I think we can agree that Hudson, Minor and Medlen are probably locks for next season. That leaves just 2 spots to fill, one of which Beachy will feel once he returns. So, basically you’ve got to make a decision between Delgado, Maholm, Hanson and Teheran over filling those last 2 spots.
At yesterday’s game I sat next to a guy who played against Chipper in the minors and did a stint at Seattle in the majors for a bit. At first he only said that he was friends with ‘the 3rd basemen’ while Chase was on the field so it sounded like he meant him but didn’t give a name to which 3rd baseman. However his Bow Hunting hat kinda gave it away that it was Chipper. So I asked if it was Chip and he said yes. Didn’t catch the guy’s name, but Chippers agent got them the tickets. Interesting to know that even they have to use Stub Hub. I only know this because the tickets we bought were a set of 2 or 4, we bought 2 and his agent must have bought the other two. The guys were very nice and chatted a lot. He mentioned how Chipper talked to him about the surf board yesterday and what do do with it and how he’s headed down to Atlanta to see his last games there.
Now off to the airport… only the Sept 9th (last Mets game) and Oct 3rd (last reg season game) left for me this season. Unless we go into the post season and I decide to take a trip…
We could quite possibly enter the off season thinking that we don’t have any everyday spots to fill. I could end up extending Bourn and they may feel that Juan could take 3rd. We’ve also got the option of Janish at 3rd, not saying it will happen but not saying it won’t either. So it’s quite possible we won’t be trading out of necessity.
Janish at 3rd is not an option. He’s not even Plácido Polanco levels with the stick. I think we do have to lean on Juan some, at least against RH. With Prado in LF for the most part part, we’d just need a RH platoon mate for him and a CF. Heyward in RF is preferable, but in “Lou” of that, a RF with Hayward in CF. Even leaning on Juan we are going to need 1 1/2 outfielders.
How is one year of Maholm at 6.5 mil more valuable to the club than..
Hanson with 4 more years of control, very manage salary, higher ceiling
This year: Maholm averages 6.1 IP/GS. Hanson averages 5.2 IP/GS.
With what I’m seeing out of Hanson this year and the last half of last year, I think Maholm has better value to the team on the team next year than Hanson does. Actually, Hanson hasn’t averaged 6 or more IP/GS since his rookie season. It just keeps going down for him. Over the last three years Maholm has averaged 6 IP/GS and he keep improving. And he too is pretty cheap. No reason to trade this guy.
That leaves just 2 spots to fill, one of which Beachy will feel once he returns. So, basically you’ve got to make a decision between Delgado, Maholm, Hanson and Teheran over filling those last 2 spots
If Wren is smart, this phrase “one of which Beachy will feel,” makes no sense and even if implemented with popper grammar is a terrible way to plan for the GM. It is such a terrible, terrible idea of a plan, that well, it could only be matched in incompetence by trading a 30HR hitting right handed hitter and a $6.5M left handed starter who averages 6+IP a start and 3.50 ERA.
count schemula “The Yankees got power-hitting 1B and outfielder Nick Swisher from the Chicago White Sox for utility infielder Wilson Betemit.” Did not know this. That was a good trade by the Yankees.
same offseason the braves got javier vazquez. i was so ticked we didnt snag swisher as well, especially when i saw the yanks got him for. we would have made the playoffs in ‘09 with swish in RF, or playing 1st.
I agree on Reed Johnson. He’s professional enough to make us forget all about Diaz and Hinske. So, now we just need a Pagan or some RF. Assuming BJ Upton is verboten.
Yeah, how dare they decide that Delgado, Teheran and Hanson offer more upside, not just next season but going forward than Maholm. I guess there’s absolutely no way those 3 could provide equal to greater value. Really? Mahlom is a true ace no doubt.. untouchable.
AJC tech guys need to fix the Twitter feed! How am I suppose to get my daily dose of AJC Sports tweets in one convenient place if I can’t even see it???
Janish does not play 3b every day. Not a chance. Juan is far from perfect, and it’s inexcusable for him to have loafed off half the season with a starting 3b job up for grabs, but, he has what, 9HR in 167ABs? And he’s a terrible pinch hitter. Give Juan 400ABs as a starter and Uggla will be batting 8th for a long time.
Shaun, sometimes it’s not about WAR. We may not have a CF next year. At all. I love Prado, but, even he’s not going to be able to pull off CF. Say we do something terrible, like sign Nick Swisher…
count_schemula, who said anything about WAR?
Let’s try this again, and try to focus instead of finding a hidden WAR reference that isn’t there. Heyward likely wouldn’t add as much value, because of defense, in center. He adds a ton of value in right, defensively.
The Braves won’t go in to next season without a true centerfielder. I will just about guarantee it.
Shaun, explain this to me. How is one year of Maholm at 6.5 mil more valuable to the club than..
Arkansas Transplant, who said one year of Maholm at $6.5M is more valuable to the Braves than those things you listed?
The argument is that one year of Maholm at $6.5M is more valuable than anything the Braves could get for Maholm in a trade, so he seems less likely to be traded that some other players or pitchers.
So you think it’s far fetched and wouldn’t ever happen that Janish could spell Juan at 3rd?
Like once per month? Janish becoming a regular or semi-regular at 3B is less likely than Phil Niekro coming out of retirement to lead the Braves to the postseason.
According to your assessment and definition of project, yes. You stated as much.
Yeah, how dare they decide that Delgado, Teheran and Hanson offer more upside, not just next season but going forward than Maholm.
The terrible, terrible, idea of a plan, is banking on Beachy next year. That’s a horrid plan and I’ll greatly disappointed in Wren if that is his plan.
And, like I said, if that is his plan, it could only be matched in incompetence by trading your a fore mentioned 30HR hitting player, or planning for Janish to be the starting 3B, or trading Paul Maholm.
So, basically you’ve got to make a decision between Delgado, Maholm, Hanson and Teheran – Arkansas Transplant
The decision could be to let Delgado and Teheran pitch in the minors until or unless they need them. Why force a trade if you don’t have to and you aren’t going to get good value for your team?
“as far as moving Uggla … Some teams would like to have a 30 homer type player in their lineup and would welcome the fact that he’s locked in over the next 3 years. ”
–Arkansas Transplant
[To peg potential] I think it would be fair to look at career numbers.
–Arkansas Transplant
So your projections are that Maholm has more value than say Delgado, Teheran, and Hanson? And you base this on? Just because someone makes more money doesn’t necessarily mean they are better than any option making less.. ie.. Maholm, Uggla.
What is it about Maholm that you see gives him such great value that the Braves would be wise to hang onto him? Specially given the fact he’s been nothing more than a 5th starter for most of his career. Just wondering why you see him so untouchable.
If anyone posts in the new format as Crazy it’s not me. I tried to register as CrαZy but it wouldn’t allow the α so it went through as CrZy. I tried to change it to CraZy, but it said that name was already taken. So for now I’m (akaCraZy)
Yeah, how dare they decide that Delgado, Teheran and Hanson offer more upside, not just next season but going forward than Maholm. I guess there’s absolutely no way those 3 could provide equal to greater value.
What does this have to do with whether they should trade Maholm, whether they’re likely to get good value for Maholm in a trade?
It seems your argument presupposes that Delgado and Teheran have to pitch in the majors, in the rotation, next season.
It also ignores the possibility that the value Hanson offers could be in the form of a trade for a need and could be favorable to the Braves, although I would say that’s far from a sure thing, given the way Hanson has pitched this year and the injury concerns. But it’s a possibility nonetheless.
It’s not as simple as trading the guy that offers the least future value and potential. For one, the don’t have to trade any of these guys. Second, it’s a mistake to trade a guy just to get rid of him when you don’t need to.
trading a 30HR hitting right handed hitter and a $6.5M left handed starter who averages 6+IP a start and 3.50 ERA.
Oh, I didn’t see where you were talking projections in the statement. Sounded more like your talking absolutes here, since Maholm is more like a 4.25 ERA, 6+IP.
AT, I don’t understand your argument. We have the following SPs under team control for multiple years: Minor, Medlen, Delgado, Teheran, Beachy, Hanson. Ignoring the fact that we have Hudson and Maholm almost certainly returning next season, someone in that group of 6 would have to be the odd man out eventually, anyway. I don’t think it really matters whether Hanson has more long-term value in our rotation than Maholm (which I think Maholm will be more valuable, for the record). Eventually, one of those 6 will be left out. I’d probably prefer to trade Hanson and hang onto the rest. So, if a team would potentially give up more for multiple years of Hanson, why not do it?
nobody said that Maholm is an ace and there are probably only a few Braves that are truly untouchable. Maholm is a 4/5 starter, possibly a 3, and a lefty who is under a very reasonable contract for next year. We should have learned this year that you can never have too much pitching depth
Shaun, how about you show me where I stated specifically that they should trade Maholm.. ready, if your going to accuse me of it, then show me the specific statement I said. I said and have continued to say…..IF they were to move a starter, he would make more sense.
So get off your self rightousness with statements like this… It’s not as simple as trading the guy that offers the least future value and potential. For one, the don’t have to trade any of these guys. Second, it’s a mistake to trade a guy just to get rid of him when you don’t need to.
I swear…the Braves could be in the middle of a wild card play-in game, and everyone would still want to talk about who’s being traded and who’s in the lineup in 2013. I don’t get it. Plenty of time for that after the last pitch is thrown.
So your projections are that Maholm has more value than say Delgado, Teheran, and Hanson?
Actually, AT, I think you are the only one suggesting that the scenario demands moving Maholm or moving one or all of the other pitchers.
I’d let Hanson, Teheran and Delgado compete for the final spot in a rotation of Hudson, Medlen, Maholm, Minor. Or let Medlen, Teheran and Delgado compete for a final spot in a rotation of Hudson, Hanson, Minor and Maholm. The non-winners of the competition can be placed in the minors or the bullpen. As I fully believe that no matter who is in the rotation, pitching depth will be needed next year.
SHaun – I agree that Teheran and Delgado have much more trade value than Maholm, especially in the offseason. If the Braves were to trade Maholm (which I don’t think they have any inclination to do so), they would get max value at the trade deadline when clubs need an experienced starter
Is the blog moving to a format where you are required to register to post? Did I miss this somewhere along the line? Sorry if this has come up before. I’ve spent the last week working for my company issuing forecasts on Isaac.
Rizzo and Davey are fighting. Looks like they really will shut down Stras. Good chance they still win the East.
LA and SF is a battle. If LA can find any pitching (Billingsley probably out, Beckett is… Beckett. I see Bedard in their future.) It looks like we are really fighting LA, SF, StL and or a fading Pittsburgh for the WC.
Oh that’s just boring. I say we trade Maholm for Granderson. And trade Hanson for Mauer, stick Mauer in LF, move Kimbrel to the 3b and make Prado the new closer.
I swear…the Braves could be in the middle of a wild card play-in game, and everyone would still want to talk about who’s being traded and who’s in the lineup in 2013. I don’t get it.
The grass is always greener elsewhere to some here. It’s pretty astounding to me too, Brian.
IF they were to move a starter, he would make more sense.
If the reason for moving a starter is making room in a rotation. But I don’t see them trading starters just to make room. IF they were to move a starter it would be to acquire a player who can help the team at another position, say CF or LF or 3B… and getting a guy to fill one of those spots by way of trade is going to take more than Paul Maholm, but not much more than one of Hanson, Delgado or Teheran.
Braves did 2.37 million last year in attendance through 79 home games and an average of 30,037. Good for 15th among all MLB teams.
This year, we’re at 1,893,433 through 65 home games, an average of 29,129 – good for 16th in the majors.
I’d expect us to increase those averages as we get closer to Chipper’s last home games. 9 of the 17 home games left are on the weekend. We’ll need to average 29,630 to reach 2.4 million in attendance.
Is the blog moving to a format where you are required to register to post? Did I miss this somewhere along the line?
I have seen people allude to this all day, but I have found no where yet which states as much on this site, or which requires me to log in… At any rate, I secured my name in the registry just in case.
I swear…the Braves could be in the middle of a wild card play-in game, and everyone would still want to talk about who’s being traded and who’s in the lineup in 2013. I don’t get it. Plenty of time for that after the last pitch is thrown.
Are you really surprised by this? It’s really not uncommon in sports. Fans are always looking into the future, especially in Baseball.
I don’t even know where people are talking about “registering”. The front Braves page looks a little different, but I haven’t had to do anything different today to post or read the blog.
IF they were to move a starter, [Maholm] would make more sense.
AT, I understand your argument. I just disagree that it is likely true. If they trade Maholm in this coming offseason, I don’t think they are likely to get much because he’s merely solid, he isn’t that young and he only has one year left on his contract. If they trade someone else, they are likely to get something more useful in return because most of their other pitchers are fairly young and their contracts are more team-favorable. Unless they really don’t think they can win next year, they probably shouldn’t trade Maholm because he’s going to help them next year and what they get for him probably wouldn’t help them any more than Maholm himself.
Are you really surprised by this? It’s really not uncommon in sports. Fans are always looking into the future, especially in Baseball.
If you say so…I don’t really follow any other sports/team blogs like this.
I just wish there was more discussion about last night’s game, and today’s game, and how players are performing right now, etc. Much more relevant to me.
Maholm has been a 4/5 starter who is working his way to a 3..
What’s the league average ERA? And, if you have a league average ERA for your career, does that mean you’re a #3 starter? I hope not, to be honest. I know….#3 = middle = average, but for some friggin reason I just don’t look at it that way.
Well, I prefer not to register just because … so if they switch to the new format, there’s a good chance I’ll be gone. If so, it’s been good chatting with all of you off and on for the last few years.
Demands, framing in an emphatic way through persistent posts suggesting it is an either or case…
The more recent post framing your opinion as a hypothetical based on some need to trade a pitcher … I’d still disagree that moving Maholm is going to happen, or is a good idea. I don’t see any reason to trade him. He will not return enough in a trade to make it worth while.
To register, go to the home page, look at the upper right. blogs.ajc.com is either an old server or will be moved to the new format. We already see lot’s of stalls and time outs today and a new Falcons blog showed up with the new format in place, though it was not on a blogs subdomain.
It’s coming, might as well get your name now and be ready. My money is that the next “focal” blog will require the login.
I just wish there was more discussion about last night’s game, and today’s game, and how players are performing right now, etc. Much more relevant to me.
You can only analyze that stuff so much. Winter is the best time on this blog, imo. Really good conversation and I think most of the regulars would agree with that.
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BF54
August 29th, 2012
1:44 pm
prayers to my friends on the gulf coast
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
1:50 pm
I think we can agree that Hudson, Minor and Medlen are probably locks for next season. That leaves just 2 spots to fill, one of which Beachy will feel once he returns. So, basically you’ve got to make a decision between Delgado, Maholm, Hanson and Teheran over filling those last 2 spots.
Kat
August 29th, 2012
1:54 pm
At yesterday’s game I sat next to a guy who played against Chipper in the minors and did a stint at Seattle in the majors for a bit. At first he only said that he was friends with ‘the 3rd basemen’ while Chase was on the field so it sounded like he meant him but didn’t give a name to which 3rd baseman. However his Bow Hunting hat kinda gave it away that it was Chipper. So I asked if it was Chip and he said yes. Didn’t catch the guy’s name, but Chippers agent got them the tickets. Interesting to know that even they have to use Stub Hub. I only know this because the tickets we bought were a set of 2 or 4, we bought 2 and his agent must have bought the other two. The guys were very nice and chatted a lot. He mentioned how Chipper talked to him about the surf board yesterday and what do do with it and how he’s headed down to Atlanta to see his last games there.
Now off to the airport… only the Sept 9th (last Mets game) and Oct 3rd (last reg season game) left for me this season. Unless we go into the post season and I decide to take a trip…
BFChris27
August 29th, 2012
1:58 pm
Just got some winds and rain from Isaac here. Glad it wasn’t as bad is it might have been. I send my prayers to those directly affected by it.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
1:59 pm
We could quite possibly enter the off season thinking that we don’t have any everyday spots to fill. I could end up extending Bourn and they may feel that Juan could take 3rd. We’ve also got the option of Janish at 3rd, not saying it will happen but not saying it won’t either. So it’s quite possible we won’t be trading out of necessity.
ACE
August 29th, 2012
2:02 pm
Meds to the rescue
ACE
August 29th, 2012
2:02 pm
Meds to the rescue
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
2:04 pm
Janish at 3rd is not an option. He’s not even Plácido Polanco levels with the stick. I think we do have to lean on Juan some, at least against RH. With Prado in LF for the most part part, we’d just need a RH platoon mate for him and a CF. Heyward in RF is preferable, but in “Lou” of that, a RF with Hayward in CF. Even leaning on Juan we are going to need 1 1/2 outfielders.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
2:04 pm
How is one year of Maholm at 6.5 mil more valuable to the club than..
Hanson with 4 more years of control, very manage salary, higher ceiling
This year: Maholm averages 6.1 IP/GS. Hanson averages 5.2 IP/GS.
With what I’m seeing out of Hanson this year and the last half of last year, I think Maholm has better value to the team on the team next year than Hanson does. Actually, Hanson hasn’t averaged 6 or more IP/GS since his rookie season. It just keeps going down for him. Over the last three years Maholm has averaged 6 IP/GS and he keep improving. And he too is pretty cheap. No reason to trade this guy.
tony austin
August 29th, 2012
2:04 pm
So, basically you’ve got to make a decision between Delgado, Maholm, Hanson and Teheran – Arkansas Transplant
Of those four I’ll take Maholm any day of the week.
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
We’ve also got the option of Janish at 3rd,
LOL…now I think you’re just messin’ with us.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
We have a RH platoon mate.. we could extend Reed Johnson. He can play any outfield position.
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
2:08 pm
* RH platoon mate for Prado because he would presumably be at 3b against LH pitching.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
2:11 pm
That leaves just 2 spots to fill, one of which Beachy will feel once he returns. So, basically you’ve got to make a decision between Delgado, Maholm, Hanson and Teheran over filling those last 2 spots
If Wren is smart, this phrase “one of which Beachy will feel,” makes no sense and even if implemented with popper grammar is a terrible way to plan for the GM. It is such a terrible, terrible idea of a plan, that well, it could only be matched in incompetence by trading a 30HR hitting right handed hitter and a $6.5M left handed starter who averages 6+IP a start and 3.50 ERA.
DAP
August 29th, 2012
2:11 pm
count schemula “The Yankees got power-hitting 1B and outfielder Nick Swisher from the Chicago White Sox for utility infielder Wilson Betemit.” Did not know this. That was a good trade by the Yankees.
same offseason the braves got javier vazquez. i was so ticked we didnt snag swisher as well, especially when i saw the yanks got him for. we would have made the playoffs in ‘09 with swish in RF, or playing 1st.
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
2:12 pm
I agree on Reed Johnson. He’s professional enough to make us forget all about Diaz and Hinske. So, now we just need a Pagan or some RF. Assuming BJ Upton is verboten.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
2:12 pm
…and also playing Janish at 3B every day.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
2:19 pm
trading a 30HR hitting right handed hitter
Do we have one of these to trade?
It is such a terrible, terrible idea of a plan
Yeah, how dare they decide that Delgado, Teheran and Hanson offer more upside, not just next season but going forward than Maholm. I guess there’s absolutely no way those 3 could provide equal to greater value. Really? Mahlom is a true ace no doubt.. untouchable.
Bat Masterson
August 29th, 2012
2:20 pm
Hello
Hmmmm
August 29th, 2012
2:22 pm
AJC tech guys need to fix the Twitter feed! How am I suppose to get my daily dose of AJC Sports tweets in one convenient place if I can’t even see it???
I like the old lay better ……..
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
2:22 pm
Janish does not play 3b every day. Not a chance. Juan is far from perfect, and it’s inexcusable for him to have loafed off half the season with a starting 3b job up for grabs, but, he has what, 9HR in 167ABs? And he’s a terrible pinch hitter. Give Juan 400ABs as a starter and Uggla will be batting 8th for a long time.
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
2:24 pm
just follow Twitter directly in your twitter client, or http://twitter.com/ajcbraves
Jimmy
August 29th, 2012
2:26 pm
Just registered. When the new blog appears, I’m Jimmy63.
Hey Bat. Thunderstorms again?
6:30 game so should be a freash blog soon.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
2:29 pm
So you think it’s far fetched and wouldn’t ever happen that Janish could spell Juan at 3rd?
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
2:29 pm
Shaun, sometimes it’s not about WAR. We may not have a CF next year. At all. I love Prado, but, even he’s not going to be able to pull off CF. Say we do something terrible, like sign Nick Swisher…
count_schemula, who said anything about WAR?
Let’s try this again, and try to focus instead of finding a hidden WAR reference that isn’t there. Heyward likely wouldn’t add as much value, because of defense, in center. He adds a ton of value in right, defensively.
The Braves won’t go in to next season without a true centerfielder. I will just about guarantee it.
Shaun, explain this to me. How is one year of Maholm at 6.5 mil more valuable to the club than..
Arkansas Transplant, who said one year of Maholm at $6.5M is more valuable to the Braves than those things you listed?
The argument is that one year of Maholm at $6.5M is more valuable than anything the Braves could get for Maholm in a trade, so he seems less likely to be traded that some other players or pitchers.
Bat Masterson
August 29th, 2012
2:29 pm
Hey, Jimmy
We had some heavy rain last night. It was over my this morning.
I was catching up on the blog and saw what CraZy said about registering.
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
2:30 pm
So you think it’s far fetched and wouldn’t ever happen that Janish could spell Juan at 3rd?
Like once per month? Janish becoming a regular or semi-regular at 3B is less likely than Phil Niekro coming out of retirement to lead the Braves to the postseason.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
2:31 pm
Do we have one of these to trade?
According to your assessment and definition of project, yes. You stated as much.
Yeah, how dare they decide that Delgado, Teheran and Hanson offer more upside, not just next season but going forward than Maholm.
The terrible, terrible, idea of a plan, is banking on Beachy next year. That’s a horrid plan and I’ll greatly disappointed in Wren if that is his plan.
And, like I said, if that is his plan, it could only be matched in incompetence by trading your a fore mentioned 30HR hitting player, or planning for Janish to be the starting 3B, or trading Paul Maholm.
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
2:33 pm
We have a RH platoon mate.. we could extend Reed Johnson. He can play any outfield position.
I wouldn’t mind Reed Johnson in a leftfield platoon and as a back-up at other positions. He should not be an everyday centerfielder.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
2:33 pm
**definition of projections
Sopheee
August 29th, 2012
2:33 pm
Guess the eee’s will be around all year now since Soph is apparently taken.
CrαZy
August 29th, 2012
2:34 pm
http://www.ajc.com/gallery/sports/football/falcons-keys-2012-season/g3jQ/#2467637
Here’s a falcons blog with the new format…. ??
Animus
August 29th, 2012
2:36 pm
Looks like FF gets the day off today – Prado at 1st.
Jimmy
August 29th, 2012
2:36 pm
Bat – We’ve got Tstorms rolling in from the gulf this afternoon. Very muggy.
I saw what CraZy said too. That’s why I went ahead and did it. I guess the next blog posted will require it. I don’t know for sure.
It asked you for your birthday and only goes back to 1902. So nolie and Lew are SOL.
Animus
August 29th, 2012
2:37 pm
So, six RH batters today – let’s see if it helps against the LH pitcher, (Ross is catching)
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
2:38 pm
Well-deserved day off for Freeman.
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
2:39 pm
So, basically you’ve got to make a decision between Delgado, Maholm, Hanson and Teheran – Arkansas Transplant
The decision could be to let Delgado and Teheran pitch in the minors until or unless they need them. Why force a trade if you don’t have to and you aren’t going to get good value for your team?
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
2:40 pm
Last game Freeman didn’t start was June 18th!
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
“as far as moving Uggla … Some teams would like to have a 30 homer type player in their lineup and would welcome the fact that he’s locked in over the next 3 years. ”
–Arkansas Transplant
[To peg potential] I think it would be fair to look at career numbers.
–Arkansas Transplant
Jimmy
August 29th, 2012
2:43 pm
CraZy – it has an edit function too. Others I’ve been on allow you to edit your post for 5 minutes, then it’s locked.
I don’t know, we’ll see.
Less than 4 hours until game time.
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
2:43 pm
In the last week, Martin Prado has been in the lineup every day, and started at four different positions.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
So your projections are that Maholm has more value than say Delgado, Teheran, and Hanson? And you base this on? Just because someone makes more money doesn’t necessarily mean they are better than any option making less.. ie.. Maholm, Uggla.
What is it about Maholm that you see gives him such great value that the Braves would be wise to hang onto him? Specially given the fact he’s been nothing more than a 5th starter for most of his career. Just wondering why you see him so untouchable.
Bat Masterson
August 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
It asked you for your birthday and only goes back to 1902. So nolie and Lew are SOL. Jimmy
Jimmy_
Me, too, but I lied. It’s muggy here and clouding up again.
CrαZy
August 29th, 2012
2:46 pm
If anyone posts in the new format as Crazy it’s not me. I tried to register as CrαZy but it wouldn’t allow the α so it went through as CrZy. I tried to change it to CraZy, but it said that name was already taken. So for now I’m (akaCraZy)
nolie
August 29th, 2012
2:47 pm
02? yeah I am screwed, CB too.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 29th, 2012
2:47 pm
Ross playing (again) the day before a day-off…boo!…
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
“Here’s a falcons blog with the new format…. ??”
The report abuse feature looks like it got hit with the Six Sigma stick. In a good way.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
What the crud happened to the AJC website??…
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
Yeah, how dare they decide that Delgado, Teheran and Hanson offer more upside, not just next season but going forward than Maholm. I guess there’s absolutely no way those 3 could provide equal to greater value.
What does this have to do with whether they should trade Maholm, whether they’re likely to get good value for Maholm in a trade?
It seems your argument presupposes that Delgado and Teheran have to pitch in the majors, in the rotation, next season.
It also ignores the possibility that the value Hanson offers could be in the form of a trade for a need and could be favorable to the Braves, although I would say that’s far from a sure thing, given the way Hanson has pitched this year and the injury concerns. But it’s a possibility nonetheless.
It’s not as simple as trading the guy that offers the least future value and potential. For one, the don’t have to trade any of these guys. Second, it’s a mistake to trade a guy just to get rid of him when you don’t need to.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
trading a 30HR hitting right handed hitter and a $6.5M left handed starter who averages 6+IP a start and 3.50 ERA.
Oh, I didn’t see where you were talking projections in the statement. Sounded more like your talking absolutes here, since Maholm is more like a 4.25 ERA, 6+IP.
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
2:51 pm
Phillies shut down Vance Worley for the season. Most likely means we’ll face Halladay, Lee and Hamels this weekend now. That stinks.
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
2:52 pm
Atlanta Braves @Braves
Today’s lineup at SD (6:35, SPSO/680AM/BRN): Bourn 8 Johnson 7 Heyward 9 Jones 5 Prado 3 Ross 2 Uggla 4 Janish 6 Hanson 1
nolie
August 29th, 2012
2:52 pm
since Maholm is more like a 4.25 ERA, 6+IP…AT
not any more….
BF54
August 29th, 2012
2:53 pm
that deserves to be booed
DAM
August 29th, 2012
2:53 pm
AT, I don’t understand your argument. We have the following SPs under team control for multiple years: Minor, Medlen, Delgado, Teheran, Beachy, Hanson. Ignoring the fact that we have Hudson and Maholm almost certainly returning next season, someone in that group of 6 would have to be the odd man out eventually, anyway. I don’t think it really matters whether Hanson has more long-term value in our rotation than Maholm (which I think Maholm will be more valuable, for the record). Eventually, one of those 6 will be left out. I’d probably prefer to trade Hanson and hang onto the rest. So, if a team would potentially give up more for multiple years of Hanson, why not do it?
brian
August 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
nobody said that Maholm is an ace and there are probably only a few Braves that are truly untouchable. Maholm is a 4/5 starter, possibly a 3, and a lefty who is under a very reasonable contract for next year. We should have learned this year that you can never have too much pitching depth
nolie
August 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
Big Red running tonight huh? Too bad ours is not Man O’ War or Secretariat
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
Shaun, how about you show me where I stated specifically that they should trade Maholm.. ready, if your going to accuse me of it, then show me the specific statement I said. I said and have continued to say…..IF they were to move a starter, he would make more sense.
So get off your self rightousness with statements like this…
It’s not as simple as trading the guy that offers the least future value and potential. For one, the don’t have to trade any of these guys. Second, it’s a mistake to trade a guy just to get rid of him when you don’t need to.
David O'Brien
August 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
Braves lineup: Bourn CF, Johnson LF, Heyward, Chipper 3B, Prado 1B, Ross C, Uggla 2B, Janish SS, Hanson P
5th different position that Prado has started at on this trip.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
2:55 pm
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .176 .317 .235 0.552 .273 ___68
Reed___ .265 .324 .353 0.677 .306 __102
Heyward .333 .366 .718 1.084 .447 __212
Chipper .278 .350 .583 0.933 .398 __171
Prado__ .263 .317 .342 0.659 .342 ___96
Ross___ .235 .308 .382 0.690 .326 __104
Uggla__ .138 .306 .276 0.581 .279 ___75
Janish_ .121 .171 .212 0.384 .173 ___13
Hanson_ .000 .063 .000 0.063 .036 __-79
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
2:55 pm
I hate LH soft tossers, but I would be very surprised if Maholm was traded and not on this roster in 2013.
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
2:56 pm
So your projections are that Maholm has more value than say Delgado, Teheran, and Hanson? And you base this on?
Did anyone say that Maholm has more value than say Delgado, Teheran and Hanson?
Actually I would say Maholm clearly has less trade value, which is one of the reasons you wouldn’t want to trade him.
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
2:56 pm
5th different position that Prado has started at on this trip.
Yes! Don’t know why I said four positions in my earlier post. 5 positions started in the last 7 days.
nolie
August 29th, 2012
2:56 pm
176,235,138,121 how ya gonna win wid numbers like dat?
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
2:57 pm
not any more….
He’s sort of a different pitcher now, right? Lots of cutters, as oppose to fastball/changeup. At least that’s the big difference I’ve seen.
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
2:57 pm
I swear…the Braves could be in the middle of a wild card play-in game, and everyone would still want to talk about who’s being traded and who’s in the lineup in 2013. I don’t get it. Plenty of time for that after the last pitch is thrown.
brian
August 29th, 2012
2:57 pm
didn’t see that lineup coming. Sure though Uggla may sit for Reed Johnson with Prado at 2B. I guess Freddie could use the rest
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
2:57 pm
Maholm is a 4/5 starter
Yes, and we don’t have plenty of these already?
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
2:58 pm
So your projections are that Maholm has more value than say Delgado, Teheran, and Hanson?
Actually, AT, I think you are the only one suggesting that the scenario demands moving Maholm or moving one or all of the other pitchers.
I’d let Hanson, Teheran and Delgado compete for the final spot in a rotation of Hudson, Medlen, Maholm, Minor. Or let Medlen, Teheran and Delgado compete for a final spot in a rotation of Hudson, Hanson, Minor and Maholm. The non-winners of the competition can be placed in the minors or the bullpen. As I fully believe that no matter who is in the rotation, pitching depth will be needed next year.
brian
August 29th, 2012
2:59 pm
SHaun – I agree that Teheran and Delgado have much more trade value than Maholm, especially in the offseason. If the Braves were to trade Maholm (which I don’t think they have any inclination to do so), they would get max value at the trade deadline when clubs need an experienced starter
Sopheee
August 29th, 2012
2:59 pm
That’s our Pardo.
nolie
August 29th, 2012
2:59 pm
no way is Maholm a #5 starter
DAM
August 29th, 2012
3:01 pm
Is the blog moving to a format where you are required to register to post? Did I miss this somewhere along the line? Sorry if this has come up before. I’ve spent the last week working for my company issuing forecasts on Isaac.
nolie
August 29th, 2012
3:01 pm
97 career ERA + is just under average which pretty much makes him a #3 over career and at least a high 3 over the last 3 seasons
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
Rizzo and Davey are fighting. Looks like they really will shut down Stras. Good chance they still win the East.
LA and SF is a battle. If LA can find any pitching (Billingsley probably out, Beckett is… Beckett. I see Bedard in their future.) It looks like we are really fighting LA, SF, StL and or a fading Pittsburgh for the WC.
Oh that’s just boring. I say we trade Maholm for Granderson. And trade Hanson for Mauer, stick Mauer in LF, move Kimbrel to the 3b and make Prado the new closer.
Hillbilly
August 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
I swear…the Braves could be in the middle of a wild card play-in game, and everyone would still want to talk about who’s being traded and who’s in the lineup in 2013. I don’t get it.
The grass is always greener elsewhere to some here. It’s pretty astounding to me too, Brian.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
IF they were to move a starter, he would make more sense.
If the reason for moving a starter is making room in a rotation. But I don’t see them trading starters just to make room. IF they were to move a starter it would be to acquire a player who can help the team at another position, say CF or LF or 3B… and getting a guy to fill one of those spots by way of trade is going to take more than Paul Maholm, but not much more than one of Hanson, Delgado or Teheran.
brian
August 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
Maholm has been a 4/5 starter who is working his way to a 3
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
3:02 pm
Braves did 2.37 million last year in attendance through 79 home games and an average of 30,037. Good for 15th among all MLB teams.
This year, we’re at 1,893,433 through 65 home games, an average of 29,129 – good for 16th in the majors.
I’d expect us to increase those averages as we get closer to Chipper’s last home games. 9 of the 17 home games left are on the weekend. We’ll need to average 29,630 to reach 2.4 million in attendance.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
3:03 pm
scenario demands moving Maholm
I’d like to see that post of mine.. demands? I think this could be a spin.
nolie
August 29th, 2012
3:03 pm
I have not seen anything that says so DAM, folks are speculating about the sign in box on the home page I guess.
Did I miss something specific guys?
BF54
August 29th, 2012
3:03 pm
Looking forward to watching the Maholum era unfold
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
3:03 pm
Is the blog moving to a format where you are required to register to post? Did I miss this somewhere along the line?
I have seen people allude to this all day, but I have found no where yet which states as much on this site, or which requires me to log in… At any rate, I secured my name in the registry just in case.
nolie
August 29th, 2012
3:04 pm
Maholm has been a 4/5 starter who is working his way to a 3..brian
NWIH
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
3:04 pm
I swear…the Braves could be in the middle of a wild card play-in game, and everyone would still want to talk about who’s being traded and who’s in the lineup in 2013. I don’t get it. Plenty of time for that after the last pitch is thrown.
Are you really surprised by this? It’s really not uncommon in sports. Fans are always looking into the future, especially in Baseball.
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
3:04 pm
New blogs will likely require registering. This one is left over from yesterday. Decent chance DOBs next blog requires registration.
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
3:05 pm
I don’t even know where people are talking about “registering”. The front Braves page looks a little different, but I haven’t had to do anything different today to post or read the blog.
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
3:05 pm
IF they were to move a starter, [Maholm] would make more sense.
AT, I understand your argument. I just disagree that it is likely true. If they trade Maholm in this coming offseason, I don’t think they are likely to get much because he’s merely solid, he isn’t that young and he only has one year left on his contract. If they trade someone else, they are likely to get something more useful in return because most of their other pitchers are fairly young and their contracts are more team-favorable. Unless they really don’t think they can win next year, they probably shouldn’t trade Maholm because he’s going to help them next year and what they get for him probably wouldn’t help them any more than Maholm himself.
CB
August 29th, 2012
3:05 pm
It wouldn’t let me use just CB. I am now CB- Blind Squirrel.
nolie
August 29th, 2012
3:05 pm
why is everybody assuming that count?
brian
August 29th, 2012
3:05 pm
any word on whether the Braves have offered or are considering offering Reed Johnson a contract for the next 1-2 years?
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
3:07 pm
Are you really surprised by this? It’s really not uncommon in sports. Fans are always looking into the future, especially in Baseball.
If you say so…I don’t really follow any other sports/team blogs like this.
I just wish there was more discussion about last night’s game, and today’s game, and how players are performing right now, etc. Much more relevant to me.
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
3:07 pm
Maholm has been a 4/5 starter who is working his way to a 3..
What’s the league average ERA? And, if you have a league average ERA for your career, does that mean you’re a #3 starter? I hope not, to be honest. I know….#3 = middle = average, but for some friggin reason I just don’t look at it that way.
DAM
August 29th, 2012
3:07 pm
Well, I prefer not to register just because … so if they switch to the new format, there’s a good chance I’ll be gone. If so, it’s been good chatting with all of you off and on for the last few years.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
3:07 pm
demands? I think this could be a spin.
Demands, framing in an emphatic way through persistent posts suggesting it is an either or case…
The more recent post framing your opinion as a hypothetical based on some need to trade a pitcher … I’d still disagree that moving Maholm is going to happen, or is a good idea. I don’t see any reason to trade him. He will not return enough in a trade to make it worth while.
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
3:08 pm
To register, go to the home page, look at the upper right. blogs.ajc.com is either an old server or will be moved to the new format. We already see lot’s of stalls and time outs today and a new Falcons blog showed up with the new format in place, though it was not on a blogs subdomain.
It’s coming, might as well get your name now and be ready. My money is that the next “focal” blog will require the login.
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
3:09 pm
nolie, I’d say Maholm is a #4. But I could understand someone viewing him as a #3.
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
3:10 pm
I just wish there was more discussion about last night’s game, and today’s game, and how players are performing right now, etc. Much more relevant to me.
You can only analyze that stuff so much. Winter is the best time on this blog, imo. Really good conversation and I think most of the regulars would agree with that.
BF54
August 29th, 2012
3:10 pm
I was prodded to register,but somehow as of yet, have circumvented: said action
CB
August 29th, 2012
3:11 pm
Efrim, I agree winter blogs are better. Less craziness.