2:53 pm August 16, 2012, by David O'Brien
August 16th, 201210:01 pm
Go out like a legend.
If I’m Medlin and I got put back in the pen after having pitched the way he has, I’d be outta here first chance I got. Probably a California team to play where he’s from. Simple as that. Hope that doesn’t happen.
Nolie, I meant they won’t get for HANSON what they could have gotten for Jurrjens a couple of winters ago. I think had the Braves traded JJ two winters ago (like I pleaded and begged for them to do on a weekly basis)… they could have gotten a haul for him.
But clearly somebody would give us an above average LF (or 3B if they want to leave Prado in LF) who is under control for 2-3 years for Hanson. That I believe.
Just not sure the Braves will do it. Not saying they absolutely should. But somebody has to go. Because Medlen deserves to be in the Braves rotation moving forward.
“Medlen is the Tim Tebow of pitchers. All he does is win. Give him the damn ball every 5 days until his time in Atlanta is done. With Maholm on board. Hanson is expendable.”
I agree with everything on that statement, but the Tebow comparisons, Medlen is the real deal, better at his position than Tebow is.
I am sold on Medlen as a MLB pitcher, not sold on Tebow as an NFL QB.
The best part of Medlen;s game is his mental mindset approach. Good talent, great mind for the game of baseball at the MLB level.
A long career if he stays healthy.
August 16th, 201210:02 pm
Don’t get too excited and wet your pants rah,rahs. When the best player on the team is a 40 year old with wobbly, arthritic knees; you aren’t going to last long come October.
I watched Glavine pitch his last game in Rome. Don’t ever want to see a Hall of fame player go out like that again.
August 16th, 201210:03 pm
maybe I’ll be blessed one day to tell my future grandkids about Chipper Jones, I saw him play.
August 16th, 201210:04 pm
sorry N8, I misread that I guess
Nice! Medlen well on his way to the Hall of Fame! ( :
Well done Braves. Well done. Chipper with 2. Heyward with 3 hits and some pop as well. Freeman on base 3 times. Well done.
August 16th, 201210:05 pm
no reason at this point to think that Chipper would do so
I want him back too…
I’d take him just for home games and on the road every 3 weeks or so.
August 16th, 201210:06 pm
I do not object to trading Hanson if it means they can sign Bourn.
Even if they do not get alot for Tommy (and he is going into ARB 3), can live with that.
Rest assured that other GM;s will lowball Wren. And I do think that other GM;s lowballed FW last winter, had FW taken what was offered for JJ last winter my guess is that we would not have been happy with the return.
No, have no inside info just a fan;s hunch. No way do I blame FW for hold on to JJ and hoping he regains his 2011 first half magic.
Braves’ team ERA in their last 21 games is 1.83. I wonder when we’ve had a better run of pitching, even in the good ol’ days.
It will get tougher as we start playing some real competition, but this has been a great run.
The hitting is becoming more consistent…
The pitching is too….
What does it all mean?
August 16th, 201210:07 pm
nolie’s 9:59 – CLASSiC! Maybe my favorite all time on the blog and there have been many chuckles and LOL’s.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
August 16th, 201210:08 pm
Less whining from the peanut gallery?
What does it all mean?…phil
Heartbreak ahead, according to many here
August 16th, 201210:09 pm
high series. Medlen was great ones again It’s was also really nice to see Chipper having a great game ones again. Now let’s hope that the Cards will lose tonight. Now as far the Nats and the east go I think a sweep over LA would be huge as the Nats play the Mets in New York so who knows maybe the Mets will not get swept. I think that as long as we go into the Nats series 4 games out will should be fine.
Then again, let’s win this thing and send Jones out in style!
August 16th, 201210:10 pm
No way Chipper comes back. He has resigned himself to the fact that he is going to be relaxed and enjoy this last year of ball. No way he could do better and go out any better than what he has done so far this year. He is really at piece with the whole thing and it shows in his demeanor.
Great season so far! Not many players get to experience this type of year in their last one!
August 16th, 201210:11 pm
lets win this thing, bring him back and win it again next season. Come Back Shane!!!
you are SUCH a buzz kill Mark…..
August 16th, 201210:12 pm
Braves are 27-10 in their last 37 games. Medlen, man. Wow.
August 16th, 201210:14 pm
I think I heard Chipper say “Bobble this!!”
“SpecialK” Medlen is, well Great. I hope Tommy can work from the bull pen. Numbers speak for themselves.
I guess the odds favor heartbreak, of course, but at least we show signs of maybe doing something great.
I now believe we have the pieces. It’s possible, not just theoretical, not just unrealistic hope.
We have a chance and we’ll see.
It’s nice that we’re getting such great pitching, and plenty of hitting, that we can just appreciate his defense rather than whine about his bat. It wouldn’t be so easy if we were playing a bunch of one-run games like last year. But yeah, he’s been outstanding.
@Mike in FL — Was he this good before he came to the Braves???? He was playing in the minors most of the yr before the Braves traded for him.
As for me, I did not want it to be taken that I was whining about the hitting but with a guy who has that kind of defensive talent, I just wish that he could hit enough to hold a regular SS position cause that kind of fielding is an assett to the game.
I LOVE watching this team in the field, they find a way to not make mistakes, sometimes make the great play & the overall defense has been instruental in this stretch of winning.
I hope Janish is around for another four, five yrs, cause he can play for my team anyday. At least we will have shortstop depth for the future. Simmons is the man, but who could be a better back up.
August 16th, 201210:15 pm
Yeah somebody had to. Kinda like when you just have to accept the fact that there is no Santa Claus.
There isn’t a Santa Claus, is there?
August 16th, 201210:16 pm
I’m not at peace with it because he helps us win….
But I have no vote and no input.
is that what broke up Chipper’s marriage??
I think this is your best ever. ROFL
yeah Janish has always been known as a wizard with the glove, just could not hit enuff to stay up. Under 590 OPS is pretty brutal in 1000 PAs
Medlen asked if he wants to start, he skillfully avoided giving an yes/no answer. Gotta like his personality.
August 16th, 201210:17 pm
Janish is the man….
You keep that guy. Period. Great backup.
August 16th, 201210:18 pm
thanx guys. always glad to make a funny that works
I will say this in response to Janish’s hitting, he’s hit a ton of balls on the button and either been robbed or hit them right at someone. Not like he’s up there flayling away.
Braves’ Medlen tied Smoltz’s record of 15 consecutive team wins in his starts
And on this winning night….
August 16th, 201210:19 pm
First write-thru version of game story with quotes
I know better Mark, I mean he would hafta give all them presents back, right??
August 16th, 201210:20 pm
Simply amazing number tying Smoltz…..who would believe it? Medlen?
I know I’m throwing a wet blanket again but its gonna be hard to justify keeping Yawnish on the big clubs roster. Times have changed from having defensive specialist to come in in the middle infield like a Belliard. Guys on the bench have to be able to pinch hit and produce offensively.
When would Yawnish play? Defensive replacement for Simmons? Uggla isn’t so bad he needs that?
And I like Yawnish alot but I don’t see him taking a roster spot just for defense.
Medlen nodded toward Chipper’s locker stall across the way: “That old man over there is really good.”
disgusted, didn’t mean to suggest that you were whining about his bat. Just that, if the team was struggling, folks in general would be more concerned about that part of his game.
I knew nothing about him when we acquired him. I do remember the days of speculation on the blog, and an awful lot of folks convicting Wren of failing to adequately replace Simmons before he’d even made a move yet.
Wren’s midseason moves have been pure magic… Sheets, Maholm, Janish. Plus bringing up Simmons to replace Pastornicky, and finally getting Medlen into the rotation. Some of that was of necessity more than genius, maybe. But regardless, this team is soooo much better now than it was 2 months ago.
Can’t wait for Simmons to get back. Janish has almost made me forget how dynamic his defensive play was!
August 16th, 201210:21 pm
yeah monty, but he still has 1000 pretty terrible PAs. not much is likely to change now.
But I do really like him as a backup;I’m the guy who kept saying that just because your starter (Simmons) is a great glove does not mean that you don’t want another great glove as a backup
August 16th, 201210:22 pm
August 16th, 2012
Medlen asked if he wants to start, he skillfully avoided giving an yes/no answer. Gotta like his personality.”
And his intelligence. His performance speaks for itself.
Chipper is actually on the front page of ESPN MLB website!!!
Didn’t think ESPN would EVER put a Brave on their front page.
Brave New World
August 16th, 201210:23 pm
Medlen was awesome. The J-Hey Kid continues to roll, Janish was great pick up. Maholm and Sheets brilliant moves by Wren. And Chipper going out like the great ones wish they could. GO BRAVES!
Everybody knows Kris wants to start. He doesn’t have to answer yes/no, his arm has spoken.
Yeah he is “Special K”
August 16th, 201210:24 pm
I don’t see any way the Braves can possibly pull Medlen from the rotation. I’ve been asking for him to be in it since March/April, and now we’re finally seeing what we’ve been missing with him down there. Right now we have 5 starters who give us a chance to win every time they take the ball.
August 16th, 201210:25 pm
I don’t have a problem admitting I was wrong. Never questioned whether he could get it done but I never thought he;d stay healthy enough to get it done like this. Really remarkable when all is considered. 40 and six knee surgeries – Awesome
So We’re 18-1 in Medlen’s last 19 srarts and he hasn’t given up over 1 run in any start this year. That is just remarkable for a guy who was an after thought before the injuries.
August 16th, 201210:26 pm
ESPN Insider…Scouting Teheran’
From now until the end of the season, we’ll be giving you an updated report on prospects who appeared on Keith Law’s preseason top 100 or midseason top 50 prospect rankings. Today we’re taking a second look at a trio of pitching prospects: Julio Teheran from the Atlanta Braves, Zach Lee from the Los Angeles Dodgers and Ty Hensley of the New York Yankees.
Level: Triple-A (Gwinnett)
Law’s preseason ranking: 18 | Law’s midseason ranking: 19
Teheran has been a notable prospect since July 2, 2007, when he signed for $850,000 as a 16-year-old from Colombia, earning one of the biggest bonuses in his class. He shot through the minors, was considered one of the top prospects in the game and was knocking on the door of the big leagues with frontline starter upside. Teheran was forced to Triple-A due to the Braves’ early season pitching depth and has struggled enough there (5.05 ERA) that when there was a rash of pitching injuries, Atlanta was forced to trade for Paul Maholm at the deadline.
Teheran got to Triple-A so quickly that he’s repeating the level at 21, an age when many top pitching prospects are still in A-ball or college, so you can forgive his subpar stats in Triple-A this season, given that context. He also checks all the boxes with a long 6-foot-2, 180-pound frame, clean arm action, efficient delivery and excellent deception, and he flashes three above-average pitches with good command. When I saw Teheran recently, he worked 91-94 mph — touching 95 — with a fastball that showed occasional life, and he displayed solid-average command but would lose feel for it at times, usually up in the zone. He backed it up with a 79-82 mph changeup that flashed plus with late tumble, but he also left it up in the zone early, although he spotted it better later in his outing.
The question mark with Teheran is the breaking ball, and the only one he threw for me was a 72-75 mph curveball with 11-to-5 tilt, late bite and depth, but it was often below-average and hung in the zone. He had trouble staying on top of the pitch — it looked a little awkward coming out of his hand, and his arm slot was slightly lower. Norfolk hitters hit Teheran around (4 innings, 8 hits, 6 runs) as his command issues snowballed, and he had trouble getting over his front leg to keep his pitches down.
I saw some similarities with Teheran and Orioles 2012 first-rounder Kevin Gausman, whom I scouted before the draft when he was at LSU. While Gausman has a knockout fastball-changeup combination superior to Teheran’s, he struggled with a curveball that showed promise at times, ultimately opting for a slider that was getting rave reviews pre-draft. From my look, I thought Teheran should use the curve just a handful of times per game to change hitters’ eye levels and try a slider that he may have better feel for.
Teheran faced the same Norfolk lineup again Aug. 14 and shut it down (8 innings, 9 K’s, 1 run), with word from a scout that Teheran started using a slider in that start. I saw one of Teheran’s worst outings, but he still showed No. 2 or No. 3 starter upside, with a chance to be a rotation option next season with continued progress.
Nolie- “but he still has 1000 pretty terrible PAs. not much is likely to change now.”
Right, like to keep him on the bench when Simmons comes back too.
August 16th, 201210:27 pm
DiamondbackMac, my dog started barking because I was laughing so hard reading that nolie post. He thinks I’m ready to play with him when I get loud.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
August 16th, 201210:28 pm
If Medlen had been in the rotation right from day one, this team would be in first place with the best record in baseball.
August 16th, 201210:29 pm
It’s just not possible to script a year like this for CJ. Can you see him coming back with .220/.270/.350? in 2013? The man is gone from the Braves 40 man roster as sure Henry AAron.
Not to say he couldn’t DH in the AL for 2 years and be one of the best.
August 16th, 201210:31 pm
I’ve been very vocal about Medlen starting ever since he came up. Love that it’s coming true for him.
August 16th, 201210:32 pm
Can you see him coming back with .220/.270/.350? in 2013?…KL
no I doubt that would happen, but yeah, obviously he is gone. I will miss him a lot though. My man-crush is leaving me.
I have been high on him since I saw him play some high school ball and watched him every summer climbing up the ladder. That’s a lotta years…
August 16th, 201210:33 pm
The 2012 Atlanta Braves……..best second place team in ML baseball.
August 16th, 201210:34 pm
I have not doubted that Meds could start successfully but thought he was more valuable in the swing role considering our other pitchers. I agree that it is kinda hard not to keep him starting now though, at least as long as he is pitching so well
August 16th, 201210:35 pm
So CHIPPER has 2700 hits now and 466 HR’s.
In the past 17 wins, the Braves have scored 103 runs and allowed 25 – take out the 12-6 game and that’s 91-19 in 16 of the wins…definitely not helping our saves total…
August 16th, 201210:36 pm
August 16th, 201210:38 pm
thanks for the Teheran post – I would love to see him learn a good slider
August 16th, 201210:39 pm
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.309 BA] 2-4, 1 R, 1 SF, 1 RBI , 1 SO.
August 16th, 201210:42 pm
he needs to learn something, and up his command a bit too
yer welcome brian, glad you read it
August 16th, 201210:46 pm
Three more years in the AL as a DH and CHIPPER might tally 3000 hits, 1800 RBI, and 500 HR’s. But this is the way to go out – on top.
August 16th, 201210:48 pm
Without those ACL injuries he’d already be at 3000 and 500. But…
August 16th, 201210:49 pm
Back to the clubs with a winning record L.A. and WASHINGTON. How many against winners anyway?
PITTSBURGH 3, L.A. 3 WASHINGTON 6 any more?
August 16th, 201210:52 pm
Peter Moylan @PeterMoylan
One might say @KrisMedlen54 is officially stretched out.
sorry if someone posted this already….
August 16th, 201210:55 pm
ESPN Insider Olney
Players must take stance against PEDs
August, 15, 2012
Melky Cabrera was like a bank robber who did everything right in his plan to steal tens of millions — right up until the moment his getaway car ran out of gas.
Denny Medley/USA TODAY Sports/US Presswire
Had Melky Cabrera inked a new deal, then got busted, the signing team would still be on the hook.
With a little luck, it would’ve all worked out as planned, and Cabrera could’ve made $60 million, or $70 million or $80 million or more. It’s unclear exactly what day Cabrera was asked for the urine sample that tested positive, but if the timing had been different, he might’ve slipped through the cracks before becoming a free agent this fall. And it’s just the latest example that should scare the players’ union into seeking tougher penalties for drug offenders.
Cabrera was in a great position to capitalize on another strong season that was out of the ordinary for him. (And yes, it’s now fair game to wonder if Cabrera’s breakthrough season of 2011 was also accomplished with the aid of performance-enhancing drugs. He was a fourth outfielder with the Yankees before having a terrible year with the Braves in 2010, and then being non-tendered. Then suddenly, like someone rising out of a wheelchair and shouting that he was cured, Cabrera hit .305 with 67 extra-base hits for the Royals in 2011, before hitting .346 for the Giants this year while also winning All-Star Game MVP).
Think about what would have come next, if he hadn’t have been nabbed: At age 28, he was probably the No. 2 or No. 3 free-agent outfielder, behind Josh Hamilton. Armed with strong back-to-back years on his résumé, Cabrera probably would’ve gotten offers in the range of the deal that Andre Ethier signed — five years, $85 million.
Imagine, for a moment, that he had signed that deal with the Giants, for $17 million a year. Then, if he had tested positive at any time during the course of the contract — if he had been caught — the Giants would have had the same recourse that the Dodgers had with Manny Ramirez: Nada.
You remember that, right? Ramirez signed a two-year, $45 million deal with the Dodgers and was immediately suspended after being linked to a female fertility drug. He served his suspension, which cost him roughly $8 million, and then he came back and was a shadow of himself — getting paid, even after getting caught.
If the Giants had locked up Cabrera, they would’ve been on the hook for the rest of Cabrera’s contract even if he was caught, and even if it became clear that they signed him under false pretenses.
It’s apparent that as players weigh the possible risks and rewards of using performance-enhancing drugs, in baseball, crime can still pay. Handsomely.
“There’s more work to be done with the [drug] policy,” a veteran player conceded on Wednesday evening. “I think almost all players want a level playing field — that’s what important to them. If the policy isn’t deterring players, then that’s a problem.”
To Cabrera’s credit, he didn’t read from the my-dog-ate-my-homework script after news of his positive test broke. He was honest, in the statement released in his name: “My positive test was the result of my use of a substance I should not have used. I accept my suspension under the Joint Drug Program and I will try to move on with my life. I am deeply sorry for my mistake and I apologize to my teammates, to the San Francisco Giants organization and to the fans for letting them down.”
But if Cabrera had been truly regretful, then he wouldn’t have gone through the appeals process, which, for him, began sometime in the last 10 days of July. He was fully prepared to beat the system, to add tens of millions of dollars to his new contract, and when he was caught, well, that’s when he’d put his hands in the air and surrendered.
Cabrera not only would have essentially been deceiving his next employer, of course, but he could have directly hurt other players in the market. If Cabrera had gone into free agency without a suspension, wielding those huge numbers, then players like Shane Victorino would have been naturally pushed lower down the pecking order, as the older (and less desirable) player.
There is a parallel violation that could provide some guideline in how the union can (and should) ask for a strengthening of the drug-testing policy. If a player or staff member is caught betting on a baseball game in which he is not involved, a first offense would cost him a one-year ban. A second offense could mean a lifetime ban. This is how the union could put some teeth into the drug-testing: A one-year ban for the first offense, and a lifetime ban for the second offense.
Additionally, any player suspended for performance-enhancing drugs should have his contract voided, with the player remaining under the control of the team that signed him. And any player who tests positive in a given season should automatically be ineligible to play in the postseason that year, so they are not rewarded with a playoff share. As it stands, Cabrera could still profit if the Giants play deep into October.
These would be an important means in assuring that cheating players would be face career-threatening risks, rather than a penalty that is light enough that the Melky Cabreras of the world would seek ways to beat the system — to rob the marketplace.
Cabrera not only would have essentially been deceiving his next employer, of course, but he could have directly hurt other players in the market. If Cabrera had gone into free agency without a suspension, wielding those huge numbers, then players like Shane Victorino would have been naturally pushed lower down the pecking order, as the older (and less desirable) player. If Cabrera had gotten an $85 million deal from the Giants, that may well have impacted their decision whether to re-sign Hunter Pence at some point.
Melky Cabrera is a cheater — not only in how he competed, but in how he tried to beat the system. Until the players more severely punish those who are caught, the temptation to try will only grow, as the compensation does.
August 16th, 201210:57 pm
Coach (2012 Fredi’s Beisbol Fandango)
August 16th, 2012
And we would be complaining about him being shutdown…Medlen has never pitched over 123 innings as a pro.
He had TJ surgery he was not gonna pitch 200+ innings this year.
I saw one of Teheran’s worst outings, but he still showed No. 2 or No. 3 starter upside,
So not a #1/Ace anymore???
We won again, another series won…. such a trap series, we were gonna go 2-2 and won’t be catching the Curley W’s
August 16th, 201210:58 pm
Francisco plans to play winter ball in his native Dominican Republic. He wants to shed 10-15 more pounds and come into spring training ready to compete for a bigger role.
Good for you, Juan. Taking initiative to lose some weight… can only help you.
August 16th, 201211:00 pm
Melky Cabrera is a cheater
Say this over and over again…. he’s a liar too.
August 16th, 201211:01 pm
looks more like he could lose 20 at least….right phil?
August 16th, 201211:02 pm
If they keep it at 50 games, which is rediculously soft for a punishment, and do nothing else they get waht they deserve.
Wish they’d make them forfeit games that the cheating players played in. That would put more responsibility on teams to police themselves.
Two – No pay if you can’t play for drug suspensions
August 16th, 201211:04 pm
what? make a team forfeit every game a guy was in? That ain’t gonna ever happen
August 16th, 201211:06 pm
Wish they’d make them forfeit games that the cheating players played in.
Not to disagree with you (because I would like this) but one could argue that isn’t fair to the teams to do this. They may not have known. IMO, the penalty should be stiffer, like a year out of baseball, and a HEFTY fine… 2nd offense results in expulsion.
Don’t know if it’d work the best, but something needs to be done. Too many people doing that s***.
August 16th, 201211:08 pm
Postgame QUOTAGE from Battleaxe and others
August 16th, 201211:09 pm
They don’t have the guts to do anyhting like that but it would come a lot closer to stopping it than what they are doing now.
Why should the team benefit from cheating. They may not know, or may turn a deaf ear, but the team benefitted from his cheating and other teams got shafted. For that matter, the American league got cheated in the all-star game.
August 16th, 201211:10 pm
wow what a night at the ballyard
August 16th, 201211:11 pm
Melky should spend the ret of his life rooming as a cell mate with Charles Manson.
Life in prision is a fair sentence for Melk Dud. No parole. Deserves to be Booed.
August 16th, 201211:13 pm
Just imagine if they did have to forfiet games. Teams would be more involved in the testing and policing. Right now the league is the only displinarian – Team gets a free pass and hope they don’t get caught because they know if its going on.
Teams get more proactive, team mates get more proactive…It would stop it
August 16th, 201211:14 pm
I needed the laughs today for sure. Rough day. Hope tomorrow is better.
August 16th, 201211:16 pm
Mark: So true…
If for Melky alone, I hope that the MLB does expel steroid users Oh, and give Hank back the HR Crown…. Balco Bonds cheated and is a fraud.
But forfeits would horrifically skew the standings in favor of the division the team plays in, because they would have most of their wins there – not fair for wild card standings…
Disgusted, oh hush. Melky is immature and not all that bright apparently. He doesn’t deserve a prison sentence though. My God!
DOWN ON THE FARM
FABIAN, IAN THOMAS, and rookie NAT HYATT combine on a three-hit shutout as they become LEGENDS in LEXINGTON 5-0.
DH ‘BillyBECK’ BECKWITH [.300 BA] 2-3, 1 2B , 2 RBI , 1 BB, 1 SO.
August 16th, 201211:17 pm
Thank you David
DOB — gut feeling, do you see any chance that Medlen gets sent back to the bullpen?
August 16th, 201211:19 pm
no way they should ever fool with forfeiting games, it would totally screw up the standing, possibly late in the year, for all the other teams. that would not be fair at all. But a much bigger first time penalty would br great
August 16th, 201211:20 pm
Cheater punishment should be a year for the first offense and life-time second time. Dang this three strikes BS.
August 16th, 201211:21 pm
not as long as he keeps pitching complete game shutouts….
August 16th, 201211:22 pm
Chipper’s 2 homers gave him 466 and moved him ahead of Dave Winfield into 32nd place on the career list
August 16th, 201211:23 pm
The consequences of forfiets would be huge and cast wideramifications for sure. Just another reason why it would stop it. Pressure makes people do right more often.
In Melkys instance the Giants would have caught it before the league did if they had to experience more impact.
August 16th, 201211:24 pm
chipper sure doesn’t see meds back in the pen…
August 16th, 201211:25 pm
a year would be great.and they should have a guaranteed contract voided too. they would not only miss the check for the year, but they would know that missing a full year might set them back enough that they might not ever come back from it
A year suspension for the first one and 2nd one you done would be good
August 16th, 201211:27 pm
that’s totally unrealistic Mark. will not and should not ever happen
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