Boy Larry, you’ve got some issues. Why do people like you feel the need to get on these boards and insult everyone. I’m assuming that it’s because of your superior intelligence as evidenced by your frequent use of the prononoun ” whom”. By the way, since sarcasm is so hard to read, I’ll tell you that last statement was dripping with it. The real reason you people ruin these boards is because of your debilitating inferiority complexes. What type of individual anonymously brags of their intelligence and level of income? Feeble minded cowards who live in their parents basement. How old are you? Get a life Larry. Quit ruining everyone else’s. It’s just a game.
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Wow, what a read through here…reminds me why I rarely read the postgame write ups.
Larry really gets the uneducated, dirt poor morons into a white hot fit of rage….LOL at the numerous attempts to belittle the man over his harmless post. I don’t agree with his knocks on Chipper, but aside from that, what did he say to get you all so worked up?
Knew there would be some Medlen-Maddux comparisons, but Maddux didn’t not have much of a curveball, and he didn’t throw quite as hard. We will never see another Maddux. Meds does have a heavy fastball like Maddux did, but he is his own man. Now he has to be included in any talk of future starting rotations.
“Medlen pitched a beautiful game. He seems to have risen from a wounded relief pitcher to our best starting pitcher so hats-off to him.”
He was a wounded starter.
No, I don’t buy the organizational line about regulating Medlen’s innings. It seems clear they threw him into the bullpen because they had other guys they preferred in the rotation. Kudos to Medlen, he might wind up saving the season for this team.
The Braves management always seems slow on the draw. It took them forever to notice Pastornicky wasn’t a Major League shortstop, Medlen is a solid starter, Uggla is pulling down the team, McCann shouldn’t be batting third or fourth, Heyward should be at the top of the order, and so forth. Now we get this six-man rotation nonsense, which is nothing more than a copout for not making tough decisions.
This team would be better with Prado playing second base and a complementary player splitting time in the outfield with Reed Johnson (Hinske has become an immobile object). Hanson and Sheets should be alternating in the fifth spot in the rotation, with the other pitching out of the bullpen between starts, until one of them proves to be healthy and reliable enough to hold down a spot alone. If Hudson needs to skip a start, then plug one of them in. But a six man rotation is just nuts.
If a good looking woman from SW Atlanta – educated in the Atlanta Public Schools and proud of it – were looking for somebody on this blog to date I would certainly choose Larry over the never-was wannabes on here trying to demean Larry for being successful and thinking on his own. You guys remind me of Dan Uggla just swinging and missing and swinging some more while Larry stands up to the plate and with one swing the ball soars out of the ballpark. Yes, Larry has the courage and the brains to bring this blog what it needs. Thank you Larry from this SW Atlanta girl who loves ballplaying and loves the Atlanta Braves.
Did any AJC sportswriter or media person ask FG why he didn’t do what he did with the lineup on Mon. when the series started? Nothing changed, so what was different? Might have been a sweep by the Braves. I was just being facetious. I know nobody asked him, or ever will.
And if this was the Bomb Squad where have they been all season? If Fredi looked at Leyland and Bobby and said, “I can do better” then more power to him. More likely though Fredi heard a suggestion from somebody upstairs that he try something different and see if anything good might happen. What will happen now? Will Uggla return to the lineup? Will Fredi sit Ross and play McCann? Does Fredi have the courage to play Francisco on a day of his choosing instead of Chipper’s? These are all questions this SW Atlanta girl would like to have answered.
I love me some Nats baseball. Of course, last night was all about Chipper, as it should have been. So, it was fitting that the Braves and Nats switched uniforms so the Braves could win one for Chipper. Seriously, Medlin was downright devastating, which had to be encouraging to the Braves who finally decided to win. Good for them. Only 6 behind first place – a few games ahead of the wild card race. That won’t get Chipper another ring (sorry Dan Uggla), but he’s got a well-deserved sweet set of hardware proving he’s a champion. Thanks for the memories Chipper. Now please, tip your hat to the Nats as they sweep you in Atlanta and enjoy your next life.
Watching Medlen pitch last night reminded me a lot of Greg Maddux. I’m not saying that Medlen is in the same league with the hall-of-famer…..yet. Great mound presence, good changeup, and a breaking ball to left handers that left them standing open-mouthed. He had great control all night….one walk tells the tale. The Braves need a stopper and Medlen fits that name.
Chipper is right about meddie. He is very much like Maddux. Kind of a Maddog-lite. When he came back at the end of last year there seemed to be some excitement because of what he could do before the injury. He was awesome in the pen and now one month as a starter and we have a very important guy. I was thrilled Uggla was not in the lineup last night. When he struck out last night, the game was the books. Wonder what happens tonight.
Hudson/Medlen coming off surgery from last season, Sheets out of BB for 2 years, Minor first full season, Hanson with bad back, and Maholm a solid 2/3 lefty starter makes the 6 man rotation look very stategic based on what we have. Now if we could just score some runs for these guys.
Even tho I’ve got my fork out…I’m still hoping I don’t have to use it. GO BRAVES! Its not too late to start another winning streak! If McCann and Uggla get going….Look out….I’ll throw the fork away!
Not so fast on your nats. Strasburg, according to the Washington Post will miss his last 3 starts and NOT pitch in the playoffs. Zimmerman with his inability to throw a baseball, will cost the nats some more games.
It is my humble opinion that Fredi takes a lot of unnecessary criticism on these blogs. People who criticize seem to resort to conclusory statements without any detailed facts. I do not see anyone citing other managers and how their decisions are superior to Fredi’s decision-making.
Let’s look at the Detroit Tigers and LA Angels.. These teams are led by supposedly elite managers in Leyland and Scioscia. Yet, Detroit and LA are only 66-57 and 64-60, respectively. Should we really tear into Fredi despite the fact that his team is overachieving to some degree as compared to such talented teams in LA and Detroit?
Fredi obviously makes decisions that backfire. ALL managers do. Those who take Fredi to task work backwords from the result to the decision. If the players do not execute, people who despise Fredi will somehow condemn him even though the player did not carry out his duties. You condemn Fredi for not running more. Maybe he does institute the running game but the batters foul off pitches during a steal. Maybe Fredi’s hit and runs are stymied by the batter’s lack of execution. Maybe the players are unable to bunt and move baserunners along. I do not know. Until I see a more in depth analysis (including comparisons with other manager’s decisions) from some of the so-called expert bloggers, I cannot fairly judge whether Fredi is a good or bad manager.
Finally, it shows a complete lack of education and human decency to personally insult any manager or player. For example, while we can debate whether a particular decision by Fredi is wise or whether Uggla should be in the starting lineup, there is no need to personally attack either Fredi or Uggla. Such attack merely reflects on the insecurity of the attacker. Just my two or three cents.
Medlen only has 87 innings so far this year. He’ll make 5 or 6 more starts and end the year right at about 130 innings. I’m just going with what the Braves have said all along and it looks like they’ll keep Medlen right at the target they set without having to pull a Strasburg shutdown.
Beg to differ, Wesley. The Braves have not said this all along, it’s the story they’ve concocted to try and dispel the criticism they’ve received for their indecisiveness. Medlen never had a chance to make the starting rotation out of ST simply because of his size, although he pitched much better than several who did make the rotation. When the wheels started coming off and JJ, Minor and Delgado weren’t getting it done, finally, they sent Medlen down to Gwinnett to be stretched out for starting. But, JJ whined and Minor had a good start and, suddenly Medlen was sent right back to the pen. This was not a plan, Wesley, it was poor, indecisive leadership and it continues with this 6-man rotation. The leadership is afraid to hurt someone’s feelings rather than make the tough decisions and the team has paid for it in losses.
I don’t have time to read the entire blog. Could someone please tell me if it is or is not a baseball given/superstition/axiom that a manager does not change the lineup after a win? If the answer is “Yes” that would mean no Uggla, ccrrect OR would the 9th inning at bat justify his reinsertion into the lineup after 4 game losing streak is broken?
Sorry fat fingers hit submit key too soon. Fredi also rearranged the lineup to have Prado leading off and Johnson batting second. Uggla and McCann were obvious but resting Bourn against the lefthander was unexpected. Bourn needs a rest every now and then and adoring so when Braves are facing lefthander is a good move. Now Braves are facing a tough lefthander tonight. Will Fredi revert to (1) starting Uggla and McCann again and (2) will he start Bourn but let Prado lead off and let Bourn bat second or sixth? Last night’s moves were good moves that paid off but why does it take a prolonged losing streak to make Fredi do something reactionary? Why not be proactive and tell players you are putting them in the best position for them to succeed and not punishing them.
The six-man rotation is good for this long stretch without a day off. You can rest members of the starting eight, but the guys in the rotation don’t get a breather if you stay in the 5-man. Even if it’s psychological, it keeps them on track. It seems to be working.
Remember when Medlen first came up and how funny he looked with that just-out-of-the-box capbill? Guys were saying, Dude, rough up your bill. He said, no, that’s the way he likes it. And that’s the way it has always been. He is just a terrific pitcher and he will be in the rotation for years to come if we can afford him.
The six-man rotation is good for this long stretch without a day off. You can rest members of the starting eight, but the guys in the rotation don’t get a breather if you stay in the 5-man.
Yes, that’s why all the other teams do it, right? Unlike position players, pitchers pitch every five days. This is the standard throughout baseball and I wasn’t aware there was a problem with it. I’ll stick to my opinion that the six-man rotation is a failure of leadership to make the tough decisions.
Brava – If all the other teams do it, it seems like the tough decision would be to use a six-man rotation. Look, people laughed at Larussa for hitting the pitcher eighth instead of ninth, when all other NL teams utilized the standard lineup. His teams have won two of the last six World Series.
I am not saying the decision to use a six-man rotation is wise. However, unconventional methods should not be summarily dismissed. The Braves’ pitching staff consists of several pitchers who are dinged up (Hanson, Hudson, Sheets) and pitchers with limited starts in the Major Leagues (Medlen and Minor). i am not sure any other team is comprised of a similar pitching staff. Maybe the six-man staff is the way to go now, especially in light of the Braves’ injuries and pitching collapse one year ago.
Again, the tough decision is to go with a six-man rotation when it against the norm. If the rotation fails, I believe Fredi and the coaches are open to criticism but it is more of the hindsight is 20-20 variety.
The facts are when the Braves came out of S/T, Minor, Beachy & Delgado beat out Medlen for the 4/5 spots in the starting rotation. Coming off T/J surgery and minimizing his early innings made the Braves a stronger team. Look what has happened to Santana on the Mets…he is done for the season just like Stasburg will be after 2 more starts.
Dan Uggla is great! He is super! Soon, he will start hitting homeruns and triples all over the place. His power hitting will overwhelm you. Just be patient. I know it is late August, and he hasn’t gone on a tear yet, but trust me on this. I can predict future baseball events. It will happen very, very soon. When he does, some team will pay dearly.
I also think Dan is a manly man.
I suppose you could look at it that way, as well, Tumbledown, but given the Medlen fiasco, I’ll stick to my guns. The Braves would likely have, at least, a couple more wins if Medlen had been placed in the rotation when he returned from Gwinnett.
Honestly, though, I think the Braves failed by not putting him in the rotation when it became apparent that having both Minor and Delgado in the rotation was killing the team. That was a long time ago and I can’t help but wonder how much closer to the Nats we’d be, or if they’d even be looking up at us now. Strasburg has a 160-180 innings limit if reports are correct. Medlen, who is now at 87, will come nowhere near that this season, even if we make it to the post season. His talent was wasted because he was perceived by some brainiac to be too short to be an effective starter.
In all, the Braves are very slow to make sound decisions as evidenced by the Pastornicky/Simmons debate at SS. How many games did that cost us? The Uggla/McCann thing that’s going on now, why does it take so long to react when the problem is so evident game after game? Again, they are afraid to hurt someone’s feelings rather than help the team win by making the tough decisions.
Larry: Agreed, but then you have to consider that the vast majority of baseball players–and managers for that matter–are rednecks or from impoverished countries thus most barely finished high school.
Yes, Larry is sometimes pompous, but he is correct about MLBs special distinction of being the least educated of all professional sports. Tony Larussa, attorney, did more with less for 20 years and out-manuevered other bubba managers his entire career. There’s a good reason I don’t listen to baseball player interviews and never read the quotes after games. They are usually all extremely painful to endure. Just listen next time to Chipper or Fredi and try to tell me and Larry that we’re wrong!
The facts are when the Braves came out of S/T, Minor, Beachy & Delgado beat out Medlen for the 4/5 spots in the starting rotation.
The facts are, the Braves decided to place him in the bullpen, despite the fact that he outpitched all those you listed during ST. They didn’t beat him out. Let’s not skew the facts.
I have been telling people that Medlen could be the next Maddox but he has a long way to go to reach Gregs win totals, Medlen is a great fielder like Greg, he moves the ball aroung like Greg, he s fearless like Greg, he holds runners on first better then Greg, why has it aken so long to put one of our best pitchers in the rotation? Plain and simple our manager does not recognize talent when it is right in front of his face , had Medlen been put in the rotation a month sooner we more then likely have 4 more wins which would put us only 2 games out.
We need a manager that understands the hit and run concept of baseball especially when we struggle to score runs because many of our hitters are in a slump, Prado and Chipper would be great hit and run type hitters because they rarely strike out, no reason for them to be hitting into double plays period.
Brava – I think you might be using a little 20/20 hindsight analysis. What if the Braves had yanked Smoltz in 1991 after his 2-12 start? He was “killing the team” with that start, but the Braves stuck with him and benefitted greatly. Of course, the Braves back then could afford to have a long leash as they had no real history of competing for the playoffs.
I think there is some benefit to the team by giving players a truly fair shot to succeed. We know now that Simmons was the real deal over Pastornicky. We also know that Medlen is an upgrade over most if not all the Braves’ pitchers who have started this year. But, by giving the players a long leash, all the players have more confidence that they can work themselves into a successful position. A quick hook might leave the team a little gun shy and fearful.
The Braves are 71-53 now. They are in the running for a playoff birth. All the decisions made have not been correct. But no team around the major leagues has made all the correct decisions. The Nats may make a fatal decision with Strasburg with regard to their WS hopes. The Rangers probably should not have signed Oswalt (or maybe it will pay off in the end). Let’s see where the Braves end up before labeling the Braves’ management a failure.
Carl, no offense intended, but this is a baseball blog, not an English class. If you spend enough time here, you’ll learn to ignore the numerous grammatical faux pas.
Brava, I attended the Brave’s Caravan before the season started and they were already saying that Medlen would be an alternate starter early on in order to keep his innings down this year. I didn’t hear the 130 innings number until later, but the number has been bounced around all summer.
Tumbledown, no, I’m not using hindsight at all. It was very clear, early on, that Pastornicky was a defensive liability and Simmons, who had wowed during ST, was tearing it up at AA. I do remember Simmons being injured at the end of ST, so I’m not faulting the Braves for their initial choice, just that it took so long to make the move.
As for Medlen, I see no excuses after it became clear that having two prospects in the rotation wasn’t a very good idea (should have never happened to begin with). I agree with you about Smoltz, but he was one black hole in the rotation, not two, and Minor has shown a heck of a lot of improvement while Delgado still has some work to do. I’m just saying, Wren made it clear when he traded away Tim Collins, who had a wicked fastball, without even giving him a look, that he wasn’t very fond of diminutive pitchers. I think that’s been the true reason for keeping Medlen in the pen, despite the issues the team had with pitching all season.
I have not labeled the Braves management a failure and don’t how you’ve come to that conclusion from anything I’ve written. This is a very good team, but I think it could have a better record if the leadership was not so indecisive when it comes to player management.
Red&Black, Didn’t know that, but I feel that’s a decison they should have made AFTER they evaluated the talent on hand. I didn’t hear the 130 innings until last week and I keep up with the team every day. All of a sudden, the mishandling of Medlen became a plan they’d had all along. Hey, if you buy that, I’m not going to argue, I just don’t.
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“Carl, no offense intended, but this is a baseball blog……..”
Yeah,I know. But it gets confusing when every 4th post mentions that Bourn should be resigned. So, I take it literally and wonder why such a young player with so much left to offer should quit. It’s like when someone [most people] say “could care less” and don’t have a clue that they’re saying the exact opposite of what they meant to say. But I digress……………………..
I took the following statements made by you as indicating you may have labeled the Braves management a failure:
(1) I’ll stick to my opinion that the six-man rotation is a failure of leadership to make the tough decisions.
(2) Honestly, though, I think the Braves failed by not putting him in the rotation when it became apparent that having both Minor and Delgado in the rotation was killing the team.
I was perhaps a little too hasty with my characterization even though you referenced “failed” and “failure” when talking about management decisions. Nevertheless, your overall position seems very reasonable, and I appreciate how you present your argument. I am probably a little more deferential to the Braves management decisions on Medlen and the shortstop debate. I do recognize that their decision-making is not perfect. As much as we can reasonably fault them for waiting too long on Medlen and not taking an early shot with Simmons, management must deserve some praise for taking a risk on Sheets and bringing in Maholm. Sheets has certainly been worth a couple of extra wins. By contrast, I don’t think possible pickups like Greinke and Dempster have panned out as hoped for their new teams.
Of course, I recognize that my praise for Braves’ management also relies on 20/20 hindsight. I guess my point is that we can all be a little too critical on management decisions. Management has to make its decisions using all the info available to them. i assume management has more info available than we do. That is why I give a little more deference and try to recognize the influence of 20/20 hindsight. Is my position reasonable?
Larry, are you going to change names and posts until you reach the 30th different one…. Thinly veiled attempt… it’s very easy to see the writing style… I think it’s called a full-blown personality disorder… Funny how you can call me a bully ( and you can rest assured that I don’t need multiple names to get my point across) while your posts start out and end with name-calling to anyone who is not cut from the 20/20, armchair/ baseball/softball legend mode…. even stealing phil’s moniker and thinking you’re fooling folks… Whew, Limpule, it must be getting hot in there..
Whatever case you make, or whatever name you try to delude folks with, everyone knows the score with you…
Here are the facts, for all of your disordered personalities: Have each one of them read so you might find a semblance of sanity… Right now the Braves are six back in their division… they would be leading half of all divisions in baseball, while being one game and one and a half games out in the other two… that does not translate into the bad team and bad management… Top five out of 30… I think we could all say, if up were down and black were white, you wouldn’t be in that place as a manager, given your frighteningly apparent lack of understanding of the game…
For the rest of you Limpone wanna-bes…. Do you really think you can make all these assumptions given the fact that not a one of you is privy to any more knowledge about what goes on in the front office or clubhouse other than what you read on blogs and see from your perch on some worn out couch? I mean, REALLY??? “Your” team, the one you have to cry about with every loss, is poised in a pretty good spot for the post season… It is baffling and hilarious and at the same time… Try to enjoy it, if you can… be a real fan… you’ll be able to LEGITIMATELY cheer for them if they win the whole thing…
Anyone else notice that Uggla was nonchalant in his pinch hit role last night. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe that is his normal approach. This guy doesn’t have a clue at the plate. He is worse than any pitcher at the plate. Could we get Hudson to hit for him? This dude has some real problem. I don’t see him every hitting again. I really like him and was of the thankful we got him from the Marlins. Can he pitch?
While you guys are busy insulting eah other, it will be interesting to note what lineup FG trots out tonight; my money says he puts Uggla and McCann right back in there, learning NOTHING from yesterday!
McCann is a real shame, because his injury should relegate him to backup catcher. Ross is plenty good enogh to play every day.
Uggla, on the other hand, should be put out to pasture!
Let the Rev rotate if nec. with Prado at second, and use Johnson in left in that rotation.
BTW, when Simmons comes back, is there any real reason that Janish could not move to second? I have a strong feeling that he could play there with little or no problem.
Does Braves brain trust know how to evaluate talent? How does a guy like Medlen pass thru the Braves brain trust (Management) . Medlen had to beg for a chance to be a starter. The kid can pitch. How come the other starters keep making mistakes in critical situations and later say , he hit my mistake. This is not the first game out of spring training. Medlen shows me that he has the guts to be a starter. Yea, he made a few mistakes, but balls were not in the barrel of the bat of zone.
I love the posters who add nothing to this blog but simply come on here to denigrate others, the know-it-alls who are always telling others they don’t understand the game. I’m glad I don’t have to do that to affirm my sense of self-worth. It must really suck to be so miserable.
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Skokie Dog
August 23rd, 2012
11:12 am
Has Fredi finished tipping his cap to Medlen yet?
phil (confidence waning fan)
August 23rd, 2012
11:26 am
Original birddawg
August 23rd, 2012
7:54 am
Boy Larry, you’ve got some issues. Why do people like you feel the need to get on these boards and insult everyone. I’m assuming that it’s because of your superior intelligence as evidenced by your frequent use of the prononoun ” whom”. By the way, since sarcasm is so hard to read, I’ll tell you that last statement was dripping with it. The real reason you people ruin these boards is because of your debilitating inferiority complexes. What type of individual anonymously brags of their intelligence and level of income? Feeble minded cowards who live in their parents basement. How old are you? Get a life Larry. Quit ruining everyone else’s. It’s just a game.
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Bubba Bean
August 23rd, 2012
11:32 am
LoboSolo……….Great comeback. Made my day.
phil (confidence waning fan)
August 23rd, 2012
11:35 am
Wow, what a read through here…reminds me why I rarely read the postgame write ups.
Larry really gets the uneducated, dirt poor morons into a white hot fit of rage….LOL at the numerous attempts to belittle the man over his harmless post. I don’t agree with his knocks on Chipper, but aside from that, what did he say to get you all so worked up?
Pathetic.
HOF 10
August 23rd, 2012
11:40 am
Knew there would be some Medlen-Maddux comparisons, but Maddux didn’t not have much of a curveball, and he didn’t throw quite as hard. We will never see another Maddux. Meds does have a heavy fastball like Maddux did, but he is his own man. Now he has to be included in any talk of future starting rotations.
DawgDad
August 23rd, 2012
11:41 am
“Medlen pitched a beautiful game. He seems to have risen from a wounded relief pitcher to our best starting pitcher so hats-off to him.”
He was a wounded starter.
No, I don’t buy the organizational line about regulating Medlen’s innings. It seems clear they threw him into the bullpen because they had other guys they preferred in the rotation. Kudos to Medlen, he might wind up saving the season for this team.
The Braves management always seems slow on the draw. It took them forever to notice Pastornicky wasn’t a Major League shortstop, Medlen is a solid starter, Uggla is pulling down the team, McCann shouldn’t be batting third or fourth, Heyward should be at the top of the order, and so forth. Now we get this six-man rotation nonsense, which is nothing more than a copout for not making tough decisions.
This team would be better with Prado playing second base and a complementary player splitting time in the outfield with Reed Johnson (Hinske has become an immobile object). Hanson and Sheets should be alternating in the fifth spot in the rotation, with the other pitching out of the bullpen between starts, until one of them proves to be healthy and reliable enough to hold down a spot alone. If Hudson needs to skip a start, then plug one of them in. But a six man rotation is just nuts.
PaulG
August 23rd, 2012
11:45 am
Phil, you must be Larry’s bum boy..It’s his moral superiority & belittling other bloggers that is the problem
LaBrenda Chenile Watson
August 23rd, 2012
11:58 am
If a good looking woman from SW Atlanta – educated in the Atlanta Public Schools and proud of it – were looking for somebody on this blog to date I would certainly choose Larry over the never-was wannabes on here trying to demean Larry for being successful and thinking on his own. You guys remind me of Dan Uggla just swinging and missing and swinging some more while Larry stands up to the plate and with one swing the ball soars out of the ballpark. Yes, Larry has the courage and the brains to bring this blog what it needs. Thank you Larry from this SW Atlanta girl who loves ballplaying and loves the Atlanta Braves.
TuffShhhtuff
August 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm
Did any AJC sportswriter or media person ask FG why he didn’t do what he did with the lineup on Mon. when the series started? Nothing changed, so what was different? Might have been a sweep by the Braves. I was just being facetious. I know nobody asked him, or ever will.
Logan
August 23rd, 2012
12:04 pm
CBS Braves Article.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/19872735/while-the-red-sox-have-turmoil,-the-braves-have-another-playoff-chase-(and-few-thoughts-of-collapse)
LaBrenda Chenile Watson
August 23rd, 2012
12:07 pm
And if this was the Bomb Squad where have they been all season? If Fredi looked at Leyland and Bobby and said, “I can do better” then more power to him. More likely though Fredi heard a suggestion from somebody upstairs that he try something different and see if anything good might happen. What will happen now? Will Uggla return to the lineup? Will Fredi sit Ross and play McCann? Does Fredi have the courage to play Francisco on a day of his choosing instead of Chipper’s? These are all questions this SW Atlanta girl would like to have answered.
DCHomerInATL
August 23rd, 2012
12:17 pm
I love me some Nats baseball. Of course, last night was all about Chipper, as it should have been. So, it was fitting that the Braves and Nats switched uniforms so the Braves could win one for Chipper. Seriously, Medlin was downright devastating, which had to be encouraging to the Braves who finally decided to win. Good for them. Only 6 behind first place – a few games ahead of the wild card race. That won’t get Chipper another ring (sorry Dan Uggla), but he’s got a well-deserved sweet set of hardware proving he’s a champion. Thanks for the memories Chipper. Now please, tip your hat to the Nats as they sweep you in Atlanta and enjoy your next life.
Old Braves Fan
August 23rd, 2012
12:21 pm
Watching Medlen pitch last night reminded me a lot of Greg Maddux. I’m not saying that Medlen is in the same league with the hall-of-famer…..yet. Great mound presence, good changeup, and a breaking ball to left handers that left them standing open-mouthed. He had great control all night….one walk tells the tale. The Braves need a stopper and Medlen fits that name.
David Lee Roth
August 23rd, 2012
12:21 pm
Is it me or does Medlen look like Rob Snyder….Your thoughts please.
Long time fan
August 23rd, 2012
12:22 pm
Chipper is right about meddie. He is very much like Maddux. Kind of a Maddog-lite. When he came back at the end of last year there seemed to be some excitement because of what he could do before the injury. He was awesome in the pen and now one month as a starter and we have a very important guy. I was thrilled Uggla was not in the lineup last night. When he struck out last night, the game was the books. Wonder what happens tonight.
DCHomerInATL
August 23rd, 2012
12:24 pm
Hey LaBrenda, even a Nats’ fan thinks you sound fine.
Mikey
August 23rd, 2012
12:31 pm
Hudson/Medlen coming off surgery from last season, Sheets out of BB for 2 years, Minor first full season, Hanson with bad back, and Maholm a solid 2/3 lefty starter makes the 6 man rotation look very stategic based on what we have. Now if we could just score some runs for these guys.
One Big Dummy
August 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm
It better not be anybody BUT Medlen pitching that one-game wild card playoff. Chipper is right: Medlen IS Greg Maddux reincarnated!
The Truth....
August 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm
Even tho I’ve got my fork out…I’m still hoping I don’t have to use it. GO BRAVES! Its not too late to start another winning streak! If McCann and Uggla get going….Look out….I’ll throw the fork away!
Red&Black
August 23rd, 2012
12:43 pm
McCann probably isn’t going to “get it going” until he has off-season surgery. Too bad. He was a force there for a few weeks. Uggla? Who knows?
Mikey
August 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm
Not so fast on your nats. Strasburg, according to the Washington Post will miss his last 3 starts and NOT pitch in the playoffs. Zimmerman with his inability to throw a baseball, will cost the nats some more games.
Father A. Long
August 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm
If Fredi is such a genius, why did he pinch hit Uggla?
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Tumbledown
August 23rd, 2012
1:08 pm
It is my humble opinion that Fredi takes a lot of unnecessary criticism on these blogs. People who criticize seem to resort to conclusory statements without any detailed facts. I do not see anyone citing other managers and how their decisions are superior to Fredi’s decision-making.
Let’s look at the Detroit Tigers and LA Angels.. These teams are led by supposedly elite managers in Leyland and Scioscia. Yet, Detroit and LA are only 66-57 and 64-60, respectively. Should we really tear into Fredi despite the fact that his team is overachieving to some degree as compared to such talented teams in LA and Detroit?
Fredi obviously makes decisions that backfire. ALL managers do. Those who take Fredi to task work backwords from the result to the decision. If the players do not execute, people who despise Fredi will somehow condemn him even though the player did not carry out his duties. You condemn Fredi for not running more. Maybe he does institute the running game but the batters foul off pitches during a steal. Maybe Fredi’s hit and runs are stymied by the batter’s lack of execution. Maybe the players are unable to bunt and move baserunners along. I do not know. Until I see a more in depth analysis (including comparisons with other manager’s decisions) from some of the so-called expert bloggers, I cannot fairly judge whether Fredi is a good or bad manager.
Finally, it shows a complete lack of education and human decency to personally insult any manager or player. For example, while we can debate whether a particular decision by Fredi is wise or whether Uggla should be in the starting lineup, there is no need to personally attack either Fredi or Uggla. Such attack merely reflects on the insecurity of the attacker. Just my two or three cents.
Mikey
August 23rd, 2012
1:09 pm
Game was 5-1 when Uggla P/H. In other words it did not matter that he struck out again
Mikey
August 23rd, 2012
1:12 pm
Tumbledown: Roger That!
ijudgenot
August 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm
Surprise surprise Redi mixed it up last night and put Uggla, McCann and(not talked about much) Bourn on the be
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm
Medlen only has 87 innings so far this year. He’ll make 5 or 6 more starts and end the year right at about 130 innings. I’m just going with what the Braves have said all along and it looks like they’ll keep Medlen right at the target they set without having to pull a Strasburg shutdown.
Beg to differ, Wesley. The Braves have not said this all along, it’s the story they’ve concocted to try and dispel the criticism they’ve received for their indecisiveness. Medlen never had a chance to make the starting rotation out of ST simply because of his size, although he pitched much better than several who did make the rotation. When the wheels started coming off and JJ, Minor and Delgado weren’t getting it done, finally, they sent Medlen down to Gwinnett to be stretched out for starting. But, JJ whined and Minor had a good start and, suddenly Medlen was sent right back to the pen. This was not a plan, Wesley, it was poor, indecisive leadership and it continues with this 6-man rotation. The leadership is afraid to hurt someone’s feelings rather than make the tough decisions and the team has paid for it in losses.
Just a Question
August 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm
I don’t have time to read the entire blog. Could someone please tell me if it is or is not a baseball given/superstition/axiom that a manager does not change the lineup after a win? If the answer is “Yes” that would mean no Uggla, ccrrect OR would the 9th inning at bat justify his reinsertion into the lineup after 4 game losing streak is broken?
ijudgenot
August 23rd, 2012
1:29 pm
Sorry fat fingers hit submit key too soon. Fredi also rearranged the lineup to have Prado leading off and Johnson batting second. Uggla and McCann were obvious but resting Bourn against the lefthander was unexpected. Bourn needs a rest every now and then and adoring so when Braves are facing lefthander is a good move. Now Braves are facing a tough lefthander tonight. Will Fredi revert to (1) starting Uggla and McCann again and (2) will he start Bourn but let Prado lead off and let Bourn bat second or sixth? Last night’s moves were good moves that paid off but why does it take a prolonged losing streak to make Fredi do something reactionary? Why not be proactive and tell players you are putting them in the best position for them to succeed and not punishing them.
HOF 10
August 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm
The six-man rotation is good for this long stretch without a day off. You can rest members of the starting eight, but the guys in the rotation don’t get a breather if you stay in the 5-man. Even if it’s psychological, it keeps them on track. It seems to be working.
Remember when Medlen first came up and how funny he looked with that just-out-of-the-box capbill? Guys were saying, Dude, rough up your bill. He said, no, that’s the way he likes it. And that’s the way it has always been. He is just a terrific pitcher and he will be in the rotation for years to come if we can afford him.
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm
The six-man rotation is good for this long stretch without a day off. You can rest members of the starting eight, but the guys in the rotation don’t get a breather if you stay in the 5-man.
Yes, that’s why all the other teams do it, right? Unlike position players, pitchers pitch every five days. This is the standard throughout baseball and I wasn’t aware there was a problem with it. I’ll stick to my opinion that the six-man rotation is a failure of leadership to make the tough decisions.
Speedy
August 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm
Uggly’s swing is UGGLY! Go Bravos, Go Romney, Go baseball, chili dogs, apple pie & Chick fil a !!!!!
Tumbledown
August 23rd, 2012
1:48 pm
Brava – If all the other teams do it, it seems like the tough decision would be to use a six-man rotation. Look, people laughed at Larussa for hitting the pitcher eighth instead of ninth, when all other NL teams utilized the standard lineup. His teams have won two of the last six World Series.
I am not saying the decision to use a six-man rotation is wise. However, unconventional methods should not be summarily dismissed. The Braves’ pitching staff consists of several pitchers who are dinged up (Hanson, Hudson, Sheets) and pitchers with limited starts in the Major Leagues (Medlen and Minor). i am not sure any other team is comprised of a similar pitching staff. Maybe the six-man staff is the way to go now, especially in light of the Braves’ injuries and pitching collapse one year ago.
Again, the tough decision is to go with a six-man rotation when it against the norm. If the rotation fails, I believe Fredi and the coaches are open to criticism but it is more of the hindsight is 20-20 variety.
Carl Farvman
August 23rd, 2012
1:50 pm
“Wonder when people will learn the difference between “resign” and “re-sign”….”
Please folks………..I see this all the time.
Mikey
August 23rd, 2012
1:52 pm
The facts are when the Braves came out of S/T, Minor, Beachy & Delgado beat out Medlen for the 4/5 spots in the starting rotation. Coming off T/J surgery and minimizing his early innings made the Braves a stronger team. Look what has happened to Santana on the Mets…he is done for the season just like Stasburg will be after 2 more starts.
Joe Simpson
August 23rd, 2012
1:54 pm
Dan Uggla is great! He is super! Soon, he will start hitting homeruns and triples all over the place. His power hitting will overwhelm you. Just be patient. I know it is late August, and he hasn’t gone on a tear yet, but trust me on this. I can predict future baseball events. It will happen very, very soon. When he does, some team will pay dearly.
I also think Dan is a manly man.
Felix
August 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm
Come on Carl. You’re asking a lot. Many of these bloggers don’t know the difference between there and their.
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
2:07 pm
I suppose you could look at it that way, as well, Tumbledown, but given the Medlen fiasco, I’ll stick to my guns. The Braves would likely have, at least, a couple more wins if Medlen had been placed in the rotation when he returned from Gwinnett.
Honestly, though, I think the Braves failed by not putting him in the rotation when it became apparent that having both Minor and Delgado in the rotation was killing the team. That was a long time ago and I can’t help but wonder how much closer to the Nats we’d be, or if they’d even be looking up at us now. Strasburg has a 160-180 innings limit if reports are correct. Medlen, who is now at 87, will come nowhere near that this season, even if we make it to the post season. His talent was wasted because he was perceived by some brainiac to be too short to be an effective starter.
In all, the Braves are very slow to make sound decisions as evidenced by the Pastornicky/Simmons debate at SS. How many games did that cost us? The Uggla/McCann thing that’s going on now, why does it take so long to react when the problem is so evident game after game? Again, they are afraid to hurt someone’s feelings rather than help the team win by making the tough decisions.
Carl Farvman
August 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm
Larry: Agreed, but then you have to consider that the vast majority of baseball players–and managers for that matter–are rednecks or from impoverished countries thus most barely finished high school.
Yes, Larry is sometimes pompous, but he is correct about MLBs special distinction of being the least educated of all professional sports. Tony Larussa, attorney, did more with less for 20 years and out-manuevered other bubba managers his entire career. There’s a good reason I don’t listen to baseball player interviews and never read the quotes after games. They are usually all extremely painful to endure. Just listen next time to Chipper or Fredi and try to tell me and Larry that we’re wrong!
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
2:12 pm
The facts are when the Braves came out of S/T, Minor, Beachy & Delgado beat out Medlen for the 4/5 spots in the starting rotation.
The facts are, the Braves decided to place him in the bullpen, despite the fact that he outpitched all those you listed during ST. They didn’t beat him out. Let’s not skew the facts.
steve
August 23rd, 2012
2:19 pm
I have been telling people that Medlen could be the next Maddox but he has a long way to go to reach Gregs win totals, Medlen is a great fielder like Greg, he moves the ball aroung like Greg, he s fearless like Greg, he holds runners on first better then Greg, why has it aken so long to put one of our best pitchers in the rotation? Plain and simple our manager does not recognize talent when it is right in front of his face , had Medlen been put in the rotation a month sooner we more then likely have 4 more wins which would put us only 2 games out.
We need a manager that understands the hit and run concept of baseball especially when we struggle to score runs because many of our hitters are in a slump, Prado and Chipper would be great hit and run type hitters because they rarely strike out, no reason for them to be hitting into double plays period.
Tumbledown
August 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
Brava – I think you might be using a little 20/20 hindsight analysis. What if the Braves had yanked Smoltz in 1991 after his 2-12 start? He was “killing the team” with that start, but the Braves stuck with him and benefitted greatly. Of course, the Braves back then could afford to have a long leash as they had no real history of competing for the playoffs.
I think there is some benefit to the team by giving players a truly fair shot to succeed. We know now that Simmons was the real deal over Pastornicky. We also know that Medlen is an upgrade over most if not all the Braves’ pitchers who have started this year. But, by giving the players a long leash, all the players have more confidence that they can work themselves into a successful position. A quick hook might leave the team a little gun shy and fearful.
The Braves are 71-53 now. They are in the running for a playoff birth. All the decisions made have not been correct. But no team around the major leagues has made all the correct decisions. The Nats may make a fatal decision with Strasburg with regard to their WS hopes. The Rangers probably should not have signed Oswalt (or maybe it will pay off in the end). Let’s see where the Braves end up before labeling the Braves’ management a failure.
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
2:30 pm
Carl, no offense intended, but this is a baseball blog, not an English class. If you spend enough time here, you’ll learn to ignore the numerous grammatical faux pas.
Red&Black
August 23rd, 2012
2:37 pm
Brava, I attended the Brave’s Caravan before the season started and they were already saying that Medlen would be an alternate starter early on in order to keep his innings down this year. I didn’t hear the 130 innings number until later, but the number has been bounced around all summer.
defensive indifference
August 23rd, 2012
2:44 pm
I like Medlen to start a one-game do-or-die wildcard game, home or away. He is a gamer.
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
2:45 pm
Tumbledown, no, I’m not using hindsight at all. It was very clear, early on, that Pastornicky was a defensive liability and Simmons, who had wowed during ST, was tearing it up at AA. I do remember Simmons being injured at the end of ST, so I’m not faulting the Braves for their initial choice, just that it took so long to make the move.
As for Medlen, I see no excuses after it became clear that having two prospects in the rotation wasn’t a very good idea (should have never happened to begin with). I agree with you about Smoltz, but he was one black hole in the rotation, not two, and Minor has shown a heck of a lot of improvement while Delgado still has some work to do. I’m just saying, Wren made it clear when he traded away Tim Collins, who had a wicked fastball, without even giving him a look, that he wasn’t very fond of diminutive pitchers. I think that’s been the true reason for keeping Medlen in the pen, despite the issues the team had with pitching all season.
I have not labeled the Braves management a failure and don’t how you’ve come to that conclusion from anything I’ve written. This is a very good team, but I think it could have a better record if the leadership was not so indecisive when it comes to player management.
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
2:56 pm
Red&Black, Didn’t know that, but I feel that’s a decison they should have made AFTER they evaluated the talent on hand. I didn’t hear the 130 innings until last week and I keep up with the team every day. All of a sudden, the mishandling of Medlen became a plan they’d had all along. Hey, if you buy that, I’m not going to argue, I just don’t.
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
3:04 pm
Okay, fellow Braves fans, I’ll stop pining for what might have been. It is what it is and we have to get to the WS.
Go Braves!
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Carl Farvman
August 23rd, 2012
3:07 pm
“Carl, no offense intended, but this is a baseball blog……..”
Yeah,I know. But it gets confusing when every 4th post mentions that Bourn should be resigned. So, I take it literally and wonder why such a young player with so much left to offer should quit. It’s like when someone [most people] say “could care less” and don’t have a clue that they’re saying the exact opposite of what they meant to say. But I digress……………………..
Tumbledown
August 23rd, 2012
3:07 pm
I took the following statements made by you as indicating you may have labeled the Braves management a failure:
(1) I’ll stick to my opinion that the six-man rotation is a failure of leadership to make the tough decisions.
(2) Honestly, though, I think the Braves failed by not putting him in the rotation when it became apparent that having both Minor and Delgado in the rotation was killing the team.
I was perhaps a little too hasty with my characterization even though you referenced “failed” and “failure” when talking about management decisions. Nevertheless, your overall position seems very reasonable, and I appreciate how you present your argument. I am probably a little more deferential to the Braves management decisions on Medlen and the shortstop debate. I do recognize that their decision-making is not perfect. As much as we can reasonably fault them for waiting too long on Medlen and not taking an early shot with Simmons, management must deserve some praise for taking a risk on Sheets and bringing in Maholm. Sheets has certainly been worth a couple of extra wins. By contrast, I don’t think possible pickups like Greinke and Dempster have panned out as hoped for their new teams.
Of course, I recognize that my praise for Braves’ management also relies on 20/20 hindsight. I guess my point is that we can all be a little too critical on management decisions. Management has to make its decisions using all the info available to them. i assume management has more info available than we do. That is why I give a little more deference and try to recognize the influence of 20/20 hindsight. Is my position reasonable?
Tumbledown
August 23rd, 2012
3:08 pm
Okay, fellow Braves fans, I’ll stop pining for what might have been. It is what it is and we have to get to the WS.
Go Braves!
I agree!!
bfred
August 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm
HOF 10 – in fairness, Medlen does still need to break that bill in a little. Otherwise he may as well leave the tags on it.
Mikey
August 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm
Minor did and they were being cautious with Medlen
Lobosolo
August 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm
Larry, are you going to change names and posts until you reach the 30th different one…. Thinly veiled attempt… it’s very easy to see the writing style… I think it’s called a full-blown personality disorder… Funny how you can call me a bully ( and you can rest assured that I don’t need multiple names to get my point across) while your posts start out and end with name-calling to anyone who is not cut from the 20/20, armchair/ baseball/softball legend mode…. even stealing phil’s moniker and thinking you’re fooling folks… Whew, Limpule, it must be getting hot in there..
Whatever case you make, or whatever name you try to delude folks with, everyone knows the score with you…
Here are the facts, for all of your disordered personalities: Have each one of them read so you might find a semblance of sanity… Right now the Braves are six back in their division… they would be leading half of all divisions in baseball, while being one game and one and a half games out in the other two… that does not translate into the bad team and bad management… Top five out of 30… I think we could all say, if up were down and black were white, you wouldn’t be in that place as a manager, given your frighteningly apparent lack of understanding of the game…
For the rest of you Limpone wanna-bes…. Do you really think you can make all these assumptions given the fact that not a one of you is privy to any more knowledge about what goes on in the front office or clubhouse other than what you read on blogs and see from your perch on some worn out couch? I mean, REALLY??? “Your” team, the one you have to cry about with every loss, is poised in a pretty good spot for the post season… It is baffling and hilarious and at the same time… Try to enjoy it, if you can… be a real fan… you’ll be able to LEGITIMATELY cheer for them if they win the whole thing…
birdo
August 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm
Anyone else notice that Uggla was nonchalant in his pinch hit role last night. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe that is his normal approach. This guy doesn’t have a clue at the plate. He is worse than any pitcher at the plate. Could we get Hudson to hit for him? This dude has some real problem. I don’t see him every hitting again. I really like him and was of the thankful we got him from the Marlins. Can he pitch?
Don Gurian
August 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm
While you guys are busy insulting eah other, it will be interesting to note what lineup FG trots out tonight; my money says he puts Uggla and McCann right back in there, learning NOTHING from yesterday!
McCann is a real shame, because his injury should relegate him to backup catcher. Ross is plenty good enogh to play every day.
Uggla, on the other hand, should be put out to pasture!
Let the Rev rotate if nec. with Prado at second, and use Johnson in left in that rotation.
BTW, when Simmons comes back, is there any real reason that Janish could not move to second? I have a strong feeling that he could play there with little or no problem.
birdo
August 23rd, 2012
4:47 pm
Does Braves brain trust know how to evaluate talent? How does a guy like Medlen pass thru the Braves brain trust (Management) . Medlen had to beg for a chance to be a starter. The kid can pitch. How come the other starters keep making mistakes in critical situations and later say , he hit my mistake. This is not the first game out of spring training. Medlen shows me that he has the guts to be a starter. Yea, he made a few mistakes, but balls were not in the barrel of the bat of zone.
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm
I love the posters who add nothing to this blog but simply come on here to denigrate others, the know-it-alls who are always telling others they don’t understand the game. I’m glad I don’t have to do that to affirm my sense of self-worth. It must really suck to be so miserable.
Brava
August 23rd, 2012
6:34 pm
Tumbledown, I enjoyed our little chat. It’s rare to be able to hold a civil debate around here and not have it descend into a personal attack. Kudos.
blackdog
August 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
Much better line-uo tonight
Amber Girl
August 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm
Hello everyone DUMB Amber is here.
Steve
August 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm
Uggla’s back!
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