5:43 pm August 18, 2012, by David O'Brien
August 18th, 201211:26 pm
Ace….did you know: People are strange when you’re a stranger—–you might be thrown into The Doors!
August 18th, 201211:27 pm
Alrighty then, DOB. Thanks for the quottage. Always enjoy it. But the guys are posting sensuous song lyrics to each other now… so think I’ll call it a night.
A win tomorrow and we win the series against a 1st place team. A loss and… well, life goes on.
August 18th, 201211:30 pm
the time to hesitate is through, no time to wallow in the mire.
August 18th, 201211:32 pm
Thanks DOB for the quotes
August 18th, 201211:35 pm
Updated GAME STORY with quotes
Yes….Let’s get Physical….physical….let me feel your body flow….and these silly posts make me want to go. Can’t rub elbows with some; so I shall go “savage” some fried chicken….my goal before bed is to be ‘totally happy.’ Nighty nite.
August 18th, 201211:36 pm
cheeseburger in paradise would be nice right now.
August 18th, 201211:40 pm
“I’d rather hit a dinger than be a singer!”
August 18th, 201211:41 pm
Not playin tmrw. Knees are killing me! Bmac will be back though.
Retweeted by Mark Bowman
To recap – I like Capt Mudd very much – there was no malice intended in what I wrote 2 nights ago – I was surprised to discover something I did not know, that the derivation of schneid was baseball-related – that was the only reason I posted that, not in a corrective effort…
August 18th, 201211:42 pm
Chipper just tweeted that he’s not playing tomorrow, said his knees are killing him.
Fredi G. likes to say Damn and Hell alot
August 18th, 201211:44 pm
I am just about civil righted out at this point……
August 18th, 201211:46 pm
For what it’s worth, VJ, I read what you said about “schneid” and knew just why you posted it. I’m find it hard to believe anyone would take offense over it. Especially someone that struck me as being intelligent.
August 18th, 201211:48 pm
Ben Sheets cap looked like he took it out of the washing machine before the game and he is wearing those old loose sleeves like pitchers wore in the 1980s…….
August 19th, 201212:16 am
…..Our everyday lives/oh how unjust at times….the inequitable and deceptive blends, hard and understandably taxing. Perhaps I just misunderstood your intent VJ regarding the corrective nature of your post…in fact I even stated the I thought you meant well. However, and, at the same time I can see that you would feel attacked (relative to blog mannerisms) and, for that I do apologize–I am not perfect by any stretch and have a history of being overly aggressive in both my professional and private lives….so therefore I say please forget the post thereof and consider yourself well-liked too.
Again, sorry if all this misunderstanding of intent has caused you unhappiness in any fashion—please continue to be the well-informed thought provoking blogger you are.
The A Bomb
August 19th, 201212:20 am
Wonder if Chipper will miss Monday as well, knowing what the altitude does to them sometimes.
August 19th, 201212:41 am
Wow – Angels led the Rays 8-0 – now trail, 10-8…
August 19th, 201212:50 am
C J Wilson gives up 7 ER in 4 2/3 IP…if I remember correctly, he might be making a dollar or two more than Sheets…
August 19th, 201212:54 am
Dang that is one poor outing… anything to keep Zack from staying with Anaheim
I love your sarcasm VJ… much better than mine.
August 19th, 201212:55 am
Astros fire their manager Brad Mills…. not like it’s his fault they sukk
August 19th, 20121:06 am
Astros fire their manager Brad Mills…. not like it’s his fault they sukk — TOBF
Before the season started, the Astros’ upper management promised the fans that they’d have 40 wins before August 20.
August 19th, 20121:10 am
Bobby: Well that should still be on management… I mean look at what they’ve given him for a team. Outside of Altuve, J.D. Martinez, and a few other pieces (Maxwell) he has a AA roster… Schafer can’t hit, he’s lost his slugging 1B, he’s lost his closer, one of his SP, and a 3B. His catcher isn’t great, his OF has been mixed and matched all year, and the bullpen is full of minor league arms trying to pitch in the majors. He might not be a great manager, but it’s awfully tough when you’re handed that sorry excuse for a roster.
August 19th, 20121:12 am
Sigh… I think I’m calling it a night.
August 19th, 20121:15 am
He has to manage what he is given to work with. Of course, he will look like a bum, if his players are sh*t.
TOBF – I think you totally missed Bobby’s sarcasm…
August 19th, 20121:20 am
Yeah, I think I did… Sorry Bobby
I’m tired…. I’m off to bed. Night all.
August 19th, 20121:25 am
Shutting down – heading home from a late Saturday workday…
pretty obvious who they should sign long term. bourn.
all say what about bourns legs. he aint otis nixon.
the other option is a a guy that has 12 doubles.
August 19th, 20121:30 am
bourn has almost as many triples as macc has doubles.
August 19th, 20121:56 am
so you paying for the 100 mil it might cost to sign Bourn Uga?
we have a .732 .ops barely in the top half.
August 19th, 20121:59 am
nolie you hate bourm. always have. you hate the fact he replaced nate who you loved.
August 19th, 20122:06 am
I hate Bourn? Really? hmmm
so you paying the 100 mil?
August 19th, 20122:07 am
but we have the third highest OBP and the second most runs scored so who gives a crap what out OPS is?
August 19th, 20122:11 am
you loved glaus to.
bourn, should be resigned, him and prado at the top of the order is why we score runs.
Lol, I love the uga-brave and nolie comments.
August 19th, 20122:12 am
They always crack me up.
Uga you have a funny way or remembering things. I never “loved” Glaus, I simply bet that you were wrong when you claimed he would be cut b4 Memorial Day. There is a difference between being realistically supportive of a Braves player and loving him
August 19th, 20122:14 am
bourn, aint otis nixon. he aint a hitter that bangs it in the ground and runs it out.
he is a gap to gap hitter,
his talent is not only in his legs.
he his a pretty damn good hitter.
I love Chipper. I love Mac. I love Prado. I might could fall in love with Heyward and Freeman. That’s who I love,
August 19th, 20122:17 am
he has a career OPS+ of 92, well under average.and while he brings several other assets to the table he is not a career “good hitter” and with his past there is almost no reason to expect that he will continue at his present level for 5 to 7 more years
August 19th, 20122:20 am
so you dont like bourn? you just pretty much said it.
i like freeman to, but his penchant for swinging at anything close early in the count will always preclude him from being a great hitter.
August 19th, 20122:23 am
uga, I don’t think that’s what he said or meant. He just has reason to believe that Bourn may not be worth what he and Boras are going to ask for him in the long run.
August 19th, 20122:26 am
If they can sign him for 5/75 I say go for it. much higher than that, and I think it will likely take more than that, I say pass.
August 19th, 20122:29 am
nolie, it’s Boras we’re dealing with. He’s as slick as a used car saleman, we know exactly how he is. That is the same guy who conned TX into overpaying for Alex Rodriguez. Thank goodness we have a frugal owner, though.
see this is where we will disagree. noting wrong with that.
i see a guy that is getting better at 29.
i see a really good gap hitter. not a totally leg guy.
and for my money he plays every day.
no oblique. no flu. no i cant see. no shoulder subu whatever.
he plays everyday. and if you want to pay someone plus big money, he should play eveyday.
much like uggla.
August 19th, 20122:30 am
no that is not what I said Uga. I said I do not think he will play at the current level through a long expensive contract. I also said he has not really been a “pretty damn good” hitter but brings other things to the table. none of that means that I hate him. he has been great this season
August 19th, 20122:31 am
trey, his WAR his right there with mike trout.
August 19th, 20122:33 am
maybe so Uga, but that does not make him worth what some wealthy team will likely offer him. he is in a great spot to cash in and has the agent who does it the best and I see no reason that he would give us a meaningful discount though he might stay if a tie occured
August 19th, 20122:34 am
anyway I’m off buddy. take care. talk later
August 19th, 20122:35 am
uga, he has good stats, but with Boras, we know he is going to try and rob us blind. The stats will mean nothing if we are paying 100MM a year for a disabled guy sitting on the bench.
so why do you think he will not play well through his hopeful contract?
that is a roll of the die with anyone you might sign.
August 19th, 20122:38 am
I’m not saying he won’t, but you have to be careful.
August 19th, 20122:39 am
I want the Braves to keep Bourn, but I don’t want them to pay 100MM a year.
August 19th, 20122:47 am
trey, just think some of you discount how much to this team he means.
August 19th, 20122:48 am
check out the numbers. when he scores we win.
August 19th, 20122:50 am
I think that Bourn has been great this season, but I don’t think he will ever have a year that would be worth what he will get in the future, to a middle salary team like the Braves.
You are talking about almost 20% of the payroll to a leadoff hitter with a below average batting history.
Look how terrible it worked out with Crawford who had a much better previous career than Bourn has had.
15 or 16 million for 5 years is tops IMO, and I think that most here think that too.
I hope he will take that, but I too doubt that he will.
August 19th, 20122:52 am
Disappointing about Sheets the last several games. I hope he can bounce back
August 19th, 20122:56 am
Bottom line is Bourn is a real good player,but just that,a perenial 280’s hitter with good D and a lot of stolen bases.I don’t know what the K record for lead off hitters is, but he has to be near it.To me he is worth around 8 to 9 a year for 3 years.I know he will get more because of the market.
August 19th, 20122:58 am
yes, he might even get twice that John. too much
August 19th, 20123:01 am
And its a shame,cause the Braves are a perfect fit for him.
August 19th, 20123:02 am
Yes. I do not want to see him go, so I’m just hoping that he will not be as expensive as most think.
August 19th, 20123:04 am
sneaky, who has more value contract wise him or macc?
August 19th, 20123:08 am
At this point probably Bourn.
If Mac bounces back healthy and near his old levels next season, I would prefer Mac.
The problem is that the decision on Bourn will be made while Mac is still up in the air.
That is assuming that they will pick up his contract, which I think they will do since there is probably a health reason for his poor play.
I would not give either one of them much more than 15 million
August 19th, 20124:04 am
Hanson and Sheets were throwers at one time and they were successful because they had fastball clocking 95-97 Now that they have lost velocity they can’t have the same success with a 88-90 MPH fastball. They are similar pitchers now. Mirror image of eachother. Yesterday Hanson gave up homeruns and today Sheets. If Sheets had a 95 MPH fastball he probably would have had swing and a miss on those would be homeruns. Sheets and Hanson both have to realize that they don’t have that fastball anymore and have to reinvent themselves.
In Hudson and Medlen you have pitcher’s they don’t need a 95 mph fastball.
Minor is a lefty so that is a totally different story.
Beachy is a thrower. Once he loses his fastball the guy will also be down hill.
Ben Sheets gave us 4 wins and I think that is all we should expect from him.
August 19th, 20124:07 am
I agree that Sheets and Hanson need to make adjustments. I think Tommy is already trying to do that, Sheets probably not yet.
I think Beachy is more than just a thrower though
August 19th, 20124:15 am
Imagine Smoltz losing his 97 MPH fastball and becoming a 89 MPH guy. Noway would he have much success. Like wise Kimbrel imagine if he becomes a 90 MPH guy?
I had a feeling that something was wrong with Beachy early in the season because we were used to seeing him throw 95 96 last year and this year he was throwing 91 92. Even though he was succesful you had to wonder where did that velocity go?
I don’t think Sheets can adjust it’s too late for him. He is at the end of his career and Hanson needs to develop a sinker or a cutter at this point to make himself into an effective 89 MPH guy. He won’t be able to do much with his fastball and curve ball.
August 19th, 20124:20 am
With Beachy Surgery route was obvious. He hadn’t pitched that many innings in the minors and initially was a reliver. The guy stressed his arm last year and that was a continuation this year. His fastball was slower and his K rates were down. His arm wasn’t used to the innings that he was pitching. National’s are making a great move with Strasburg in shutting him down.
Beachy probably doesn’t come back with the same fastball of 95-97. If he is at 92 range then he has a chance to be succesful however if he goes Hanson and Jurrjens route and has a 89 90 MPH fastball then I think he is just a Hanson waiting to happen.
Beachy was probably suited to be a RP and probably would have made for a great set up man or even a closer
August 19th, 20124:35 am
I hate to be negative but I think there is a faitly high chance that we will lose today. Billingsley has been very tough lately
August 19th, 20124:39 am
I think you are being too negative about Beachy,
I also think it is not too late for Sheets for sure, he is not that old.
Tommy might have problems because he needs to become a command pitcher and that has always been a weakness in his game.
He has a very good curve though
August 19th, 20125:42 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
G-Men stomp the BULLS 10-5.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.308 BA] 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI , 1 SB , 1 BB, 2 SO.
RHSP RANDALL DELGADO [5.13 ERA] 6.0 IP, 6 H, 2 HR, 4 R/ER, 2 BB, 9 SO.
The HR contagion that swept Turner Field last night spread to LAWRENCEVILLE as well, and old buddy BROOKS CONRAD [HR 3] was right in the middle of it .
August 19th, 20125:57 am
Bandits fall in a tight one 3-2 to the GENERALS. CHRIS JONES surrenders the winning run in relief.
HR’s abound yesterday as RHSP ZEKE SPRUILL [3.71 ERA] 9.0 IP, 7 H, 1 HR, 2 R/ER, 1 BB, 6 SO surrenders one as well in an otherwise excellent outing.
CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.308 BA] 1-5, 1 R.
1B JOEY T. [.312 BA] 1-5, 1 RBI , 1 SO.
LF/C EVAN GATTIS 0-5, 1 SO.
And the LYNCHBURG HILLCATS lose 1-0 in relief to the BLUE ROX as they are three-hit and shut-out.
August 19th, 20126:31 am
Your 9:50 sounds like a Mayo Clinic symptom finder. Great post. Very informative. Sorry, you have to hold your keyboard so low. Good luck on your recovery.
Side note: I went to see Dr. Andrews about 10 years ago for my shoulder. I was stressing big time. Panic Attack stressing. Needles and scalpel stressing.
Tendonitis. Told me to lay off the golf for a few weeks.
Girlfriend said, “See, Baby..” or was it, “See! Baby!” ?
August 19th, 20127:07 am
but with Boras, we know he is going to try and rob us blind.
I’ll call John Malone and let him know this. Where’s my yacht list? The S.S. Land Barron, perhaps? That ship fits for shore…
August 19th, 20127:44 am
At least the Braves didn’t lose any ground to the Nats last night.
Braves can take the series today against the Dodgers. That’s the key.
August 19th, 20128:19 am
“Pidlin, inepet and effet offense.”
Well, I gess you covered all your bases (so to speak) with that one. Colorful, anyway.
August 19th, 20128:27 am
I agree that Sheets and Hanson need to make adjustments. I think Tommy is already trying to do that, Sheets probably not yet.
Right now, I’m going to say that Sheets is coming back down to earth after an incredible opening run. Let’s see what his next couple of starts are like.
August 19th, 20128:31 am
Last night’s approach was flippin pathetic, I’ve never seen a pitcher fall behind so many guys and still produce a quality start. So many guy’s swinging at the 1st pitch or on 2-0, 3-0 counts…. Harang had more balls than strikes but they refused to take advantage of his control issues.
August 19th, 20128:37 am
Sheets has one more start before that off day on the 30th.
August 19th, 20128:40 am
Very disappointing game last night, but it’s time to bounce back and beat those damn Dodgers into the ground.
August 19th, 20128:41 am
Paul Janish is a terrible player who barely deserves to be in the major leagues. He may be a good fielder but he can’t hit at all (a .274 slugging percentage!!!). If it wasn’t for the Braves current needs, he would even be on the team. Sugar coat it all you want but he is awful.
August 19th, 20128:43 am
Good to see Hanson at least keep the team in the game on Friday night. Starts like that won’t kill his trade value heading into the offseason. Although, if he’s sent to the bullpen, that’ll hurt it some. But…it’s about putting the best five out there in September, so if Tommy isn’t that, so be it.
August 19th, 20128:44 am
Bourn with a lead off walk, Prado drives a double to score Prado, Heyward comes up takes 2 balls (Harang is clearly struggling) but swings 2-0 for a lazy fly ball failing to move runner over, Intentional walks Chipper after falling behind 2-0, Runners on 1st and 2nd and Freeman up, pop up on 1st pitch…. Uggla comes up and draws a walk, bases loaded and Ross battles to a full count and swings at what looked to be ball 4. Heyward and Freeman hurt us bad that inning. Gotta understand there is a struggling pitcher on the mound and to make him throw you a strike or 2.
That’s frustrating as hell. Then once the Dodgers have batting practice with 3 consecutive homers the Braves are only able to draw 2 more walks even tho Harang continues to fall behind just about every batter. Or were swinging at the 1st pitch.
August 19th, 20128:46 am
Jason Heyward has hit .223/.283/.354 vs. LHP with an alarming 59 strikeouts in 175 at bats.
BFF: Stop smoking that stuff.
August 19th, 20128:47 am
Paul Janish overall is much better than Jack Wilson in my opinion, he’s the least of our problems. He’s just here to play great d.
August 19th, 20128:49 am
Freeman is 2 for his last 23 and that’s dropped his OPS 25 points to .796.
August 19th, 20128:50 am
Well I take it you weren’t a fan of Simmons being called up? Most projected him to not hit much at all but that it wouldn’t matter how much he hit cause he’s so amazing defensively.
August 19th, 20128:54 am
Regardless of Paul Janish’s slash line he’s had some good ABs. Always seems to see a good amount of pitches, of course he isn’t gonna hit for any power look at him… If you wanna complain about slugging talk about Uggla and McCann. Mac is slugging over 50 points under his career norm and Uggla is almost 100 points lower than normal….
August 19th, 20128:55 am
BFF, that’s because he’s not a slugger.
August 19th, 20128:57 am
Hard to believe Uggla still has a 347. OBP, he’s only slugging 377 tho, (Career SLG 471)
August 19th, 20128:59 am
Janish has done better than many of us would have expected from him. He can’t get too much grief for it. Janish is much better than Jack Wilson was.
VaBravesFan, well, Uggla is still drugging walks like crazy.
August 19th, 20129:02 am
Janish is a better player then his average shows it to be. He has been better than Alex Gonzalez and Janish doesn’t strike out much and puts the ball in play. He could be starting for many teams. We haven’t missed Simmons at all and i am not sure I would want Simmons back with the way Janish is playing. He is probably the best 210 hitter i have ever seen in my life. It is always shocking to see his average down there.
August 19th, 20129:04 am
Ben Sheets luck has ran out. It is between him and Hanson for the final spot and unless Hanson becomes Jurrjens then i see Sheets being the odd man out.
Offense needs to show up today
August 19th, 20129:11 am
Going to assume BFF is just kidding. No telling where this team would be without Janish. He makes every play and gives the pitching staff confidence that they can throw to contact and anything hit to short is going to be an out. With the help of the pitching coach, he is no longer an automatic out. He certainly deserves a spot on the team when Simmons gets healthy.
August 19th, 20129:14 am
Wow, Uggla is still getting walks like crazy.
August 19th, 20129:21 am
Zeke Spruill with a great outing last night: 9 IP, 7 hits, 2 ER, 1 BB, 6 K’s.
August 19th, 20129:28 am
August 19th, 2012
ever actually watch a game? Apparently not.
August 19th, 20129:29 am
Janish may not be the best hitter, but he certainly isn’t the worst. He will come through when needed. Besides, we didn’t get him for hi hitting, but for his defense.
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