big problem is all the auto outs. Mac is fast losing his ticket to stay in Atlanta. Uggla, well I don’t beat dead horses. The guy who makes out the lineup(supposedly) should probably go away too.
It just makes me giggle everytime the Braves lose. Time to box up baseball season and concentrate on the only sport that matters…..FOOTBALL. College, Pro….it doesn’t matter. Baseball is like life. You spend all of your time bored and waiting for something to happen. Then when it does, you were reaching for a beer and you have to wait until the next game. A bunch of men wandering around in an open field waiting for someone to hit a ball to them. Meh….give me blitzes, tailback sweeps, post patterns and 4th and inches. It’s like the difference between riding the merry-Go-Round Ibaseball) or riding the Roller Coaster (football). I’m a Roller Coaster guy. You get more out of it.
Ahh Larry …every time I ask for evidence you reply to me or others with hate filled invective……you have to move beyond this peculiar & unbecoming trait & become an empiricist……then you will find the give & take of debating various issues re: the braves to be illuminating & fun…why not become a tumbledown, favraman, stallings, & lobosolo & respect evidence & credentials
The Braves lost last night because half of them were wearing long pants, in a Monday game, anyone that knows anything about the Braves, should know that.
Also, thay almost never hit well against a new pitcher, debuting into the Big Leagues.
I think that the Braves will win tonight.
go braves
Carl – It is useless to try to bring in some reason and balance into a discussion. It seems that anytime someone tries to do so, a barrage of insults follows. Of course, I have seen personal insults go the other way, too. I wish people would realize that whatever reasonable point is being made gets lost amid the personal insults. Sadly, I expect a personal insult to come my way in 5 4 3 2 . . .
If you have a 4 game series against the Braves and if you desperately need to sweep them in order to bypass them for a wild card. Just call up 4 pitchers from the minors and start them against the Braves. That should do the trick. Another shutout. How many does that make this year? I wonder how far they are from the 15 I projected for them.
First inning. Second batter. Close play, but Prado is SAFE at first… Wait — what?? He was called OUT? Prado argues, but to no avail.
Gonzalez just… sits.
Hey, Fredi: show the players that you have some testículos and that you have their backs once in a while, and who knows — maybe they’ll play harder for you, and maybe the Braves will get a close call once in a while.
Why is it that everyone thinks it’s the coach’s fault? He doesn’t hit, he doesn’t field and he doesn’t pitch. Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe we don’t have the horses…consitant horses…to get over the hump? Baseball managers are different from basketball and football coaches in that there aren’t the constant substitutions, play calling and time management. The Braves just plain don’t have the horses and if they can’t do their job, they aren’t right for the team. Good pitching beats good hitting…but then again, good hitting usually beats good pitching. We are just a middle of the pack team. The coach/manager has little to do with that.
I looked up the stats and came up with the following: the Braves have lost shutouts to the following pitchers: (1) Ramon Ramirez (Mets); (2) Joe Blanton (Phillies); (3) Paul Maholm (Cubs); (4) Strasburg (Nationals); (5) Nova (Yankees); (6) Hammel (Orioles); (7) Chen (Orioles); (8) Zito (Giants); (9) Hamels (Phillies); (10) Billingsley (Dodgers); and (11) Kelly (Padres). Hopefully, I did not miss any.
It seems like this group of pitchers consists of a number of quality ML starters as opposed to pitchers just called up from the minors. I have not analyzed each and every Braves’ game, so there might be some more instances of rookie pitchers having their way with Atlanta. If I had the time, I would do it. The point is that one should not jump to any conclusions without the proper research.
We still have folks making a deal out of a loss at the hands of a ‘first time out’ pitcher. Folks, these guys are not all slugs. Some will end up as the 1 or 2 guy in a rotation for the next decade and more. Where did some ATL fans gain all this insight and then conclude that debuting pitchers in MLB should have some built-in disadvantage during their debut regardless of talent/ability? Not all rookies ’shake in their boots’ the first time out. Some behave like seasoned veterans right out of the gate. I’ve witnessed many times a rookie who gets a hit-including a HR-the first plate appearance. We need to get some of you therapy sessions so we can get to the root of this odd way of assessing the performance of our ball club.
Reckingball actually has a point about the Braves and new or rookie or pitchers they see for the 1st time. It seems that everytime the see any pitcher for the 1st time we always lose. Also young Leftys give us headaches for ome reason. But I dont believe in that dumb Monday curse. But the Braves have lost something like 7 or 8 in a row when Uggla and McCann is in the line up They are killing the team. And yea I know Uggla had a hit last night but it only because the Padres were playing him to pull instead of playing him at DP depth like they should have since a runner was at 1st and it was less than 2 out but Uggla does need all the help he can get.
Carl – Please note that I wanted to point out some research as suggesting that the Braves have not necessarily struggled against new pitchers THIS YEAR as some lament. I realize my research is incomplete. And, to the extent that new pitchers have performed well against the Braves this year, I agree with what you say.
Braves??…A manager is supposed to do just that; MANAGE. fg is out managed by almost every manager out there. The poor thing is way over his head, and doesn’t have a clue. I am still pi$$ed that he didn’t do something when Prad was called out at first base. I think it could have been one of two things….nobody wanted to wake him, or he didn’t know or didn’t care. What a waste of another season.
Fredi: “I have to tip my cap to that Kelly kid, who pitched a little better than our guy tonight. And the calendar, I have to tip my cap to the calendar. Remember, it was Monday when we played that game, and we don’t play okay on Mondays.”
Then trouble in all our lifeless losses is the lack of trying to create runs. Bourn is slumping why not bunt now and then? Same for the bottom of the order. Hitting the ball hard at someone is just a loud out. Rather a quiet bunt hit. Then a steal and sac fly. Remember the 1960’s Dodgers? BTW do we ver hit and run? Beats the crap out of me.
I happened to look at a Texas Rangers message board a couple of week ago. There was much criticism of the team and the manager. And that is a team in first place with two trips to the WS in the last two years.
For those of you who couldn’t wait until the Braves got over that tough 10 game stretch, so they could play some sub .500 teams, well, here they are. How did that first game go for you? BTW, how do you disassemble a lineup that just won the last two games against SF, go back to your previous standard lineup that had just gone 2-6 and had been the lineup that has been saddled with most of the losses this year?
Nah you won’t fix the filter? Nah it wasn’t Monday? Nah there’s nothing wrong with the filter?
Hello? — DawgNole
Nah, as in, I’m not snapping to attention at directives like that. Ridiculous, the disposition that some folks here have, the demands and orders they make without a simple “can you?” or “would you?” I mean, if you can’t ask or be a bit more considerate, don’t bother. Issue the demands to someone else. It’s not hard to ask. Not hard to be courteous.
ok well the Braves need to start winning and need to start looking at ways to improve the offense. Note: Eric Hinske isnt the way to go, neither is Uggla, McCann is hurt put him on the DL and play Reed Johnson.
DOB- On another blog, I made a plea for people to be courteous and not hurl personal insults, In return, I got called a sack of you know what! It seems impossible for some to be courteous.
Wat thats BS. I havent said anything about Fredi yet but there are people here left and right bashing Fredi. So where is lamosolo to defend Fredi against the haters. If I even mention Fredi making a questiionable move this dork is out here callin me an Armchair and freaking out but there has been at least 20 people bashing Fredi and yet no lamosolo coming out spewing that diarrhea that he usually gives. I told you yesterday that you hide when the Braves do bad nd you prove my point guess I’ll wait until the Braves win a game for you to come out with your same Armchair or J-Whine BS.
I try not to hurl name calling at the individual, I usually insult their ideas. But its ok to smack talk just dont go to threating people or use racial or homophobic slurs. But if your gonna smack talk at least be funny. And calling comeone an idiot or a sack isnt funny its just lazy.
Nah you won’t fix the filter? Nah it wasn’t Monday? Nah there’s nothing wrong with the filter?
Hello?
— DawgNole
David O’Brien
August 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
Nah, as in, I’m not snapping to attention at directives like that. Ridiculous, the disposition that some folks here have, the demands and orders they make without a simple “can you?” or “would you?” I mean, if you can’t ask or be a bit more considerate, don’t bother. Issue the demands to someone else. It’s not hard to ask. Not hard to be courteous.
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There’s obviously a history here that I wasn’t aware of. (I don’t post much on the Braves blog.)
I was just wondering about the filter. Is it the same one for all AJC comments–or does each columnist have and maintain his/her own? I haven’t had problems today, but it’s been a major pain in the tail on many occasions in the past.
I wish the AJC used a filter(s) that indicated the reason(s) for rejecting a post. Many are kicked out for no apparent reason (i.e., vulgarity, racism, etc.).
I follow what you are saying J-Man. While I tend to side with the Fredi defenders like lobosolo, I do not like how he goes about insulting people who have genuine concerns and criticisms about Fredi’s managing. Fredi’s decision-making and overall managerial skills should be ripe for a good debate. We all will not agree. I try to point out issues that people may tend to jump to criticism too quicky and that managing a team is probably more difficult than we realize. That is my opinion, and I offer it not as the gospel truth.
Like the Braves, the Red Sox imploded last year. They changed managers, and look where they are now. The Braves reacted differently, and they are in the playoff hunt today. I have to believe that Fredi has done some good work to help steady the ship, especially after the dismal spring training and 0-4 start. You can disagree with my opinion, and the debate can be engaged. But, I am not an idiot or a sack of ??? for thinking the way I do, and those that criticize Fredi are also not idiots.
If your gonna be vulgar just use @ instead of A, $ instead of S, and use * to cover up the vowels of any other dirty words such a Sh*t, F*uck, and C*nt. Thats seems to be the rule of thumb of how people still remain vulgar without being vulgar. But you can say hell and damn and it will be ok.
With McCann, Uggla, Janish and the pitcher batting consecutively, half the lineup is absolute dead weight. The Braves really only have 3 innings a game they can realistically score in. If any of the other hitters are on a bad stretch, the whole thing collapses.
Was at the game last night-stared for 2.5 hours at absolutely nothing. Just a listless performance against a nervous kid pitcher. With a golden opportunity to gain 1/2 a game, they fell back to 5 out. Really pathetic
Well thats my whole point Tumble, is that everything should be open to debate. But people narrow-minded as lobosolo want to throw insults and say people dont know nothing about baseball. Well instead of throwing insults and names why dont you debate your point and explain your point of view. I have challenged him to a deate numerous times yet all he does is call me armchair , J-Whine or say I dribble, vene though he means drivel. But hey I guess he is mentally handicapped to actually go through a true debate.
I love this…….we’ve decided that he was a nervous kid pitcher. He probably had some anxiety–like all of us would–but I’ve seen many who loved it and couldn’t wait for the chance. This ‘kid’ was probably one of those and he did pretty good. Can we agree that, perhaps, the reason the Braves lost could have been just a little bit a result of a good pitching performance? I love these beer drinkin’ bubbas who sit back and decide when a team –for no particular reason–gave up a chance to gain a half game. We have nitwits from the west coast to the east coast. I’m glad we don’t have a nitwit monopoly here in ATL.
I think it is important to debate Fredi and other issues involving the Braves players. There was alot of grief over his decision to play Hinske in left field the other night. I thought it was important to give him some game action as we may need some production down the road from him, and he needs to stay involved. I did understand that maybe he should get his time at first base rather than left field. But, perhaps Fredi did not want to lose Freeman’s bat and thought that the team overall would be better with him in left field. The decision turned out to bite Fredi in the butt. However, I can see the reasoning in playing Hinske in left field despite the bad outcome. Players do need their rest for the stretch drive.
This and other issues involving Fredi can be debated quite well without resort to name calling.
@ Lobo, you are babbling again.. get your editor (mom) to review your writing before submission,some good ideas, too much filler…….babble, babble, babble………Lobo’s motto: I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy”, actually WC Fields . Meaning?: who cares, babble, babble…..
Until it becomes unacceptable (from the top) to be dominated by a young pitcher making his debut or an early start… nothing’s going to change.
It seems every player has it in his head before the game even starts. That “here we go again” mentality. THAT has to change and THAT is where the manager and coaches have to make that happen.
I’ve never seen a big league team so fragile.
Late night travel, next game a dud…
Day off, next game a dud…
Monday games, dud…
Pitcher making debut (early start), dud…
I respectfully asked you a question one time with a preface saying it was not meant to be attacking you at all (don’t remember the question)…
But you literally jumped my business with name calling me and preceded to berate me without cause without addressing the legitimate question.
I get it. People have bad days, but this was such a horrible attack i’ve never responded to you or asked anything since. And i vowed that if i ever met you in person, i was going to give you a peace of my mind…
I say this to you to be careful because people read and remember what you say to them. And it may be different than what you think or remember.
I think the thing that amazes me the most about FG is that he waits until the last possible millisecond to react to what everyone else in the stadium has noticed x-amount of time before-hand, and then what he does in his reaction is always a “waaaaay too little, waaaaaay too late” scenario. Like shuffling the lineup around in the game agains the Giants in FINAL reaction to holes in the lineup, covering that up by saying it was more about getting Hinske some at-bats rather than just calling a spade a spade in that the lineup he’d been trotting out night after night simply wasn’t getting it done. But what does he do? He sticks H
Braves hitters seem to always struggle against pitchers they haven’t seen before and any leftie–and I mean any leftie; major/minor league, college or high school.
inske in LF, puts Prado at SS (possible Prado’s weakest position) and leaves Ugly Dan in at 2B. In other words, Rather than take the practical route and put in a great defensive lineup (like say, Janish at SS, Prado at 2B, Ross at C) he puts a ridiculous lineup out there in answer to all the criticism of his coaching skills as if to say, “See guys, nothing I try works!” It’s total BS, the guy is a tool, and a useless one at that…
If you post here I think your a fan reguardless, positive or negative. We all at the end of the day want the same thing a world series win and parade down Peachtree. We just believe in differents roads to get to the destination.
Why can’t everyone get along? I thought we were all Brave fans. If they are going to be babies, They can go to school for me and I can stay up and see my Braves play. I HATE SCHOOL. IT SUCKS. Braves Rock. Go Braves!!!
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Hey Carl, you’re right! The Braves are supposedly in a pennant chase but get 3 hit by a guy making his first start. To express disappointment over that effort makes anyone an idot. I’m sure he’ll be a first ballot HOFer. Sitting about 100 feet away he just didn’t look as unhittable as you think, but hey nobody knows baseball like you.
You are also correct that there couldn’t be a realistic expectation that the Braves might take advantage of the situation-I mean the Padres are pretty unbeatable, especially when they get a commanding 2 run lead early. Tip you’re cap and move on, right Carl?
I believe everything should be up to debate. I believe Fredi is a below average manager at best, I believe Uggla should be benched or sent to AAA, I believe McCann is hurt and shouldve been placed on the DL two weeks ago. I believe Hanson shouldnt be a starter anymore, Degado deserves another shot and has better stuff. I believe we need to get back to stealing more bases and working the count instead of swinging for the fences everytime. We need Fredi to show some fire and argue some bad calls. Also remember last season we had a better record and a much bigger WC lead so there is good reason to have doubts. Now thats how I feel if you want to debate me good because I love hearing the other side of the coin. But if your gonna drop insults and lame name calling then that cool too because you just lack the intelligence to properly debate me.
DOB can take most of it AMBER hes had worse days than this. Ive gave him far worse.
He will make it just give him some BBQ and hell forget all about everybody heckling him.
Hey, J-WHINE… Im here…. before I get started, would you please, for the sake of some legitimacy, learn the usage of your and you’re… You still haven’t looked up drivel and dribble yet, either… I try to help you, but you’re just too adamant to be taught anyhting… I use the same tactics you armchairs use, which is derogatory name-calling… It sees to be the only language you can understand…. just another case of crybabies being able to dish it out but not take it… Long ago, I tried to explain some of the finer points of baseball to you, but it was you who failed to listen and respond with thoughtful discourse…. Instead, you posted more idiotic blather using my name and your poor writing…
I will debate anyone who has an idea of what they’re talking about, but when you run off at the mouth with comments that show no sense of baseball knowledge (nor proper use of “your” and “you’re”, for that matter… adds to your “hayseed” armchair quotient) and can do no better than disparage, I will happily stoop to your level…
Didn’t realize your feelings were so easily hurt not realizing I name other armchairs ( note: see Larry, Ralphie, alexis, Mitchell, billybob, bravesfaninwisconsin, etc., etc… lots of them for those that notice things)… It’s just that your posts have that certain something-something that sets you apart as an extra-uninformed baseball whiner…
There really is a book called Baseball for Dummies…. get it, man… Be sure to read up on the dynamics of calling up and re-calling players from the minors… might just be a good way to prevent yourself from some of your more imbecilic suggestions…
I must really get to you, Jayster… you’re (that’s the one you seem to always use “your” for) pre-empting your rags like your brother Lumpman… all you need to do is learn before you excoriate…
I’ll repeat it for your benefit, although there is no reason to believe you actually learn… I come on here to call out idiot remarks… no other reason… I love my baseball and love my Braves (since they moved here from Milwaukee)… I don’t need to cry over baseball, snce there’s none of that in it… My posts are at least as legitimate as yours and your armchair friends’, so get used to it… and try, try, try to understand the game a little better… it won’t hurt you a bit and you might actually gleen some fortitude to handle an exciting pennant race…
DOB can take most of it AMBER hes had worse days than this. Ive gave him far worse.
He will make it just give him some BBQ and hell forget all about everybody heckling him. — J-MAN
“I’ve gave him far worse”… wow, JJ… it should be a crime to post ignorantly AND drunk…. Sounds like that great G.W.Bush quote, speaking of education : ” The thing about it is, is our children learning?”… whoa, brother…
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benchwarmer
August 28th, 2012
12:30 pm
big problem is all the auto outs. Mac is fast losing his ticket to stay in Atlanta. Uggla, well I don’t beat dead horses. The guy who makes out the lineup(supposedly) should probably go away too.
Dave
August 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
It just makes me giggle everytime the Braves lose. Time to box up baseball season and concentrate on the only sport that matters…..FOOTBALL. College, Pro….it doesn’t matter. Baseball is like life. You spend all of your time bored and waiting for something to happen. Then when it does, you were reaching for a beer and you have to wait until the next game. A bunch of men wandering around in an open field waiting for someone to hit a ball to them. Meh….give me blitzes, tailback sweeps, post patterns and 4th and inches. It’s like the difference between riding the merry-Go-Round Ibaseball) or riding the Roller Coaster (football). I’m a Roller Coaster guy. You get more out of it.
PaulG
August 28th, 2012
12:33 pm
Ahh Larry …every time I ask for evidence you reply to me or others with hate filled invective……you have to move beyond this peculiar & unbecoming trait & become an empiricist……then you will find the give & take of debating various issues re: the braves to be illuminating & fun…why not become a tumbledown, favraman, stallings, & lobosolo & respect evidence & credentials
reckingball
August 28th, 2012
12:34 pm
The Braves lost last night because half of them were wearing long pants, in a Monday game, anyone that knows anything about the Braves, should know that.
Also, thay almost never hit well against a new pitcher, debuting into the Big Leagues.
I think that the Braves will win tonight.
go braves
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
12:36 pm
Carl – It is useless to try to bring in some reason and balance into a discussion. It seems that anytime someone tries to do so, a barrage of insults follows. Of course, I have seen personal insults go the other way, too. I wish people would realize that whatever reasonable point is being made gets lost amid the personal insults. Sadly, I expect a personal insult to come my way in 5 4 3 2 . . .
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
Fix the filter DOB — It Was Monday
Nah.
Tdawg
August 28th, 2012
12:46 pm
If you have a 4 game series against the Braves and if you desperately need to sweep them in order to bypass them for a wild card. Just call up 4 pitchers from the minors and start them against the Braves. That should do the trick. Another shutout. How many does that make this year? I wonder how far they are from the 15 I projected for them.
phil (the we're back again, baby! fan)
August 28th, 2012
12:55 pm
Fire FG!!
P Rose
August 28th, 2012
1:00 pm
First inning. Second batter. Close play, but Prado is SAFE at first… Wait — what?? He was called OUT? Prado argues, but to no avail.
Gonzalez just… sits.
Hey, Fredi: show the players that you have some testículos and that you have their backs once in a while, and who knows — maybe they’ll play harder for you, and maybe the Braves will get a close call once in a while.
Braves??
August 28th, 2012
1:04 pm
Why is it that everyone thinks it’s the coach’s fault? He doesn’t hit, he doesn’t field and he doesn’t pitch. Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe we don’t have the horses…consitant horses…to get over the hump? Baseball managers are different from basketball and football coaches in that there aren’t the constant substitutions, play calling and time management. The Braves just plain don’t have the horses and if they can’t do their job, they aren’t right for the team. Good pitching beats good hitting…but then again, good hitting usually beats good pitching. We are just a middle of the pack team. The coach/manager has little to do with that.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
1:05 pm
I looked up the stats and came up with the following: the Braves have lost shutouts to the following pitchers: (1) Ramon Ramirez (Mets); (2) Joe Blanton (Phillies); (3) Paul Maholm (Cubs); (4) Strasburg (Nationals); (5) Nova (Yankees); (6) Hammel (Orioles); (7) Chen (Orioles); (8) Zito (Giants); (9) Hamels (Phillies); (10) Billingsley (Dodgers); and (11) Kelly (Padres). Hopefully, I did not miss any.
It seems like this group of pitchers consists of a number of quality ML starters as opposed to pitchers just called up from the minors. I have not analyzed each and every Braves’ game, so there might be some more instances of rookie pitchers having their way with Atlanta. If I had the time, I would do it. The point is that one should not jump to any conclusions without the proper research.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
1:08 pm
Braves?? – Expect personal insults to come your way as well in 5 4 3 2 . . . You not blaming Fredi is fightin’ words.
Carl Farvman
August 28th, 2012
1:12 pm
We still have folks making a deal out of a loss at the hands of a ‘first time out’ pitcher. Folks, these guys are not all slugs. Some will end up as the 1 or 2 guy in a rotation for the next decade and more. Where did some ATL fans gain all this insight and then conclude that debuting pitchers in MLB should have some built-in disadvantage during their debut regardless of talent/ability? Not all rookies ’shake in their boots’ the first time out. Some behave like seasoned veterans right out of the gate. I’ve witnessed many times a rookie who gets a hit-including a HR-the first plate appearance. We need to get some of you therapy sessions so we can get to the root of this odd way of assessing the performance of our ball club.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
1:19 pm
Reckingball actually has a point about the Braves and new or rookie or pitchers they see for the 1st time. It seems that everytime the see any pitcher for the 1st time we always lose. Also young Leftys give us headaches for ome reason. But I dont believe in that dumb Monday curse. But the Braves have lost something like 7 or 8 in a row when Uggla and McCann is in the line up They are killing the team. And yea I know Uggla had a hit last night but it only because the Padres were playing him to pull instead of playing him at DP depth like they should have since a runner was at 1st and it was less than 2 out but Uggla does need all the help he can get.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
1:20 pm
Carl – Please note that I wanted to point out some research as suggesting that the Braves have not necessarily struggled against new pitchers THIS YEAR as some lament. I realize my research is incomplete. And, to the extent that new pitchers have performed well against the Braves this year, I agree with what you say.
FG's gotta go
August 28th, 2012
1:21 pm
Braves??…A manager is supposed to do just that; MANAGE. fg is out managed by almost every manager out there. The poor thing is way over his head, and doesn’t have a clue. I am still pi$$ed that he didn’t do something when Prad was called out at first base. I think it could have been one of two things….nobody wanted to wake him, or he didn’t know or didn’t care. What a waste of another season.
Skokie Dog
August 28th, 2012
1:31 pm
Fredi: “I have to tip my cap to that Kelly kid, who pitched a little better than our guy tonight. And the calendar, I have to tip my cap to the calendar. Remember, it was Monday when we played that game, and we don’t play okay on Mondays.”
oldmike
August 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
Then trouble in all our lifeless losses is the lack of trying to create runs. Bourn is slumping why not bunt now and then? Same for the bottom of the order. Hitting the ball hard at someone is just a loud out. Rather a quiet bunt hit. Then a steal and sac fly. Remember the 1960’s Dodgers? BTW do we ver hit and run? Beats the crap out of me.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
FG’s gotta go
What a waste of another season.
Just wanted to point out that the Braves are still in the lead for a WC slot.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
I happened to look at a Texas Rangers message board a couple of week ago. There was much criticism of the team and the manager. And that is a team in first place with two trips to the WS in the last two years.
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
BRAVELESS
August 28th, 2012
10:56 am
The problem with the current Braves is the same issues that we have had for the last 15 years.
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With only ONE championship since beginning play in ATL in 1966, I’d say the team has had the referenced issues for a lot longer than 15 years.
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
Braves??
August 28th, 2012
1:04 pm
Good pitching beats good hitting…but then again, good hitting usually beats good pitching.
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H-m-m-m-m-m-m-m?
Say WHAT now?
Sundrop Kid
August 28th, 2012
2:24 pm
For those of you who couldn’t wait until the Braves got over that tough 10 game stretch, so they could play some sub .500 teams, well, here they are. How did that first game go for you? BTW, how do you disassemble a lineup that just won the last two games against SF, go back to your previous standard lineup that had just gone 2-6 and had been the lineup that has been saddled with most of the losses this year?
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
2:27 pm
David O’Brien
August 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
Fix the filter DOB — It Was Monday
Nah.
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“Nah”?
Nah what?
Nah you won’t fix the filter? Nah it wasn’t Monday? Nah there’s nothing wrong with the filter?
Hello?
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
Fix the filter DOB — It Was Monday
Nah.
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“Nah”?
Nah what?
Nah you won’t fix the filter? Nah it wasn’t Monday? Nah there’s nothing wrong with the filter?
Hello? — DawgNole
Nah, as in, I’m not snapping to attention at directives like that. Ridiculous, the disposition that some folks here have, the demands and orders they make without a simple “can you?” or “would you?” I mean, if you can’t ask or be a bit more considerate, don’t bother. Issue the demands to someone else. It’s not hard to ask. Not hard to be courteous.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
ok well the Braves need to start winning and need to start looking at ways to improve the offense. Note: Eric Hinske isnt the way to go, neither is Uggla, McCann is hurt put him on the DL and play Reed Johnson.
RT (Riverdale)
August 28th, 2012
2:55 pm
Do Bourn and Haywood have the green light to steal? We don’t run enough. Uggla stinks and so does Fredi.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
DOB- On another blog, I made a plea for people to be courteous and not hurl personal insults, In return, I got called a sack of you know what! It seems impossible for some to be courteous.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
3:10 pm
Wat thats BS. I havent said anything about Fredi yet but there are people here left and right bashing Fredi. So where is lamosolo to defend Fredi against the haters. If I even mention Fredi making a questiionable move this dork is out here callin me an Armchair and freaking out but there has been at least 20 people bashing Fredi and yet no lamosolo coming out spewing that diarrhea that he usually gives. I told you yesterday that you hide when the Braves do bad nd you prove my point guess I’ll wait until the Braves win a game for you to come out with your same Armchair or J-Whine BS.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
3:13 pm
I try not to hurl name calling at the individual, I usually insult their ideas. But its ok to smack talk just dont go to threating people or use racial or homophobic slurs. But if your gonna smack talk at least be funny. And calling comeone an idiot or a sack isnt funny its just lazy.
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
3:28 pm
David O’Brien
August 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
Fix the filter DOB — It Was Monday
Nah.
_____________________
“Nah”?
Nah what?
Nah you won’t fix the filter? Nah it wasn’t Monday? Nah there’s nothing wrong with the filter?
Hello?
— DawgNole
David O’Brien
August 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
Nah, as in, I’m not snapping to attention at directives like that. Ridiculous, the disposition that some folks here have, the demands and orders they make without a simple “can you?” or “would you?” I mean, if you can’t ask or be a bit more considerate, don’t bother. Issue the demands to someone else. It’s not hard to ask. Not hard to be courteous.
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There’s obviously a history here that I wasn’t aware of. (I don’t post much on the Braves blog.)
I was just wondering about the filter. Is it the same one for all AJC comments–or does each columnist have and maintain his/her own? I haven’t had problems today, but it’s been a major pain in the tail on many occasions in the past.
I wish the AJC used a filter(s) that indicated the reason(s) for rejecting a post. Many are kicked out for no apparent reason (i.e., vulgarity, racism, etc.).
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
3:35 pm
I follow what you are saying J-Man. While I tend to side with the Fredi defenders like lobosolo, I do not like how he goes about insulting people who have genuine concerns and criticisms about Fredi’s managing. Fredi’s decision-making and overall managerial skills should be ripe for a good debate. We all will not agree. I try to point out issues that people may tend to jump to criticism too quicky and that managing a team is probably more difficult than we realize. That is my opinion, and I offer it not as the gospel truth.
Like the Braves, the Red Sox imploded last year. They changed managers, and look where they are now. The Braves reacted differently, and they are in the playoff hunt today. I have to believe that Fredi has done some good work to help steady the ship, especially after the dismal spring training and 0-4 start. You can disagree with my opinion, and the debate can be engaged. But, I am not an idiot or a sack of ??? for thinking the way I do, and those that criticize Fredi are also not idiots.
Have I stated anything unreasonable?
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
3:35 pm
If your gonna be vulgar just use @ instead of A, $ instead of S, and use * to cover up the vowels of any other dirty words such a Sh*t, F*uck, and C*nt. Thats seems to be the rule of thumb of how people still remain vulgar without being vulgar. But you can say hell and damn and it will be ok.
Thank you and God bless America
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Gman 84
August 28th, 2012
3:38 pm
With McCann, Uggla, Janish and the pitcher batting consecutively, half the lineup is absolute dead weight. The Braves really only have 3 innings a game they can realistically score in. If any of the other hitters are on a bad stretch, the whole thing collapses.
Was at the game last night-stared for 2.5 hours at absolutely nothing. Just a listless performance against a nervous kid pitcher. With a golden opportunity to gain 1/2 a game, they fell back to 5 out. Really pathetic
Sam from SW
August 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
Braves hardly ever beat guys they’ve never faced. Been doing that for years, and once again our HOF’mer doesn’t come through in a late game at bat.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
Well thats my whole point Tumble, is that everything should be open to debate. But people narrow-minded as lobosolo want to throw insults and say people dont know nothing about baseball. Well instead of throwing insults and names why dont you debate your point and explain your point of view. I have challenged him to a deate numerous times yet all he does is call me armchair , J-Whine or say I dribble, vene though he means drivel. But hey I guess he is mentally handicapped to actually go through a true debate.
Carl Farvman
August 28th, 2012
3:48 pm
I love this…….we’ve decided that he was a nervous kid pitcher. He probably had some anxiety–like all of us would–but I’ve seen many who loved it and couldn’t wait for the chance. This ‘kid’ was probably one of those and he did pretty good. Can we agree that, perhaps, the reason the Braves lost could have been just a little bit a result of a good pitching performance? I love these beer drinkin’ bubbas who sit back and decide when a team –for no particular reason–gave up a chance to gain a half game. We have nitwits from the west coast to the east coast. I’m glad we don’t have a nitwit monopoly here in ATL.
Tumbledown
August 28th, 2012
3:50 pm
I think it is important to debate Fredi and other issues involving the Braves players. There was alot of grief over his decision to play Hinske in left field the other night. I thought it was important to give him some game action as we may need some production down the road from him, and he needs to stay involved. I did understand that maybe he should get his time at first base rather than left field. But, perhaps Fredi did not want to lose Freeman’s bat and thought that the team overall would be better with him in left field. The decision turned out to bite Fredi in the butt. However, I can see the reasoning in playing Hinske in left field despite the bad outcome. Players do need their rest for the stretch drive.
This and other issues involving Fredi can be debated quite well without resort to name calling.
alex
August 28th, 2012
3:57 pm
@ Lobo, you are babbling again.. get your editor (mom) to review your writing before submission,some good ideas, too much filler…….babble, babble, babble………Lobo’s motto: I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy”, actually WC Fields . Meaning?: who cares, babble, babble…..
Sam from SW
August 28th, 2012
4:00 pm
Chipper Jones career avg with RISP/2outs is .266. Is that good?
tmc
August 28th, 2012
4:00 pm
Until it becomes unacceptable (from the top) to be dominated by a young pitcher making his debut or an early start… nothing’s going to change.
It seems every player has it in his head before the game even starts. That “here we go again” mentality. THAT has to change and THAT is where the manager and coaches have to make that happen.
I’ve never seen a big league team so fragile.
Late night travel, next game a dud…
Day off, next game a dud…
Monday games, dud…
Pitcher making debut (early start), dud…
It never ends. Grow some cojones!!!
tmc
August 28th, 2012
4:12 pm
DOB- i beg to differ from your 2:46 post.
I respectfully asked you a question one time with a preface saying it was not meant to be attacking you at all (don’t remember the question)…
But you literally jumped my business with name calling me and preceded to berate me without cause without addressing the legitimate question.
I get it. People have bad days, but this was such a horrible attack i’ve never responded to you or asked anything since. And i vowed that if i ever met you in person, i was going to give you a peace of my mind…
I say this to you to be careful because people read and remember what you say to them. And it may be different than what you think or remember.
BravesFanSince80s
August 28th, 2012
4:14 pm
I think the thing that amazes me the most about FG is that he waits until the last possible millisecond to react to what everyone else in the stadium has noticed x-amount of time before-hand, and then what he does in his reaction is always a “waaaaay too little, waaaaaay too late” scenario. Like shuffling the lineup around in the game agains the Giants in FINAL reaction to holes in the lineup, covering that up by saying it was more about getting Hinske some at-bats rather than just calling a spade a spade in that the lineup he’d been trotting out night after night simply wasn’t getting it done. But what does he do? He sticks H
Felix
August 28th, 2012
4:14 pm
Braves hitters seem to always struggle against pitchers they haven’t seen before and any leftie–and I mean any leftie; major/minor league, college or high school.
Felix
August 28th, 2012
4:17 pm
I agree with Dave. We all need to be more courteous of others on the blog, or really anywhere.
BravesFanSince80s
August 28th, 2012
4:18 pm
inske in LF, puts Prado at SS (possible Prado’s weakest position) and leaves Ugly Dan in at 2B. In other words, Rather than take the practical route and put in a great defensive lineup (like say, Janish at SS, Prado at 2B, Ross at C) he puts a ridiculous lineup out there in answer to all the criticism of his coaching skills as if to say, “See guys, nothing I try works!” It’s total BS, the guy is a tool, and a useless one at that…
BravesFanSince80s
August 28th, 2012
4:21 pm
Sorry, don’t know why my computer did that…
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
4:29 pm
tmc: If I gave a “piece of my mind” to everyone who berates, mocks or otherwise insults me on this blog, I’d spend entire days facing them to do so.
So I guess it’s a good thing you’re not in my shoes. Thin skin not an option.
guy holloway
August 28th, 2012
4:39 pm
i have never seen the biggest buch of effen whiners. and you people call yourself fans.STFU
BravesFanSince80s
August 28th, 2012
4:54 pm
@guy holloway: back atcha squirt
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
4:55 pm
DOB your ok you just kiss Fredi’s butt too much, But there are worse people here (Like me haha)
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
4:57 pm
If you post here I think your a fan reguardless, positive or negative. We all at the end of the day want the same thing a world series win and parade down Peachtree. We just believe in differents roads to get to the destination.
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:00 pm
Hello everyone. DUMB Amber home from school. What is happening?
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
5:04 pm
Nothing much Amber just some people are getting sore feelings from name calling and insults. Buts its a PC world so now we have to baby everybody.
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:10 pm
Why can’t everyone get along? I thought we were all Brave fans. If they are going to be babies, They can go to school for me and I can stay up and see my Braves play. I HATE SCHOOL. IT SUCKS. Braves Rock. Go Braves!!!
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:19 pm
What happened last nite? Did not have time to see hilites
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Gman 84
August 28th, 2012
5:31 pm
Hey Carl, you’re right! The Braves are supposedly in a pennant chase but get 3 hit by a guy making his first start. To express disappointment over that effort makes anyone an idot. I’m sure he’ll be a first ballot HOFer. Sitting about 100 feet away he just didn’t look as unhittable as you think, but hey nobody knows baseball like you.
You are also correct that there couldn’t be a realistic expectation that the Braves might take advantage of the situation-I mean the Padres are pretty unbeatable, especially when they get a commanding 2 run lead early. Tip you’re cap and move on, right Carl?
Bet your fellow MENSA members are proud of you
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:36 pm
Can anyone tell me exactly what Chipper is going to do with a surfboard?
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
5:40 pm
DOB your ok you just kiss Fredi’s butt too much, But there are worse people here (Like me haha) — J-MAN
Thanks. Your approval means a lot.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
5:42 pm
I believe everything should be up to debate. I believe Fredi is a below average manager at best, I believe Uggla should be benched or sent to AAA, I believe McCann is hurt and shouldve been placed on the DL two weeks ago. I believe Hanson shouldnt be a starter anymore, Degado deserves another shot and has better stuff. I believe we need to get back to stealing more bases and working the count instead of swinging for the fences everytime. We need Fredi to show some fire and argue some bad calls. Also remember last season we had a better record and a much bigger WC lead so there is good reason to have doubts. Now thats how I feel if you want to debate me good because I love hearing the other side of the coin. But if your gonna drop insults and lame name calling then that cool too because you just lack the intelligence to properly debate me.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
5:44 pm
Dont mention it DOB Im hear for ya man lol. Let me know if you have any Ron Burgandy sightings in San Diego lol
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
5:50 pm
Why are we picking on poor DOB? He is one of the ones trying to teach DUMB Amber.
J-MAN
August 28th, 2012
5:56 pm
DOB can take most of it AMBER hes had worse days than this. Ive gave him far worse.
He will make it just give him some BBQ and hell forget all about everybody heckling him.
Amber Girl
August 28th, 2012
6:02 pm
Thanks for chatting J-Man. Got to do homework for dumb school. SCHOOL SUCKS Got to go See Y’all tomorrow xoxoxo. Good nite GO Braves!!!
DawgNole
August 28th, 2012
6:04 pm
Well, DOB explained to me what “Nah” meant, but I never did get an answer from him about that filter (or those filters). See 3:28 p.m. post.
Maybe he’ll see this and respond.
Jasons Shrinking Waist
August 28th, 2012
6:06 pm
Another noname pitcher aganst braves tonite. Another struggle for sure.
Gina
August 28th, 2012
6:59 pm
Does anyone else notice that after a pitcher has been with the “big” club a few outings, they start to “nibble”? It’s time for a new pitching coach!
Lobosolo
August 28th, 2012
7:53 pm
Hey, J-WHINE… Im here…. before I get started, would you please, for the sake of some legitimacy, learn the usage of your and you’re… You still haven’t looked up drivel and dribble yet, either… I try to help you, but you’re just too adamant to be taught anyhting… I use the same tactics you armchairs use, which is derogatory name-calling… It sees to be the only language you can understand…. just another case of crybabies being able to dish it out but not take it… Long ago, I tried to explain some of the finer points of baseball to you, but it was you who failed to listen and respond with thoughtful discourse…. Instead, you posted more idiotic blather using my name and your poor writing…
I will debate anyone who has an idea of what they’re talking about, but when you run off at the mouth with comments that show no sense of baseball knowledge (nor proper use of “your” and “you’re”, for that matter… adds to your “hayseed” armchair quotient) and can do no better than disparage, I will happily stoop to your level…
Didn’t realize your feelings were so easily hurt not realizing I name other armchairs ( note: see Larry, Ralphie, alexis, Mitchell, billybob, bravesfaninwisconsin, etc., etc… lots of them for those that notice things)… It’s just that your posts have that certain something-something that sets you apart as an extra-uninformed baseball whiner…
There really is a book called Baseball for Dummies…. get it, man… Be sure to read up on the dynamics of calling up and re-calling players from the minors… might just be a good way to prevent yourself from some of your more imbecilic suggestions…
I must really get to you, Jayster… you’re (that’s the one you seem to always use “your” for) pre-empting your rags like your brother Lumpman… all you need to do is learn before you excoriate…
I’ll repeat it for your benefit, although there is no reason to believe you actually learn… I come on here to call out idiot remarks… no other reason… I love my baseball and love my Braves (since they moved here from Milwaukee)… I don’t need to cry over baseball, snce there’s none of that in it… My posts are at least as legitimate as yours and your armchair friends’, so get used to it… and try, try, try to understand the game a little better… it won’t hurt you a bit and you might actually gleen some fortitude to handle an exciting pennant race…
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2012
7:53 pm
DOB can take most of it AMBER hes had worse days than this. Ive gave him far worse.
He will make it just give him some BBQ and hell forget all about everybody heckling him. — J-MAN
Amusing. Delusional, but amusing.
Lobosolo
August 28th, 2012
7:57 pm
“I’ve gave him far worse”… wow, JJ… it should be a crime to post ignorantly AND drunk…. Sounds like that great G.W.Bush quote, speaking of education : ” The thing about it is, is our children learning?”… whoa, brother…
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