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DAP
August 17th, 2012
4:04 pm
robert No one is dissing Mantle by electing Chipper on the First Ballot.”
In fact, yes they are
says you, who doesnt even have a vote.
by the way, chipper wasnt just a switch hitter. why are you only comparing him to a switch hitter?
Efrim
August 17th, 2012
4:04 pm
Reed Johnson might have more playing time elsewhere. Not sure if we’ll be able to keep him, although it’d be great to have him back.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 17th, 2012
4:04 pm
Marc Carig @MarcCarig
Baseball Hall of Famer Eddie Murray charged with insider trading http://nj-ne.ws/Q8ucAg
Ward: Mejia? Speed? What you smoking? All the others might be true…
Ward
August 17th, 2012
4:05 pm
MFin04- Didn’t know I came from China, but I thanks you……….little humor, and hate when I double post.
Shaun
August 17th, 2012
4:05 pm
Well depends on the price tag. Overpaying for production is absurd. Why pay a guy $25 million to be a #1 and win when you can win just as many games with a #3 or #4 in Medlen.
The classifications of guys into 1’s, 2’s, 3’s, etc. has nothing to do with contract. Yes, if you’re a GM, you do have to consider contract. But this is a completely separate issue from where to classify a starting pitcher, in scouting terms.
And the list of #1’s is it based on their stuff/makeup/etc or is it based on their stats? It seems a lot of these lists suffer from checking out their stats.
Everything matters. And looking at the right stats and interpreting them correctly goes a long way toward giving us the information on how to classify a player. Guess what? A guy’s makeup, etc. is going to influence his stats. Outside of just the stats, age, stuff, durability and skill set matter. It’s very hard for the layperson to know anything about a guy’s makeup. That’s something the organizations can only know about and I’d venture to say it’s even hard for them. Hard to know exactly what goes on in someone’s head, even if you are fairly close.
Big Nick
August 17th, 2012
4:06 pm
Of course Teheran is a future ace because he THROWS HARD….alot of guys in here are so enamoured by velocity they overlook the being a “pitcher” aspect of it. The hardest anyone can throw in our current 5 or 6 as about 93MPH….but most have a very good idea how to get guys out and i am fine with that. Of course we would all like 5 guys that dominate and throw 95 but just doesnt work out that way.
Oh back to Teheran, until he commands the strike zone with “multiple” pitches he is what he is…a prospect…My gut tells me he is an underachiever for a few more years and then molds into a 3. His stuff does not impress me to the tune of a 1 or 2. Age is on his side but overvaluing your teams prospects is common place in here.
Ward
August 17th, 2012
4:06 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan – Take me down all you want…….After all your the correct one! little humor.
Shaun
August 17th, 2012
4:07 pm
Efrim, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Braves go with Reed Johnson in some sort of platoon role in leftfield next season. If they can get a really good hitting left-handed leftfielder, I could see them hanging on to Johnson as a platoon partner/backup outfielder.
phil
August 17th, 2012
4:07 pm
Robert = doofus and moron
Mantle = Chipper
DAP
August 17th, 2012
4:07 pm
other players to be inducted on first ballot include George Brett, Eddie Murray, Mike Schmidt, Wade Boggs…you have to be an idiot no to realize that Chipper certainly belongs in the same class as these guys.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 17th, 2012
4:08 pm
We won’t be so bad when we’re Chipperless next year…
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Braves were 4-8 in the first 12 games Chipper did not play this year. They’ve gone 10-2 in the 12 games he’s not played since 6/10 @k21cdm
David O'Brien
August 17th, 2012
4:10 pm
Braves lineup: Bourn CF, Prado LF, Heyward RF, Jones 3B, Freeman 1B, Uggla 2B, Ross C, Janish SS, Hanson P
Shaun
August 17th, 2012
4:11 pm
Can ANYBODY here, besides me, acknowledge that Chipper Jones isnt NEARLY as special to fans in other markets as he is to the Braves nation?
Sure. Isn’t that the case with most players? They are going to be more special to the fans in their own city?
But what does the perception of Chipper matter? All that matters is that he does things that lead to the Braves’ scoring and/or preventing runs and therefore is helping them win. I could care less about a player’s perception. If some fan doesn’t realize a player’s actual value as a ballplayer, I might debate them but I could really care less. As long as the Braves organization is properly valuing players.
Ward
August 17th, 2012
4:11 pm
Did anyone read DOB article on how well Francisco been doing? He could be the hitter we need next year? I think we should go with Fancisco, and see what he can do. Not causing any thing. Just an idea I seem to like right now.
MFin04
August 17th, 2012
4:11 pm
“The classifications of guys into 1’s, 2’s, 3’s, etc. has nothing to do with contract. Yes, if you’re a GM, you do have to consider contract. But this is a completely separate issue from where to classify a starting pitcher, in scouting terms.”
Sure it does. Classification of guys has to impact their contract. I’m not sure how it couldn’t. Your 1’s are going to get paid the most, and 5’s the least. It is also why the Braves have to figure out how to get inexpensive #2’s/3’s, or develop young cheap 1’s and 2’s.
Braves absolutely cannot afford to pay a legit #1. Maybe a #2 but I doubt it. I don’t really have a problem with that though. If #3’s can win you games and their affordability allows you to sign a good offense and bullpen, then that sounds good to me.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 17th, 2012
4:12 pm
No Juan wants Francisco to start next year!
N8
August 17th, 2012
4:13 pm
“So now some on here will be satisfied if Teheran ends up as a #2 starter?”
Why the obsession with labeling pitchers a #1 or a #5 or whatever?
You know what I want? I want 6 starting pitchers in my organization that can go out every 5th day and give their team an above average chance of winning EVERY time the take the mound. Everybody has injuries. Thus the desire for 6 of them.
That’s what I want out of Teheran. I want him to be a guy that while a Brave for the 6 years he’s under control pitches well enough so the offense and defense can do their jobs.
Those obsessed with needing a true Ace are kidding themselves. For a decade the Braves had a rotation with 3 Aces in it and won 1 world series.
Is Medlen a #1 type guy? Nope. But he’s pitching like it.
Is Maholm a #1 type guy? Nope. But he’s pitching like it.
Is Huddy a #1 type guy? Not any more. But the Braves have a chance to win everytime he takes the mound.
Is Minor a #1 guy? Nope. But lately he looks like he’ll have a servicable MLB career.
Is Beachy a #1 guy? Sure seemed like it to me. But the pundits will tell you he’s not.
How about Hanson and JJ? Absolutely not.
But if JJ was simply league average this year, there would have been no need to go get Maholm.
Too many people putting too high of expectations on individuals to carry a team. Why not just put a really good 25 man roster together, play solid baseball for 162 games, make the playoffs and hope 2 pitchers and 3 hitters get hot? Seems to be a recipe for sustained success.
I couldn’t care less if Teheran ends up a #1 starter or simply 1/5 of a really good rotation.
Keith Law can kiss my backside. Which is why I couldn’t give two sh!ts less about what he has to say.
Ward
August 17th, 2012
4:16 pm
Just floating some ideas, but think Mejia! Would be better than Hinske next season, and save some more money for Bourn. All, have a good one! Good talking, and Peace my Friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tonight after game.
Bama Braves
August 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
If Ross Has A Good Game Tonight He Should Start The Rest Of The Year So MacCann Can Rest!
Big Nick
August 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
I can see a Denard Span for Randall Delgado deal this offseason. Makes sense for both clubs.
Venice Jim
August 17th, 2012
4:18 pm
First Ballot Inductees since 1990:
Jim Palmer Rod Carew Tom Seaver Reggie Jackson Steve Carlton Mike Schmidt George Brett
Nolan Ryan Robin Yount Kirby Puckett Dave Winfield Ozzie Smith Eddie Murray Dennis Eckersley Paul Molitor Wade Boggs Tony Gwynn Cal Ripken, Jr. Rickey Henderson
Every single one Mickey Mantle’s equal…
Efrim
August 17th, 2012
4:19 pm
Why the obsession with labeling pitchers a #1 or a #5 or whatever?
It’s called projection and evaluating players. It’s what your GM does. He doesn’t sit there and say “he gives us a chance to win” and leaves it at that.
I mean, this is insane. You folks really think it’s as simple as “gives us a chance to win”? How many jobs in the front office do you think there is? 2? It’s really not as simple as this, guys. If you want bloggers to stop commenting on stuff like this, then why are we here? My god, what else is there to talk about? Just Monday Morning Quarterback stuff? Come on. That’s lame. Anyone can review the past games results and analyze.
The front of the rotation, middle of the rotationa nd back of the rotation labels are important when evaluating talent. If you don;t like it, then that’s fine. But that’s the way it works in player development, scouting, player analysis, whether you like it or not.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 17th, 2012
4:20 pm
Bama Braves: No way in he** should that happen.
I can see a Denard Span for Randall Delgado deal this offseason. Makes sense for both clubs.
No it doesn’t. Denard Span isn’t a good enough hitter to justify trading RD for him… esp. since he can’t hit on the road.
David O'Brien
August 17th, 2012
4:22 pm
NEW BLOGGAGE
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/08/17/chipper-could-be-first-since-georgia-peach-to-hit-320-in-final-season/
Lew
August 17th, 2012
4:22 pm
Nathan – Longwinded as is your style, but you ain’t wrong.
Big Nick
August 17th, 2012
4:23 pm
I hope the Braves can get Wade Davis this offseason too…he would give them more versatility as a reliever or starter ala Medlen. They probably want Betancourt but the Braves wont do that.
JC Brave
August 17th, 2012
4:25 pm
Red Sox Release Mark Prior
The Red Sox have released right-hander Mark Prior, according to Brendan McGair of the Pawtucket Times (via Twitter). The move was made in order to create space for the newly-acquired Pedro Beato.
Prior, 31, hooked on with the Red Sox in early May as he looked to attempt yet another comeback. During his time in Triple-A Pawtucket, Prior posted a 3.96 ERA with 13.7 K/9 and 8.3 BB/9 in a small sample size of 25 innings of work. The second-overall pick in 2001 was brilliant in the early portion of his career but has not pitched in the majors since 2006 thanks to a series of shoulder problems.
Mark Prior, an example of what could be the future of Tommy Hanson.
MFin04
August 17th, 2012
4:25 pm
N8 – Bingo! Give me a bunch of pitchers who can win games and lets do this thing. Let’s go win us a division!
Jay Dubu
August 17th, 2012
4:28 pm
Mac sure is getting a lot of rest this season. Should be nice and fresh for the stretch run.
BF54
August 17th, 2012
4:31 pm
Nice blogging today,Thanks D O’B et al.
I’m feeling good about 69 wins in the middle of July and the progress so many of our players have made at playing the game this year
Shaun
August 17th, 2012
4:32 pm
Sure it does. Classification of guys has to impact their contract. I’m not sure how it couldn’t. Your 1’s are going to get paid the most, and 5’s the least. It is also why the Braves have to figure out how to get inexpensive #2’s/3’s, or develop young cheap 1’s and 2’s.
Yes. But contract doesn’t affect how a guy is classified, nor should it. I agree that as a GM you have to consider contract and what a guy is in terms of what you can and should pay him.
N8, the classifications are just the way scouts and evaluators make things easy so you don’t have to explain everything in detail. If a scout tells his organization that a certain pitcher is a #2, everyone knows what he means. He doesn’t have to go about explaining his repertoire, his durability, his make-up, etc. You may not care but this is the way the language of scouting works. In fact, this is the way most language works. It simplifies things out in the real world so people can communicate and know exactly what another person is referring to.
It matters because if numerous scouts tell a GM that some prospect is most likely a #4 instead of a #2, he might be more willing to trade him or trade for him, just to give an example. It just makes it easier. A scout doesn’t have to start explaining, “well, this pitcher’s fastball is like this, his curveball is like this, he’s durable enough and knows how to pitch enough to get him through this many innings, etc.” He can just say, “I think he’s a #4,” and the GM knows more or less what he means.
BF54
August 17th, 2012
4:45 pm
Of course I meant to say middle of August
David O'Brien
August 17th, 2012
5:48 pm
Evan Gattis will play OF in Venezuelan winter ball, and also catch about once a week to retain those skills….
Braves think Christian Bethancourt will be ready to play at some point during winter ball season, after 6-8 weeks of recovery for broken hand and then some time in Instructional League.
Stewart Vlasak
May 4th, 2013
7:31 pm
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