Chipper could be first since Georgia Peach to hit .320 in final season

He’s hitting .317 now at age 40 in his final season, and if Chipper Jones could finish the season at .320 he’d do something no one has done in more than eight decades.

Jones' second homer in Thursday's game was also the 2,700th hit of his career. (AP photo)

Jones' second homer in Thursday's game was also the 2,700th hit of his career. (AP photo)

Coincidentally, the last batter to hit .320 or higher in 350 or more plate appearances during his final season in the majors was also a gem from Georgia. Well, actually, he was the Georgia Peach. That’s right. Ty Cobb.

A friend, John Lowe at the Detroit Free Press, did the research and determined that not since Cobb hit .323 for the Philadelphia A’s in 1928 has a hitter finished at .320 or better in his last season, at least not with that modest minimum of 350 plate appearances.

Cobb obviously was a different type hitter and did it during an entirely different era, so his .323 average, .389 OBP and .431 slugging percentage aren’t really otherwise comparable to what Jones is doing this season. Cobb had 27 doubles and one homer in 93 games and 393 plate appearances. The Georgia native was 41.

Jones, 40, has surpassed even the most optimistic of expectations for his farewell season, leading the Braves in average (.315), OBP (.391) and slugging percentage (.519) on Aug. 17, not to mention leading the team in moments etched into the memory banks of teammates and Braves fans the latest being his two-homer night in Thursday’s 6-0 win against San Deigo, which gave him an even 2,700 hits.

Jones became the 65th player with 2,700 hits and passed David Winfield into 32nd on the career homer list with 466. The multi-homer game was Jones’ 40th and his first since June 2009, and the two-curtain-call night was the first of his career.

“It’s always great to be appreciated by the fans,” said Jones, who also has a team-best .336 home average with a .405 OBP and team-best .586 slugging percentage at Turner Field, with eight homers and 31 RBIs in 43 games. “I can feel it. it gets me flustered because I can feel it. I hear the chants. I hear the standing ovations. It’s a little overwhelming because this normally is a crowd that is pretty laid back, like Atlanta, like me. I would be the same way. For them to show their appreciation like that is really overwhelming.”

Jones has 19 doubles, 12 homers and 53 RBIs in 76 games and 307 plate appearances this season, and since May 1 he’s hit .330 (73-for-221) with 18 doubles, nine homers, 41 RBIs and a .943 OPS in 61 games. Again, he’s 40 years old, folks.

I asked him a few weeks ago and he said no, he absolutely would not reconsider retirement plans.

He was asked again after Thursday night’s game.

“No, I’ve made my decision and I’ve made my promises to my kids, and I can’t go back on that,” he said. “The bottom line is if I could still go out there and play 140, 150 games a year, I wouldn’t be quitting. But I can’t do it. And it’s not fair to the guys on the club, it’s not fair to Frank and Fredi, and it’s just a situation where nights like tonight they’re really cool and I’ll never forget them but I’m ready to do something else.”

J-Hey enjoying the ride: Did anyone notice the “I love you” sign-language handshape that Jason Heyward flashed as he crossed home plate last night on his home run trot? It was a tribute to Chipper, who makes that familiar sign – pinkie and index finger raised — for his family every time he crosses plate on a home run.

Heyward has 20 homers and is playing the best all-around ball of his career.

Heyward has 20 homers and is playing the best all-around ball of his career.

Heyward did it after his fifth-inning, two-out solo homer, the career-high 20th of the season for the resurgent right fielder. Five pitches later, Chipper followed J-Hey with his second homer of the night.

No one was happier for him in the Braves dugout than Heyward, who has developed a bond with the eldest Brave over the past few years, and spent a lot of time this past winter working with him and Braves hitting coaches Greg Walker and Scott Fletcher on Heyward’s swing.

Heyward had three hits including a hustle double in Thursday’s game, and laughed at the mention of being overshadowed by the third baseman.

“Storybook career,” Heyward said of Jones. “He keeps adding to it. I’m just fortunate enough, blessed to be a part of it at this point.”

Heyward has played an integral role in the Braves’ ongoing success with his all-out style of play, his superb defense and aggressive baserunning to go with his strong across-the-board production at the plate.

Since June 1, Heyward has hit .305 with 14 homers, 37 RBIs and a .366 OBP and .549 slugging percentage (.915 OPS) in 65 games, and the Braves are 41-24 in those games. In his past 22 games, he has six doubles, six homers, 15 RBIs and a .602 slugging percentage. The latest double came on a grounder off the glove of the Padres second baseman Thursday night.

Heyward never slowed down, racing to second as the ball bounced into shallow center field and diving head-first to beat the throw to second.

“Hey, just running,” he said. “I know if I can get to second that’s another RBI chance for the guy behind me. Just trying to take what the game gives me.”

BRAVES LINEUP

  1. Bourn cf
  2. Prado lf
  3. Heyward rf
  4. Chipper 3b
  5. Freeman 1b
  6. Uggla 2b
  7. Ross c
  8. Janish ss
  9. Hanson p

• Equaled record, but not dominance: After Kris Medlen matched John Smoltz’s franchise record of team wins in 15 consecutive games started, Medlen was the first to note that his numbers — 8-0 with a 3.31 ERA — during his streak spanning stints in the rotation in 2010 and this season, didn’t compare well with those of Smoltz during his record run in 2010.

In Smoltz’s remarkable 15-start run in his 1996 Cy Young Award season, he went 14-0 with a 1.91 ERA and .173 opponents’ average from his second start of the year through his 16th start, amassing 127 strikeouts with 21 walks in 113-1/3 innings, and going at least eight innings in seven of the 15 games including three nine-inning complete games (a two-hitter, a three-hitter and a four-hitter). Smoltz had double-digit strikeouts in six of the 15 games including two 13-strikeout games in which he walked a combined total of three batters in 17 innings.

• OK, had some more stuff but I need to get down to the clubhouse. I’ll share the other stuff later. Let’s close with a cut from Spoon’s terrific “Transferrence” album from a couple of years back. You can hear and see them do it live in KCRW’s studios in L.A. by clicking here.

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“TROUBLE COMES RUNNING” by Spoon

I was in a functional way
And I have my brown sound jacket
Queen of call collect on my arm
She was my calm-me-down
She was my good-luck charm
She was my good luck

Here it come running
Here it come running again
Trouble come running
Here it come running again

Well alright
I got taken away
By a heavenly host
To a heavenly place
I didn’t wanna leave
I would not be swayed

But here it come running
Here it come running again
Trouble where the kids are
Here it come running
Well are you picking up?
Are you picking up what I’m putting down?
Putting down
Running, here it come running
Ah, running again

Well done
I was in a functional way
And thinking clean clean thoughts
Effort just to keep my nose on
Just trying to look straight ahead
Don’t wanna tell him he’s wrong
Wanna tell him he’s wrong

It come running
Here it come running
Where the kids are
Here it come running again
Slaves are on the horses
Princes walk the ground like they’re slaves
Here it come running
Here it come running again
Running again
Running again
Running again
Ah, running….

– David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

1,427 comments Add your comment

BravesFan1984

August 17th, 2012
4:24 pm

Nate from State

August 17th, 2012
4:25 pm

I won’t do it…

Bama Braves

August 17th, 2012
4:25 pm

One Big Dummy

August 17th, 2012
4:26 pm

Last night was awesome, let’s hope it’s not a 3-hit shutout tonight! Let’s hope the Dodgers are still thinking about yesterday’s game!

Venice Jim

August 17th, 2012
4:26 pm

Thanks, DOB – in fact, deep thanks and appreciation! (no offense to WalleMan)…

JC Brave

August 17th, 2012
4:26 pm

Red Sox Release Mark Prior

The Red Sox have released right-hander Mark Prior, according to Brendan McGair of the Pawtucket Times (via Twitter). The move was made in order to create space for the newly-acquired Pedro Beato.

Prior, 31, hooked on with the Red Sox in early May as he looked to attempt yet another comeback. During his time in Triple-A Pawtucket, Prior posted a 3.96 ERA with 13.7 K/9 and 8.3 BB/9 in a small sample size of 25 innings of work. The second-overall pick in 2001 was brilliant in the early portion of his career but has not pitched in the majors since 2006 thanks to a series of shoulder problems.

Mark Prior, an example of what could be the future of Tommy Hanson.

TheOnlyBravesFan

August 17th, 2012
4:26 pm

Thanks DOB!!!

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
4:28 pm

It’s fine not to have a #1 starter and a team can be successful over 162 games if they don’t, but to rip classifications and the way pretty much all player development, scouts, front office personel go about things is just strange.

TheOnlyBravesFan

August 17th, 2012
4:28 pm

Good read, DOB… I hope Chipper can hit .320… maybe that’ll convince some that he is a first ballot HOF’er, no matter what Mantle did….

nolie

August 17th, 2012
4:28 pm

you need to read the overnights Efrim, I posted that Teheran piece and another Insider too last night, as i often do. I think it might be time to try a different pitch other than the curve

Hoosier Aaron

August 17th, 2012
4:31 pm

We just signed a LHP from the Mexican League.
Anybody remember German Jimenez (LHP) back in the late ’80s we signed out of the Mexican League?

TheOnlyBravesFan

August 17th, 2012
4:32 pm

nolie: Are you concerned that Teheran might not pan out? He sure hasn’t had a good time with his breaking stuff…

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
4:32 pm

you need to read the overnights Efrim, I posted that Teheran piece and another Insider too last night, as i often do. I think it might be time to try a different pitch other than the curve

My bad, nolie. I come into work, go through email and check up on things and then get on the blog around 8:30 and start posting new articles or slash lines. I should read the overnights but I sometimes think that it’s just crazy talk from the prior nights games. I keep forgetting that there is some good stuff in the comments.

As for Teheran, another pitch can’t hurt. Something for the hitters to think about. It might turn it all around for him.

Ward

August 17th, 2012
4:33 pm

Time for just one post, Does it matter who is first, as long as they get in? They get in don’t they. Kind of silly to argue over two great players. Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!! Talk after game tonight!

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
4:33 pm

“but to rip classifications and the way pretty much all player development, scouts, front office personel go about things is just strange.”

But the classifications of already major league ready players is pointless. It serves little to no purpose other than to give a guy a label. Who cares what their number is? And at what point do you upgrade or downgrade a guy to another number? There is so much gray area that it really makes pointless.

L.A. Mont

August 17th, 2012
4:33 pm

Shout to Paul Janish! He came in just to hold things together until Simmons got back. Dude is only hitting just over .200, but has hit much better lately including a 2 RBI single last night. He’s making all the plays at SS….the one in the 9th inning was the Baseball Tonight Web Gem…great play! He’s definitely earned the backup SS job when Simmons comes back, and gives Fredi a great glove off the bench when needed. Talk about improvement at a position….call it SS….from Tyler P. and Jack Wilson…to Andrelton Simmons and Paul Janish….what an upgrade! The team defense and pitching has greatly improved since those two have been playing….again, shout to Janish!

phil

August 17th, 2012
4:34 pm

Heyward never slowed down, racing to second as the ball bounced into shallow center field and diving head-first to beat the throw to second.

“Hey, just running,” he said. “I know if I can get to second that’s another RBI chance for the guy behind me. Just trying to take what the game gives me.”

**************
Stupid Jason, worrying about RBI chances for others, as meaningless as that crap is.

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
4:34 pm

I would not go so far as to make Hanson the next Prior. Will reconsider if he ever strikes out 20 in a game though or ends the career of a second baseman while running the bases.

Shaun

August 17th, 2012
4:35 pm

Efrim, yep. Strange indeed. Good to see there is consistency though in ripping sabermetrics or analytical type stuff and ripping scouting concepts. The anti-intellectualism doesn’t stop with sabermetrics and statistical data.

nolie

August 17th, 2012
4:35 pm

Sure it does. Classification of guys has to impact their contract. I’m not sure how it couldn’t. Your 1’s are going to get paid the most, and 5’s the least. It is also why the Braves have to figure out how to get inexpensive #2’s/3’s, or develop young cheap 1’s and 2’s.,,,MF

the original classifications are made as projections when the player is drafted, but no matter what you project him as you are still gonna pay around slot. Minor was never projected as a #1 and seldom as a #2 but they paid what they had to because they drafted him where they did.

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
4:36 pm

Gearin down to make room for Hanson is no surprise. It was gonna be either him or the lefty (Avilion?). No worries he will be back in a little over 2 weeks.

Venice Jim

August 17th, 2012
4:36 pm

Isn’t pointless the lifeblood of the blog?

phil

August 17th, 2012
4:37 pm

I enjoyed the read, DOB…

I would say thank you but you had days off this week, and it would upset two others here in particular.

;-)

L.A. Mont

August 17th, 2012
4:37 pm

Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Jason Isringhausen…examples of when the Nats want to shut down Stephen Strausburg! They want this guy to be a long time starter, not a one-two year wonder, then struggle to stay in baseball as a reliever…

TheOnlyBravesFan

August 17th, 2012
4:37 pm

Janish over past 4 games: .308/.357/.308/.665 with a .308 BABIP
Janish over last 7 games: .250/.308/.250/.558 with a .250 BABIP

Hillbilly

August 17th, 2012
4:37 pm

Did anyone notice the “I love you” sign-language handshape that Jason Heyward flashed as he crossed home plate last night on his home run trot? It was a tribute to Chipper, who makes that familiar sign – pinkie and index finger raised — for his family every time he crosses plate on a home run.

Didn’t notice that, but I just went back and checked it out on the At Bat App. Thanks for pointing that out DOB. Great gesture by the youngster.

nolie

August 17th, 2012
4:37 pm

it is human nature to classify things, at least it used to be b4 the whatever generation appeared lately ;)

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
4:39 pm

But the classifications of already major league ready players is pointless. It serves little to no purpose other than to give a guy a label. Who cares what their number is? And at what point do you upgrade or downgrade a guy to another number? There is so much gray area that it really makes pointless.

This is how GM’s and front office personel do things, MFin. It’s how they evaluate talent. It doesn;t stop when they hit the majors after being prospects. If you don’t like it, that’s fine even though it’s incredibly strange, but this is how it’s done. It’s a fact.

SNEAKY PETE

August 17th, 2012
4:40 pm

Those are mighty numbers for Janish. Maybe out two-headed hitting instructor really can work miracles.

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
4:42 pm

it is human nature to classify things, at least it used to be b4 the whatever generation appeared lately

I’m a prospect/projection think towards the future guy, so hearing the “whatever, I just want a guy that wins” is so hilariously stupid to me.

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
4:42 pm

“The anti-intellectualism doesn’t stop with sabermetrics and statistical data.”

Oh stop. Classification has absolutely no value to the game. Who cares if Medlen is #3 or #4, what value does that have for the team? Absolutely none. Advanced stats, sabermetrics do, TO A POINT, have value, but don’t lump those together with numbering pitchers.

At some point, however, you have to grab your beverage of choice and food of choice and sit down in front of the tv and watch the game. Enjoy the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the stat guys on here don’t even watch every game.

phil

August 17th, 2012
4:42 pm

I’m in a mushy mood I guess so here goes….

I’m proud of Jason Heyward this season.

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
4:43 pm

Baseball GMs are not the only ones quick to classify others. Women do it to. They classify a man they meet within a few seconds after meeting him. I just wish back in my single days they would have told me what I was classified before I paid for dinner.

John Leonard

August 17th, 2012
4:44 pm

I thought we got Johnson, just for a game like this.Is he hurt? or having someone hit lefty’s against Fredi’s beliefs?

southern hope

August 17th, 2012
4:44 pm

another great read.

Also, all, this is sort of obscure but 2 years ago, i found a box of old AJC sports sections from the 90s in a thrift store. They’re an amazing visual memory of the Braves in that era…whoever the collector was, he saved both good and bad….and it’s just really really fun to sit down and read the 40 or sort sports sections. Anyway, does anyone want them? I feel like there must be someone out there who would cherish them….and it’s just not me. :) They’re free. Let me know and I’ll drop them into the mail for you.

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
4:45 pm

Aldon Smith – OLB for my 49ers. How was he selected in the 1st round, Top 10 overall. Projected double digit sack guy.

It’s what they do in all sports. And it’s even done moreso in baseball. It shouldn’t stop once they hit the majors.

Should we fire all of the major league scouts that are out there? Jim Fregosi going to see Matt Garza, Paul Maholm, etc. Why is he going there? I mean, what can he learn? Can’t he just look at the box scores and figure out who won the game? It’s easier that way, right? Less of a thought process, I guess is what some folks like.

phil

August 17th, 2012
4:45 pm

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
4:43 pm

Baseball GMs are not the only ones quick to classify others. Women do it to. They classify a man they meet within a few seconds after meeting him. I just wish back in my single days they would have told me what I was classified before I paid for dinner.
************
Those looks of disinterest, disgust, disdain and painful boredom weren’t enough? LOL

Shaun

August 17th, 2012
4:45 pm

But the classifications of already major league ready players is pointless. It serves little to no purpose other than to give a guy a label. Who cares what their number is?

Labels are necessary if you want to communicate. If a scout or any other type of evaluator wants to communicate with a GM or another scout or another evaluator, he needs labels agreed upon by the industry.

And at what point do you upgrade or downgrade a guy to another number? There is so much gray area that it really makes pointless.

There is some gray area but not a whole lot. Maybe one evaluator things a guy is a #2 while another thinks he’s a #3. That still gives you at least a decent idea of what a guy is. And the industry is going to agree on plenty of players.

And you know when to downgrade a guy when he stops being it, based on evaluation and information and evaluation of the information.

Gray areas don’t make something pointless.

Stupid Jason, worrying about RBI chances for others, as meaningless as that crap is.

Team RBI are not meaningless. It’s just meaningless to assign RBI to individuals.

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
4:46 pm

“I’m a prospect/projection think towards the future guy, so hearing the “whatever, I just want a guy that wins” is so hilariously stupid to me.”

With prospects it is one thing, with major leaguers it is different. So we should have picked up Dempster, Lincecum, or Greinke because their number is higher than Sheets/Maholm/Medlen, even though are three guys are clearly pitching better than them?

At what point do you draw the line and say…hey maybe our 3’s are better than those 2’s/borderline 1’s?

phil

August 17th, 2012
4:47 pm

Efrim – If your 49ers never won another game, i still wouldn’t be happy. What a crap team….

Guess my mushy mood passed.

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
4:47 pm

At some point, however, you have to grab your beverage of choice and food of choice and sit down in front of the tv and watch the game. Enjoy the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the stat guys on here don’t even watch every game.

Right. You’re simple minded and like things to be easy. That’s okay. But the big boys have to make decisions in the front office, and they don’t do so by sitting down in front of the TV with their food of choice and watching the games. But for you, that works.

ACE

August 17th, 2012
4:48 pm

DOB, waffle said to tell you thank you for doing your job.

SNEAKY PETE

August 17th, 2012
4:48 pm

Oh stop. Classification has absolutely no value to the game. Who cares if Medlen is #3 or #4, what value does that have for the team?..MF

I know that you are the poster child for the anti-intellect crowd, but that one is really out there

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
4:49 pm

At what point do you draw the line and say…hey maybe our 3’s are better than those 2’s/borderline 1’s?

Six years on the blog. This guy gets the gold star. I swear, it’s unbelievable.

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
4:50 pm

Efrim – I take it you don’t watch the games then? ;) No need to watch the games, just get out the old excel spreadsheet and box scores and see if the old #1’s beat the #2’s.

You’ve gotta be hating the Braves pitching right now. Bunch of #3’s and #4’s beating up on the rest of the league.

ACE

August 17th, 2012
4:50 pm

Joe Dimaggio retired because as he put it, he couldn’t be Joe Dimaggio everyday. No one wants to see a great star go out like Willie Mays in a mets uniform. Another reason why this farewell season of Chipper’s has been so special, going out on top.

phil

August 17th, 2012
4:52 pm

Speaking for the pure fan for a second, who DOES give a rat’s backside if Medlen is a 3 or a 4?

I sure as hell don’t when he’s mowing em down like he did last night.

If I was analyzing the guy, I would think and would tend to agree that he’s a 3 or a 4 who might be a 2 and we just don’t know it for sure yet, given the body of work.

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
4:52 pm

Right now I would say a couple guys in current Braves 6 man rotation are hoping they can be classified as a #5. Because after this stretch of games being classified a #6 will result in a change of job description.

BravePack(FreeFan)

August 17th, 2012
4:53 pm

Thanks for the new blog Don.

ACE

August 17th, 2012
4:55 pm

Don is one of the many alter egos of DOB.

Shaun

August 17th, 2012
4:55 pm

Oh stop. Classification has absolutely no value to the game. Who cares if Medlen is #3 or #4, what value does that have for the team? Absolutely none. Advanced stats, sabermetrics do, TO A POINT, have value, but don’t lump those together with numbering pitchers.

At some point, however, you have to grab your beverage of choice and food of choice and sit down in front of the tv and watch the game. Enjoy the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the stat guys on here don’t even watch every game.

You do realize the whole world scouting and player evaluation classifies pitchers in this way and understands it, right? The industry obviously sees the value in it. Even the non-stat guys, the guys who get paid just to watch games intently, classify pitchers in this way. But I guess they, like the stat guys, also don’t know how to grab a beverage and enjoy the game.

It will matter how Kris Medlen is classified when they are trying to decide whether to put him in the rotation, if they ever want to trade him or if some team offers up a trade for him, in contract negotiations.

Just like sabermetrics, because people don’t understand why or how classifying pitchers works, they need to knock it and mention not enjoying or watching the game.

phil

August 17th, 2012
4:56 pm

But Chipper has another good year in him, barring injury.

He can’t go back in 5 years when he regrets this. I’d rather chance it and see him play until he can’t anymore.

I regret not giving baseball a go as a kid. Too late now. I likely would’ve stunk it up, but I’ll never know.

I regret not taking to regular running 25 yrs ago. Started at 38. Who knows now….

Oh well….

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
4:57 pm

Boston classified Mark Prior as a #13 earlier today.

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
4:57 pm

I take it you don’t watch the games then? No need to watch the games, just get out the old excel spreadsheet and box scores and see if the old #1’s beat the #2’s.

Nope, I watch the games. I just like to give it a little more thought than you do. You’re a simple minded person, and that’s okay. You like things easy so they don’t hurt your brain. It’s cool. Just keep staring into the television. It’ll all be okay, Muffin.

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
4:57 pm

“I know that you are the poster child for the anti-intellect crowd”

Nope, not really. I’m all for statistical analysis of players. I think it is great. But giving pitchers numbers is a little silly. I mean, I get that it serves a purpose as a language for evaluating players. But it doesn’t have any barring on the outcome of games. Especially if you have 45 #2’s in the league and then 350 #3’s who are pitching like #4’s, #3’s, #2’s or #1’s.

Some on here I think love the stats behind the game more than actually love watching the players play the game. Like I said, I don’t think some of the guys on here watch the games, they just look at the stats. There is nothing wrong with looking at the stats, but please enjoy the game as well. Enjoy Chipper hitting 2 homers on bobblehead night. Don’t just see that his slugging and on base % went up after checking Gameday or the box score. Or that Kris Medlen has moved from being a #4 to a #2 after his complete game shutout. :roll:

SNEAKY PETE

August 17th, 2012
5:00 pm

I know he’s real because I’ve touched him.”…Fredi

is that what broke up Chipper’s marriage?? @nolie

noles, you owe me a dry cleaning bill for that joke, I spilled coffee all over myself laughing

Shaun

August 17th, 2012
5:01 pm

Speaking for the pure fan for a second, who DOES give a rat’s backside if Medlen is a 3 or a 4?

Plenty of fans I’m sure don’t care. They don’t understand the classification system that evaluators use for starting pitchers and they don’t care to understand. That’s perfectly fine. I wouldn’t knock anyone who wants to just be a fan without caring about that stuff. But some fans love that stuff. That’s the beauty of baseball, and probably most sports, especially these days. If a fan wants to get in to how talent evaluation works and the language that is used, they can do it. There is plenty of that information out there made available by people actually in the know, that have sources and know how the industry works, and love passing it along.

But just because you don’t want to absorb this information, don’t want to understand it or may not be capable of understanding doesn’t mean you should know those that do.

kelevra

August 17th, 2012
5:02 pm

when classification does matter is when deciding who to pitch in a one game playoff….which is something the braves will most likely(hopefully not) have to decide in about 6 weeks. im pretty sure hudson gets that game because of the experience but if you had to pick one guy in our rotation most likely to give you a really good start…it would be tough to not pick maholm or medlen

Trey

August 17th, 2012
5:02 pm

I know Waffle House or Bust is going to have his feelings hurt, but thank you for the new blog, DOB.

Shaun

August 17th, 2012
5:02 pm

Oh, and I would be shocked if anyone here watched every single game, whether they’re stat heads or not.

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
5:02 pm

Efrim – I’m not sure why you have to go about everything in such a classless way and insult others that don’t share your opinion. I refuse to do that. Just isn’t the right way to approach others. You have every right to your opinion and I enjoy listening to all your guys stuff, I really do. But I don’t understand how people can approach others in an insulting way. I suppose it is your right, but not the way I roll I guess.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

August 17th, 2012
5:03 pm

THanks for the new Blog, Chief.

7. Ross c

Well hello, George! Long time, no see!…

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
5:06 pm

“Oh, and I would be shocked if anyone here watched every single game, whether they’re stat heads or not.”

Really? I’d bet a lot of people do. How many games do you usually watch Shaun?

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
5:09 pm

I’m not sure why you have to go about everything in such a classless way and insult others that don’t share your opinion

You make a remark and assume that I do not watch every game, using excel spreadsheets and box scores. What would you expect me to do? Add one of these ;) at the end of my sentences like you do? Nah, not with you. Like I said, six years on here and your logic is probably the most strange I’ve read.

tiger297

August 17th, 2012
5:09 pm

he cant go back in 5 years when he regrets this – ok not trying to be a jackleg here

chipper jones who has done just about everything he could want in a baseball uniform which by necessity requires sacrifice of time with his kids

5 years from now will more likely regret – not playing another year vs spending a year with his kids while they are still kids

Efrim

August 17th, 2012
5:09 pm

I’d bet a lot of people do. How many games do you usually watch Shaun?

Does that make you a bigger fan and more into the team if you watch more than Shaun? You’re lost, dude.

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
5:12 pm

The real fan not only watches all the games, he stays up late to watch the re-broadcast too.

tiger297

August 17th, 2012
5:13 pm

yeah I do that to lots of games I attend…watch the re-broadcast (thats bad right)

ACE

August 17th, 2012
5:14 pm

Heisenberg, Yes and they sometimes watch it a third time the next day.

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
5:15 pm

“You make a remark and assume that I do not watch every game, using excel spreadsheets and box scores.”

Nah, you made about 10 remarks before that and as often as you can.

But I guess from here on out I can expect you to not insult then. ;) I’d like to be able to have civil discussions without name calling. Thanks in advance.

It really isn’t silly logic. The classification really has no barring on the games being played on the field. You can call guys 1’s and 2’s and 3’s all you want, but unless they go out and pitch like that on a given night it really doesn’t matter to that night’s results. The Braves have assembled a team full of 3’s, but at the same time have one of the best offenses and defenses in the league. Because of that they could very well win the World Series this year, without an Ace, without a #1, and maybe with their best pitcher being a #2. Pretty cool

I get that scouts need a way to communicate and classification is good for that. But there also comes a point where it is cool to see a guy like Medlen who is probably a #4, is given a chance to pitch and has a stretch of pitching like a #1. That is the fun part in baseball that I enjoy watching.

pfunkatl2

August 17th, 2012
5:17 pm

I went back to KC for a year, and got back at the start of baseball season. After a year of the Royals again YOU BET I watch every game…even the re-broadcast if I can catch it. Thankfully, I still got the follow the Braves on the blog and computer, even the painfully ugly end of last season

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
5:18 pm

“Does that make you a bigger fan and more into the team if you watch more than Shaun?”

No. I’m really just getting a gauge for how often people watch. Civil dialog. Not everyone on here is out to get everyone else Efrim. I’d love for everyone to post how often they watch games.

There is the occasion where some people on here don’t watch games and then they cite stats without really knowing what happened in the games. That does sometimes bother me. Like Nate McLouth’s .350 on base percentage and people claiming it was good, when it all reality it was worthless and it was only because there were 2-outs and the pitcher up next.

ACE

August 17th, 2012
5:18 pm

Yes painful and ugly.

Big Nick

August 17th, 2012
5:22 pm

I am ok with our “soft tossers” in the rotation during the regular season but it does seem like the power pitchers do have more success in October. Just wish Hanson of 2-3 years ago was in our rotation!

Efrim— Be honest….does it sting a little bit that these crafty pitchers of ours are getting guys out? Not near as much fun to watch a guy go out and get ground ball outs as it is watching them blow guys away with 95mph gas??? 90-100 pitch shutouts are boring!

kelevra

August 17th, 2012
5:22 pm

paul maholm’s last 9 starts (since june 29th)

W-L: 7-1
ERA: 1.20 (67 IP 9 ER)
SO-BB: 52-14
7.1 IP/start

ChipperisGod

August 17th, 2012
5:26 pm

Glad Mac is getting a rest. I hope he isn’t hurt. He’s been hitting poorly, but I was glad to see him put a smooth stroke on a ball last night. From the seats, it looked like it might be a hit, but it was right at the outfielder.

Can’t say enough about Chip. Loved being there last night for that. Let’s get the Dodgers!!! I know it’s Capuano, but we can do it. Hope Hanson’s arm is as big as his mouth. He better back up cursing out Roger and Fredi. That rehab start’s the best he’s pitched since the All Star Break. Hopefully it transitions tonight.

Malholm
Medlen
Huddy

Should be our three man rotation if we make it to the NLDS.

MFin04

August 17th, 2012
5:27 pm

“it does seem like the power pitchers do have more success in October.”

Yeh, well we haven’t been in the playoffs lately to test that theory. :) One pitcher doesn’t get you there, a rotation of 5 (or 6) guys, plus an offense and a bullpen gets you there. Hopefully we can win the division and get on a roll. When hot, we have been one of the best teams in baseball.

Sundrop Kid

August 17th, 2012
5:28 pm

Sure has been pleasant and rewarding the last couple of days watching some “real” baseball being played by some 12 yr. olds in the LLWS. The game yesterday between TN and NE (yep left the Braves game) and today’s between Canada and Mexico showed me the huge differences and what separates the men from the boys. A great example was yesterday when a batter was hit in the earflap of the helmet, and it sounded and looked bad at first. The pitcher came all the way in to home plate to see if the kid was OK and talk to him. How often do we see that in the majors? Such spirit and exuberance exhibited by the young ones, and the looks on their faces when they made such great plays like the 3 today by Canada. It is what the game is all about. Not a bunch of highly overpaid spoiled brats (a large part) who are just going through the motions, for not much more than a paycheck. Even those in the MLB such as Mike Trout tweeted today about the outstanding catches made by Canada. I think some of the MLB players(mostly the younger ones) still have that necessary ingredient and realize what it’s all about. It’s just a shame so many of the MLB players don’t show their real appreciation for the game, like these 12 yr. olds do. I’ve reached the conclusion I had rather watch them than the MLB. It leaves one with a warm feeling.

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
5:28 pm

And now Dempster needs some PTO. Thank you Ryan for not wanting to come here.

Big Nick

August 17th, 2012
5:28 pm

Kelevra—-But he hasnt hit 90mph on the gun! I’m not sold! SARCASM

Ralph

August 17th, 2012
5:30 pm

Meds will probably have one bad game and that will be all the justification Fruti will need to send him back to the pen. Which as we all know is where Fruti wants him.

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
5:30 pm

Malholm
Medlen
Huddy

Should be our three man rotation if we make it to the NLDS
*********************

Probably need to add Sheets as 4th. The only way there will be days off in the playoffs is if it rains. Have you seen the proposed schedule?

phil

August 17th, 2012
5:30 pm

He’s no 1 or 2….

Dump Maholm today!!

Jay Dubu

August 17th, 2012
5:33 pm

Glad that Heyward is playing as well as he is. Probably the best all around player on the team.

HR – 1, Runs – 2, Hits – 3, Doubles – 3, Triples – 3, RBI – 3, BB – 2, SB – 2

Hope that he’s able to reduce the number of strikeout…putting the ball in play always provides a chance to get on base.

phil

August 17th, 2012
5:33 pm

12 yr old kids being shown playing ball on television….I find it sad myself.

That said, good for the kid pitcher who walked in to check on the one he drilled in the ear.

ACE

August 17th, 2012
5:35 pm

The return of Sundrop

Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)

August 17th, 2012
5:35 pm

“No, I’ve made my decision and I’ve made my promises to my kids, and I can’t go back on that,” he said. “The bottom line is if I could still go out there and play 140, 150 games a year, I wouldn’t be quitting. But I can’t do it. And it’s not fair to the guys on the club, it’s not fair to Frank and Fredi, and it’s just a situation where nights like tonight they’re really cool and I’ll never forget them but I’m ready to do something else.” Chipper Jones.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The man just said so much more than most will ever understand. His human character is unblemished.

Jay Dubu

August 17th, 2012
5:36 pm

Playoff starters

Malholm
Medlen
Huddy
Sheets

Minor to the pen. Unless Hanson comes back and pitches really well, or oone of the other guys hits the skids, he may not make the playoff roster.

ChattTownBrian

August 17th, 2012
5:36 pm

Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Hanson is a journey man pitcher in a few years searching for some success somewhere after lost velocity, stuff and injuries. I sure hope not, I don’t wish that on most any athlete, but I really have little faith TH can keep pitching in that funky way, already losing velocity and now has a bum shoulder and be all that successful in the majors. Or it sounds like a bum shoulder.

Sundrop Kid

August 17th, 2012
5:37 pm

‘phil’ surely you are not serious? If so, the sad part would be someone thinking that way, IMHO.

Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)

August 17th, 2012
5:38 pm

Shaun

August 17th, 2012
5:01 pm

Speaking for the pure fan for a second, who DOES give a rat’s backside if Medlen is a 3 or a 4?

Plenty of fans I’m sure don’t care. They don’t understand the classification system that evaluators use for starting pitchers and they don’t care to understand. That’s perfectly fine. I wouldn’t knock anyone who wants to just be a fan without caring about that stuff. But some fans love that stuff. That’s the beauty of baseball, and probably most sports, especially these days. If a fan wants to get in to how talent evaluation works and the language that is used, they can do it. There is plenty of that information out there made available by people actually in the know, that have sources and know how the industry works, and love passing it along.

But just because you don’t want to absorb this information, don’t want to understand it or may not be capable of understanding doesn’t mean you should know those that do.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

WHO THE BLEEP ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH SHAUN???????

Heisenberg

August 17th, 2012
5:39 pm

Hanson has not had any shoulder problems this year. He was out for back issues. At least that is the official word.

kelevra

August 17th, 2012
5:40 pm

ERA’s since their respective trade’s

Maholm: 1.56 (3 starts 23 IP 4 ER)
Dempter 9.00 (3 starts 16 IP 16 ER)
Greinke 5.53 (4 starts 26 IP 16 ER)

WINNER
Frank Wren

N8

August 17th, 2012
5:40 pm

<"Mark Prior, an example of what could be the future of Tommy Hanson."

Or as per the discussion towards the end of the last blog….. A projected “front of the rotation” guy.

Lots of good he did the Cubs. Maybe they should have invested their time and money into 3 or 4 of the next “Paul Maholms”.

The Braves don’t currently need an Ace. If they didn’t have guys who were aboslute CRAP at the beginning of the year filling out the “back end” of the rotation, they’d be in first place.

But because Jair was thought of as a #2 or a #3 starter, that meant they had to kep plugging him out there every 5 days.

Projections and projected “spots” in the rotation don’t mean jack sh!t if the players don’t do their jobs.

That’s what I’m saying. I couldn’t care less what Medlen’s “projected” slot in a rotation was when drafted and in the minors.

He’s IN our rotation now and he gets people out. Isn’t that enough? Add to that he’s doing it better than most of the guys in on the 40 man roster that were “projected” to be better starting pitchers.

If it makes you and a GM feel better that a guy ends up in a certain slot? So be it.

I care about how many outs he can record while he prevents runners from the other team from touching home.

Doesn’t anybody else find it ironic that when the season comes to an end, our two “Aces” might be a guy that was coaching his kid 2 months ago, and out of MLB for 2 years and a guy who people are STILL arguing should be in the bullpen?

Why? Because he wasn’t projected to be a better pitcher than Tommy Hanson?

Perhaps a GM and his scouting staff could be out of work for swinging and missing on said projections.

But you know what’s worse? Not keeping a guy in the rotation for a guy that’s not as good as him, based on those projections.

ACE

August 17th, 2012
5:42 pm

Tip your cap to Frank

ACE

August 17th, 2012
5:46 pm

The one player that Fredi needs to keep running out there, is Meds in the rotation.

Sundrop Kid

August 17th, 2012
5:47 pm

Yes, ‘ACE’ , the serious, intuitive, and philosophical SUNDROP KID!
YOU CAN GO ON AND YOU MUST! “Anyone can carry his burden, however hard, until nightfall.
Anyone can do his work, however hard, for one day.
Anyone can live sweetly, patiently, lovingly, and purely until the sun goes down.
And this is all that life really means.” Robert Louis Stevenson

Ralph

August 17th, 2012
5:49 pm

N8 –

But you know what’s worse? Not keeping a guy in the rotation for a guy that’s not as good as him, based on those projections.

Sounds like Fredi G to me!

TuffShhhtuff

August 17th, 2012
5:49 pm

Why are there so many “crabby” and “grouchy” people on DOB’s blogs? Some just downright mean and hateful! Don’t notice it on the others as much?

?

August 17th, 2012
5:51 pm

The Padres gave away the pitch. They told what pitch was coming to let Chipper hit a homerun. Two Hrs on his bobblehead night? Yeah, I believe that was real. Not.

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