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Lew
August 29th, 2012
11:45 am
Brian – They’re not going to trade Minor even for a “very good outfielder”.
They have money this year and they have minor league pitching depth that will be used for trades if any come about. They aren’t going to dump [pitching – especially MLB ready pitching that’s been pitching well.
And they aren’t going to revamp the rotation like so many here seem to believe. Wren has other needs to fill this winter and he needs to negotiate some longer term dels for several players. He hjas more than enough to do than to mess around with a srength – and our pitching IS a strength.
Venice Jim
August 29th, 2012
11:45 am
Foggy start to the morning in San Diego outside the hotel window…
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
11:45 am
Hanson has pitched much better away from the Ted this year…
At Home: Oppo. .295/.369/.467/.836 with a 4.81 ERA
Away: Oppo. .249/.329/.431/.760 with a 4.01 ERA
Been very bad in the 2nd half…
1st half: Oppo. .254/.322/.421/.744 with a 3.71 ERA
2nd half: Oppo. .323/.425/.532/.957 with a 6.82 ERA
When I get back, I’ll post recent stats for him, like since June…. He’s been bad, and I don’t know why anyone would trade for him.
Lew
August 29th, 2012
11:45 am
I notice that no one seems to believe that they’ll offer Sheets a deal for 2013.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
11:46 am
I think there’s a 98% probability he’ll be in the rotation next year.
I’d be willing to say more like 99.9% chance.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
11:46 am
Sheets getting an offer would probably be contingent on the going rate.
JoeFan
August 29th, 2012
11:47 am
The only question mark in the Braves rotation in 2013 is whether Hanson will be part of it. Hudson, Minor, Medlen and Maholm are almost a certainty. Don’t believe the Braves will throw huges bucks at Greinke. Hanson is a big question mark especially if Beachy is recovered by July-August. The Braves have stocked piled pitchers who if packaged correctly can bring a LF, CF, 3B or 2B depending on which way they opt to move. But the starting rotatin 1-4 should be set barring injury.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
11:49 am
I’d be willing to bet that Maholm would be traded before Minor.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
11:51 am
The Braves really only have like 2 spots in the lineup that they really need to fill this offseason. That’s really it and that number possibly may be 1 depending on the Bourn outcome.
Lew
August 29th, 2012
11:51 am
I don’t think they’ll offer Sheets a contract for next year.
Lew
August 29th, 2012
11:54 am
They won’t trade Maholm, either – not with him only making $6.5 mil next year – they likely can’t replace his production for that much. Hives up a couple of HR’s, but he’s still pitched pretty well since coming to the Braves – just not getting the run support. He’s a keeper – at least for 2013.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
11:54 am
they have minor league pitching depth….He hjas more than enough to do than to mess around with a srength – and our pitching IS a strength.
And that’s exactly why I think if there’s an opportunity to make it that much more stronger, you’ve got to make the move.. of course that’s within reason.
Jeff R
August 29th, 2012
11:54 am
By the way, did anyone see the video of the homer that Pedro Alvarez hit last night at PNC Park? Launched the thing over the right field wall nearly to the river.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
11:55 am
Tommy Hanson
August: 2 starts, .304/.373/.500/.873 with a 5.73 ERA (11 IP)
Since July 1: 8 starts, .301/.385/.489/.874 with a 6.09 ERA (44.1 IP)
Since June 1: 13 starts, .273/.348/.491/.839 with a 4.86 ERA (76 IP)
Since May 1: 19 starts, .278/.355/.477/.833 with a 5.79 ERA (107 IP)
Random
August 29th, 2012
11:56 am
MFin04 (August 29th, 2012 11:26 am): ” ‘Home plate is the only place where this is allowed.’
“I’ve always wondered why guys don’t just run over the SS covering 2nd. Just run straight through the guy to knock the ball out of his glove. Would be great viewing.”
Maybe so.
But unlike home plate, if you overrun second base you’re gonna be tagged out. The shortstop or second baseman wouldn’t even try to block the base (they actually rarely do now) — they’d just holler “Ole” and slap you on the ass as you passed.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
11:56 am
I’m just not has high on Maholm, I think if you can get a decent return you’ve got to make the move. He’s a FA after next season and your not going to sign him long term so it makes much more sense to move him even over Hanson.
David O'Brien
August 29th, 2012
11:57 am
DOB, I respect your opinion greatly and don’t take this the wrong way – I’m sorry, but I have to say this – you said the exact same thing about Mike Minor after his Zona start in April. Nearly the exact same statement. I’m not saying Kris Medlen isn’t legit or isn’t going to be a solid member of this rotation for years to come. He’s shown more than Minor has, for sure… — Efrim
I didn’t take it the wrong way. Because I honestly don’t even know what your point is.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
11:57 am
So please, do pardon me if I don’t think he belongs in our rotation, or has much trading value…. I can’t see what there is to like about it. Why would someone trade for that?!
BTW, Mike Minor was putting up ERA’s similar to that earlier this year, but with better OBA/OBP lines, and was “needed” to be removed from this team’s rotation…. possibly with a trade. Why is it different with Hanson?
Jeff R
August 29th, 2012
11:58 am
They won’t trade Maholm, either – not with him only making $6.5 mil next year – they likely can’t replace his production for that much.
What’s the chances that the Braves practically stand pat on starting pitching until Beachy returns? Or moves Hanson out (via trade) and Delgado in? Then Wren figures things out based on Beachy’s timetable?
Means more dough to dump into the outfield if a pricier starting pitcher isn’t sought, I would think.
Lew
August 29th, 2012
11:58 am
Well, I suppose to some that it makes perfect sense that if you have to fill a couple of outfield positions and negotiate some longer term deals that you’d think about getting pitching instead. Not sure why though.
raleighbravefan
August 29th, 2012
11:58 am
Some won’t consider any of them an “ace”, but I’m pretty OK with Minor, Medlen, Hudson (post bone spur surgery), Maholm, and other in-house options. I think we should also consider another year of Sheets, if he can show that the recent drop-off is fatigue from 2 years of inactivity, and that he can still pitch at a high level (especially with power).
If we could pick up a true #1 by trade, at low cost and a couple of years control, I would be OK with that as well. However, I we have needs at CF, LF and 3rd, with only 1 of those being filled by Prado. I prefer to use our resouces there. I definitely say NO to a major investment in Greinke.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
11:59 am
and our pitching IS a strength.
Potentially… 24th in Quality starts this year. Hopefully we’re better next year.
I notice that no one seems to believe that they’ll offer Sheets a deal for 2013.
I never thought he would be back… he seems to have been signed only because our young guys sukked earlier this year. Next year, they should all be better and/or we’ll have a top of the rotation pitcher as well.
Lew
August 29th, 2012
12:00 pm
The Family Circus Method of Offseason acquisition – instead of moving in a straight line, you go all over the neighborhood instead. But I suppose some just like going around their ass to get to their elbow.
brian
August 29th, 2012
12:01 pm
agree Lew – Minor is not going anywhere
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
12:02 pm
I definitely say YESto a reasonable (as it’s likely to be) investment in Greinke.
Fixed it!
Lew
August 29th, 2012
12:02 pm
Quality starts? YOu mean the stat that many seem to feel is idiotic to begin with?
Not necessary to have quality starts when you have the back end of a bullpen like the Braves do – even without many quality starts, the numbers are pretty definitive – if the Braves hold the lead after six innings, they WILL win.
David O'Brien
August 29th, 2012
12:04 pm
I’m just not has high on Maholm, I think if you can get a decent return you’ve got to make the move. He’s a FA after next season and your not going to sign him long term so it makes much more sense to move him even over Hanson. — Arkansas Transplant
Why would you think they’d trade the proven veteran who’s having his best season and has an extremely affordable $6.5 million option in 2013? That was one of the main points cited when Braves officials got him, the fact that they didn’t have to give up prospects to get a rental player — they got a guy under contractual control for another season, and a very reasonable contract at that.
Would make no sense to trade Maholm and replace him with an unproven and/or erratic younger pitcher. Maholm and Minor will give the Braves two solid lefties in next year’s rotation.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
12:04 pm
Then Wren figures things out based on Beachy’s timetable?
Wren should not be planning the rotation for next year based on Beachy. He should spend the winter building a rotation as if Beachy isn’t going to be available at all and plan on Beachy being a part of it in 2014.
Pitchers can come back from the surgery fast these days, but they are limited in their work and typically their results take a while to catch up. So build as if he isn’t there. By the time he is back, the team might need him to fill in for some other pitcher. Or the team might not need him at all, which will allow him to come back and get in the groove without negatively impacting the team.
TennesseePaul
August 29th, 2012
12:05 pm
Why would you think they’d trade the proven veteran…
DOB, AT is always looking for an angle to trade a player.
Gone Viral
August 29th, 2012
12:06 pm
Dear Kris Medlen: I love you. I’m in love with you.
King of Carrot Flowers
August 29th, 2012
12:07 pm
Here’s a question for the blog about pitching limits, which I’ve never heard addressed…
When trying to protect a pitcher’s arm over the course of one game, pitch count is king. Innings don’t matter. If a pitcher is allowed 100 pitches, he can do it in 5 innings or 9 innings.
Yet when trying to protect a pitcher’s arm over the course of an entire season, it’s all about innings.
What’s the logic there? One pitcher could throw 200 innings with the same number of total pitches that it takes another pitcher to throw 140 innings. Why have a one-size-fits-all innings limit?
DiamondbackMac
August 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
Lew
The Family Circus Method of Offseason acquisition
Thanks for that. It brought a smile on a gloomy day.
DS1
August 29th, 2012
12:09 pm
Great game last night. Very good to put a face with the names for Venice Jim, cab and Kat.
All great folks!
And now I am 2-1 on the season. It’s all on VJ and cab to keep the Braves going today!
Spending the day w/ extended family, but my smart phone keeps me updated w/ the score.
Bo Graves!
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
12:10 pm
YOu mean the stat that many seem to feel is idiotic to begin with?
Yeah, that one…. it’s still important to get those… it means that your pitchers are going about 6 innings, and allowing 3 or fewer runs.
Doing so usually puts your team in a great spot to win the game. Can’t go 5 innings and allow 5 runs and expect to win often, no matter how good your back of the ‘pen is…. ask the Padres. They’re 21st in quality starts (not good, but better than us) and have a great back end of the bullpen.
Brava
August 29th, 2012
12:12 pm
I don’t have a warm and fuzzy about today’s game. Eric Stults LHP, Hanson, day game (balls likely to go out). Sure hope the Braves can pull it out, but the odds aren’t in their favor.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
12:12 pm
DOB, I’d still move Maholm before I would Hanson. Hanson presently is a backend rotation starter but he’s shown in the past he could very easily be a number 2 or 3 guy. Maholm has never shown that ability, he’s only thrown more than 200 innings once over his 7 year career, has a career WHIP of 1.395. Hanson on the other hand has also thrown over 200 innings once in his 4 year career while posting a career WHIP of 1.242. I was simply saying, if there’s going to be someone moved over the offseason I’d be more inclined to move the guy that’s not going to be here past next season anyway and since we’ve already got a number 4 or 5 guy in Hanson for way less the price and he’s here past next season.
cricket
August 29th, 2012
12:13 pm
so we DFA’d Hanson, traded Minor for mythical 40-hr LF guy, traded Maholm so far here today? man, i thought i was busy at work..
raleighbravefan
August 29th, 2012
12:14 pm
TOBF – I think you value Hanson too loe…12-6 (I know, dependant on run support) ERA 4.40, 2.08 SO/BB ratio…Not currently #1 anymore, but not chopped liver. Good value, if not to us, to someone else.
I think you undervalue our staff. You quote things like quality starts, but how do we stand in all stats since, oh let’s say, the all star break. JJ is no longer pitching, nor Delgado, Minor has figured it out, Maholm has been solid, Huddy great when not hurting, Sheets has already given much more than expected, and now there’s the Medlen factor.
Finally, I think you overvalue Greinke. Ironically, I think a lot do, and I think his price would be way too high, as a result.
raleighbravefan
August 29th, 2012
12:17 pm
TNPaul – I don’t think Wren is counting on Beach for 2013, at all.
DiamondbackMac
August 29th, 2012
12:17 pm
Lew
I think Friediech Nietzsche may have spoken for many Braves bloggers long before blogging was born.
“It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!”/
Venice Jim
August 29th, 2012
12:17 pm
We’re going for a perfect season (3-0) today, and I am sure Tommy won’t want to let down one of his fellow Southern Californians (cab, not me)…
Venice Jim
August 29th, 2012
12:19 pm
Not even sure how I would characterize myself regionally – too many choices…
cricket
August 29th, 2012
12:19 pm
Not necessary to have quality starts when you have the back end of a bullpen like the Braves do
yes, a mid-payroll team like braves can’t have all-stars all over the place. they have to build and play to their strengths. with super strong bullpen, they can win with bunch of no. 2.5 / 3s in rotation.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
12:20 pm
but how do we stand in all stats since, oh let’s say, the all star break
But most of that is on the backs of our top starters (Hudson, Minor, Sheets until he got hurt)… Medlen and Maholm continue to add to that. Hanson is a weak link…. a very weak link. It’s one thing to be a #4-5 pitcher, and it’s another to be that while being hit as hard as he has.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
12:20 pm
TP, I’m not always angling to trade players just looking at what would make more sense in my opinion. Given the circumstances of our current starters, Maholm would be odd man out in my opinion if we decided to move someone to make room for someone like Teheran/Delgado/someone from within. The differences between Hanson and Maholm aren’t enough for me to justify moving someone you have undercontrol past next season at a much lower cost than someone that costs more and in results is going to give you about the same level of return.
Lew
August 29th, 2012
12:20 pm
Ten Paul – Absolutley right there – anything Beachy gives us next year is icing on the cake.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
12:21 pm
Maholm at best is a 4th or 5th starter in the majors.
cricket
August 29th, 2012
12:21 pm
(balls likely to go out)
in petco?
Brava
August 29th, 2012
12:22 pm
Well, more so than at night, cricket.
raleighbravefan
August 29th, 2012
12:23 pm
AT – I like Maholm more than Hanson right now. Hanson will likely get every chance, at least through ST next year, to prove that he can still do the job. Right now, I just hope we can get a “quality start” out of him, and that he gives up less than 5 stolen bases per game, (facetious exaggeration, BTW, before someone overreacts).
cricket
August 29th, 2012
12:23 pm
Maholm is not going anywhere
DiamondbackMac
August 29th, 2012
12:25 pm
Lew
I think Friedrich Nietzche may have been speaking for Braves bloggers long before blogging was invented.
“It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!”
Lew
August 29th, 2012
12:25 pm
DBack – Well, likely Neitzsche actually had a reason for his opinions.
Juan
August 29th, 2012
12:25 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/mlb-rumors/19966586/report-cole-hamels-scratched-from-wednesdays-start
I think the Phillis skip Hamel so he can pitch again the Braves on Sunday.
They going to with they best three….Halladay,Lee,Hamel
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
12:26 pm
Dang, that was going to be Vance Worley on Sunday!
DiamondbackMac
August 29th, 2012
12:27 pm
Sorry about the double post, there seems to have been a malfunction.
BF54
August 29th, 2012
12:27 pm
Win one for So-Cal’s sakes Tommy
here is a turtles song for Mcfann now that B is feeling better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=MFlNxDGPlvA
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
12:28 pm
I like Maholm more than Hanson right now.
As do I, he’s currently giving more value to the team.. but like you said right now. I wouldn’t give up on Tommy just yet, he’s only 25 and he’s proven in the past he can be very affective. I’m just not going to fall in love with Maholm over just 5 games and declare him untouchable.
Venice Jim
August 29th, 2012
12:31 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
#dodgers person didnt seem that enthused about oswalt. appears they liked him more before he started pitching (5.94 era)
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
12:33 pm
I’m just not has high on Maholm, I think if you can get a decent return you’ve got to make the move. He’s a FA after next season and your not going to sign him long term so it makes much more sense to move him even over Hanson. — Arkansas Transplant
Why would you think they’d trade the proven veteran who’s having his best season and has an extremely affordable $6.5 million option in 2013? That was one of the main points cited when Braves officials got him, the fact that they didn’t have to give up prospects to get a rental player — they got a guy under contractual control for another season, and a very reasonable contract at that.–DOB
Arkansas Transplant, I think Maholm is a number 4, which is fine. What team is going to give the Braves equal value for a number 4 whose contract is up after next season? I’m guessing Maholm might bring back a prospect or two that have a decent shot at becoming useful major leaguers but are well outside most teams’ top 10. How is that sort of package worth more than what Maholm is likely to provide next season, even if he is around a #4?
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
12:33 pm
I’m just not going to fall in love with Maholm over just 5 games and declare him untouchable.
I think he is untouchable (unless of course some deal like Trout for Maholm comes up). We traded Viz for him, and that wouldn’t have happened for 2 rentals (Reed/Maholm)
Jeff R
August 29th, 2012
12:34 pm
I like Maholm. Has no fastball to speak of and has to rely on his smarts to get batters out. He’s a pitcher, not a thrower.
David O'Brien
August 29th, 2012
12:42 pm
Medlen majors-best 0.50 ERA in August (min. 22 IP). Next-best are 1.08 by Seattle’s Felix Hernandez, 1.42 by St. Louis’ Kyle Lohse, 1.47 by St. Louis’ Adam Wainwright.
I think Medlen (4-0, 0.50 ERA in 5 starts, 35 K w/ 4 BB in 35-2/3 IP) has slight edge for NL pitcher of the month over Wainwright (5-0, 1.47 ERA in 5 starts, 33 K and 5 BB in 36-2/3 IP).
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
Arkansas Transplant, If the Braves traded Hanson, they’d be selling low, but you never know. Perhaps some team will give up something significant, thinking that Hanson can be a legit #2 or #3. If so, the Braves probably would move him.
The reason they would probably move Hanson over Maholm is because Hanson clearly has more potential (better stuff, younger, has had some solid seasons in the majors), a more team-favorable contract status and therefore would bring back more value in a trade.
Teams trade contracts, not just players. You can’t just evaluate the likelihood of a trade purely based on the players and their talent, potential, etc.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
How is that sort of package worth more than what Maholm is likely to provide next season, even if he is around a #4?
It’s not really about that, it’s about thinking past next season. Doesn’t Maholm have value to us past next season? Cause if we don’t sign him to an extension he won’t but the 1 or 2 prospects you mentioned would, right? I’m simply stating that if you compare his value against the value of our other options, he simply the odd man out. Am I saying they move him this winter? No. Could they move him? Yes. Could it be more beneficial long term to move him over moving someone else? Most likely.
Currently we’ll have these options… these are in house options I’m talking about…
Hudson, Hanson, Beachy, Medlen, Delgado, Minor, Teheran, Maholm and Possibly Gilmartin and Sheets depending on price and developments for both. Now look at those options, thinking past just next year, who has the higher ceillings and offers the best value… remember think long term… who’s odd man out?
TOBF, I’m not so sure that the Braves really saw Viz as a very viable option as a starter, more of a reliever. But I could be wrong.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
12:45 pm
. Perhaps some team will give up something significant, thinking that Hanson can be a legit #2 or #3
Not happening….
NO MORE FREDI
August 29th, 2012
12:45 pm
If I were Frank Wren…..
Trade Hanson now for a bat to play LF and put Prado at 2B. Have Uggla off the bench. Make it happen and go for it this year before another season of we should’ve and could’ve.
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
12:47 pm
Why is there always so much more talk on the blog about the off-season than the current season? This seems to be a constant, whether the Braves win or lose.
Brian from SC
August 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
Trade Hanson now for a bat to play LF and put Prado at 2B. Have Uggla off the bench. Make it happen and go for it this year before another season of we should’ve and could’ve.
You know July 31st has already past, right? You think the team that would claim Hanson on waivers would just so happen to have a major-league outfielder they want to trade, who would also clear waivers?
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
Trade Hanson now for a bat to play LF
Trading him for a bat? Yeah, I can see that…. I’ll take 10 ash bats for McCann. No way is Hanson getting us any decent LF…. not even Gregor Blanco.
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
I’m just not going to fall in love with Maholm over just 5 games and declare him untouchable.
No one should be untouchable. Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Medlen, whomever shouldn’t be untouchable. But the problem is how are you going to get equal or better value for those types of cheap, young and productive players? The Braves simply aren’t likely to get back what Maholm is likely to be worth next season.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
12:49 pm
Teams trade contracts, not just players. You can’t just evaluate the likelihood of a trade purely based on the players and their talent, potential, etc.
I’m well aware of that. If he has so much value and potential at a lower cost.. then why would a team with a limited budget and really no need to trade him just decide to trade him? Maybe if you gave examples of who they may try to acquire and so forth it would give more wieght behind where the value truely lies.
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
12:49 pm
I didn’t take it the wrong way. Because I honestly don’t even know what your point is.
Sample size. One start, or six starts doesn’t make Medlen an elite pitcher. Would love to see the kid toss 200 innings before we start saying folks were wrong and such.
Mountain Braves Fan
August 29th, 2012
12:51 pm
LEW-Wren has other needs to fill this winter and he needs to negotiate some longer term deals for several players. He has more than enough to do than to mess around with a strength – and our pitching IS a strength.
Totally agree. The departure of Bourn and the retirement of Chipper will leave two gaping holes in the lineup, and the solution to one of those holes, Prado, is only under team control through 2013. The Braves biggest weakness this season, and likely going forward, is their vulnerability to left handed pitching. Seems to me that is the problem Wren needs to address.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 29th, 2012
12:54 pm
I’m heading home guys, got errands to run…. y’all take care, talk later. Peace.
BF54
August 29th, 2012
12:54 pm
It comes with loving the Braves ‘ “we’ll get em’next year” used to be our lot in life
this year we have a strong team and epic stories
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
Why is there always so much more talk on the blog about the off-season than the current season? This seems to be a constant, whether the Braves win or lose.
That’s a lot of blogs. Not just this one. Always looking to the future, man.
Efrim
August 29th, 2012
12:59 pm
I’d say Hudson, Maholm, Medlen and Minor were near locks for next years rotation. With the uncertainty of Hanson, Beachy’s injury and growing pains of Teheran and Delgado – just makes sense to keep those four locked in.
brian
August 29th, 2012
12:59 pm
what happened with Carroll’s Duke pitcher Stroman???? Just drafted now already suspended 50 games??
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
Seems like Delgado is the only pitcher we have for fair value, and he’s not bringing a top tier OF.
The key to next season feels like can we put Juan at 3b for 100 games in a platoon with Prado? Prado starts in LF when Juan is at 3rd and a Reed Johnson or other professional player splits LF with Prado. Assuming we lose Bourn, maybe Heyward ends up in CF? Or leave Heyward in RF and see if Pagan is reasonable.
If we can’t get ~100 games out of Juan at 3b then Prado plays 3b and we need 2 OFs. There are not 2 OFs out there.
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
1:04 pm
Arkansas Transplant, that’s the problem. The Braves still have to play next season and they are likely going to contend next season. So why give up Maholm, a player who is likely to help next season, for an okay prospect or two who might help them down the road?
As far as Maholm being the odd man out, sure, if Teheran and/or Delgado show that they are clearly ready to come to the majors and be something like #3 starters between now and Opening Day of next season, maybe you force the issue and trade Maholm. What are the chances of that? And even if they do show that kind of potential between now and Opening Day, we all know the risks with pitchers? So why give up a pitcher for less-than-ideal value unless it’s obvious that he’s not making your rotation?
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
1:07 pm
Shaun, so your saying Maholm is a #3 starter? I’d argue he’s at best a #4.
brian
August 29th, 2012
1:14 pm
Maholm is not going anywhere.
The A Bomb
August 29th, 2012
1:16 pm
Arguing about who’s #3 and #4 is irrelevant. Minor and Maholm would have to be split in any rotation so it’s useless to argue semantics.
raleighbravefan
August 29th, 2012
1:16 pm
AT – I can’t quite figure you out…always proposing trades, any trades…many of which don’t seem to make much sense. Are you trying to keep things stirred up…you know…like a gambler, you enjoy the action?
Perhaps you should consider persuing a career as a stock or commodities trader. Of course, then you would have to learn to evaluate the true value of an asset.
No offese or malice intended, my friend. Just saying…
Kat
August 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
Breakfast this morning at Mission in SD was great! Highly recommend it of anyone is ever in town.
Kat
August 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
Breakfast this morning at The Mission in SD was great! Highly recommend it of anyone is ever in town.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
Maholm is not going anywhere.
The funny thing about that statement.. is.. I don’t know that anyone said that he was.
raleighbravefan
August 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
A Bomb – I actually agree with you. Nit picking over whether a guy is a #3 or a #4 is a rediculous argument. Even if not, can a guy move up or down? Is that a #whatever in general, or a #whatever to us, and our existing rotation? Give me a break.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
1:24 pm
raleighbravefan, honestly.. I never proposed a trade of either Maholm, Minor or Hanson. I was simply stating, in my opinion, out of all of the options we currently have available and the talent level of each, along with projections of next season and past, that Maholm would be of less value to me. Otherwise, the first to be moved.. if anyone was to be moved.
Side note… If there was an option or opportunity to acquire someone like a Myers in a trade that involved Hanson.. then by all means.. do the trade.
Shaun
August 29th, 2012
1:24 pm
I’m well aware of that. If he has so much value and potential at a lower cost.. then why would a team with a limited budget and really no need to trade him just decide to trade him? Maybe if you gave examples of who they may try to acquire and so forth it would give more wieght behind where the value truely lies.
Arkansas Transplant, I’m assuming you are referring to Hanson here. I think the Braves may explore a Hanson trade because there is at least some chance that they can fill a need by trading him. They put Hanson in the right package and perhaps he brings back a starting centerfielder or leftfielder. It’s not a sure think but such a scenario is more likely to happen with Hanson and is less likely to happen with Maholm, given Maholm’s contract situation, age and talent.
count_schemula, seems like Heyward could handle centerfield adequately but he wouldn’t add as much defensive value there. He’s elite in right, so I don’t think they want to lose that kind of defensive value.
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
1:30 pm
Does Maholm provide 6 million dollars more a value over, Degado? Minor? Gilmartin? Teheran? How about 3 or 4 more million over Hanson?
brian
August 29th, 2012
1:32 pm
Maholm is a very solid #4-#5. If he has truly figured something out he could be a 3.
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
1:32 pm
Shaun, sometimes it’s not about WAR. We may not have a CF next year. At all. I love Prado, but, even he’s not going to be able to pull off CF. Say we do something terrible, like sign Nick Swisher…
MikeInFl
August 29th, 2012
1:40 pm
Maholm is a 3.7834, maybe a 3.7825. If he continues to work hard, he could become a 3.174.
BF54
August 29th, 2012
1:41 pm
I concur M I FLA
Kat
August 29th, 2012
1:41 pm
Sorry for the double post – browser was crashing on my phone.
count_schemula
August 29th, 2012
1:41 pm
“The Yankees got power-hitting 1B and outfielder Nick Swisher from the Chicago White Sox for utility infielder Wilson Betemit.” Did not know this. That was a good trade by the Yankees.
The Braves traded Betemit for… Danys Baez and infielder Willy Aybar.
BF54
August 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
Nice cool day in New England
Arkansas Transplant
August 29th, 2012
1:44 pm
Shaun, explain this to me. How is one year of Maholm at 6.5 mil more valuable to the club than..
Hanson with 4 more years of control, very manage salary, higher ceiling
Delgado with 6 more years of control, very manage salary, higher ceiling
Medlen with 4 more years of control at very manage salary, higher ceiling
Teheran with 6 more years of control at very manage salary, higher ceiling
Beachy with 5 more years of control at very manage salary, higher ceiling
And all of these will either give you very similiar results to Maholm and possibly even better results.