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Jay Dubu
August 15th, 2012
5:21 pm
“Frank Wren should not give Bourn and Boras what they want, which will be AT LEAST five years, and 75 million. ”
If the Braves can get Bourn at that price, they’ll sign him…but he’ll get more than that.
mpimentel
August 15th, 2012
5:21 pm
the only bad news from mulki suspention is that the braves won’t have the pleassure to send him to the ground after a hit by pitch…..it’s funny when a good moment can switch against you in a cliq…oh , sorry thats for you mulki…jajajajajajajaja
Heisenberg
August 15th, 2012
5:22 pm
The reality is Ryan Braun kept his MVP award so the SF baseball Giants will not have to forfeit wins.
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:23 pm
Boras negotiations will probably start around six years and 150 million, ,,coach
are you nuts? no way in hell he gets 25 mil per year for 6 seasons
Jerry
August 15th, 2012
5:24 pm
Uh oh. King Felix has a perfect game after 7 innings.
Heisenberg
August 15th, 2012
5:24 pm
But there is a mystery team see. There is always a mystery team.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
August 15th, 2012
5:24 pm
I would trade Tomy Hanson for Billy Hamilton straight up…….in a heartbeat and never even give it a second thought.
Efrim
August 15th, 2012
5:26 pm
I would trade Tomy Hanson for Billy Hamilton straight up…….in a heartbeat and never even give it a second thought.
Reds would never do it. He’s their CF of the future. He’s not a SS.
MFin04
August 15th, 2012
5:26 pm
Yep 5/$75 for Bourn is the max the Braves will go.
And yes Harper’s swing is about as bad as Hanson’s delivery. Both unwatchable.
Brave New World
August 15th, 2012
5:27 pm
Melky would like all Braves fans to know his obnoxious behavior at Turner Field was just the testerone talking.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
August 15th, 2012
5:27 pm
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:23 pm
Boras negotiations will probably start around six years and 150 million, ,,coach
are you nuts? no way in hell he gets 25 mil per year for 6 seasons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You’re right, Bourn will get even more. Closer to eight eight years and 150-160 million.
phil
August 15th, 2012
5:28 pm
I would trade Paul Yanish for David Wright straight up……in a heartbeat and never even give it a second thought.
Now why we don’t pull the trigger on it, you’ll have to ask Wren.
Efrim
August 15th, 2012
5:28 pm
I don’t think Hanson is going to net us elite prospects, but we’ll get decent value for the guy if they decide to trade him. Way too many teams out there with terrible starting rotations and a few of them actually want to compete in the near future – Kansas City, Baltimore, Toronto, etc.
bfred
August 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
Make the team pay the suspended player’s foregone compensation to the league. You’ll see teams get serious about self-policing real fast if they still have to pay the salary but don’t have the player.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
August 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
Efrim
August 15th, 2012
5:26 pm
I would trade Tomy Hanson for Billy Hamilton straight up…….in a heartbeat and never even give it a second thought.
Reds would never do it. He’s their CF of the future. He’s not a SS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You’re probably correct, but it won’t stop me from trying.
old man
August 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
Melky, Melky, Melky. You’re living proof that you can’t polish a turd.
Well, you can actually, for a little while. But eventually you get caught.
It must be the smell.
Efrim
August 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
You’re right, Bourn will get even more. Closer to eight eight years and 150-160 million.
?!??!?!?!?!?!
Can’t. Be. Serious.
Brave New World
August 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
5 years for Bourn at $75 million is $15 million per year. If some other team wants to pay more, let him go. He’s a very good player but not worth breaking the bank.
David O'Brien
August 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
Well, to his credit, at least Melky didn’t make a bunch of B.S. excuses or say his sample was mishandled, etc:
His statement: “My positive test was the result of my use of a substance I should not have used. I accept my suspension under the Joint Drug Program and I will try to move on with my life. I am deeply sorry for my mistake and I apologize to my teammates, to the San Francisco Giants organization and to the fans for letting them down
mpimentel
August 15th, 2012
5:30 pm
if the braves can get bourn to 8-10 mill’s per season for 4 years could be good…if the price is higher forget it!…we can live with: C mccann 1b freeman 2d uggla 3b francisco SS simmons Rf heyward Cf johnson Lf prado…ouch!!!
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 15th, 2012
5:30 pm
1991 Braves Why McCant gets a free pass
A “FREE PASS”?? Are you saying everybody around here gives BMac a “free pass”? Landnegotions…What Blog are you reading? BMac gets more crap than anyone save for a few former managers and presidents…Even when he’s doing good, somebody’s got some kind of nonsense to spew about him and how he’s declining and obese and what have you.
Do not even TRY to tell me that BMac gets a free pass. Don’t even try it. It’s just not true.
peanut
August 15th, 2012
5:31 pm
He will be 30 before the year is out. Signing him to a 6- or 7-year contract as the blogger mentions/suggests the team would like to do is complete lunacy. Even 4 years is too long.
At 34 he won’t be stealing bases like the last few years, which is what you are paying top dollar for.
Shaun
August 15th, 2012
5:31 pm
Efrim, could you give me some examples from April/May of 2010?
Also, are you seriously all that concerned right now and do you think we should be or do you think we are moving to the area of concern with regard to Heyward, at this point?
Heyward’s career wRC+ is 120. Since 1900 only 15 rightfielders have put up better offensive production through age 22.
(I used wRC+ from Fangraphs instead of OPS+ because it’s easier to do sorting on their site. I doubt you would get drastically different results if you used OPS+.)
I honestly don’t think the Braves’ front office is near a state of concern at this point in his career, knowing how smart front offices seem these days and how smart the Braves front office seems to be. I think they understand evaluation better than the fan base and have a better understanding that the fan base as to what batting average and RBI do and don’t tell us.
Brave New World
August 15th, 2012
5:31 pm
Phil: Janish for Wright? I like the way you’re thinking.
MFin04
August 15th, 2012
5:31 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Bourn get $100 million.
Crawford 7/$142
Werth 7/$126
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:31 pm
You’re right, Bourn will get even more. Closer to eight eight years and 150-160 million.
still an idiot, I say he will not get 25+mil so you say he will get more than that, and cite 20 mil. That is not more than 25 you know?
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
August 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
phil
August 15th, 2012
5:28 pm
I would trade Paul Yanish for David Wright straight up……in a heartbeat and never even give it a second thought.
Now why we don’t pull the trigger on it, you’ll have to ask Wren.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Or we could trade Heyward for a box of rocks………your turn
MFin04
August 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
McCann gets more of free pass than most. Certainly more than Uggla and probably Heyward.
David O'Brien
August 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
DOB-
Has there been any word on MattE’s surgery? — cabravesfan
Asked Fredi, he hadn’t even heard anything. So much other stuff going on, and Diaz is going to be out rest of the season anyway — 8-week recovery, so really no way he’d be a factor in postseason. Tough way for it to end, if this is it for Diaz with the Braves.
Shaun
August 15th, 2012
5:33 pm
Reds would never do it. He’s their CF of the future. He’s not a SS.
Efrim, I agree here. Everything about Hamilton and his profile screams centerfield, from what I hear and read.
He’s not a good enough fielder for shortstop, he probably doesn’t hit enough for secondbase. Centerfield is where he belongs.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 15th, 2012
5:35 pm
MFin04—
He does not. People trash BMac all the time. That’s not to say Uggla and Heyward don’t get more than their share of hate, too…
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:35 pm
Enter your comments here
phil
August 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
Postseason?
We might wanna qualify for it this year before we sell those tickets….
mpimentel
August 15th, 2012
5:37 pm
FA Third basemen’s list 2013
Geoff Blum (39)
Miguel Cairo (39)
Eric Chavez (35)
Mark DeRosa (38)
Brandon Inge (36)
Maicer Izturis (32)
Jose Lopez (29)
Placido Polanco (37) – $5.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Mark Reynolds (29) – $11MM club option with a $500K buyout
Scott Rolen (38)
Mark Teahen (31)
Miguel Tejada (39)
Ty Wigginton (35) – $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
David Wright (30) – $16MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Kevin Youkilis (34) – $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
I don’t see any 3B sign for this winter season
David O'Brien
August 15th, 2012
5:37 pm
King Felix perfect through 7 for Mariners.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
August 15th, 2012
5:38 pm
That’s right, Carl Crawford got seven years and 142 million. So if anybody thinks Boras isn’t going to up the ante…….you are only fooling yourself.
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:39 pm
if they get a third baseman it would likely be a trade, but I think they will move Prado there and try for outfielders in a trade
phil
August 15th, 2012
5:39 pm
Buffet Brian is getting much worse bashing this year than Heyward….not even close since the end of May.
Uggly leads the way at present.
If Brian doesn’t get with it soon, I feel sorry for him.
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:40 pm
ok coach let’s have a little bet on whether Bourn gets the 25+ mil you say he will. Name your terms.
phil
August 15th, 2012
5:40 pm
Boras can up the ante all he wants….
Doesn’t mean any team has to be dumb enough to agree to something stupid.
mpimentel
August 15th, 2012
5:41 pm
I guess fransisco will be at 3rd…unless a prado move to the infield and a sign of an outfielder FA
there’s the list of LF
Left fielders
Jay Gibbons (36)
Jonny Gomes (32)
Scott Hairston (33)
Josh Hamilton (32)
Willie Harris (35)
Brad Hawpe (34)
Eric Hinske (35)
Conor Jackson (31)
Reed Johnson (36)
Andruw Jones (36)
Austin Kearns (33)
Mark Kotsay (37)
Carlos Lee (37)
Fred Lewis (32)
Ryan Ludwick (34) – mutual option for 2013
Juan Pierre (35)
Juan Rivera (34) – $4MM club option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
Delmon Young (27)
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 15th, 2012
5:41 pm
phil If Brian doesn’t get with it soon, I feel sorry for him.
I already do…he looks so sad after every out…
David O'Brien
August 15th, 2012
5:42 pm
Unfortunately, there was no Melky apology for the crotch chop or for generally being a horse’s rear during the series vs. Braves.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
August 15th, 2012
5:43 pm
Anyway, I’ve already stuck around too long—gotta get ready for Church, Holy Day and all…
See y’all……tomorrow! Go Braves! GO BMAC!!…
cabravesfan
August 15th, 2012
5:43 pm
DOB-
Thanks. I know he’s done for the year and probably as a Brave- too bad, I really like him.
mpimentel
August 15th, 2012
5:43 pm
but forget about the roster moves let’s live this season…GO BRAVES….
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:44 pm
No Prado at third
Jerry
August 15th, 2012
5:44 pm
7 1/3 in the books
Jay Dubu
August 15th, 2012
5:44 pm
Braves should by some powerball tickets for tonight’s drawing…if they win, they could sign Bourn, no problems.
Jerry
August 15th, 2012
5:44 pm
7 2/3 in the books.
Shaun
August 15th, 2012
5:44 pm
[Harper] has one of the most horrendous swings in all of baseball. That is a solid fact.
Define “horrendous swings.” Because his swing is ugly and not appealing to you that means it doesn’t and will never do the job?
You said the exact same stuff about Heyward. Exact same line, Shaun. Yet, now, we have 97
OPS+ hitter through his first two big league seasons and I fail to understand how a once-in-a-generation type talent produces such and is reasonable expectations. I’m sorry, I just can’t get there man. And I get that it’s early in his career and it was his age 20 and 21 year old seasons.
Let’s go back a generation, by the dictionary definition, 30 years. Only four players accumulated more value in the majors through age 22 than Heyward: A-Rod, Griffey, Andruw, Ripken and Pujols. Heyward is just ahead of Alomar, Stanton, Ryan Zimmerman, Elvis Andrus and Miguel Cabrera.
Now, obviously that doesn’t mean he’s destined for the Hall of Fame or anything. But there is absolutely nothing in his performance so far that indicates he’s not a once-in-a-generation-type talent.
Also, let’s be clear on the difference between talent and getting the results. Josh Hamilton was that once-in-a-generation-type talent. He didn’t start getting any sort of results, much less something approaching his talent level, until age 26.
space monkey
August 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
The interesting thing about the Melky situation is that hardly anyone suspected him of using PEDs. Instead, we—fans, players, journalists—all bought the cover story that he was a lazy POS who decided to actually get in shape for once. That totally proves what a lazy POS he really is.
phil
August 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
Diaz has long been a favorite of mine. He plays like he gives a hoot…
As for Melky, what a bonehead. A mistake? Hardly.
mpimentel
August 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
no DOB…unfortunately any braves pitch will send him to DL after a hit by picth to HER head!!!….yes her head…
Heisenberg
August 15th, 2012
5:46 pm
Crawford & Bourn are lifelong friends. Michael knows what Carl got and he may not quite get 142M, but we all know how friends like to compete with each other.
cabravesfan
August 15th, 2012
5:46 pm
no DOB…unfortunately any braves pitch will send him to DL after a hit by picth to HER head!!!….yes her head…
Jerry
August 15th, 2012
5:47 pm
Through 8 innings, King Felix rocking the perfecto.
BFChris27
August 15th, 2012
5:47 pm
Perfect through 8!!!!!!!!!!
mpimentel
August 15th, 2012
5:48 pm
this is the season…I have a felling for this season, don’t know why!!…let’s go bravos
David O'Brien
August 15th, 2012
5:50 pm
Pefecto through 8 for King Felix
Heisenberg
August 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
Rays seem to be involved in no-hitters all the time, either being no-hit or one of theirs throwing a no-no.
Jay Dubu
August 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
The Braves have a couple of players @ Gwinnett that will get a look on the Braves, or some other team next season…
Durango .290 avg 41 SB – 26 years old
Mejia .304 avg 24 HR – 27 (on Dec 2) year old righty
It’s time to let them play, or let them go.
Brave New World
August 15th, 2012
5:53 pm
Melky says there was a big misunderstanding the last time he visited Turner Field. That was not a crotch chop, it was the testosterone necessitating him to adjust the jingle in his bells.
Heisenberg
August 15th, 2012
5:54 pm
King Felix does not impress McCayla Maroney.
David O'Brien
August 15th, 2012
5:54 pm
I guess fransisco will be at 3rd…unless a prado move to the infield and a sign of an outfielder FA
there’s the list of LF –mpimentel
Or Wren will fill 3B or LF the way he often fills a need — via a trade that no one saw coming.
Shaun
August 15th, 2012
5:54 pm
Efrim, I associated talent with tools and skills. And not just being a toolsy player but also displaying some baseball skills as well.
Bryce Harper, Jason Heyward, Mike Trout, Stephen Strasburg…they are all once-in-a-generation-type talents. Will they all get the results that send them to the Hall of Fame? Well, if it was just about talent, we would say yes. But it takes more than talent. It takes health, it takes not getting in to trouble off the field, it takes all sorts of things.
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:54 pm
Durango will prolly be elsewhere next season. I’d like to see them give Mejia a shot in ST see what he can do
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
FOX Sports: MLB @MLBONFOX
24 UP, 24 DOWN. #Mariners @RealKingFelix is just 3 outs away from making perfect history.
David O'Brien
August 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
Boras can up the ante all he wants….
Doesn’t mean any team has to be dumb enough to agree to something stupid. — phil
We saw that every winter. And every winter, almost every single big-name client of his gets as much or more than we thought possible. All it takes is one team, and Boras always finds at least one team and one other (named or otherwise) to play off of. It’s why he’s the best at what he does.
nolie
August 15th, 2012
5:57 pm
do you think he can beat Crawford’s contract , and if so by how much?
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
5:59 pm
BMac gets more crap than anyone
I think Uggla gets a little more…. but I get your point.
Thanks. I know he’s done for the year and probably as a Brave- too bad
Not really too bad, at a business level. He didn’t perform too well this year. I will miss him though, he seemed to have a good personality. We can do better than him for next year though (hopefully Reed)
Jerry
August 15th, 2012
5:59 pm
8 1/3 down
BFChris27
August 15th, 2012
6:00 pm
1 Down
nolie
August 15th, 2012
6:00 pm
shoulda traded Delgado for Felix Rex
Jerry
August 15th, 2012
6:01 pm
one more out to go!!!!!!!
BFChris27
August 15th, 2012
6:01 pm
2 Down
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
6:01 pm
2 down, 1 to go
cabravesfan
August 15th, 2012
6:01 pm
TOBF-
You left out the part where I said I liked him
Guess it wasn’t clear that I meant it is too bad because I like him…from a team sense, yes, it does make sense
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
YES!
BFChris27
August 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
Perfect Game
Jerry
August 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
The king did it!!!!!!! What a game!!!!!
Doubter
August 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
Boras knows the Braves can’t compete with some teams who are capable of paying rediculous salaries so he will work with the bigger spenders to sell Bourn’s services.
I think the Braves should not offer a multi year high cost contract to any one player but use that money to sign several other players and that will be more of an advantage to the team.
David O'Brien
August 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
Perfection!
cabravesfan
August 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
Good for Felix Hernandez. He’s been so good for such a bad team, it is nice to see him get some love
kelevra
August 15th, 2012
6:04 pm
it seems like evey perfect game/no hitter involves the rays or the mariners
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
6:04 pm
Ah, yes, my mistake cab… I’ll miss him too, but it doesn’t make sense to keep him around. I appreciate what he did for us while he was here though.
Greinke can do that multiple times in a year for us when he’s a Brave
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
6:05 pm
ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
1st season in MLB history in which there were 3 perfect games (Humber, Cain, Felix Hernandez)
cabravesfan
August 15th, 2012
6:05 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Note to 29 teams: No, the Mariners are still not interested in trading Felix Hernandez.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
6:06 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Note to 29 teams: No, the Mariners are still not interested in trading Felix Hernandez.
So let’s get Zack, the next greatest thing. No prospects required!
cabravesfan
August 15th, 2012
6:06 pm
Wow- Felix has thrown 3 complete game shut outs since June 28th
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
6:08 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Baggarly is strong. RT @TylerPenley: @ajcbraves Giants beat writer @CSNBaggs reported it a few weeks ago, Melky denied in an interview then
Melk Jerk.
nolie
August 15th, 2012
6:08 pm
Uggla = 13
Bourn = 25
Greinke = 22
good thing Hinske and Diaz are coming off the payroll…..
Jerry
August 15th, 2012
6:08 pm
King Felix telling the crowd that he did it for them. Special moment.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
6:08 pm
MLB @MLB
King Felix’s line: 9 IP, 0 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 12 K’s – SIMPLY PERFECT! http://atmlb.com/TFE5Ki
12 Ks…. Sweet
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 15th, 2012
6:09 pm
Andrew Baggarly
@CSNBaggs
There’s a rumor on Twitter that Melky Cabrera will be suspended for positive PED test. I asked Melky and he said it’s totally untrue. …
brian
August 15th, 2012
6:09 pm
see you Melk dud!!
Couch Tater
August 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
King Felix steals Melky’s lead story. Bud is jumping up and down.
nolie
August 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
well it wasn’t technically true back then, the appeal was likely pending and he mighta gotten out of it
Shaun
August 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
It may very well come down to whether Bourn wants to take less to stay with the Braves. I think it’s pretty clear the Braves will make him a solid offer. It’s not unheard of for a Boras client to just sign where he wants, without regard to getting the absolute best deal. See Jered Weaver. But you can bet Boras will get this best deal that he can from that team.
Sundrop Kid
August 15th, 2012
6:11 pm
In his vast and much ballyhooed wisdom, the ‘SUNDROP KID’ is inclined to believe that one Mr. Melky Cabrera is most unfortunately(fortunately also) guilty of said charges. Fits in perfectly with his modus operandi.