
August 31st, 2012
2:34 am
gene washington, for you haggard.
probably the only one that remembers that.
Ward
August 31st, 2012
3:26 am
I have one more thing to say- Lew, to your post earlier today. First of all I’m not an idiot. How confident are you with Hanson next start? Another thing is you twisted my post to fit your comments. I was saying Hanson has been getting rocked the last few starts, and most of his wins have come when the Braves offense had to score more than 4 to 5 runs, and most of Hansons wins have come win he got shelled, so I’m not an idiot. I have never called you names, or tried to down you. I really think Hanson should be done. Hanson should be traded before his value is nothing. I respect your view, but please don’t mock mine. No harm, just have a different view . I repsect all your post, and peace to all. “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
HooRah
August 31st, 2012
3:30 am
Happy Birthday nolie. More to come
HooRah
August 31st, 2012
3:32 am
It is a bad time to be having problems with Hanson and Sheets. Thank goodness for Medlen.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
4:59 am
Anyone still have a bad feeling about tomorrows game? I sure hope the Braves are in a bettter place?
Nope…. feeling great about the game and series. Beat those Phils!
Couch Tater
August 31st, 2012
6:13 am
DOB, I really wish the AJC wouldn’t put advertising for Cheetah on your web site. I hate seeing these ads day after day
Targeted advertising. I’m getting a Lazy Boy ad. Damn.
vitriol spewer (phil)
August 31st, 2012
6:48 am
Braves SAY things are better….
Prove it then.
Couch Tater
August 31st, 2012
7:16 am
scoots –
I really did well. Paired up on the first tee. Got through #12. Unscathed. #13. Par 3… Waited for the green to clear. Addressed the ball… Heard carts and chatter. Backed off. Addressed the ball… Red wasp. Backed off. Hit. Clank.
I admit it. I said it. “Stand there another F’n 20 minutes, Tater, and maybe you can hit it.” My pard was laughing, when I got in the cart. I said, “What?” He said, “You don’t even know what you said, do you?”
Baptist Preacher and his twentysomething son..
richbrave
August 31st, 2012
7:34 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
DANVILLE
1-1 in the playoffs as the D-Rooks crush the TWINS 9-2.
CF LOGAN ROBBINS [.286 BA] 2-5, 1 R, 1 2B [1], 3 RBI [3], 2 SO.
C TROY SNITKER [.250 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 2 RBI [2], 1 BB, HAT TRICK!!!!
RF BLAKE BROWN [.333 BA] 2-3, 1 R, 1 RBI [1], 2 BB, 1 SO.
LF FELIX MARTE [.125 BA] 1-5, 2 R, 2 RBI [2], 2 SO, 1 Outfield Assist [Home Plate].
RHSP MAURICIO CABRERA [1.93 ERA] 4.2 IP, 4 H, 1 HR, 2 R, 1 ER, 5 BB, 6 SO.
RHRP ZACH JADOFSKY [W 1-0, 0.00 ERA] 1.1 IP, no-hits, 2 BB, 1 SO.
LHRP ‘LOS ‘Wild-Thang’ PEREZ [0.00 ERA] 2.0 IP, no-hits, 2 BB, 4 SO.
RHRP JERRY FITZGERALD [0.00 ERA] 1.0 IP, 1 H, zeros.
****All stats are based on two play-off games not the regular season.
ncscoots
August 31st, 2012
8:07 am
I really did well.
Love it, love it, love it.
Great story.
Probably uga and BAS aren’t around this early, but I gotta tell the story about playing Kiawah some (OK, plenty of) years ago. Friday, there’s hardly any wind at all, someone snuck some working clubs in my bag, and I had an absolutely great round. “What’s the big deal?”, I’m thinking. Saturday, the course paid me back. Wind’s up fierce, and I finally just quit keeping score after 13 and paid off. Humbled does not describe it.
I had a chance to work through my entire vocabulary that Saturday, believe me.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
8:48 am
Yep – scoots said “Oh Darn! and Geez! at least 36 times that round.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
8:48 am
Followed by “LOL. after each utterance.”
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:05 am
Lew – LOL
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:07 am
Zack Greinke with back to back strong outings for LAA.
Go Zack.
MFin04
August 31st, 2012
9:09 am
So I take it that Bryce Harper is now going to win rookie of the year with some of the worst numbers for a rookie?
MFin04
August 31st, 2012
9:11 am
I’ve noticed ESPN has added WAR to its list of main stats. I’m sure Shaun and others are extremely excited about that.
Anyhow, I noticed the rookie with the 2nd highest WAR is Andrelton Simmons with 2.3. Harper with 2.6
Kinda funny that Simmons should win even though he has had 1/4 as many at bats.
toast
August 31st, 2012
9:13 am
bryce harper is getting his swagger back. kid can play and only going to get better
toast
August 31st, 2012
9:14 am
speaking of harper, just read that al kaline was 20 years when he won the batting crown with detroit. pretty amazing
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
9:14 am
Zack Greinke with back to back strong outings for LAA.
Go Zack.
Indeed… went 7+ both times…. we need a pitcher like that. He’s turning it on at the right time. He’s a great pitcher in Sept. Sign him this offseason. If we can get him and Shields, boy, will I be happy. What a rotation!
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
9:17 am
He’s still allowed the HR, but with less walks… hasn’t burned him as much. Pitched 14.2 innings in last 2 starts, just 10 Hits allowed, 3 runs, 4 walks, 12 Ks. He’s thrown 60% strikes and opponents hit .189/.241/.340/.581 off of him. Dare I say Zack is back!
Zack allowed as many hits, runs, and walks in 2 starts (14 IP) as Hanson does in 4 innings of work. Hah!
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
9:19 am
Zack has also avg. about 6.2 IP in each start with the Angels… going pretty deep into the games. Good to see. A workhorse.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:19 am
TOBF – Shields, yes (if we don’t have to give up too much of the farm). Greinke, NO. Way to expensive. Someone will overpay…hope it’s not us. I’d rather spend the $$$$ on the outfield. We could sure use another bat. Given a choice, I’d rather overpay on Bourn, than overpay on Greinke. But then, you knew that already.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
9:20 am
I’ve noticed ESPN has added WAR to its list of main stats
About time… I’m not as into it as Shaun is, but I do find WAR useful. If only Simba hadn’t slid head first, if only….. sigh
Lew
August 31st, 2012
9:21 am
Yep, we could sign Zack for $20+ mil poer year so we could get someone to pitch the seventh every five days – or just re-sign O’Flaherty who could pitch the seventh three times every five days for $3.5 mil.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:21 am
JJ had a couple of good starts in a row this year. Just saying….
richbrave
August 31st, 2012
9:23 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
ROME
GREEN-JACKETS swarm the Legion 5-1. More offense needed. Nine hits, but centered on only two players.
Lead- off CF TONY MUELLER [.269 BA] 3-5, 1 RBI [30].
C CORY BROWNSTEN [.206 BA] 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B [10].
3B BRANDON DRURY [.230 BA] 1-4, 1 2B [21], 1 SO.
1B ‘BillyBECK’ BECKWITH [.292 BA] 1-4, 1 SO.
SS FERDIE De Los SANTOS [.246 BA] 1-4, 2 SO.
RF WIL SKINNER [.246 BA] 1-4, 1 SO, 1 Outfield Assist [3B].
RHSP A.J. HOLLAND [4.29 ERA] 4.0 IP, 3 H, 3 R/ER, 6 BB, 4 SO.
The ‘Margate Flash’ is all over the ball-yard pitching tonight replete with an error. His dad was prolly at the game, and made him nervous. BROWNSTEN evidently didn’t tell him his dad was as full of it as anyone else.
LHRP RONAN ‘Ferdie the fight doctor’ PACHECO [2.73 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 2 BB, 2 SO.
RONNIE is coming around in A-ball finally. Problem is he’s already 24 [July 29]. At the rate he’s going, he’ll be 30 before he’s ready.
LHRP IAN THOMAS [3.31 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 HR, 2 R/ER, 1 BB, 1 SO.
Rough outing. Walks followed by gopher-balls…..I tell ya’…..
RHRP Rookie NAT HYATT [0.66 ERA] 2.0 IP, pristine 5 SO.
Dominating performance. NAT has put together an outstanding rookie year in DANVILLE and A-ball. Send him to LYNCHBURG.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:23 am
Lew – Or sign EOF to 2 year deal, $5.5-6M total.
MFin04
August 31st, 2012
9:23 am
“Indeed… went 7+ both times…. we need a pitcher like that. He’s turning it on at the right time.”
Yep, because wins don’t count year round. We already have an elite Ace who goes 7 innings, might want to check baseball-reference.com for a kid named Kris “Medlen”.
MFin04
August 31st, 2012
9:26 am
Medlen has 28+ consecutive shutout innings.
Talk about turning it on at the right time. Oh and his salary is 490k. Couldn’t figure out what the K means. Does that stand for millions or trillions or something?
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:28 am
Yep, we could sign Zack for $20+ mil poer year so we could get someone to pitch the seventh every five days – or just re-sign O’Flaherty who could pitch the seventh three times every five days for $3.5 mil.
Starters have lots more value than relievers – especially non closers – that’s they they get paid 5 times as much.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
9:28 am
Shields, yes (if we don’t have to give up too much of the farm).
Agree…. but since we don’t match up too well, I’m afraid we will have to overpay…. definitely will take 1 of Teheran/Delgado, maybe both in addition to 2-4 more prospects (likely our best pitching ones). I just hope Graham isn’t included in anything…
Greinke, NO. Way to expensive
You might be right, I just can’t see anyone paying 20mil to a guy who hasn’t put up consecutive years of an ERA around 2.60. I can see Greinke getting 13-17mil, and in that range, I think the Braves will have a great chance to get him if we really want to. Only really 4-5 teams that he’d play for IMO (Braves, Nats, Cardinals, Reds, Angels, Tampa Bay)…. only 2-3 of those I think will target him.
We could sure use another bat
Agree…. Willingham, Ross, etc. … I had a roster possibility for next year, that had Greinke on it, and only needed a LF and 2 veteran BP arms, and our salary was at 81.1 mil (with Greinke making 16mil)…. I’m sure we can make it work.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:29 am
With Huddy back from bone spir cleanup, the 3M boys, and one of Delgado, Teheran, Sheets, Gilmartin…I’m not really for spending major money on long contracts for another pitcher. Beachy back in 2014, along with some of guys currently at lower minor league levels.
An ACE would be great, if available and affordable. I don’t really see those 2 things both happening for the Braves.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
9:32 am
JJ had a couple of good starts in a row this year. Just saying….
Greinke and JJ are on 2 totally different levels…. and Greinke was never hurt either.
or just re-sign O’Flaherty who could pitch the seventh three times every five days for $3.5 mil.
Avilan, O’Flaherty, Gearrin can do that too…. O’Flaherty is nice, but not totally necessary. If we can trade him alone or him and a low level prospect to get a CF, that’d be fine. We just get another lefty for the ‘pen, and we have some to choose from.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
9:34 am
We already have an elite Ace who goes 7 innings, might want to check baseball-reference.com for a kid named Kris “Medlen”.
Too early to call him an ace…. I am deeply infatuated with the kid, and when I let emotions take control of me, I think of him as an ace…. but truth is, he hasn’t started a whole season yet in his career (25 starts) and has yet to pitch for a year straight…. need to wait a bit before calling him an Ace.
MFin04
August 31st, 2012
9:35 am
“I just can’t see anyone paying 20mil to a guy who hasn’t put up consecutive years of an ERA around 2.60.”
Last 3 years:
4.17 ERA
3.83 ERA
3.82 ERA
Career ERA 3.83
I’m sure some teams are dumb enough to pay him around $20 million, the Braves aren’t one of them.
ncscoots
August 31st, 2012
9:36 am
With Huddy back from bone spir cleanup, the 3M boys, and one of Delgado, Teheran, Sheets, Gilmartin
It’s just that Hudson can’t be expected to pitch at a high level until he’s 50 or something. If next year is his last year, for example, then who left is a bona-fide front-of-the-rotation guy? There isn’t one. Only the hope that one of these guys can actually become one.
They need a stud pitcher, under control for at least a couple of years, who can realistically lead the rotation until they see if some internal option can take over the job in the future.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:37 am
TOBF @9:28 – I pretty much agree with most of that. I’m not ready to give up on Delgado, Teheran, or Graham(for sure). T and Graham still have potential of top of the rotation. Home grown is a LOT cheaper and better.That’s how we will get our ace that we can afford. I’m fine with Delgado, even if he tops out at a #3.
I know you, Efrim, and some others like Greinke more than I do…either way, I believe he will go for more money, AND more years than we can afford, and some team will pay the price, and probably regret it at some point.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
9:41 am
Huddy’s gonna be what, 38 next year? He’s nice, but he isn’t a power arm like Clemens were he can just blow people away still…. I wouldn’t want to depend on him to be our ace, our wait until 2014 to replace him.
And the 2014 SP Free Agent list as of now isn’t looking too good. Josh Johnson (hurt often), Matt Garza (nothing special) and Tim Lincecum (horrid this year) are probably the top 3 targets that year…
Lew
August 31st, 2012
9:41 am
Thanks Efrim – I did not know that. Sheesh.
richbrave
August 31st, 2012
9:43 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
LYNCHBURG
SALCEDO blasts another yard-shot, but it’s not quite enough as the HILLCATS fall 5-4 to the DASH.
RHSP GUS SCHLOSSER [L 13-7, 3.38 ERA] 6.0 IP, 7 H, 1 HR, 4 R/ER, 2 BB, 8 SO.
That one mistake pitch does him in.
RHRP CALEB BREWER [4.41 ERA] 2.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 1 SO.
2B TOMMY LaSTELLA [.300 BA] 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B [21], 1 RBI [54].
CF MYC JONES [.256 BA] 1-4, 1 2B [25], 2 SO, 1 SB [21].
RF ADAM MILLIGAN [.257 BA] 2-4, 1 2B [21], 1 RBI [47], 1 SO.
3B ED SALCEDO [.237 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR [16], 1 RBI [60], 1 SO.
C CHAD COMER [.170 BA] 2-4, 1 2B [3], 1 RBI [4], 1 SO.
Lead-off LF DAN BREWER [.268 BA] 2-5, 1 SO.
SS NICK AHMED [.262 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 SO.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:44 am
Thanks Efrim – I did not know that. Sheesh.
Oh, well you did associate the two – so that’s why I made the comment.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:44 am
scoots – I gotta slightly disagree here (a rarety). If we could find a bonafide ace/#1/stud that we could control and afford for 2-3 years, and wouldn’t cost the farm, great. I don’t think that guy exhists. However, I have a lot of faith in Wren…If he can find that guy, I’m sure he will.
I do think Beachy could possibly be that guy, beginning again in 2014, and believe 3-4 of Medlen, Minor, Teheran, Delgado, and Gilmartin will be very good.Graham is coming as well, among others.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:47 am
JJ had a couple of good starts in a row this year. Just saying….
I think some on the blog are starting to not give two sh!ts about “stuff” and it’s honestly scaring the crap out of me.
Joe Saunders has a career ERA+ of 102 – does this mean folks would be comfortable with him as our #3 starter, since ya know, that’s league average? No friggin way.
Gotta have guys that can miss bats. Missing bats, keeping the ball on the ground, keeping the ball in the park when it is in the air.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:48 am
It’s just that Hudson can’t be expected to pitch at a high level until he’s 50 or something. If next year is his last year, for example, then who left is a bona-fide front-of-the-rotation guy? There isn’t one. Only the hope that one of these guys can actually become one.
They need a stud pitcher, under control for at least a couple of years, who can realistically lead the rotation until they see if some internal option can take over the job in the future.
Totally agree. Tim Hudson turns 38 years old in July.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:49 am
And I guess my point is that ERA isn’t everything. Greinke is better than the 3.80 ERA he’s put up – he just is.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:49 am
Just because a guy is the “best available” (as many consider Greinke to be), doesn’t make him an ace/#1/stud, or worth the price.
Lowe was the “best available” option. We pretty much were forced to overpay out of desperation. BTW, I think he was worth it for the first 2 years. In hindsight, many have found great fault with that move.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
9:50 am
OnlyBraes – You seriously beleive that O’Flaherty nd a low level prospect would get ur center fielder?
I don’t know – you over value EOF and Efrim undervalues him. I think you’re both wrong.
richbrave
August 31st, 2012
9:50 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
MISSISSIPPI
Rain-out…Surprise….
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:50 am
And yes, I believe in FIP.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
9:51 am
No. He isn’t – he just isn’t.
Anders
August 31st, 2012
9:51 am
What’s up Braves fans? So my Mets just beat the Phils 2 out of 3 and now your boys have the phils next. Plus you have the Mets 6 more times this year. Those three series have to be good for 7 wins minimum – right? Why all the angst here on the old blog? You heard Hoss. Last years collapse can only make them stronger. I mean, I remember after the Mets collapsed in 2007, granted it wasn’t as historic as what happened to your guys last year, but then when the Mets faced the same situation in 2008 .. oh wait.
Hey, did you guys hear this season will be the last for The Jersey Shore?
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:52 am
I don’t know – you over value EOF and Efrim undervalues him. I think you’re both wrong.
He’s good. He’s not an elite reliever. If that means I’m wrong, then so be it.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
9:53 am
Of course the average of how many runs a pitcher gives up over the course of every nine innings is meaning;less. We should all realize that what is REALLY important is how many batters they strike out or how fast they throw the ball.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:55 am
Efrim – And I’m just saying that I’m not convenced that Greinke IS just better than that. I’m just not.
toast
August 31st, 2012
9:55 am
brian mccann has no extra basehits in the month of august? did i read that right? how is that possible.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:55 am
No. He isn’t – he just isn’t.
If ERA is it for you, then that’s fine, but it isn’t for me and there are stats to explain it. And again, K/9, HR/9, BB/9 are important to look at and none of these point to an ERA of 3.80 – he’s better than that. So please, enough with the Greinke bashing.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
9:55 am
Efrim – “I believe in FIP.”
Well, not quite as dramatic as Kevin Costner’s “Belief” speech in Bulll Durham, but I guess it works for the blog.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:56 am
Of course the average of how many runs a pitcher gives up over the course of every nine innings is meaning;less. We should all realize that what is REALLY important is how many batters they strike out or how fast they throw the ball.
Because other things effect this, but you’re too stubborn to accept that.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
9:57 am
Yep NOne of them point to a 3.80 ERA, yet there it is – and there it’s been for all but two yers of his career.
But he’s had lousy fdefenders, right?
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
9:58 am
Anders – There will be no collapse this tyear.
RE Jersey Shore…Can’t come to soon to suit me. Good example of how bad some TV can be.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:58 am
Well, not quite as dramatic as Kevin Costner’s “Belief” speech in Bulll Durham, but I guess it works for the blog.
He’s in one of his moods this morning…..
Do you just focus on batting average for a hitter, Lew? Or are there other things that you look at?
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
9:59 am
Yep NOne of them point to a 3.80 ERA, yet there it is – and there it’s been for all but two yers of his career.
But he’s had lousy fdefenders, right?
Pretty much, yeah.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
9:59 am
I prefer to believe that you’re too stubborn to admit it has more meaning than you think it does.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
10:02 am
I love this. Lew points to Greinke’s career ERA, but I specifically remember early in the season cherry picking Mike Minor’s performance trying to shoehorn him into being more than a career 4.73 ERA type pitcher.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
10:02 am
Efrim “Hs in one of his moods this mnorning”
Yep, I feel great and am one of the best moods I’ve been in for over a year. Been sitting here laung mat behind off at some of this stuff.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
10:03 am
I’m even laughing at the hiccupping computer of mine – laughing my fat behind off.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
10:03 am
I prefer to believe that you’re too stubborn to admit it has more meaning than you think it does.
Can you find where I said ERA wasa meaningless? Please find the quote of mine, Lew.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
10:03 am
Greinke had 1 good year, in a low stress situation.
Someone WILL overpay Greinke in $$$ and years
Braves will not be able to afford him
Whoever DOES sign him, will eventually regret it (including if that is the Braves, and they get a “hometown/preferred team discount).
Not Greinke hate…just my humble opinion.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
10:04 am
And yes, I believe in FIP
Sweet!
You seriously beleive that O’Flaherty nd a low level prospect would get ur center fielder?
Well, maybe a mid-level prospect… I dunno. The Cards are said to be looking for lefty relief this offseason, maybe we work something out with them for Jay. Or we package him in a bigger deal for a CF. He does have tradeable value, and not just as a throw-in.
. So please, enough with the Greinke bashing.
Indeed…. all of his stats but ERA have been fine. He’s going deep into games, striking out a good number, walking few, and not allowing too many hits. His defense has cost him. He doesn’t have the Braves behind him.
Braves are #1 defensive team in the league, I believe. I know for a fact that we are better than the Brewers and Angels. I bet that if Greinke were here all year, and pitched the same way, his ERA would be about 3.30, maybe even lower.
Take our best pitchers, Huddy, Maholm, and even Medlen, and give them the Angels and Brewers defense behind them, their ERA’s wouldn’t be as good as they are.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
10:06 am
I’m even laughing at the hiccupping computer of mine – laughing my fat behind off.
That’s fine. Do me a favor and find where I said ERA was meaningless. Quit trying to get angry when anyone tries to dig a bit deeper, dude. We folks who appreciate stats aren’t all like Shaun Payne, man. That’s the issue I have with you. Whenever anyone asks you to think harder, you fall into thinking that Shaun is yelling at you about ERA being meaningless – but that’s just simply not what was said.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
10:06 am
Efrim – You’re so right – I can see the comparison between the two and their ERA – cause Minor is on the cusp of being paid $20 million a year. Definitely an appropriate comparison.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
10:07 am
Hey, did you guys hear this season will be the last for The Jersey Shore?
Thank you Lord!
Lew points to Greinke’s career ERA, but I specifically remember early in the season cherry picking Mike Minor’s performance trying to shoehorn him into being more than a career 4.73 ERA type pitcher.
He’s young, only 24… he’s not really that bad…. just throw out his bad starts, they’re learning curves!
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
10:08 am
Greinke had 1 good year, in a low stress situation.
raleighbravefan, I get that everyone has an opinion, but I can’t just say the Earth is flat and not expect to be questioned or called a fool, right?
You really believe that Zack Greinke had “one good year”?
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
10:08 am
It is an appropriate comparison Lew…. you can’t pick the stats you want to use for 1 player and not do so for the other…. that’s unfair. No matter the pay of the players. ERA is ERA, plain and simple.
DAP
August 31st, 2012
10:09 am
efrim And I guess my point is that ERA isn’t everything. Greinke is better than the 3.80 ERA he’s put up – he just is.
but ultimately, it matters how many runs you give up. strikeout 10 in 6 innings, fine, but if you also give up 3 runs, thats not good.
raleighbravefan
August 31st, 2012
10:09 am
TOBF and Efrim – I mean no disrespect to you. I know you value Greinke a lot more than I do. Who knows…maybe you are right. I just don’t think so. I do repect your opinions, and have no desire to “get personal” or upset about it. We are all Braves fans, who happen to disagree sometimes. That’s what makes this a great blog…trolls and idiots notwithstanding.
That’s all I will say, at least today, about Greinke. It isn’t going to be resolved until this Winter, anyway.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
10:09 am
Efrim – You’re so right – I can see the comparison between the two and their ERA – cause Minor is on the cusp of being paid $20 million a year. Definitely an appropriate comparison.
Has nothing to do with it. We had this exact conversation in April about Minor and I’m pretty certain you said not to look at his career ERA. I’ll be searching through the archives to find it.
And again, please, find me where I said ERA was meaningless.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
10:10 am
Oh, geez, I just went to look at Braves fielding stats, and Matty Diaz was worth -0.6 dWAR… negative. I knew he wasn’t a good OF’er, I didn’t know he was that bad.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
10:10 am
but ultimately, it matters how many runs you give up. strikeout 10 in 6 innings, fine, but if you also give up 3 runs, thats not good.
Right, but other things play into it. Defense behind a pitcher and ballpark they pitch in matters, right?
Anders
August 31st, 2012
10:11 am
This is like front row seats to a really good heavyweight bout. For you youngsters on here, yes they used to have really good heavyweight bouts.
Lew
August 31st, 2012
10:12 am
Efrim – I’m not angry – I seriously have been sitting here laughing throughout this entire conversation. I think it’s hilarious imagining you spitting your cheerios all over your workspace.
Dude – you’ve been had – I’ve been trying to push your buttons all along.
I’m aware that ther’s more than ERA in profiling a pitcher – and you’ve seen numerous times I site K and BB/9, K to BB rate, WHIP and HR and H/9
I just think that there IS a good deal of value to ERA and that Greinke is radically overvalued based on one truly excellent season that the three intervening years have yet to see a vague return to those numbers. You just can’t keep blaing his defense when the results keep repeating. Somewhere along the line you just have to realize it’s Zack and that’s who he is.
Efrim
August 31st, 2012
10:12 am
I mean no disrespect to you. I know you value Greinke a lot more than I do. Who knows…maybe you are right.
It’s really more about the arrogant bashing of the kid, especially from someone who was trying to prove that his social anxiety and depression was “different” – that wasn’t you.
ncscoots
August 31st, 2012
10:13 am
I do think Beachy could possibly be that guy, beginning again in 2014, and believe 3-4 of Medlen, Minor, Teheran, Delgado, and Gilmartin will be very good.Graham is coming as well, among others.
Beachy, Minor, Medlen, Delgado, and Teheran don’t have 150 ML starts as an entire group. They’re just babies, as pitchers. It’s completely unrealistic to expect any of them to go toe-to-toe against the best pitchers in the league on a regular basis and be favored in the matchups. They might indeed be ready to do that, for all I know, but is making that Plan A a good idea?
Top 2 starters in a rotation face opposing top 2 starters around 61% of the time. A top 3 starter faces opposing top 3 starters around 64% of the time. Slotting matters.
VaBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
10:14 am
I don’t know with the emergence of Kris Medlen I think our need for a starter is smaller now. I do agree would could use a top pitcher to anchor our rotations for a few seasons but we have plenty of depth and can still have a quality rotation just lacking a top tier guy. When you factor in that we’ll need a CF and LF or 3B I just don’t know what would be the best route on improving this team. We’ll have
Hudson, Medlen, Hanson, Minor, Delgado, Maholm, Teheran as options to start out with and then have Beachy and Gilmartin being able to contribute later in 2013.
Now if we decide to trade a young arm and others for say James Shields who fits our budget we would still be able to add a good offensive player. We could use a top arm, but hey we still gotta replace Bourn and Chipper. A franchise Icon who’s been batting cleanup and a elite defensive CFer and good lead off man. Thats alot of production to replace.
Murph
August 31st, 2012
10:14 am
Old guy fight!
Trader Jack
August 31st, 2012
10:14 am
Looks like someone pissed in someone else’s Corn Flakes this morning
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 31st, 2012
10:16 am
And my mistake earlier, Braves aren’t the best defensive team in the MLB, Seattle is (based on fielding %). We’re #2 in the MLB, 1 in the NL.
We have the 4th fewest errors in baseball.
We’re the best team in “total zone total fielding runs above average”, by 10 runs. We are the best team in TZTFRAA (the stat I named above) per player, with each player averaging 9 runs above average.