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Astral
August 19th, 2012
12:15 pm
I’m sorry. I misread your post. For some reason I was thinking that the second figure was a 400 too.
Astral
August 19th, 2012
12:17 pm
Dunn could hit 600 and never see the Hall though
jeffrey d
August 19th, 2012
12:17 pm
It looks like the only inactive 500+ HR guys not in the Hall are
Bonds, Griffey, Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Thomas, and Sheffield.
And Bonds, Griffey, Sosa, Thomas, and Sheffield aren’t eligible yet.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:18 pm
KINGMAN, HOWDY DOODY?
Didn’t ypu realize that there’s a minimum HR total necessary for consideration into the HOF set at 463?
jeffrey d
August 19th, 2012
12:18 pm
Dunn could hit 600 and never see the Hall though
That’s what I was wondering. Barring injury or turning into Anduw, he’ll get 500 HR. There hasn’t been a person not associated with steroids who’s hit over 500 and not gotten in. But my gosh, is he awful at a lot of things besides hitting HR and walking
Fred McGriff
August 19th, 2012
12:19 pm
Didn’t ypu realize that there’s a minimum HR total necessary for consideration into the HOF set at 463?
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:21 pm
And thar CHIPPER just met that requirement before his ‘bobble-head’ moment?
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:21 pm
Martin might be a good player, but he needs to have his own position to play every day by himself…. Juan just needs to sit on the bench, start every week or so, and PH occasionally. If he wants to start, trade him somewhere that’ll take him.
Astral
August 19th, 2012
12:22 pm
If Crime Dog had those numbers as anything but a first baseman, he would have a good shot at the hall. Unfortunately
DiamondbackMac
August 19th, 2012
12:22 pm
Good morning everyone.
I see that next year’s lineup is being decided today. I bet these discussions provide lots of laughs for the players and front office. I know that I can never read the blog while drinking coffee in the morning. I end up spewing the coffee all over my monitor every time I laugh.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:24 pm
And that ‘Crime-dog’ just came up seven short.
Well, in his case the mimimum is a moving target.
Trey
August 19th, 2012
12:24 pm
Most of those players were juiced, though.
Fred McGriff
August 19th, 2012
12:24 pm
That was my point
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
12:25 pm
I’m not Martin, but I’d love to just get to the ballpark knowing I’m the Braves third baseman….
I hope Wren gives him the opportunity to do that with a long term contract this offseason. Unless of course we get Headley, then Martin could be back in LF.
nolie
August 19th, 2012
12:26 pm
They will probably not get both a starting center fielder and a starting left fielder this winter, so as much as it pains me I think there is a good chance that Prado will be back in left and Francisco will start at third
Trey
August 19th, 2012
12:26 pm
McGriff should have stayed in a little bit longer. He could have hit those seven.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:26 pm
DiamondbackMac
August 19th, 2012
12:22 pm
“……Good morning everyone. I see that next year’s lineup is being decided today…..”
And aren’t we pleased. Good afternoon D-BACK MAC
Lew
August 19th, 2012
12:28 pm
Astral – Just like I said a little while ago – You need a RH hitting, part time LFer to play LF when Prado is at third against LHP. When a RHP starts, Martin plays LF and Francisco plays third. Quite simple actually and very likely quite effective – and the only thing Wren would need to do is to sign Reed Johnson (or someone similar).
That way, Prado plays full time (albeit at two positions) and Francisco platoons at third with him and Johnson platoons in LF with Martin.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:28 pm
Fred McGriff
August 19th, 2012
12:24 pm
“…..That was my point…..”
Shouldn’t you have spelled the last word in your post with a “j”?
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:28 pm
so as much as it pains me I think there is a good chance that Prado will be back in left and Francisco will start at third
Yikes!!! That better only happen if Greinke is on our roster…
nolie
August 19th, 2012
12:28 pm
Not sure if 7 would have been a guarantee or not. IMO it shouldn’t be anyway. If he is not a HOFer at 493 around what Gehrig got IIRC, then I don’t think he is at 500 either
Bama Braves
August 19th, 2012
12:29 pm
More Bashing Juan I See.
Lew
August 19th, 2012
12:30 pm
Posters and their obsessions -
Robert – Bobby Cox
Don – Roger McDowell
George and Ace – Fredi Gonzalez
and the newest addition to the list
Only BravesFan – Juan Francisco
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:31 pm
Oh, and while we’re platooning Prado/Juan let’s do the same with Uggla… he struggles against lefties so get Pastornicky or Janish to play 2nd when a lefty starts
nolie
August 19th, 2012
12:31 pm
it will depend on what the do at center I guess TOBF and I’m not sure they will spring for two starters
Lew, that seems like a complicated approach to me
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
12:32 pm
If Bourn is re-signed, I think we may be looking at Juan Francisco at 3B – at least in a part time role.
Or we could increase payroll up to 100-105. That’s the only way I see us signing Bourn.
nolie
August 19th, 2012
12:33 pm
I’m obsessed with OBP and regression to the mean, I admit it
jeffrey d
August 19th, 2012
12:34 pm
You forgot some
McFann – McCann
Soph – Martin
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:34 pm
Bama Braves
August 19th, 2012
12:29 pm
“….More Bashing Juan I See…..”
Yeah well he’s brought it on himself.
Hitting with authority and consistancy as a BRAVE. Accepting being a part-time, bench player. Willing to take batting instruction from WALKER et.al, Losing weight and shaping up. Stating he intends to continue improving in the winter leagues. Yeah, he brought all this bashing on himself. Reminds of ‘LOAF’ and the ‘MELK-DUD.” doesn’t he?
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 19th, 2012
12:34 pm
Trey McFann will be happy to see McCann paying today, but she’ll be quite [peeved] seeing him bat 7.
Eh, he’s batted 7th a fair amount this year. Only reason to still be peeved about it is that means his numbers are still crummy…
Anyway, after all that hullabaloo yesterday, it sure would be nice if he got a hit or two with RISP/2 outs…
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:35 pm
I’d prefer you change Juan to Greinke, Lew… I’m not obsessed with bashing on Juan, I just don’t see why he should start at 3B for the Braves. Dude can’t hit lefties and had work ethic issues… sounds like Melky. Just hope Juan can turn it around the right way.
Lew
August 19th, 2012
12:35 pm
Efrim – That would be great, but do you really think we’ll increase payroll or start Juan?
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
12:36 pm
I like watching the little league World Series, but seeing 13 year old kids throwing these breaking balls….. Yikes.
O.B. Session
August 19th, 2012
12:37 pm
I’m obsessed with obsessions…
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 19th, 2012
12:38 pm
Also, sorry I was such a maniac yesterday—shouldn’t have gotten so freakishly worked up…
nolie
August 19th, 2012
12:38 pm
well if they want to go Lew’s route all they need to do is re-sign Johnson
nolie
August 19th, 2012
12:39 pm
Sign Greinke
re-sign Bourn
trade for Headley
there I’ve solved it all
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:40 pm
McFanniac!
I like watching the little league World Series, but seeing 13 year old kids throwing these breaking balls….. Yikes.
What? I was throwing curveballs and sliders at that time…. still have my UCL
(I have stopped pitching since, however)
kenhotlanta
August 19th, 2012
12:40 pm
RIP….. Scott McKenzie, writer and singer of the Hippie anthem “San Francisco”. BAS and Dentz should be in mourning today and be sure to wear some flowers in your hair as a tribute.
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
12:40 pm
That would be great, but do you really think we’ll increase payroll or start Juan?
Neither. I think Bourn leaves and we move Prado to 3rd base permanently while looking for a LF and CF via free agency or trade.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:40 pm
O.B. Session
August 19th, 2012
12:37 pm
“…..I’m obsessed with obsessions…..”
“Now that’s more to my liking” ‘Rooster’ COGBURN – TRUE GRIT
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:41 pm
there I’ve solved it all
All for the low low price of a 96mil payroll!
Trey
August 19th, 2012
12:41 pm
McFann, I almost said peeved, since I know that is your word of choice! Anyway, maybe hitting in the lower part of the order will allow him to see some more pitches than can raise his BA, unless they walk him to face Janish, but hey, his OBP will raise!
nolie
August 19th, 2012
12:41 pm
way more optimistic than I am Efrim
Trey
August 19th, 2012
12:43 pm
TOBF, throw some screwballs. Now that’ll screw up your arm.
VaBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:43 pm
39 million off books before ARB raises.
Non-Tender Jurrjens, removes 5.5 million
Trade EOF removes 2.5 million (Set too make around 4 million in 13′ to much for Braves)
47 million now.
Prado ARB 3 expected to get around 2.5 million raise. (Or Extension)
Estimated Salaries
Hanson 2.5-3.5 mil
Heyward 2.25-3 mil
Medlen 1-1.75 mil
Venters 1.25-1.75 mil
CMart 750k-1 mil
So a estimated total amount of 12-14 million. Braves will roughly have around 30 million depending on EOF, and the exact upcoming salaries.
You really think Wren is gonna try and resign Reed Johnson and David Ross which would cost around 4 million total. So around 25 million give er take to to figure our LF or 3B and CF, possibly SP help.
Lew
August 19th, 2012
12:44 pm
Yeah, you are obsessed with Juan AND Grienke. You’ve totally lost perspective.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:44 pm
http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/files/2012/08/Phillies+Braves+Baseball.JP.JPG
Lew
August 19th, 2012
12:45 pm
jeffrey d- Totally different type of obsession.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
TOBF McFanniac!
That’s me!…
Trey—
Haha! That’s OK…
Hope you’re right about that spot in the order—we shall see! He’s started six games there (came in for Ross in that spot twice), and only has a .136 AVG, but the shoulder thing may have screwed that up…
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
If I were McFANN I’d be peeved over his shoulder problem and not wanting to fix it until the season is done.
But of course, I’m not McFANN.
Maybe she wants to see him struggle on. Goodness knows we need him.
J.C. BOSCAN is certainly not the answer. Nor BETHANCOURT, who is likely out for the rest of the season. MATT KENNELLY is not ready either.
One-Eyed Mac
August 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
Wow, that Melky story is crazy….glad he got busted and shown for what he really is. If I were his agents, I would be pissed! It also tells me that between this and the Braun defense that players (or at least a good number of them) are still juicing and are committed to finding new ways to beat the system rather than just stopping and playing clean.
jeffrey d
August 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
Wouldn’t a McFanniac be obsessed with McFann?
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
12:47 pm
well if they want to go Lew’s route all they need to do is re-sign Johnson
Yeah, I think I did a payroll projection that had us resigning Bourn and just playing Juan at 3rd. If they choose to go this route, then we have to get a really good 4th outfielder.
VaBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:49 pm
Efrim
my 12:43 post is a rough breakdown, tho I’m sure you would be better at estimating the salaries of our ARB guys.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:49 pm
BILLY BEST is the best! Thanx again BB.
Lew
August 19th, 2012
12:50 pm
nolie – It’s not MY route. I’ve said all along that I want David Wright at third and Martin in Left, but I realize that’s totally unrealistc.
However, the way I mentioned actually makes sense with the players we already have (minus Johnson or whoever) and would actually be something Wren would do. It would aslo free up almost all the miney for CF, bench, bullpen (like re-signing O’Flaherty – which they should do) and locking up arb eligible players.
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
12:50 pm
way more optimistic than I am Efrim
They have more than 20 million to spend. I don’t think they can fill LF, CF, SP, and reshape the bench – but two of the three plus figuring the bench out should be a possibility.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:50 pm
98
Trey
August 19th, 2012
12:51 pm
McFann, I don’t know how much it will really improve, but if it does, then they’ll need to keep him there, as that is where he will hit best.
Trey
August 19th, 2012
12:52 pm
jeffrey, we had a McFanniac on here, before.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:52 pm
That WURLITZER is lookin’ mighty good up here on my wall next to the oil of my three daughters. Sweet as Maple Syrup.
Thanx LEW!
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:53 pm
89
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
12:53 pm
Heyward at .265/.346/.454 in 48 games, 211 plate appearances since moving up in the order on June 26th vs. Arizona.
jeffrey d
August 19th, 2012
12:55 pm
15?
VaBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:55 pm
We’ll have enough money to resign Bourn, Ross, and Johnson. That would likely be it tho expect for very minor cheap moves. We also know Wren likes to have some money for mid-season moves as well.
Lew
August 19th, 2012
12:56 pm
Efrim -= Way more optimistic than me, too. I think they’ll get ONE really good outfielder – not seeing them come up with two. They’ll definitely throw Francisco into the mix and move Martin around where needed.
Fine with me as long as they get a GOOD outiielder and Martin gets to play full time. PLatoons have worked great in the past and should this time, too. Platooning will also save a bundle of bucks.
Time to head yout y’all – enjoy the game and hopefully your Sunday is as beautiful out as ours is in Vermont. Have a great one.
nolie
August 19th, 2012
12:56 pm
we may have the money, but I doubt that we re-sign Bourn
Lew
August 19th, 2012
12:57 pm
richbrave – Really glad you’re enjoying it.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 19th, 2012
12:57 pm
jeffrey d Wouldn’t a McFanniac be obsessed with McFann?
Eesh…that’d be scary…
Trey—
Ha! Nah, we all know #5 is where it’s at!…
Trey
August 19th, 2012
12:58 pm
I’d say bat him #9, McFann.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
12:58 pm
One-Ryed Mac:
i wonder if player agents have a clause in their contracts with the individual players stating that there is no recission of commissions due and payable because of personal acts which impinge on the total compensation package? Ya’ know?
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
12:59 pm
Wouldn’t a McFanniac be obsessed with McFann?
I did that since she said she was a maniac yesterday, hence she was a McFanniac.
ncbravesfan90
August 19th, 2012
12:59 pm
“we may have the money, but I doubt that we re-sign Bourn”
That don’t make much sense to me. We finally have an impact leadoff hitter with speed that we have not had since the Furcal days and now we actually have a great deal of money to spend in the FA pool and we won’t re-sign. If we don’t resign Bourn it will not be because Wren didn’t try, he will put all his chips into the Bourn re-signing.
nolie
August 19th, 2012
1:00 pm
Billingsley and no Chipper. onea them games that sounds tuff to win. we’ll see….
O.B. Session
August 19th, 2012
1:01 pm
VBF is obsessed with the payroll.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
1:01 pm
Bat Mac 10th!
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 19th, 2012
1:02 pm
richbrave—
I don’t really know what kind of opinion to have—never been in this situation before…
I DON’T want to see him continue to struggle. If they determined that having surgery now would be the best thing for his future, I’d be bummed out, but ya know, wouldn’t be the end of the world…
I just want to see him back to hitting like BMac.
nolie
August 19th, 2012
1:02 pm
doesn’t make any sense to me to pay him what he will likely bring as a mid-level salary team. no matter how good he is, he is still only worth so much of our payroll dollars
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
1:02 pm
nolie
August 19th, 2012
1:00 pm
:….Billingsley and no Chipper. onea them games that sounds tuff to win. we’ll see….:
Sez you! We’ve got JUAN!
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 19th, 2012
1:03 pm
Trey—
Now that’s going to far!…
George
August 19th, 2012
1:03 pm
Good day all
Can;t win them all, but the writeing seems to be on the wall. When the few times NATS we lose so it looks like we go to that silly play-in game insteat of winning WC outright and FREDI will find a way to lose that game.
ncbravesfan90
August 19th, 2012
1:04 pm
“doesn’t make any sense to me to pay him what he will likely bring as a mid-level salary team. no matter how good he is, he is still only worth so much of our payroll dollars”
Probably a good reason we won’t win a World Championship anytime soon, won’t spend the $$$$$$
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
1:05 pm
Way more optimistic than me, too. I think they’ll get ONE really good outfielder – not seeing them come up with two.
I’d be very disappointed if we just brought in one outfielder and ignored the the other outfield spot and the starting rotation. That’d be annoying.
VaBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
Kinda hard to have an opinion on what the Braves might do without knowing the payroll situation. Options, ARB raises, and how the team is known to operate.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
88
nolie
August 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
there is no winning the WC outright anymore George.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
23
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
1:07 pm
SKIDOO
Efrim
August 19th, 2012
1:07 pm
Aside from Bourn signing for around 12 million a year, I don’t see why it would make sense for the Braves to bring him back. Why in the world would a team with a 90 million dollar payroll give Bourn five years and 80 million. That doesn’t make any sense and I’d question Wren big time if that happened.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
1:07 pm
!!!!
Trey
August 19th, 2012
1:07 pm
jeffrey d
August 19th, 2012
1:08 pm
FREDI will find a way to lose that game.
Yeah, we get it, George. Heard you the first thousand times.
nolie
August 19th, 2012
1:08 pm
I’d go 5/75 tops
Sopheee
August 19th, 2012
1:08 pm
My Melky club was the best idea ever.
VaBravesFan
August 19th, 2012
1:08 pm
In last week’s column, Cafardo wrote that Braves officials thought Michael Bourn would not re-sign when he becomes a free agent due to a less-than-stellar track record with Scott Boras clients. However, Boras told Cafardo that he has had an excellent relationship with General Manager Frank Wren and the club as a whole. The agent says he is not ruling out Atlanta at all and added that Bourn enjoys playing there.
nolie
August 19th, 2012
1:09 pm
you been busy lately Jeffrey?
Trey
August 19th, 2012
1:09 pm
I’m probably the only one who doesn’t understand why MLB brought in the one game WC playoff.
richbrave
August 19th, 2012
1:09 pm
“…….That doesn’t make any sense and I’d question Wren big time if that happened……” EFRIM
Heh! Don’t hold your breath on getting through to FW one way or the other!
George
August 19th, 2012
1:10 pm
nolie
August 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
there is no winning the WC outright anymore George.
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Yup NOLIE i know, thats why I call it a play-in game to get to WC instead of calling it a WC game.