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raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:15 pm
CaptMudd – Of course it’s OK to disagree. What I am saying, is that even if the offense is in a terrible slump, that does not mean the players didn’t give their best effort. Even if they made errors and mental mistakes, doesn’t mean that they don’t care enough. And even if they lose, it doesn’t mean that they didn’t really, Really REALLY want to win and try to win.
Mark
August 30th, 2012
3:17 pm
Throwing out F Bombs is not playing with emotion. It just shows immaturity and embarrasses and reflects on family and their values or lack of.
People take their small children to games as a family outing to have fun and to make memories. The players that disrespect themselves, their families and every fan present take away from those experiences.
I grew up watching Aaron, Carty, Evans at Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. My Dad didn’t have to explain childish behavior from those guys to me or my brother.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:18 pm
WOO HOO!!! Top of the page!
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:19 pm
Mark – How true. You can be emotional, and professional at the same time.
Kinda lost on the “in your face” crowd of today.
O.M.G.
August 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
Right on Mark!!!!!
tiger297
August 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
man its a nice day on the blog…
Bat Masterson
August 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
phil_
I thought about you while I was there. There were quite a few exchanges between the judge and some miscreant about understanding such and such. One involved a guy waving his right to a speedy trail. The judge asked the guy to explain it to him then when the guy finished the judge “yes that’s right, only completely backwards”
Another had to do with understanding have no contact with someone, nor trespass, nor be in the vicinity of. That one was quite lengthy and I suspect the “be in the vicinity of” will be the guys downfall.
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
3:22 pm
Throwing out F Bombs is not playing with emotion. It just shows immaturity and embarrasses and reflects on family and their values or lack of.
I think you’re a little over the top with your characterization.
VaBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:24 pm
Just can’t lose a series to the Padre’s right now. Easy part of the schedule facing all these teams below 500. with the Nationals struggling… We’ll fail to gain any ground…
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:25 pm
I can’t believe the minor league season is over. No more checking box scores daily on milb.com….bummer.
Juan
August 30th, 2012
3:25 pm
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
2:49 pm
Cole Hamels (illness) will start Sunday against the Braves.
I call it yesterday….I tell you guy that was a bugus Illness….The Phillis want there three Big Gun agains the Bravos
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:26 pm
Na… lets trade him now before Roger McDowell’s failed conditioning program ruins him like it has so many others!!
F-bombs is the only way to go. The louder, the better.
I agree completely… I follow that advice. Throw in some other ones occasionally…
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
3:26 pm
WOO HOO!!! Top of the page!
At least that saves you from having to re-post, LOL.
I keep expecting that, one day, George will not only re-post all of his posts from the bottom of a page, but will, in a fit of humanity, begin re-posting everybody else’s, also.
vitriol spewer (phil)
August 30th, 2012
3:26 pm
I agree it shows immaturity….
One of the best things I ever did was swear off of that word about 5 years ago. A rare slip sometimes, but I’m better for it.
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:27 pm
We’ve got a fairly easy 31 games ahead of us. We draw 10 out of divison games vs. the Pirates, Brewers and Rockies.
And we face the Nats only 3 more times – although it’d be nice to have more head to head vs. them at this point. But purely from a one-game WC standpoint, we should be good.
brian
August 30th, 2012
3:28 pm
back to above where people are talking about trading relievers……….
It would not surprise me one bit if EOF or Venters is traded in the offseason. An obvious trading partner would be the Angels who desparately need relief pitchers (especially lefty relief) and have a surplus of OF and young starting pitching prospects. A deal for Bourjos and a lower level prospect would work
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:28 pm
Throwing out F Bombs is not playing with emotion. It just shows immaturity and embarrasses and reflects on family and their values or lack of.
I wouldn’t go that far with it…. if it’s excessive, then it’s a problem. If it happens during a long slump, or in a critical AB, it’s just part of the flow.
I can’t believe the minor league season is over. No more checking box scores daily on milb.com….bummer.
Playoffs starting this weekend, right?
Juan
August 30th, 2012
3:28 pm
After the National Series that they sweep the Nat, The Phillis thought that they has a chance to be close to the WC if they sweep the Braves this weekend with 6 games left to play.
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
3:28 pm
One of the best things I ever did was swear off of that word about 5 years ago.
Stop playing golf, did you?
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:29 pm
Why does everyone use the word “spew” with vitriol? I always find that funny, as it’s constantly used on this blog and others I view from time to time.
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:30 pm
A deal for Bourjos and a lower level prospect would work
My guess is this is not the last time we see the Bourjos for Eric O’Flaherty rumors, and I’d only say that LA better be throwing in a very good prospect in addition to Bourjos.
vitriol spewer (phil)
August 30th, 2012
3:30 pm
Actually, no. I just say damn a lot!
Easy schedule? Not one game we play from here will be easy….we have to overcome ourselves too much as it is.
Trader Jack
August 30th, 2012
3:31 pm
I can tell most of the guys who live down South regarding their feeling using the F-bomb.
Living here in the Northeast most people can’t finish a sentence without using the F-bomb
Never heard anyone complain about it up here. Different culture
Hillbilly
August 30th, 2012
3:31 pm
I think you’re a little over the top with your characterization.
I agree. I cuss like a sailor at times, but I come from a great family with outstanding values. You just have to know when to pick your spots.
vitriol spewer (phil)
August 30th, 2012
3:32 pm
You could ask DOB about that vitriol spewing thing….
VaBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:32 pm
Bourjos would be a nice pick up to maintain our great defense, but so far he hasn’t hit much.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
3:34 pm
Hello everyone! Just reading some post, and some good one todays. I was frustrated last night, because the Braves needed to at least win the Padre series, and now they made things tougher on themselfs, and the way Hanson pitched. He’s become a liability, and some costly starts. we have to go against the Phillies big three. you can say I’m frustrated wiht Hanson, and offense, so is there anything wrong with that?
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:34 pm
Bourjos would be a nice pick up to maintain our great defense, but so far he hasn’t hit much.
I’m just not sure we can go with Simmons and Bourjos at 7 and 8. Not unless we get serious in LF. Like, really serious.
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:35 pm
Hello everyone!
For some reason, I just laugh when I see this. I have no idea why. It’s a fine entrance – just makes me laugh, maybe because it’s Ward.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:36 pm
VA – SD is one of the hottest teams in the 2nd half. Just saying…Their season record means a LOT less than their current record. An example of the revers being true is the 2011 Braves.
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
3:37 pm
You just have to know when to pick your spots.
True of just about everything in life, ain’t it?
And as a true fan of the English language in general and of elegant language in particular, I still find that there are occasions for which the most appropriate verbalization is one that I would never use in other, more social circumstances, LOL.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:37 pm
scoots @3:26 –
Ward
August 30th, 2012
3:38 pm
Efrim – How’s it going? Have to have some kind of enterance, as well as a sign off…. little humor.
VaBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:39 pm
Efrim
Depends on how much they improve. Bourjos in 2011 did almost have 40 XBH with 22 SB and a solid 765 OPS. If he can get closer to that production it wouldn’t be so bad. Too early to tell on Simmons with the bat, no one expected him to hit this well starting out.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:40 pm
I repost eveything that deserves reading more than once. In fact, I just did that…Let’s see….I don’t think I ever did that. I guess George has more important thins to say than I do.
(George, if you see this, scoots and i are just kidding with you, my friend…but then, I guess I shouldn’t speak for scoots…and he knows more than I do.).
Hillbilly
August 30th, 2012
3:42 pm
And as a true fan of the English language in general and of elegant language in particular, I still find that there are occasions for which the most appropriate verbalization is one that I would never use in other, more social circumstances, LOL.
You better fluffin’ believe it.
Trader Jack
August 30th, 2012
3:43 pm
Scoots And as a true fan of the English language in general and of elegant language in particular, I still find that there are occasions for which the most appropriate verbalization is one that I would never use in other, more social circumstances, LOL.
F*** Yeah – HA!
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:43 pm
Efrim – You are right. From now on, I will always say “barf” vitriol.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
3:43 pm
The thing I don’t like is the 4 games series with Rockies right after the Phillies. Braves need to wake up, and take command, or be watching the Playoffs again.
VaBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:43 pm
Also Bourjos would only be making around 500k next season so it wouldn’t be a financial gamble to roll with him. He is ARB1 eligible until 2014.
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
3:44 pm
but then, I guess I shouldn’t speak for scoots
Speak away; I’ll pipe up, if you happen to be wrong, LOL.
As to the other, I never re-post anything, and, even there, there are probably plenty of folks who think that’s one time too many.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
3:44 pm
Oh well! What do I know?
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:46 pm
On the Beat
New Cup of Joe a Winner
by John Perrotto
Scouts’ views
Braves right-hander Kris Medlen: “This guy has a Cy Young in his future”
Ahhh. It’s stuff like this……
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:48 pm
A deal for Bourjos and a lower level prospect would work
Would be nice, but Bourjos hasn’t shown much as a big league hitter…. plays great defense though, which is a plus.
Bat Masterson
August 30th, 2012
3:48 pm
You better fluffin’ believe it. _ Hillbilly
We were talking about the various uses for the F word here one day when snotboggie posted a clip from The Wire as an example. Good stuff. Too bad he split.
CrαZy
August 30th, 2012
3:48 pm
Oh well! What do I know?
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
3:49 pm
Ahhh. It’s stuff like this
I hope there are double-axles on that bandwagon, LOL.
cricket
August 30th, 2012
3:49 pm
And cricket, I will say, Epstein, Beane, Alderson – these aren’t bad people. There is a reason they get “worshiped”, man. They are really bright baseball people.
i got nothing against these people, man. they are obviously very good baseball people, tho would love to see what Theo can do with limited payroll and don’t think he will ever put himself in that position.
i don’t think they should be over fair criticism but also don’t mind their fans who think they can make no mistake and sometimes defend them when these people themselves have admitted some mistakes and explained how they learned from those mistakes. tho i have to admit that i partake in the guilty pleasure of teasing some of those fans, may be once a year, just for fun. no biggie. just another side of the coin that has some people thinking that people like Wren and Fredi have zero baseball knowledge.
CrαZy
August 30th, 2012
3:51 pm
snotboggie
haven’t seen that name in awhile he was a good one! Must’ve gotten tired of the BS.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
3:51 pm
The Braves are lucky to have Medlen, as of now. He’s been the new (Ace). He’s saved the Braves big time, so far.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:51 pm
I’m just not sure we can go with Simmons and Bourjos at 7 and 8.
Simmons can hit…. at least so far he can. He might be an aggressive swinger like Francouer, but it’s working so far. I think the kid might be posting .260 to .275 batting average next year. He won’t be horrible.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:51 pm
Thank goodness for Medlen, Minor, Maholm, and Hudson. With Sheets ailing (I should’ve known better!), Hanson stinking up the place, and JJ a veritable waste of a 40-man roster space, I would not hesitate to bring as many arms as possible to fill up the bullpen – I MEAN ALL HANDS ON DECK FOR SATURDAY & THE REST OF SEPTEMBER!!! – and insert Delgado as a sixth starter until Sheets comes back.
When Sheets comes back, I would have Delgado take Hanson’s place, and have Hanson & JJ in the bullpen the rest of the way. Dump JJ in December; trade Hanson for… something.
The bats? Brothers and sisters, it’s gonna be a LO-O-O-O-O-O-O-ONG September.
(The ghosts of Milky – V. 2010, Ankiel, Anderson, Glaus, Mondesi, McLouth. Lee, and other assorted positional stiffs are looking on with bored bemusement.)
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:52 pm
Really looking forward to Clint Eastwood’s new movie. His speech tonight, not so much. (apologies ahead of time and no additional comments, if this falls under the forbidden political discussions).
Bat Masterson
August 30th, 2012
3:53 pm
CraZy_
Yeah he came back for a while at the beginning of the season but seemed to get put off by some of the vitriol be spewed.
Bay Area Steve
August 30th, 2012
3:53 pm
“who think that’s one time too many”
Nobody worth knowing. F***ers (context appropriate?), every last one of ‘em (if they indeed exist).
CB
August 30th, 2012
3:53 pm
Ye of little faith on Medlen.
cricket
August 30th, 2012
3:53 pm
Why does everyone use the word “spew” with vitriol?
spewing is the only purpose for the existence of vitriol
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
3:53 pm
Really looking forward to Clint Eastwood’s new movie
The trailers do look pretty good. Nobody does “irascible” like Clint.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
3:53 pm
If some one one step up for the 4th, and 5th spot? The question is who wants it?
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:53 pm
just another side of the coin that has some people thinking that people like Wren and Fredi have zero baseball knowledge.
Fair enough. I like Frank Wren quite a bit. I’ll like him even more if we end up with two Top 40 draft picks next June.
cricket
August 30th, 2012
3:54 pm
if you had lot of vitriol but didn’t spew it, did you really have any vitriol at all?
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
3:55 pm
Ye of little faith on Medlen.
“I’m not a pessimist, I’m a realist.”
CrαZy
August 30th, 2012
3:55 pm
Really looking forward to Clint Eastwood’s new movie. His speech tonight
Actually looking forward to both!! I’m sure the speech will be short!
Ward
August 30th, 2012
3:55 pm
Right now I see Minor filling the role nicely, bit no one seems to wan’t the last spot in the rotation.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:56 pm
Bourjos does have that great 2011 campaign to hope for though… he put up a .271/.327/.438/.765 line over 147 games (502 ABs)… 26 doubles, 11 triples, 12 HR, 22 steals.
He didn’t walk much and struck out quite a bit, but just the hope that he can hit near those numbers again is reason enough to at least kick the tires on him. Didn’t play much this year (88 games, 167 ABs) but he’s only 25 and has just 1 season in the bigs. I would consider it if we don’t get Bourn… better than Pastornicky/Cunningham or even Constanza out there.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2012
3:56 pm
cricket – RE – vitriol…spot on.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
3:56 pm
Clint Eastwood, You didn’t build it dude……. Make my day…..
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:57 pm
I hope there are double-axles on that bandwagon, LOL.
Seriously. The best part about the Medlen thing is that if you tell anyone to slow down on the kid’s ceiling/projection, you are then labeled as a person who was wrong about Medlen.
I guess I was/am then. But I’ll never try to make the MLB season into the NFL, where every game and small samples have an incredible amount of importance.
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
3:58 pm
Speaking of the NFL, who is ready to see Aldon Smith rack up 15 sacks? I certainly am.
Go Niners.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
3:58 pm
i am sure that someone has already gagged it up with the “well, that’s what the problem is; we need Clint Eastwood on the REAL Braves scouting department to find us some hitting…”
‘Cause it sure doesn’t exist in the real farm system.
nolie knows how I feel about Feckless Frank.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
4:00 pm
If we don’t get Bourn,or Hamilton? Cunningham in Center, and Parraz in LF next season. That’s if Wren decides to nothing again?
Ward
August 30th, 2012
4:00 pm
If we don’t get Bourn,or Hamilton? Cunningham in Center, and Parraz in LF next season. That’s if Wren decides to do nothing again? Thats only if Wren doesn’t sign anyone big.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
4:00 pm
88 games, 163 ABs for Bourjos this year…
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
4:00 pm
His speech tonight, not so much.
Clint makes eight figures when he slips on his shoes in the morning. You think he’s gonna be a Libertarian, LOL?
Ward
August 30th, 2012
4:02 pm
Well, dont feel too bad I double posted to. I hate that when it happens.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
4:04 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Paul Maholm may be this year’s Doug Fister – wasn’t written about much before deadline, but arguably has been most impactful pitcher traded.
Indeed.
Speaking of the NFL, who is ready to see Aldon Smith rack up 15 sacks? I certainly am.
Only if y’all are playing Saints, Panthers, and Bucs… wish we had one of those guys on the Falcons…instead we have a 35 yr old, aging, but still good, DE and a guy who was supposed to be good but was terrible last year (3.5 sacks). Supposedly his knee was injured. Hope he’s healthy.
Bat Masterson
August 30th, 2012
4:04 pm
How is it a double post if they are not exactly the same?
CrαZy
August 30th, 2012
4:06 pm
Clint makes eight figures when he slips on his shoes in the morning. You think he’s gonna be a Libertarian, LOL?
Not to get political… but most sufficient people… f it who cares!! Medlen is god!!
Shaun
August 30th, 2012
4:06 pm
cricket and Efrim, I think most GM’s, front office personnel, baseball analytic people, baseball scouts, et al., are pretty smart and most seem like pretty fascinating people. These days if someone doesn’t have a very high level of baseball intelligence, he or she probably isn’t going to be in those types of jobs. Nowadays if a baseball person is not pretty darn brainy, whether he/she is a GM, scout, stat person, he’s not working in a front office.
I suspect in the past who you knew and whether you played mattered more than it does now. Now that’s not good enough, though it can help. Now that world seems to be much more of the brains in the game than ever before. In the past it seems like the baseball intelligentsia was largely working outside the game. These days the industry seems to know as much and more than anyone outside the game; which is saying something because there are very smart people outside the game.
BravesFanSince80s
August 30th, 2012
4:06 pm
IF Uggla finishes out sept. playing every day, and IF Hanson is left in the rotation and continues his dive to the pit of MLB starters, AND we miss the playoffs AGAIN, both FG and FW heads should roll. I know this gets overexposed on here, but in this I stand firm, niether should keep their jobs if idiocy and complacency in the face of a playoff hunt is all we’re gonna see…
CrαZy
August 30th, 2012
4:07 pm
Clint makes eight figures when he slips on his shoes in the morning. You think he’s gonna be a Libertarian, LOL?—nscoots
Not to get political… but most sufficient people… f it who cares!! Medlen is god!!
Ward
August 30th, 2012
4:07 pm
I was trying to type, and I pushed submit, and nothing happened, so I decided to change a couple of things, and just about put up the same post. Some times I think the submit is slow.
ncscoots
August 30th, 2012
4:08 pm
the baseball intelligentsia was largely working outside the game
The similarity to utterances from J. Edgar Hoover in his heyday…well, it’s eerie, is what it is.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
4:08 pm
Medlen, so far has saved the Braves season.
Bat Masterson
August 30th, 2012
4:10 pm
Some times I think the submit is slow.
Perhaps. There are times when I wish it did not work at all. Not mine mind you, though.
Ward
August 30th, 2012
4:13 pm
Well, all have a good one! My hopes are dim right now, but all I can do is keep Believing The Impssobile, or go down with the Braves again. Peace My friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
BravesFanSince80s
August 30th, 2012
4:13 pm
@Ward, right now, he’s the only starter I’d trust in a big game, Hudson, MAYBE, but that’s only if 1st inning explosion Hudson doesn’t show up…
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
4:13 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Paul Maholm may be this year’s Doug Fister – wasn’t written about much before deadline, but arguably has been most impactful pitcher traded.
Good comp.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
4:16 pm
Hopes are dim right now??? Dim in what, us making the playoffs? You’ve got to be out of your mind…
Efrim
August 30th, 2012
4:18 pm
I still think Hudson, Medlen, Maholm, and Minor would look great with James Shields in front of them.
Shaun
August 30th, 2012
4:20 pm
Bourjos would be a fine option, if the Braves could get him. If Bourn is ahead of him defensively, it’s not by much. He has a career OPS+ 98. He’ll be 26 next season, so he’ll be in the early stages of what is likely his offensive peak.
You put Bourjos out there for 155-plus games, I see no reason to expect less than somewhere close to a league average offensive player with elite defensive value.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
4:20 pm
“Hopes are dim right now??? Dim in what, us making the playoffs? You’ve got to be out of your mind…:
That was sarcasm, right?
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
4:21 pm
Greinke, Huddy, M, M, & M
5 great starters, you’ll love to watch them
Aces at the top, they go 1, 2
Followed then by the triple M Crew
Shaun
August 30th, 2012
4:23 pm
Considering contract, unless Bourn takes a pretty significant discount, I’d probably rather have Bourjos in centerfield than Bourn throughout their next contracts.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 30th, 2012
4:23 pm
I see no reason to expect less than somewhere close to a league average offensive player with elite defensive value.
So about 0.3 oWAR and 1.5-2 dWAR?
That was sarcasm, right?
Nope.
Three Strikes They Are Out
August 30th, 2012
4:24 pm
I think the Braves will make the playoffs.
I don’t think the Braves will advance in the playoffs.
A one game play-in against a lefty and the Braves could be making tee times in a hurry.
Bat Masterson
August 30th, 2012
4:26 pm
Hillbilly_
How’s the weather. Do you still have power?
Shaun
August 30th, 2012
4:26 pm
Considering contract, unless Bourn takes a pretty significant discount, I’d probably rather have Bourjos in centerfield than Bourn throughout their next contracts.
….well, current contract for Bourjos. And also I should clarify if the Angels ask for a completely unreasonable package for Bourjos, that would change my views.
Three Strikes They Are Out
August 30th, 2012
4:27 pm
Speaking of the WC, it looks more like that Tuesday play in game before March Madness and the field of 64.
Shaun
August 30th, 2012
4:33 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan, if a team throws Bourjos out there for 155-162 games, I think there is a very good chance he could approach 3.5 dWAR, like Bourn. And I don’t know that he could repeat his 2011 offensively. That seemed a little flukey. But I think he could exceed a 1 or 2 oWAR a season over the next few season while he’s in what is likely his peak years.