Braves held scoreless in loss to debuting Padre pitcher
SAN DIEGO – The Braves didn’t have much difficulty beating pitchers Madison Bumgarner and Tim Lincecum in front of sellout crowds at San Francisco Saturday and Sunday.
But up against 22-year-old Casey Kelly, making his major league debut for San Diego before a sparse Monday night crowd at Petco Park?
Trouble.
Kelly, the son of former Braves minor league manager Pat Kelly, pitched six innings of three-hit ball and the streaking Padres blanked the Braves 3-0 in the opener of a three-game series.
“That team has won eight in a row now, pitching well and playing well,” said manager Fredi Gonzalez, whose Braves slipped back to five games behind NL East leader Washington, which was off Monday. “We just came out of a real good series against the Giants and had a little momentum. They just pitched a little better and we hit the ball at them.”
Paul Maholm (11-8) lost for the third time in five starts since being traded to the Braves, allowing eight hits and one walk in 6-2/3 innings, the big damage coming on Yasmani Grandal’s two-run homer in the second. That was enough offense for the Padres, who’ve posted a stingy 1.73 ERA during their eight-game winning streak.
All 10 runs allowed by Maholm as a Brave have come via six homers.
“For some reason it seems like every time I miss lately it’s been kind of hanging for them to do damage,” said Maholm, who allowed one homer in 45 innings while going 5-0 with a 1.00 ERA in his last seven games (six starts) for the Cubs before a July 30 trade to Atlanta.
He is 2-3 with a 2.50 ERA in five starts for the Braves, who’ve scored just three runs during his 20 innings pitched in three losses.
“That was pretty much the only pitch tonight that stayed up,” he said. “I’ll take the two runs in 6-2/3 pretty much every time out and have confidence in the guys to go out and score. But obviously they pitched a great game.”
The Braves fell to 3-5 on a 10-game trip and need to win the last two games at San Diego to salvage a .500 record on the three-city roadie. They have a 2-15 record in Monday games (and a 17-3 record in Friday games).
Maholm both of his starts on the trip, giving up four runs and two homers in seven innings of a 4-1 defeat at Washington in the second game.
“You know what, that’s the way it happens sometimes,” Gonzalez said of the homers. “He’s not going to walk people. He’s not going to get dinked to death. He’s going to fill up the strike zone. He just left a cutter right over the plate there.”
Maholm is 1-5 in seven career starts against the Padres, the only win coming Aug. 15 when he held them to one run in seven innings.
The Braves managed just four hits against Kelly (1-0) and three relievers, including Jason Heyward’s first-inning double and three singles, two of them groundball hits. Slumping second baseman Dan Uggla had a single and came within a couple of feet of a homer to straightaway center in the eighth inning, when Cameron Maybin made a leaping catch.
“They battle; they know how to pitch,” Uggla said. “We actually hit a lot of balls hard, but they made the plays and made pitches when they needed to. Sometimes it’s just not in the cards, you know?”
Braves center fielder Michael Bourn also raced back and leaped to make a catch, and right fielder Heyward turned an inning-ending double play in the second when he caught Everth Cabrera’s sinking fly ball near the foul line and threw to first base to double off Maybin.
“We just weren’t able to get anything going,” Maholm said. “We hit some balls hard right at them and they made some good defensive plays, and we made some good defensive plays. It was a well-played game, it’s unfortunate we were on the bad end of it.”
Kelly had four strikeouts and two walks. One of the Padres’ top two prospects, the right-hander was brought from Double-A for his debut after going 0-2 with a 3.35 ERA in eight starts at three minor league levels this season. He missed 3-1/2 months with a strained ligament and irritated nerve in his elbow.
A first-round draft pick by the Red Sox in 2008, the former quarterback turned down a football scholarship to Tennessee after the Red Sox gave him a $3 million signing bonus as the 30th overall selection. Kelly wanted to play shortstop and did initially, before becoming a full-time pitcher midway through the 2009 season.
In 2010, the Padres traded Adrian Gonzalez to the Boston Red Sox for four players including their top two prospects, Kelly and Anthony Rizzo
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go-bravos
August 28th, 2012
1:50 am
Same ol Monday play.
Grandma Giffin
August 28th, 2012
2:06 am
Can’t fault the pitching.
Casey
August 28th, 2012
2:22 am
By my count, in the 2 years that Uggla has been here, the Braves are 8-3 when Uggla does not start.
JC Boscan III
August 28th, 2012
2:48 am
This is what the Braves often do against brand new pitchers — bomb out! It’s been that way for several years. No bunt hits, no stolen bases – no pressure on the rookie pitcher — just make outs and go back to the dugout….. With all of the pitching talent at Gwinnett, how can Batista be the wisest call-up that they could think of……….?!
No. 1 Braves Fan
August 28th, 2012
3:36 am
JC Boscan III: Is that all of the negative comments you can think of for this post? If so, please go on to bed and get some rest.
erubi
August 28th, 2012
4:28 am
Uggla in lineup = probable loss.
mark
August 28th, 2012
5:04 am
having Uggla,mccan janish,pitcher in back of order appears to put too much pressure on the rest of the hitters and it affects their hitting. they know what we know. no offense to the young pitcher making his debut but this lineup has 4 of 9 autoatic outs in it
mark
August 28th, 2012
5:07 am
If Uggla starts another game I say lets all boycott the next home game. Maybe we as fans can make it happen!!
John w
August 28th, 2012
5:16 am
Great idea Mark! Let’s do it!!
Regular Season Links – 8/28/2012 - Goodsportsart Blog = Baseball news
August 28th, 2012
6:06 am
[...] Braves held scoreless in loss to debuting Padre pitcher [...]
Wrecker
August 28th, 2012
6:24 am
Plenty of hard hit balls in the game, including McCann’s and Prado’s in particular, but they were at-em balls.
WTF
August 28th, 2012
6:38 am
I’ve been saying to simply not go for a while now. Don’t go, don’t buy overpriced beer and bad food. Don’t watch…and write to tell sponsors about it.
These guys suk and if Fredi is kept and Uggla plays another game in ATL, then no one should have a thing to do with them.
WTF
August 28th, 2012
6:40 am
Oh yeah – tip your freakin hat, Fredi. And then change into civvies,,,forever!
Larry
August 28th, 2012
6:41 am
People often wonder why the Braves, semingly more than other teams, struggle against first time pitchers or other pitchers they seldom see, regardless of their talent or W/L records. Other than LoboDumbDumb, who has a room temperature IQ, I wonder why they wonder?
The anwer is very simple and traced back to the origin of the booger picker, Cox.
Since Cox, and now with this offspring, Gonzalez, with the exception of a few here and there the Braves lavish over the free-swinging, guess hitting, long ball “power” hitters, even at the more traditional defensive skill positions…Alex Gonzalez at SS last season and Dan Uggla at 2B today. This is why Cox’s teams were also streaky and also why we were so fortunate to watch the other teams and their manager celebrate on the pitcher’s mound last in 14 of Cox’s 15 seasons as our manager.
It’s much harder to “guess” when you’ve never or recently seen a pitcher!
RBI
August 28th, 2012
6:48 am
It would seem that not playing well against pitchers they are seeing for the first time would indicate poor scouting.
Also, I would still argue that, regardless of the poor offense, the pitcher lost the game for them by giving up the runs. It is not “good” pitching to give up runs that lose the game!
Carl Farvman
August 28th, 2012
6:56 am
“This is what the Braves often do against brand new pitchers — bomb out!”
It’s not unusual that a freshly-minted MLB pitcher does well out of the gate. I’ve seen it many times. Most of these guys are not slugs and often the top prospect in the farm system.
braveshoo
August 28th, 2012
7:02 am
Every time we play Uggla, Chipper, and McCann in the same lineup, we lose. Uggla is in the worst slump of his career, and Chipper and McCann are hurt and cant swing the bat. Add Yanish and the pitcher, and you have 5 easy outs every time through the lineup. Freddi or FW need to see this and make changes before its too late Start Prado at 2nd, Francisco at 3rd, Ross at catcher, and Reed Johnson in LF, and you have a team that can win, and stick with it!!!!!!!!
Jimmy Crack
August 28th, 2012
7:05 am
GEE…….Haven’t seen this before. A virgin opposing pitcher who should be shaking in his boots in his debut, but instead he blanks the Braves. Like about 30 first time pitchers against this NON-HITTING team.
Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?
reality
August 28th, 2012
7:08 am
if you can say Uggla has been in a “slump”, then you can now say he is in a “hot streak” – he got a hit last night!
Lefty
August 28th, 2012
7:12 am
So now if Uggla gets a single and hits another ball hard it’s worthy of a mention in game re-caps ?
Steven
August 28th, 2012
7:14 am
The Braves bats are just like me.
I dont work on Mondays either.
alex
August 28th, 2012
7:36 am
Uggla is still in lineup because FW will not admit his costly error of signing him and won’t allow FG (who is happy to have a job) to sit the bum….. Really absurd at this point! The only “tool” that Uggla has is the “tool” that he is for ripping off this town……..
PaulG
August 28th, 2012
7:50 am
Poor Larry …another assertion without data….show us the evidence that the braves record vs first time pitchers is demonstrably worse than other major league teams?
PaulG
August 28th, 2012
7:52 am
Farvman makes a useful point…as well, upon the initial encounter between a pitcher & hitter, the advantage is usually with the former
tru 404
August 28th, 2012
7:53 am
Same sad story, Same sad Team. Year in and Year out….Can u guys really see this team beating Washinton, Cin., STL or LA in the Playoffs ? Lol It’s only a matter of time before the Braves TAP-OUT !!!!! Let’s Go FALCONS !!!!
DaltonBrave
August 28th, 2012
7:57 am
Uggla was actually somewhat productive last night. If Uggla actually makes contact, we should consider that to be a blessing. Manufacturing runs with runners in scoring position continues to hurt the Braves.
Call It Like It Is
August 28th, 2012
8:03 am
“tru 404″ Same sad story, Same sad Team. Year in and Year out…. Agree but it also goes for the Falcons. All of the Atlanta PRO teams are sad. Never in the hunt and always, always choke at the end. Thank God for SEC football.
64 year Braves fan
August 28th, 2012
8:03 am
Release Uggla! Bench McCann! Fredi is not smart enough to do this.
Buddy Landel
August 28th, 2012
8:09 am
Wrong day to b!tch about Uggla. He is one of the few players on this team that got a hit last night. Uggla is an easy target lately, but harping on his play last night is misguided.
Syd
August 28th, 2012
8:18 am
Same ol same ol with braves and new pitchers!! Also just read that they will call up Jack Wilson in September. Don’t we already have a non hitting defensive specialist at short stop?!! Come on Freddie why not call up a hot hitter instead?
Chet Whitlock
August 28th, 2012
8:24 am
DO’B,
I know you don’t write the headlines, but the link on the homepage says “Braves beat by Padres pitcher.” It should be “beaten.” Come on, AJC.
jl
August 28th, 2012
8:28 am
Well dumb ass Fredi went back to the “traditional” lineup, as Joe Simpson called it and proceeded to get our ass’s whipped by a ROOKIE pitcher (1st time ever in Majors) and McCann and Uggla did their thing, which lately is NOTHING!
MOST FRUSTRATING TEAM I HAVE EVER SEEN. i GIVE UP! Oh Yeah, new name for Paul Maholm, Homer Maholm, and why is this guy in the rotation, hell Ben Sheets has won more games for us than this guy.
He looks to me like he is just treading water out there, no sense of “we really need this game” just biding his time, til he goes somewhere else. What a home run pitching jerk!!
KD
August 28th, 2012
8:28 am
It seems like through the years the best I can remember, every time the Braves face a pitcher just called up from the minors, that they have never seen before…they LOSE !!!
jl
August 28th, 2012
8:30 am
And McCann wonders why he was sat for two games? Should have been 22
Lt Col Razorback
August 28th, 2012
8:30 am
“Sometimes it’s just not in the cards”?
Danny Boy, you’re not playing poker, you’re playing baseball; or at least that’s what you’re supposed to be playing.
Negative Creep
August 28th, 2012
8:35 am
When do we get to stop calling this a slump? He is NOT the player we signed. He can NOT handle a bigger market. He canNOT remain in the Braves starting line-up. He needs to stay on the bench.
REMEMBER his 3 errors in the all-star game a few years ago? We should trade him to KC for Billy B. so he can have his small market back.
Someone said it above, Brian, Dan and pitcher should not be hitter next to each other in the line-up. hit either Brian or Dan 5th so we dont have 3 automatic outs in-a-row.
Gonzo, it’s time to not be so patient!!!!
ugafan13
August 28th, 2012
8:38 am
1. Uggla’s one hit was a weak seeing eye hit that he rolled over.
2. Why did we put Batista in the game. He was a cast off from the Mutts and was not very good.
3. I heard Fredi say he was going to be selective with Uggla. Well now id the time. Bench him and put Prado @ 2nd and Johnson in LF. Then selectively use Uggla when you need a pinch runner!
Tim
August 28th, 2012
8:38 am
Do the Braves not have advanced scouts? I was driving home during the pre game and heard them say this guy was starting for the first time in the majors, after having been moved up from AA and not winning a game all year, and at that point I knew the Braves would lose. This has happened far too many times in the past few years. If I were the other National league teams, I would run out a new pitcher, or a lefty, every time I played the Braves. They couldn’t lose. Tiring to watch.
Buddy Landel
August 28th, 2012
8:38 am
jl
August 28th, 2012
8:28 am
……MOST FRUSTRATING TEAM I HAVE EVER SEEN. i GIVE UP! Oh Yeah, new name for Paul Maholm, Homer Maholm, and why is this guy in the rotation, hell Ben Sheets has won more games for us than this guy.
He looks to me like he is just treading water out there, no sense of “we really need this game” just biding his time, til he goes somewhere else. What a home run pitching jerk!!
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Congratulations on constructing the worst post thus far today. What makes you think that Maholm is not trying his best? Maholm doesn’t belong in our rotation??? Home run pitching jerk?
Nurse Ratched [aka Randal Patrick McMurphy]
August 28th, 2012
8:39 am
More consistent play from those Braves – getting beat by teams they should put away. Shutout no less by some kid who’s just post-puberty. How many times have you seen this over the last 2 seasons… ALL too much…
The Wild Card race has already tightened up, with St Louis beginning to make a move. *sniff* *sniff* Smells all-to-familiarly like a collapse redux – shades of 2011. Just further illustrates the point : “You can always paint an Old Barn to look new.” ‘Nuff said… |-)
ijudgenot
August 28th, 2012
8:41 am
I often wondered why the media called Cox and now Fredi “a players manager” That is suppose to mean that players just love playing for them. The problem with that theory is that no free agent has signed with the Braves when given a choice between two teams bidding for his service where the offers were about the same. The Braves usually have to make an offer that only a fool would pass up, i.e., Lowe, KK, Sheffield, etc. When they make trades they then have to overpay to keep them in Atlanta i.e., Uggla. I think the overwhelming proof is just the opposite. Furcal who started with Atlanta did not want to come back. Becket considered everywhere else but Atlanta and most recently the “Dumpster” from Chicago. I think it has nothing to do with the city or the fans. I think it is all about the management and manager of the team, first Cox and JS and now Fredi and Wren. The management and manager of the Braves place all the pressure and responsibility of winning on the players with the manager having a really minor role in the success of the team. The theory is we are paying you these millions so we are just going to keep running you out there damit until you perform like we thought you would with no real decisions by the manager day to day that might help team to win. I predict that Chipper will be the last Atlanta player to restructure or take less in a contract to play in Atlanta under the present management. Bourn wil not re-sign with Atlanta unless he gets Alex Rodrigues money and when their contracts come up for renewal I fear that Heyward and Freeman may bolt also unless Wren offers them a contract that it would take a fool to refuse. If Atlanta really wants to win another championship, I say do something different this time. Make an offer to a free agent “big time” manager that they can not refuse. Give him a big contract. Then say to him we are paying you these millions damit now go out there and make the moves for us to win with the talent we have given you.
Buddy Landel
August 28th, 2012
8:41 am
2.45 ERA and a WHIP >1. Yeah, Maholm is terrible.
Winchester
August 28th, 2012
8:47 am
Totally unacceptable. A newby on the mound and we are shut out, the offense looks like little leaguers, and our idiot manager says “they just pitched a little better and we hit right at them”.
No…we didn’t come prepared with fire in our bellies, we let a young kid pitcher dictate the game, and we did not have our best line up in the game.
jmart1951
August 28th, 2012
8:48 am
Maholm has a 2.5 era since coming to the Braves. Nobody should complain about his effort since being here. So what if the runs he gave up are all based on home runs.
His era is still 2.5. He should be 4-1 with any run support.
His critics must believe that he should never give up a single run.
Maholm is a very good pitcher and especially with Hanson’s troubles and Sheets going on the DL the Maholm trade looms large.
I look forward to Maholm pitching the rest of the year along with Hudson, Minor and Medlin. Those four provide the Braves with a formidable starting staff. I’d give Hanson one more start and if it is another bad one I would put him back on the DL with back and shoulder pain and bring Delgado back up for the 5th spot.
If the Braves don’t make the playoffs it will not be the starting pitchers fault.
FG's gotta go
August 28th, 2012
8:56 am
Why didn’t someone wake fg up when Prado got called out at first? Replays show he was safe. But good ol fg just naps. how many times have we seen his fat round face out there backing up the players? At least Bobby did that. fg should have been let go at the end of last season, but here we are again.
BravesfaninWis
August 28th, 2012
8:56 am
Maholm is just another example of how a guy can be playing very good ball on one team, get traded to the Braves, then play like crap. I think giving up homeruns and losing games is the top requirement for the Braves when they are looking for pitchers.
On top of it all, they get shutout by a team 14 games below .500, and a pitcher making his debut. And what do you know, they had a golden opportunity to gain on the Nats, and they just couldn’t get the job done. Anyone who got excited with their last couple of games, you knew this was coming, they have only done it the past 6 years.
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
8:58 am
Submitted an uncharacteristically hopeful/optimistic post yesterday–on the heels of two straight nationally televised wins over a contender.
Didn’t take very long at all to fall back to earth.
Cowbell Hell
August 28th, 2012
9:01 am
JL U IDIOT!
Couldnt agree more Buddy, Maholm has been our best pitcher since he got here era wise or close to it. He gave up two earned runs last night, what kind of fool calls that kind of performance out?! Stay off the blog if you are truly that ignorant…go look at Hanson’s stats and make those statements if you want to sound even a little coherent.
Davey Sprocket
August 28th, 2012
9:02 am
Uggla was getting picked on because he was specifically being praised in the article. Sure, a million times it has been “wow, Uggs has really broken out, wait til he gets hot like last year.” Bottom line is, he cannot be counted on and should not be in any lineup at this time.
Braves have a TON of issues to address this offseason – how in the world they can get rid of Uggla (there is NO possibility of anyone trading for him, don’t even go there); trying to sign Bourn, arguably their most important offensive piece, whose agent is notorious for demanding very top dollar; a decision on a breaking-down, expensive catcher; replacing a Braves legend at 3B; re-tooling the entire bench, which has failed to provide consistent play for the past two years. Can no-hit, good-field subs still playa role? Not on very good teams. Can washed up oldsters such as Hinske, Wilson, Gonzalez and Diaz have a place on a deep (talented) squad? Nope. Young guys who are pressing for playing time at the ML level, who have survived competition in the minors and have flourished – THOSE are the types needed. Flexibility in position – OF/1B, or SS/2B/3B – only Prado provides such versatility, but do you REALLY want him at 2B full-time?
The so-called prodigies in the pitching pipeline have not developed as hoped for – overhype, perhaps? They have some young guys on the staff who could still become excellent, but the level of certainty has dropped a few pegs.
If the ownership does not spend quite a bit more, they will be looking up at the Nationals for the forseeable future. We shall see.
alanfalcon
August 28th, 2012
9:05 am
When you don’t have enough offense to cover a 1,2, or 3 run deficit , YOU HAVE NO OFFENSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
BravesfanAtl
August 28th, 2012
9:11 am
Don’t blame just Uggla. Hes not the only bat in the lineup. They got shut out by a rookie and they always get shut out by the rookies. If your a bottom level team and you come calling on the Braves, just start a rookie. They will drop like flies.
Bulldawg
August 28th, 2012
9:14 am
This pitiful play on Mondays is borderline ridiculous. How can a team be 17-3 on Fridays and 2-15 on Mondays? I’ll tell you how – they don’t come in ready to play on Mondays and that sits firmly in the lap of the manager.
On the road, Monday is usually an arrival day after a late flight on Sunday night. At home, you have a new team coming in for a new series. These guys are losing focus for Monday games and it’s killing them. I know they are tired, but you still have to play on Mondays. If they even played .500 ball on Mondays they would be in first place.
It goes back to the collapse of last September. This team does not have the leadership, either in the manager or the players, to win. They don’t come expecting to win on Mondays. That attitude simply won’t get it done. Someone needs to take the bull by the horns and fire this team up. You can’t take Monday off!
Father A. Long
August 28th, 2012
9:17 am
Fraud is AFRAID of Ughla.
coach13
August 28th, 2012
9:18 am
.300 hitters fail 7 out of 10 times, those odds are vastly in the pitchers favor. Put three .200 hitters and the pitcher and the odds are are even more in the pitchers favor. That’s 44% of your lineup!
The Braves are going to have to try and be more creative in scoring runs. Having Bourn steal and the next 6 guys try and straight up hit him in is not going to work. A hitter cannot asked be asked to get a hit but he can be asked to put the ball in play..
Gene
August 28th, 2012
9:18 am
Here come the Cardinals. Again!
THOMAS
August 28th, 2012
9:23 am
WE SHOULD TRY TO STEAL SECOND BASE EVERY TIME HEYWARD OR BOURN GET ON FIRST. BUT NO–WE JUST LET THEM SIT THERE AND HOPE FOR A DOUBLE OR TRIPLE TO SCORE THEM. WE ARE WAY TOO CONSERVATIVE. WHEN LET THEM STEAL THEY MAKE IT 85% OF THE TIME.
FG's gotta go
August 28th, 2012
9:27 am
The Braves and fg are a joke. But I am not laughing. Everyone knows that Liberty is in this for the money, Wren; maybe he can’t find another job, fg KNOWS he can’t find another job. Too late to stop this losing train now. Its gonna crash and burn.
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
9:29 am
Chet Whitlock
August 28th, 2012
8:24 am
DO’B,
I know you don’t write the headlines, but the link on the homepage says “Braves beat by Padres pitcher.” It should be “beaten.” Come on, AJC.
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Nice to see that someone on here cares about “writing it right.”
bobby
August 28th, 2012
9:30 am
You could get rich betting on the Braves to lose to a rookie pitcher. That is if you could get anybody to take your bet. Anytime a pitcher only gives up three runs, he should expect to win regardless of what some of the Eienstein’s (In their own mind???) think.
Larvell Blanks
August 28th, 2012
9:35 am
Oh Yeah, new name for Paul Maholm, Homer Maholm, and why is this guy in the rotation, hell Ben Sheets has won more games for us than this guy.
Yes, we should get rid of all of our 2.50 ERA pitchers, ’cause they’re killing us. If you can’t shut ‘em out and hit one out, you’re not good enough for our staff.
Rick in Macon
August 28th, 2012
9:39 am
Assuming the Braves make the playoff game, and we all know what happens when you assume, if I’m the manager of the opposing team, I bring up a kid from AA or A and let him pitch. It could end up being a no-hitter against this lineup.
Impressed Not
August 28th, 2012
9:44 am
@jl and BravesFaninWisc– Do you have any idea how stupid you and your baseball knowledge looks when you make comments like you have… Go cheer for someone else…
me
August 28th, 2012
9:50 am
A 2.5 era as a starter and has a 2-3 record. What a inconsistent offense these Braves have. Because of this, they have little chance of advancing past a wild card.
me
August 28th, 2012
9:52 am
@BravesfaninWis “Maholm is just another example of how a guy can be playing very good ball on one team, get traded to the Braves, then play like crap.”
So a 2.5 era over 5 games for a starter is crap? Maybe to an idiot.
NC Roseman
August 28th, 2012
9:53 am
To Bulldawg…like the passion, agree whole heartedly…no excuse for that pathetic showing last night…you could see it coming after the bad call on Playdough, but we got 5 sure outs in the lineup now, only leaves you 3 innings to generate a run, good thing we got college football kicking off Friday, with my alma, the Wolfpack first up, hope they don’t choke like the Bravos
PMC
August 28th, 2012
9:55 am
After a big win any pitcher is Cy Young for the Braves bats. They did hit a few balls hard but right at defenders.
Maholm is pitching fine, as always this is a here today gone tomorrow kind of offense. The kind of team that can score 9 runs against Halladay and then get virtually no hit by Blanton.
kreedham
August 28th, 2012
10:00 am
If the new kid is ready next year we should trade McCann to the AL where he can DH too! He’ll be upset but we’ll be doing him a favor by extending his career!
kreedham
August 28th, 2012
10:00 am
If the new kid is ready next year we should trade McCann to the AL where he can DH too! He’ll be upset but we’ll be doing him a favor by extending his career!
Brave New World
August 28th, 2012
10:03 am
Carpenter Classic to Braves: “Rain delays and Mondays always get me down.”
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
10:03 am
NC Roseman
August 28th, 2012
9:53 am
“…good thing we got college football kicking off Friday, with my alma, the Wolfpack first up, hope they don’t choke like the Bravos
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It actually kicks off Thursday–with SC-Vandy and a number of others–so your Wolfpack won’t be first up. In any event, your game with Tenn should provide plenty of new fodder for the ongoing ACC-SEC football debate.
FBGuy
August 28th, 2012
10:03 am
I have observed that when Uggla starts, FG sits to the right of the bench coach, Chipper chews on his left side and the Braves’ announcers cough during the first inning, the Braves have lost EVERY SINGLE TIME..
anti4baldheadedyankeesstinkintheairwaves
August 28th, 2012
10:04 am
The Struggla/McCan’t cant’ hit beat goes on!
extremus
August 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Actually, the Braves’ woes against debuting pitchers seems to go back (at least in my memory) quite some time. Whether it’s because they lack proper scouting (which I doubt), whether the hitters are having trouble learning and making adjustments to someone they haven’t faced before (definitely more plausible with this inconsistent bunch), or whether they’re simply snakebitten (Mondays) is hard to say.
PaulG
August 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Goodness the aunt blabbys are out in full force today…..bench/ fire virtually everybody…the world is at an end….relax,wait until muttonhead wins & puts in a voucher system for our healthcare & see things get worse….then losing a ball game will seem trivial
bvillebaron
August 28th, 2012
10:38 am
Anyone who has followed the Bravos for any length of time knows that the best way to beat them is to start a pitcher they have never seen before, preferably a rookie. I understand that the pitcher has the advantage over a hitter who has never seen him before, but the Braves’ ineptitude in these situations has become riduiculous. Oh well, today’s another game.
NORRIS CHUCK
August 28th, 2012
10:40 am
Daisuke Matsuzaka On Waivers
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [August 28 at 9:23am CST]
The Red Sox recently placed right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka on revocable waivers, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports (Twitter links). One general manager told Olney that Matsuzaka and Mark Buehrle might be available for little return.
Matsuzaka earns $10MM in 2012, the final season of his six-year, $52MM contract with the Red Sox. Just less than $2MM remains on his contract between now and the end of the season. In six starts for Boston this year he has posted a 5.10 ERA with 7.8 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9. He started against the Royals last night, allowing one unearned run, five hits and two walks in seven innings while striking out six.
The Red Sox have been particularly aggressive in placing players on waivers this summer (at least in terms of what has been reported relative to other teams). If Matsuzaka goes unclaimed, the Red Sox will be able to complete a trade just as easily as they could have before the current waiver period began at the beginning of August.
If a team claims Matsuzaka, the Red Sox will have three choices. They can let him (and his contract) go to the claiming team, they can complete a trade with the claiming team, or they can pull him back off of waivers. American League teams will have claiming priority on Matsuzaka.
NORRIS CHUCK
August 28th, 2012
10:42 am
NOT THAT THEY NEED ANOTHER PITCHER!
NC Roseman
August 28th, 2012
10:44 am
DawgNole…ooops
Did not realize the Cocks were leading off, figured no way they interfere with the sacred NFL preseason on Thursday night, my bad, just glad the Pack ain’t playing them…they own us like the Nats own the Braves
PaulG
August 28th, 2012
10:45 am
Bvillebaron…..where is the data…can you give us some w- l records compared to other teams?
hunter55
August 28th, 2012
10:47 am
Uggla has a great golf swing, to bad he’s trying to hit a baseball!!!!!!!!!
Turtle Man
August 28th, 2012
10:48 am
No surprise here! Every time the Braves go up against a pitcher for the first time, they always seem to get shutout. I mean these are major league hitters and they get fooled on every pitch! Is it the scouting department slacking and not knowing what are his “out” pitches? Hitting approach? Not sure what it is but it’s the same ole Braves…
BRAVELESS
August 28th, 2012
10:56 am
As long as Uggla is in the lineup we can kiss the playoffs good bye. The Braves owners and FW will not do anything drastic to correct the problems that exist with the Braves as long as fans continue to go to the games. The problem with the current Braves is the same issues that we have had for the last 15 years.
Nunna Yobinnes
August 28th, 2012
11:19 am
People commenting on how poorly Maholm is playing are idiots. It’s not his fault that our hitters couldn’t hit a barn door with a bass fiddle. 2.50 ERA and he gets criticized? Only Medlen is doing better right now.
IT WAS MONDAY
August 28th, 2012
11:29 am
Not fussing here we dont win on Mondays…………simple! Like I said all year long just hope we dont play the one game playoff or a game 7 on Monday……….SIMPLE!
IT WAS MONDAY
August 28th, 2012
11:29 am
Fix the filter DOB
Carl Farvman
August 28th, 2012
11:29 am
I’m surprised that many of you are making a big deal out of losing to a young guy making his MLB debut. I assume that this board represents many who have been following baseball for decades. From my experience following the sport I have always been skeptical when my team is facing a guy out of the gate for the first time. I have no idea what the stats would tell us [and I'm not wasting my time in an attempt to support my view], but if the guy has talent and the hitters have no experience facing the guy, well, why would anyone assume the hitters should have a ‘field day’? C’mon, show some sophistication about the game. Unless, of course, you’re the guy in the stands who “boos” [for unknown reasons] the ‘away’ team for attempting a pickoff move to first more than one time a game…..then, there’s no hope for you.
Larry
August 28th, 2012
11:31 am
PaulG,
You are so devoid of ideas because you’re dead from the neck up, imbecilic and a woodenhead. You’re only recourse to flood others that suggest ideas and solutions with your puerile vomit.
Does anyone, anyone at all, recall a single suggestion here from this churlish, cloddish, ill-bred harlequin or his roommate, LoboSoDumb? They’re not just simply stupid; they’re possessed by a retarded ghost!
Larry
August 28th, 2012
11:31 am
Your
Carroll
August 28th, 2012
11:34 am
looks like the same rule still holds true with the Braves after all these years….if I was an opposing manager and saw the Braves coming, I’d call up three of the most obscure pitchers from AA or AAA and win that series every time. A total lack of ability to prepare, adjust, and learn from the past. Playoffs?!!
Larry
August 28th, 2012
11:39 am
Carl,
I think it is YOU that is lacking in sophistication about the game…
Run out a nobody or unknown up against most any god contact, situational and circumstancial hitting team and he daparts in the 4th down several runs.
As I have said here before, were I facing a Bobby Cox/Fredi Gonzalez brand of offense in the playoffs, I’d bring up my 3 or 4 best farm pitchers never faced and I’d probably sweep them.
There’s only 4 contact, situational hitters on starting offense that can put the ball in play at will: Bourne and Prado are 2; Chipper (when he feels like playing) is the 3rd: and the injured Simmons. That means on most nights you have only 2 or 3 and the pitchers just try to limit their damage.
BravesBanter31
August 28th, 2012
11:39 am
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Gary
August 28th, 2012
11:41 am
The pitching is great……maybe the best bullpen in the majors……when did KIMBREL ge his last save…hitting is poor……maybe a waiver deal for a right hand hitter……………cant get to use best pitcher KIMBREL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Brave Hokie
August 28th, 2012
12:09 pm
“We CAN’T hit the pitcher Bluto, we’v NEVER SEEN him before…”
What a bunch of whiny weak mined non-Monday showing up loser, bitches.
Carl Farvman
August 28th, 2012
12:13 pm
Larry, c’mon. If you haven’t seen a fair share of debuting pitchers getting the best of a MLB lineup, then I suppose I’m responding to a 14 year-old. I’ve seen it many times and it never surprises me. This attitude by some must be rooted in the inferiority complex of long-term Braves fans. You would never get this kind of dialogue from established baseball markets, those that have a solid history of post-season play and an occasional WS appearance/win. Replace the Braves logo with a Cards logo for last night’s game and I can say with certainty that there would be ZERO postings in STLtoday about getting beaten by a rookie pitcher making his first big league start. And to think we have Larry here to set the standard for baseball theory/knowledge.
The Truth....
August 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
When is this organization gonna step up and make the moves to be one of the best in baseball….and stop just being entertainment for the city. If Liberty wants to fill the stadium every game..? Then put a team on the field that would make the fans want to see..This team is just boring and average.
older1
August 28th, 2012
12:15 pm
I told my wife before the game, the Braves are facing a pitcher called up from the minor league and will lose. I’m with Larry i HAVE SEEN THIS SHOW MANY TIMES BEFORE. I still believe the Braves have a good team , if they gel at the right time can win it all. Pitching much improved. is Dell Crandell and Joe Adcock and Henry Arron available?
carpepm
August 28th, 2012
12:17 pm
Is it just me, or do the Braves seem to get beat by every rookie, first time pitcher they face? Has anyone ever researched this statistic?
Lobosolo
August 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
Time to dust off the tee and relive your past glories, LimpOne… What’s with the colorful writng? Thinking you’re some kind of wordsmith now? I have a suggestion…. get over yourself…. you have not ever and will never be the baseball player, expert, or manager that you think you are…
Folks on here who don’t know by now: Larry the Self-Proclaimed Legend grew up as the last kid to be picked on every team, and the enduring bitterness he has up his bum has tortured the crybot and everyone around him for his entire life… He likes to regale his fellow armchairs with dashing tales of baseball glory that he thinks he accomplished by playing t-ball for nine years (his coaches finally gave up on him when he couldn’t figure out that there is no pitching [but there is crying] in t-ball)… Taking the crying part with him on his journey through life, Linkydink has continued in his embittered role as the resident baseball expert on all of the blogs, claiming he was a great pitcher and is thus more qualified than anyone else to tell the Braves organization what they should be doing… Despite repeated attempts by the more sensible, genuine baseball fans to ask him why he is not the GM/Manager? MVP on any type of team, much less a major league one, the childishly verbose Lumpman can offer no answer but to call his inquisitors schoolyard names that he himself was the brunt of for being such a hapless “athlete” in his miserable, reality devoid childhood… He has honed himself into one of the more pathetic figures of his lifetime…
When called out on his myriad deficiences, Ligament-brained Loopy will morph himself into several different personae, posting under various aliases to promote himself as a baseball expert and defend his inane posts to the knowledgable, genuine baseball fans… The sad part is that he is as grossly inept in the imagination as he is pitiful as an athlete…. His alter-ego posts are as ridiculously inane as his Lumpy ones…
He does have his champions, for sure…. There are scores of fellow armchair warriors who post their screed with him, all with the same deluded sense of baseball acumen… They, like their hero, cannot answer as to why on earth they aren’t leading their own teams to glory in the World Series, and instead answer legitimate inquiries with schoolyard taunts that they, sadly, must have been peppered with in their own indistinctive childhoods… Limpster and his many acolytes love to cry together, though, and their solidarity is one that is enjoyed by blubberers throughout the landscape… These teammates in misery love to sit down and share a binky with each other daily….
So….. if you happen to be at a game some time and wonder just who is in that section of the cheap seats where all of the wailing and cussing is going on, you can rest assured that it will be the Limpinator and his merry minions (for a good laugh, ask them if they’ll accompany you to the locker room after the game so they can actually face the players and tell them how they feel… You’ll see several of them head for the loo to eject a cold dump with fear in their eyes)…
Time for some self-reflection, LumpOfCoal… your miserable squawkings played themselves out way, way back when….
BrandonLee49
August 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
HATs off to CASEY KELLY, c’mon Gonzo, DOB, C’mon Mark Bradley You All can Acknowledge a Job Well Done!!! Casey comes from Obvious GOOD STOCK… too bad he’s being Wated on the Padres… But HEY Rick Maholm knows all about that – Sure he does…
Sweet Old Buck
August 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
Sorry ass effort against a AA pitcher, who started off his career as a shortstop.
benchwarmer
August 28th, 2012
12:30 pm
big problem is all the auto outs. Mac is fast losing his ticket to stay in Atlanta. Uggla, well I don’t beat dead horses. The guy who makes out the lineup(supposedly) should probably go away too.
Dave
August 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
It just makes me giggle everytime the Braves lose. Time to box up baseball season and concentrate on the only sport that matters…..FOOTBALL. College, Pro….it doesn’t matter. Baseball is like life. You spend all of your time bored and waiting for something to happen. Then when it does, you were reaching for a beer and you have to wait until the next game. A bunch of men wandering around in an open field waiting for someone to hit a ball to them. Meh….give me blitzes, tailback sweeps, post patterns and 4th and inches. It’s like the difference between riding the merry-Go-Round Ibaseball) or riding the Roller Coaster (football). I’m a Roller Coaster guy. You get more out of it.
PaulG
August 28th, 2012
12:33 pm
Ahh Larry …every time I ask for evidence you reply to me or others with hate filled invective……you have to move beyond this peculiar & unbecoming trait & become an empiricist……then you will find the give & take of debating various issues re: the braves to be illuminating & fun…why not become a tumbledown, favraman, stallings, & lobosolo & respect evidence & credentials
reckingball
August 28th, 2012
12:34 pm
The Braves lost last night because half of them were wearing long pants, in a Monday game, anyone that knows anything about the Braves, should know that.
Also, thay almost never hit well against a new pitcher, debuting into the Big Leagues.
I think that the Braves will win tonight.
go braves
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
12:36 pm
Carl – It is useless to try to bring in some reason and balance into a discussion. It seems that anytime someone tries to do so, a barrage of insults follows. Of course, I have seen personal insults go the other way, too. I wish people would realize that whatever reasonable point is being made gets lost amid the personal insults. Sadly, I expect a personal insult to come my way in 5 4 3 2 . . .
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
Fix the filter DOB — It Was Monday
Nah.
Tdawg
August 28th, 2012
12:46 pm
If you have a 4 game series against the Braves and if you desperately need to sweep them in order to bypass them for a wild card. Just call up 4 pitchers from the minors and start them against the Braves. That should do the trick. Another shutout. How many does that make this year? I wonder how far they are from the 15 I projected for them.
phil (the we're back again, baby! fan)
August 28th, 2012
12:55 pm
Fire FG!!
P Rose
August 28th, 2012
1:00 pm
First inning. Second batter. Close play, but Prado is SAFE at first… Wait — what?? He was called OUT? Prado argues, but to no avail.
Gonzalez just… sits.
Hey, Fredi: show the players that you have some testículos and that you have their backs once in a while, and who knows — maybe they’ll play harder for you, and maybe the Braves will get a close call once in a while.
Braves??
August 28th, 2012
1:04 pm
Why is it that everyone thinks it’s the coach’s fault? He doesn’t hit, he doesn’t field and he doesn’t pitch. Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe we don’t have the horses…consitant horses…to get over the hump? Baseball managers are different from basketball and football coaches in that there aren’t the constant substitutions, play calling and time management. The Braves just plain don’t have the horses and if they can’t do their job, they aren’t right for the team. Good pitching beats good hitting…but then again, good hitting usually beats good pitching. We are just a middle of the pack team. The coach/manager has little to do with that.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
1:05 pm
I looked up the stats and came up with the following: the Braves have lost shutouts to the following pitchers: (1) Ramon Ramirez (Mets); (2) Joe Blanton (Phillies); (3) Paul Maholm (Cubs); (4) Strasburg (Nationals); (5) Nova (Yankees); (6) Hammel (Orioles); (7) Chen (Orioles); (8) Zito (Giants); (9) Hamels (Phillies); (10) Billingsley (Dodgers); and (11) Kelly (Padres). Hopefully, I did not miss any.
It seems like this group of pitchers consists of a number of quality ML starters as opposed to pitchers just called up from the minors. I have not analyzed each and every Braves’ game, so there might be some more instances of rookie pitchers having their way with Atlanta. If I had the time, I would do it. The point is that one should not jump to any conclusions without the proper research.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
1:08 pm
Braves?? – Expect personal insults to come your way as well in 5 4 3 2 . . . You not blaming Fredi is fightin’ words.
Carl Farvman
August 28th, 2012
1:12 pm
We still have folks making a deal out of a loss at the hands of a ‘first time out’ pitcher. Folks, these guys are not all slugs. Some will end up as the 1 or 2 guy in a rotation for the next decade and more. Where did some ATL fans gain all this insight and then conclude that debuting pitchers in MLB should have some built-in disadvantage during their debut regardless of talent/ability? Not all rookies ’shake in their boots’ the first time out. Some behave like seasoned veterans right out of the gate. I’ve witnessed many times a rookie who gets a hit-including a HR-the first plate appearance. We need to get some of you therapy sessions so we can get to the root of this odd way of assessing the performance of our ball club.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
1:19 pm
Reckingball actually has a point about the Braves and new or rookie or pitchers they see for the 1st time. It seems that everytime the see any pitcher for the 1st time we always lose. Also young Leftys give us headaches for ome reason. But I dont believe in that dumb Monday curse. But the Braves have lost something like 7 or 8 in a row when Uggla and McCann is in the line up They are killing the team. And yea I know Uggla had a hit last night but it only because the Padres were playing him to pull instead of playing him at DP depth like they should have since a runner was at 1st and it was less than 2 out but Uggla does need all the help he can get.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
1:20 pm
Carl – Please note that I wanted to point out some research as suggesting that the Braves have not necessarily struggled against new pitchers THIS YEAR as some lament. I realize my research is incomplete. And, to the extent that new pitchers have performed well against the Braves this year, I agree with what you say.
FG's gotta go
August 28th, 2012
1:21 pm
Braves??…A manager is supposed to do just that; MANAGE. fg is out managed by almost every manager out there. The poor thing is way over his head, and doesn’t have a clue. I am still pi$$ed that he didn’t do something when Prad was called out at first base. I think it could have been one of two things….nobody wanted to wake him, or he didn’t know or didn’t care. What a waste of another season.
Skokie Dog
August 28th, 2012
1:31 pm
Fredi: “I have to tip my cap to that Kelly kid, who pitched a little better than our guy tonight. And the calendar, I have to tip my cap to the calendar. Remember, it was Monday when we played that game, and we don’t play okay on Mondays.”
oldmike
August 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
Then trouble in all our lifeless losses is the lack of trying to create runs. Bourn is slumping why not bunt now and then? Same for the bottom of the order. Hitting the ball hard at someone is just a loud out. Rather a quiet bunt hit. Then a steal and sac fly. Remember the 1960’s Dodgers? BTW do we ver hit and run? Beats the crap out of me.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
FG’s gotta go
What a waste of another season.
Just wanted to point out that the Braves are still in the lead for a WC slot.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
I happened to look at a Texas Rangers message board a couple of week ago. There was much criticism of the team and the manager. And that is a team in first place with two trips to the WS in the last two years.
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
BRAVELESS
August 28th, 2012
10:56 am
The problem with the current Braves is the same issues that we have had for the last 15 years.
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With only ONE championship since beginning play in ATL in 1966, I’d say the team has had the referenced issues for a lot longer than 15 years.
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
Braves??
August 28th, 2012
1:04 pm
Good pitching beats good hitting…but then again, good hitting usually beats good pitching.
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H-m-m-m-m-m-m-m?
Say WHAT now?
Sundrop Kid
August 28th, 2012
2:24 pm
For those of you who couldn’t wait until the Braves got over that tough 10 game stretch, so they could play some sub .500 teams, well, here they are. How did that first game go for you? BTW, how do you disassemble a lineup that just won the last two games against SF, go back to your previous standard lineup that had just gone 2-6 and had been the lineup that has been saddled with most of the losses this year?
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
2:27 pm
David O’Brien
August 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
Fix the filter DOB — It Was Monday
Nah.
_____________________
“Nah”?
Nah what?
Nah you won’t fix the filter? Nah it wasn’t Monday? Nah there’s nothing wrong with the filter?
Hello?
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
Fix the filter DOB — It Was Monday
Nah.
_____________________
“Nah”?
Nah what?
Nah you won’t fix the filter? Nah it wasn’t Monday? Nah there’s nothing wrong with the filter?
Hello? — DawgNole
Nah, as in, I’m not snapping to attention at directives like that. Ridiculous, the disposition that some folks here have, the demands and orders they make without a simple “can you?” or “would you?” I mean, if you can’t ask or be a bit more considerate, don’t bother. Issue the demands to someone else. It’s not hard to ask. Not hard to be courteous.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
ok well the Braves need to start winning and need to start looking at ways to improve the offense. Note: Eric Hinske isnt the way to go, neither is Uggla, McCann is hurt put him on the DL and play Reed Johnson.
RT (Riverdale)
August 28th, 2012
2:55 pm
Do Bourn and Haywood have the green light to steal? We don’t run enough. Uggla stinks and so does Fredi.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
DOB- On another blog, I made a plea for people to be courteous and not hurl personal insults, In return, I got called a sack of you know what! It seems impossible for some to be courteous.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
3:10 pm
Wat thats BS. I havent said anything about Fredi yet but there are people here left and right bashing Fredi. So where is lamosolo to defend Fredi against the haters. If I even mention Fredi making a questiionable move this dork is out here callin me an Armchair and freaking out but there has been at least 20 people bashing Fredi and yet no lamosolo coming out spewing that diarrhea that he usually gives. I told you yesterday that you hide when the Braves do bad nd you prove my point guess I’ll wait until the Braves win a game for you to come out with your same Armchair or J-Whine BS.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
3:13 pm
I try not to hurl name calling at the individual, I usually insult their ideas. But its ok to smack talk just dont go to threating people or use racial or homophobic slurs. But if your gonna smack talk at least be funny. And calling comeone an idiot or a sack isnt funny its just lazy.
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
3:28 pm
David O’Brien
August 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
Fix the filter DOB — It Was Monday
Nah.
_____________________
“Nah”?
Nah what?
Nah you won’t fix the filter? Nah it wasn’t Monday? Nah there’s nothing wrong with the filter?
Hello?
— DawgNole
David O’Brien
August 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
Nah, as in, I’m not snapping to attention at directives like that. Ridiculous, the disposition that some folks here have, the demands and orders they make without a simple “can you?” or “would you?” I mean, if you can’t ask or be a bit more considerate, don’t bother. Issue the demands to someone else. It’s not hard to ask. Not hard to be courteous.
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There’s obviously a history here that I wasn’t aware of. (I don’t post much on the Braves blog.)
I was just wondering about the filter. Is it the same one for all AJC comments–or does each columnist have and maintain his/her own? I haven’t had problems today, but it’s been a major pain in the tail on many occasions in the past.
I wish the AJC used a filter(s) that indicated the reason(s) for rejecting a post. Many are kicked out for no apparent reason (i.e., vulgarity, racism, etc.).
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
3:35 pm
I follow what you are saying J-Man. While I tend to side with the Fredi defenders like lobosolo, I do not like how he goes about insulting people who have genuine concerns and criticisms about Fredi’s managing. Fredi’s decision-making and overall managerial skills should be ripe for a good debate. We all will not agree. I try to point out issues that people may tend to jump to criticism too quicky and that managing a team is probably more difficult than we realize. That is my opinion, and I offer it not as the gospel truth.
Like the Braves, the Red Sox imploded last year. They changed managers, and look where they are now. The Braves reacted differently, and they are in the playoff hunt today. I have to believe that Fredi has done some good work to help steady the ship, especially after the dismal spring training and 0-4 start. You can disagree with my opinion, and the debate can be engaged. But, I am not an idiot or a sack of ??? for thinking the way I do, and those that criticize Fredi are also not idiots.
Have I stated anything unreasonable?
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
3:35 pm
If your gonna be vulgar just use @ instead of A, $ instead of S, and use * to cover up the vowels of any other dirty words such a Sh*t, F*uck, and C*nt. Thats seems to be the rule of thumb of how people still remain vulgar without being vulgar. But you can say hell and damn and it will be ok.
Thank you and God bless America
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August 28th, 2012
3:37 pm
[...] Braves held scoreless in loss to debuting Padre pitcher [...]
Gman 84
August 28th, 2012
3:38 pm
With McCann, Uggla, Janish and the pitcher batting consecutively, half the lineup is absolute dead weight. The Braves really only have 3 innings a game they can realistically score in. If any of the other hitters are on a bad stretch, the whole thing collapses.
Was at the game last night-stared for 2.5 hours at absolutely nothing. Just a listless performance against a nervous kid pitcher. With a golden opportunity to gain 1/2 a game, they fell back to 5 out. Really pathetic
Sam from SW
August 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
Braves hardly ever beat guys they’ve never faced. Been doing that for years, and once again our HOF’mer doesn’t come through in a late game at bat.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
Well thats my whole point Tumble, is that everything should be open to debate. But people narrow-minded as lobosolo want to throw insults and say people dont know nothing about baseball. Well instead of throwing insults and names why dont you debate your point and explain your point of view. I have challenged him to a deate numerous times yet all he does is call me armchair , J-Whine or say I dribble, vene though he means drivel. But hey I guess he is mentally handicapped to actually go through a true debate.
Carl Farvman
August 28th, 2012
3:48 pm
I love this…….we’ve decided that he was a nervous kid pitcher. He probably had some anxiety–like all of us would–but I’ve seen many who loved it and couldn’t wait for the chance. This ‘kid’ was probably one of those and he did pretty good. Can we agree that, perhaps, the reason the Braves lost could have been just a little bit a result of a good pitching performance? I love these beer drinkin’ bubbas who sit back and decide when a team –for no particular reason–gave up a chance to gain a half game. We have nitwits from the west coast to the east coast. I’m glad we don’t have a nitwit monopoly here in ATL.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
3:50 pm
I think it is important to debate Fredi and other issues involving the Braves players. There was alot of grief over his decision to play Hinske in left field the other night. I thought it was important to give him some game action as we may need some production down the road from him, and he needs to stay involved. I did understand that maybe he should get his time at first base rather than left field. But, perhaps Fredi did not want to lose Freeman’s bat and thought that the team overall would be better with him in left field. The decision turned out to bite Fredi in the butt. However, I can see the reasoning in playing Hinske in left field despite the bad outcome. Players do need their rest for the stretch drive.
This and other issues involving Fredi can be debated quite well without resort to name calling.
alex
August 28th, 2012
3:57 pm
@ Lobo, you are babbling again.. get your editor (mom) to review your writing before submission,some good ideas, too much filler…….babble, babble, babble………Lobo’s motto: I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy”, actually WC Fields . Meaning?: who cares, babble, babble…..
Sam from SW
August 28th, 2012
4:00 pm
Chipper Jones career avg with RISP/2outs is .266. Is that good?
tmc
August 28th, 2012
4:00 pm
Until it becomes unacceptable (from the top) to be dominated by a young pitcher making his debut or an early start… nothing’s going to change.
It seems every player has it in his head before the game even starts. That “here we go again” mentality. THAT has to change and THAT is where the manager and coaches have to make that happen.
I’ve never seen a big league team so fragile.
Late night travel, next game a dud…
Day off, next game a dud…
Monday games, dud…
Pitcher making debut (early start), dud…
It never ends. Grow some cojones!!!
tmc
August 28th, 2012
4:12 pm
DOB- i beg to differ from your 2:46 post.
I respectfully asked you a question one time with a preface saying it was not meant to be attacking you at all (don’t remember the question)…
But you literally jumped my business with name calling me and preceded to berate me without cause without addressing the legitimate question.
I get it. People have bad days, but this was such a horrible attack i’ve never responded to you or asked anything since. And i vowed that if i ever met you in person, i was going to give you a peace of my mind…
I say this to you to be careful because people read and remember what you say to them. And it may be different than what you think or remember.
BravesFanSince80s
August 28th, 2012
4:14 pm
I think the thing that amazes me the most about FG is that he waits until the last possible millisecond to react to what everyone else in the stadium has noticed x-amount of time before-hand, and then what he does in his reaction is always a “waaaaay too little, waaaaaay too late” scenario. Like shuffling the lineup around in the game agains the Giants in FINAL reaction to holes in the lineup, covering that up by saying it was more about getting Hinske some at-bats rather than just calling a spade a spade in that the lineup he’d been trotting out night after night simply wasn’t getting it done. But what does he do? He sticks H
Felix
August 28th, 2012
4:14 pm
Braves hitters seem to always struggle against pitchers they haven’t seen before and any leftie–and I mean any leftie; major/minor league, college or high school.
Felix
August 28th, 2012
4:17 pm
I agree with Dave. We all need to be more courteous of others on the blog, or really anywhere.
BravesFanSince80s
August 28th, 2012
4:18 pm
inske in LF, puts Prado at SS (possible Prado’s weakest position) and leaves Ugly Dan in at 2B. In other words, Rather than take the practical route and put in a great defensive lineup (like say, Janish at SS, Prado at 2B, Ross at C) he puts a ridiculous lineup out there in answer to all the criticism of his coaching skills as if to say, “See guys, nothing I try works!” It’s total BS, the guy is a tool, and a useless one at that…
BravesFanSince80s
August 28th, 2012
4:21 pm
Sorry, don’t know why my computer did that…
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
4:29 pm
tmc: If I gave a “piece of my mind” to everyone who berates, mocks or otherwise insults me on this blog, I’d spend entire days facing them to do so.
So I guess it’s a good thing you’re not in my shoes. Thin skin not an option.
guy holloway
August 28th, 2012
4:39 pm
i have never seen the biggest buch of effen whiners. and you people call yourself fans.STFU
BravesFanSince80s
August 28th, 2012
4:54 pm
@guy holloway: back atcha squirt
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
4:55 pm
DOB your ok you just kiss Fredi’s butt too much, But there are worse people here (Like me haha)
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
4:57 pm
If you post here I think your a fan reguardless, positive or negative. We all at the end of the day want the same thing a world series win and parade down Peachtree. We just believe in differents roads to get to the destination.
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:00 pm
Hello everyone. DUMB Amber home from school. What is happening?
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
5:04 pm
Nothing much Amber just some people are getting sore feelings from name calling and insults. Buts its a PC world so now we have to baby everybody.
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:10 pm
Why can’t everyone get along? I thought we were all Brave fans. If they are going to be babies, They can go to school for me and I can stay up and see my Braves play. I HATE SCHOOL. IT SUCKS. Braves Rock. Go Braves!!!
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:19 pm
What happened last nite? Did not have time to see hilites
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Gman 84
August 28th, 2012
5:31 pm
Hey Carl, you’re right! The Braves are supposedly in a pennant chase but get 3 hit by a guy making his first start. To express disappointment over that effort makes anyone an idot. I’m sure he’ll be a first ballot HOFer. Sitting about 100 feet away he just didn’t look as unhittable as you think, but hey nobody knows baseball like you.
You are also correct that there couldn’t be a realistic expectation that the Braves might take advantage of the situation-I mean the Padres are pretty unbeatable, especially when they get a commanding 2 run lead early. Tip you’re cap and move on, right Carl?
Bet your fellow MENSA members are proud of you
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:36 pm
Can anyone tell me exactly what Chipper is going to do with a surfboard?
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
5:40 pm
DOB your ok you just kiss Fredi’s butt too much, But there are worse people here (Like me haha) — J-MAN
Thanks. Your approval means a lot.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
5:42 pm
I believe everything should be up to debate. I believe Fredi is a below average manager at best, I believe Uggla should be benched or sent to AAA, I believe McCann is hurt and shouldve been placed on the DL two weeks ago. I believe Hanson shouldnt be a starter anymore, Degado deserves another shot and has better stuff. I believe we need to get back to stealing more bases and working the count instead of swinging for the fences everytime. We need Fredi to show some fire and argue some bad calls. Also remember last season we had a better record and a much bigger WC lead so there is good reason to have doubts. Now thats how I feel if you want to debate me good because I love hearing the other side of the coin. But if your gonna drop insults and lame name calling then that cool too because you just lack the intelligence to properly debate me.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
5:44 pm
Dont mention it DOB Im hear for ya man lol. Let me know if you have any Ron Burgandy sightings in San Diego lol
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:50 pm
Why are we picking on poor DOB? He is one of the ones trying to teach DUMB Amber.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
5:56 pm
DOB can take most of it AMBER hes had worse days than this. Ive gave him far worse.
He will make it just give him some BBQ and hell forget all about everybody heckling him.
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
6:02 pm
Thanks for chatting J-Man. Got to do homework for dumb school. SCHOOL SUCKS Got to go See Y’all tomorrow xoxoxo. Good nite GO Braves!!!
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
6:04 pm
Well, DOB explained to me what “Nah” meant, but I never did get an answer from him about that filter (or those filters). See 3:28 p.m. post.
Maybe he’ll see this and respond.
Jasons Shrinking Waist
August 28th, 2012
6:06 pm
Another noname pitcher aganst braves tonite. Another struggle for sure.
Gina
August 28th, 2012
6:59 pm
Does anyone else notice that after a pitcher has been with the “big” club a few outings, they start to “nibble”? It’s time for a new pitching coach!
Lobosolo
August 28th, 2012
7:53 pm
Hey, J-WHINE… Im here…. before I get started, would you please, for the sake of some legitimacy, learn the usage of your and you’re… You still haven’t looked up drivel and dribble yet, either… I try to help you, but you’re just too adamant to be taught anyhting… I use the same tactics you armchairs use, which is derogatory name-calling… It sees to be the only language you can understand…. just another case of crybabies being able to dish it out but not take it… Long ago, I tried to explain some of the finer points of baseball to you, but it was you who failed to listen and respond with thoughtful discourse…. Instead, you posted more idiotic blather using my name and your poor writing…
I will debate anyone who has an idea of what they’re talking about, but when you run off at the mouth with comments that show no sense of baseball knowledge (nor proper use of “your” and “you’re”, for that matter… adds to your “hayseed” armchair quotient) and can do no better than disparage, I will happily stoop to your level…
Didn’t realize your feelings were so easily hurt not realizing I name other armchairs ( note: see Larry, Ralphie, alexis, Mitchell, billybob, bravesfaninwisconsin, etc., etc… lots of them for those that notice things)… It’s just that your posts have that certain something-something that sets you apart as an extra-uninformed baseball whiner…
There really is a book called Baseball for Dummies…. get it, man… Be sure to read up on the dynamics of calling up and re-calling players from the minors… might just be a good way to prevent yourself from some of your more imbecilic suggestions…
I must really get to you, Jayster… you’re (that’s the one you seem to always use “your” for) pre-empting your rags like your brother Lumpman… all you need to do is learn before you excoriate…
I’ll repeat it for your benefit, although there is no reason to believe you actually learn… I come on here to call out idiot remarks… no other reason… I love my baseball and love my Braves (since they moved here from Milwaukee)… I don’t need to cry over baseball, snce there’s none of that in it… My posts are at least as legitimate as yours and your armchair friends’, so get used to it… and try, try, try to understand the game a little better… it won’t hurt you a bit and you might actually gleen some fortitude to handle an exciting pennant race…
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
7:53 pm
DOB can take most of it AMBER hes had worse days than this. Ive gave him far worse.
He will make it just give him some BBQ and hell forget all about everybody heckling him. — J-MAN
Amusing. Delusional, but amusing.
Lobosolo
August 28th, 2012
7:57 pm
“I’ve gave him far worse”… wow, JJ… it should be a crime to post ignorantly AND drunk…. Sounds like that great G.W.Bush quote, speaking of education : ” The thing about it is, is our children learning?”… whoa, brother…
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