Braves drop series-opener to Padres – updated

If the Braves looked a little sluggish Monday night, it’s probably because they were.

Their flight landed in Atlanta about 3 a.m. after they played the Sunday night ESPN game in New York. They were the one looking like a team just in from the west coast.

The San Diego Padres came in fresh and not just from a late-afternoon flight from Pittsburgh, but from three straight series wins over the Mets, Cubs and Pirates. The resurgent Padres continued their good work Monday at Turner Field with a 4-1 win over the Braves.

The Braves opened a seven-game homestand against the Padres and Dodgers with a dud. They fell to 2-13 on Mondays, losing for the first time in three straight Mondays while they’ve worn their socks up for luck.

The Braves lost for only the fifth time in their past 19 games and for the first time in back-to-back games since July 22 and 23.

Left-hander Eric Stults was just the kind of pitcher to get under the Braves skin, mixing in a host of offspeed pitches – including some 67 mph curveballs – to keep a weary and maybe impatient team from mustering much.

“He frustrated us,” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said. “He got us out of our normal game plan of seeing pitches and working the count a little bit, getting deep in the count….We weren’t our normal selves.”

The Braves managed only one hit through the first five innings on a Chipper Jones single to left and three hits through the first seven innings. They didn’t score until Stults made his 101st pitch of the night to Martin Prado in the eighth. Prado tripled to right field to score Michael Bourn, who’s reached on a two-out infield hit.

“Sometimes you look up on the radar and you see 69 (mph) and 78 and 86 and you think, ‘Man this guy doesn’t have much,’” Jones said. “But when you’re locating and changing speeds, and staying ahead of hitters, it’s a pretty good formula for being effective that night. He was certainly that.”

Stults had pitched 13 scoreless innings in two starts since moving back into the Padres rotation from the bullpen until those back-to-back hits by Bourn and Prado. Now 3-2 with a 2.41 ERA as a Padres starter, he won for the first time in two starts against the Braves in his first start against them since 2009 with the Dodgers.

“Everybody came back (to the dugout) saying the same thing, ‘Ah, just missed it,’” said Jones, who felt like he “just missed” on a flyout to center to strand two runners in the sixth. “At some point, how about somebody not missing it.”

The Braves came only four outs away from being shut out for the second time in a week, after Cole Hamels pitched a complete-game shutout against them Tuesday in Philadelphia, the last time Mike Minor started.

For the second straight outing, Minor was good but not quite good enough and left trailing 3-0. He gave up three runs in the first inning of a 3-0 loss to Philadelphia on Tuesday and followed that up Monday by allowing three runs in six innings against the Padres.

This time it wasn’t one inning that got him but allowing the leadoff man to reach in four of the six innings he pitched. The leadoff man scored three times, including twice after Chris Denorfia had lead off with extra-base hits and once when pitcher Stults singled.

Minor didn’t walk a batter, he hit one and struck out three but gave up nine hits.

The Padres chipped away at him, using a double past a back-handed try from Jones to manufacture a run in the second inning. Minor struck out Nick Hundley to wriggle out of a bases-loaded jam in the fourth inning but the Padres came back with another run in the fifth after Stults led off with a single.

“I feel like there was a lot of bad luck tonight and a mixture of good hitting on their part, putting the ball in play,” said Minor, who is 2-3 despite a 2.45 ERA in his past seven starts since July 5. “But I feel like I made some quality pitches and just didn’t have good outcomes.”

Padres third baseman Chase Headley, just named National League player of the week Monday afternoon, continued his hot streak by going 2-for-4 with a home run and two RBIs. His solo shot off reliever Chad Durbin in the seventh gave him four home runs and 12 RBIs in his past seven games.

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GRAPHITE

August 13th, 2012
10:07 pm

The Braves are lowering the flaps and starting their annual nose dive.

Norm

August 13th, 2012
10:08 pm

Gonzalez needs be a manager, put old Marlin loyalty aside and sit Uggla for a series. The bottom end of the lineup is not producing and its going to cost us if its not taken care of. Bring Prado into to play second and put Johnson in LF. Hopefully Simmons back soon for better defense up the middle and a much needed bat in the bottom of the order. Uggla should realize his slump is hurting the team. If the offense doesn’t get a jump start it won’t survive the stretch with the Giants and Nats. Glad to hear that after the 6 man rotation, the “best” 5 will setup for starts in September. Again, sit Uggla now and let him clear his head…so he’s ready for the stretch.

drew

August 13th, 2012
10:09 pm

mike

August 13th, 2012
10:10 pm

This team has no guts. No kick a– guy in the clubhouse to let them know they need to play hard every game. Same problem they’ve had for the past couple of years. Too bad because they have the talent, they just don’t have the heart.

mike

August 13th, 2012
10:10 pm

This team has no guts. No kick a– guy in the clubhouse to let them know they need to play hard every game. Same problem they’ve had for the past couple of years. Too bad because they have the talent, they just don’t have the heart.

mike

August 13th, 2012
10:10 pm

This team has no guts. No kick a– guy in the clubhouse to let them know they need to play hard every game. Same problem they’ve had for the past couple of years. Too bad because they have the talent, they just don’t have the heart.

Billy the Kid

August 13th, 2012
10:13 pm

Having played for 9 years in the majors, every team has to travel and gets home late, but the Braves ahd zero energy tonight. If they expect to make the playoffs they must find a way to beat these teams.

lee maye

August 13th, 2012
10:14 pm

Fredi needs to get Reed Johnson in the lineup somewhere tomorrow night. This team can’t hit lefties except Santana. With 4 lefties that can’t hit lefties, Uggla who can’t hit period; Prado slumping; a SS who can’t hit anyone, that only leaves Chipper against lefties.

Bench one of the lefties or Uggla or both, let Prado play 2B and give Pastornicky a chance. He at least hits .260.

Uggla is down to .213 but to hear our announcers talk, he is ripping the ball.

Norm

August 13th, 2012
10:17 pm

lee maye…agree would rather have Pastornicky’s bat right now than Jannish’s glove

Billy the Kid

August 13th, 2012
10:18 pm

Uggla takes to many pitches, get himself in the hole and then starts swinging at anything close. I agree he needs to sit for a few games and clear his head. We’re getting this for $11 million a year, I hope they dig deep and keep Bourn nest year!!

Carl Farvman

August 13th, 2012
10:20 pm

“Uggla is down to .213 but to hear our announcers talk, he is ripping the ball”

Most of our TV Radio guys are useless. They see a totally different game than most of the viewers. I can’s listen to any of them for long. Uggla is not a top tier player and does not warrant top tier salary. To have him on fire a couple months a year is a joke.

Zaniqua

August 13th, 2012
10:23 pm

Yeah the broadcast booth shills are doing everything they can to prop Uggs up. Also I’ve noticed lately when he steps up to the plate to bat they’ll show his August batting average rather than his cumulative season BA. Pathetic.

Carl Farvman

August 13th, 2012
10:24 pm

Look like Fredi and Frank need to go.

Carl Farvman

August 13th, 2012
10:26 pm

“Also I’ve noticed lately when he steps up to the plate to bat they’ll show his August batting average rather than his cumulative season BA. Pathetic.”

Yeah, when you hear them proclaim something like: “Over the last 13 games,…………….” Well, they’re playing games with statistics. I stop listening.

bulldogbubba

August 13th, 2012
10:30 pm

I am sure all teams know if you throw a pitch in the dirt Jason Heyward will swing at it every time! Two days in a row with men on base, pitiful.

DawgNole

August 13th, 2012
10:30 pm

Zaniqua
August 13th, 2012
10:23 pm

Yeah the broadcast booth shills are doing everything they can to prop Uggs up. Also I’ve noticed lately when he steps up to the plate to bat they’ll show his August batting average rather than his cumulative season BA. Pathetic.
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During postgame, they immediately fell back on the old “late game last night” excuse.

And I thought the Hawks’ shills were bad.

Felix

August 13th, 2012
10:33 pm

I am also tired of our broadcast team trying to cover up for the awful year Uggla is having. Why are they doing it? Do they think we are complete idiots? Call it like it is. He sucks. That’s one reason I loved Skip Caray; he didn’t sugarcoat.

lee maye

August 13th, 2012
10:34 pm

Agree, Fredi needs to shake up the lineup tomorrow night against another lefty. Put Pastornicky at SS and Prado at 2B and Reed in LF and Ross at C. And, they will probably win.

Felix

August 13th, 2012
10:39 pm

Braves are tired from getting in late last night huh? Boo, hoo, hoo.
I wonder how many hard working parents were up until 3 a.m. last night with a sick kid and then went to work today and did their job making a small fraction of what the average Brave makes?

least of the east

August 13th, 2012
10:42 pm

Braves offense is on and off. now it’s back in off mode. can’t hit lefties unless they are coming off surgery.
before the seaon ends, they’ll make it exciting. will go down to last weekend to decide wildcard.
why they were on ESPN vs mets is another question. they couldn’t chnge it weeks ago when they saw the Mets were a non issue ? I knew they would have excuse for tonight and they didn’t miss it.
Uggla had about a 31 game hitting streak last season and now he can’t hit in 2 straight.

Brave@Heart

August 13th, 2012
10:45 pm

Looks like Sep. may be coming earily this year.

JJBantam

August 13th, 2012
10:49 pm

I think Braves radio/TV guys pretty much have orders from upstairs to paint a happy face on everything. Maybe someday they’ll realize the true baseball fan wants to dissect the good AND the bad. That’s the way they do it in most of the bigger markets.

Norm

August 13th, 2012
10:52 pm

Thank goodness for Uggla’s 31 game streak last year or his lifetime average with the Braves would be about .210. Something has to change or we’re paying 11M a year for a shot at the mendoza line. The way things are going Braves would be better served putting Pastornicky at 2nd (where his defense would be solid enough) when Simmons gets back.

Mister Frisky

August 13th, 2012
10:55 pm

Thought Uggly was at 13 mil a year.

BierBreth

August 13th, 2012
11:08 pm

And the Braves phoned in another one to a sub- .500 team, this time to a team with a for-against run ratio of -54. That is the mark of a team that will not win any game of any importance because they have no passion. The Nationals are a much better team all-around.

DaveinNEPA

August 13th, 2012
11:10 pm

I agree that Uggla needs to sit and clear his head but since he gets premium money, it’s not gonna happen. Thats called ’salary politics”. Sitting him is the same as admitting that the GM who traded for him and then signed him for the big money made a mistake. Once again, not gonna happen.

Uggla isn’t the only balckhole in the lineup…..McCann and Janish couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat either. But, then again, Janish wasn’t acquired for his bat, just a stopgap until Simmons is ready to play. Pastornicky isn’t going to provide enough offense to make up for his lack of defense.

older1

August 13th, 2012
11:12 pm

IF you are left handed hitter and can’t hit left handed pitchers you should not be in the MAJOR LEAGUE. i agree j hey needs to looks at film of his at bats if it’s in the dirt with two strikes he swings every time. feel bad for minor. but there is still hope, i’m not giving up yet.

Largo

August 13th, 2012
11:39 pm

The braves, especially Prado, seems to come to the plate down 0 and 2. Then he swings at something about head high and outside the strike zone. He has always done that. As good as he is, he could be even better if he would swing at strikes now and then.

Stilts played catch with the catcher all evening like nobody was in the batter’s box.

A pretty crummy performance by the braves tonight.

Buzz 2011

August 13th, 2012
11:53 pm

Uggs was hot in another lose.. Uggs went 0 for 4 again and is styling.
The only thing worse for the Braves is that little announcer, Chip Carey.
Listen to the twerp get excited, what a pro………………..

Fats

August 14th, 2012
12:44 am

McCain and Uggla are 2 bums that ain’t getting the job done anymore. What the H turned them into rookie bums this year?? Did the League pitchers figure them out already, because they are no mystery to get them out. Bums I tells ya

Teddy B

August 14th, 2012
12:48 am

bulldogbubba, guess you didn’t notice all those games Heyward DID win for us just because he didn’t come through twice all of the sudden he stinks huh? What team are you watching surely not the Braves… Heyward just looks tired I think its time for a day off to regroup and come back strong, thats all he needs.

Can’t stand fairweather fans when Heyward is crushing the ball and winning us games he’s ok, but as soon as he doesn’t produce for 2 games he’s a bum huh? Better send him down to Triple-A or trade him right bulldogbubba? Puh-leaze don’t start that nonsense again. He’s 23 years old and a heck of a lot better than most guys in their prime so cut him a break..

Fred McGillicutty

August 14th, 2012
12:56 am

The announcers keep talking about how Uggla is starting to show signs that he is about to break out of it….and then he pops out. Is that what we get for a 5 yr $62 million contract? Signs that he is starting to improve his swing? Really? We could have Prado on 2nd and Johnson in left and the team average would instantly be 13 points higher.

TuffShhhtuff

August 14th, 2012
1:08 am

Well at least the Braves accomplished one thing. They inspired the Gnats to beat the crap out of the SF Giants. It’s now 14-2 in the 8th inning. SF is a dang good team by the way. Braves may as well forget the division title and pray for the wildcard to fall into their lap.

Not a pitching coach

August 14th, 2012
1:36 am

This is about the only thing in this newspaper that is correct in this edition.

Mitchell

August 14th, 2012
1:54 am

If the Braves looked a little sluggish Monday night, it’s probably because they were.

Their flight landed in Atlanta about 3 a.m. after they played the Sunday night ESPN game in New York.

Boo hoo, they’re millionaires.

Suck it up Braves. That’s no excuse.

Either way, if you have to resort to some superstitious cliche in order to get the baseball gods on your side, you’re not a confident team.

No wonder they’re 5.5 back of the Nationals and on the verge of going seven years without winning their division.

NatFanNatl

August 14th, 2012
2:43 am

Let’s go Nats!

clay

August 14th, 2012
4:12 am

Amazing how braves lose two in a row and there the worst team in baseball on there annual nose dive. They have the 5th best record in baseball. Chill out…I mean we could be like the Houston Astros.

GRAPHITE

August 14th, 2012
6:17 am

Hey Fats,McCain is the Senator,not the Braves catcher.

GRAPHITE

August 14th, 2012
6:24 am

Hey Fats, McCain is the Senator,not the Braves catcher.

a fan

August 14th, 2012
6:33 am

Fredi
If your’e not going to play Johnson against left handed pitchers, when the hell are you going to play him? Give Jason a rest.

NatFanatic

August 14th, 2012
7:25 am

Hey guys, you are overreacting. Braves are a good team. We sure aren’t taking them lightly.

DC NAT

August 14th, 2012
7:34 am

We’ll handle the Braves.

john

August 14th, 2012
7:40 am

Jason is Braves future- lately he is swinging at low , inside pitches even if they are in the dirt- both left and right hand pitchers-against Mets with bases loaded he swung at and missed Ball 3 and Ball 4 for chance to tie game-just needs batting help from Walker and Chipper- EVERY Team in Baseball would take Hey-he is 22 and learning-GREAT POTENTIAL

longtimefan

August 14th, 2012
7:55 am

Braves:
Fifth best record in baseball
Second in batting in NL
First in NL in fielding
Sixth in NL in pitching
Leading WC race
Some of you guys must be watching a different team than me because the Atlanta Braves team I’m watching looks pretty good. As I pointed out the other day when someone complained about Heyward coming up short in the ninth-failing 2 out of every 3 times at the plate gets you a ticket to the HOF; likewise losing 4 out of every 10 games will generally win your division every year. You guys that get cranked every time the Braves lose need to get a little perspective.

Carl Farvman

August 14th, 2012
8:11 am

“I think Braves radio/TV guys pretty much have orders from upstairs to paint a happy face on everything. Maybe someday they’ll realize the true baseball fan wants to dissect the good AND the bad. That’s the way they do it in most of the bigger markets.”

I want fair-minded and insightful analysis from these ‘experts’, not constant dwelling on potential bad/close calls when it impacts the Braves, while ignoring questionable calls when it benefits the Braves. These guys are horrible.

Carl Farvman

August 14th, 2012
8:13 am

“Their flight landed in Atlanta about 3 a.m. after they played the Sunday night ESPN game in New York.”

Keep in mind the writers have to walk a PR tight rope to maintain a spot in the buffet line.

daSarge

August 14th, 2012
8:24 am

Nats will win the Division. Wild Card teams will be a team from the West (Dodgers or Giants) and either the Pirates or Cards. Braves blow it agin!!

bill

August 14th, 2012
8:46 am

damn guys its two games. We have a fantastic record and unfortunately the Nats are playing lights out. We did this to SanFrancisco once. We won about109games and they won over 100 but still sat home. My worry is getting knocked out at home in the wild card game.

AtHomeGym

August 14th, 2012
9:07 am

Sluggish & weary huh? Didn’t Martin Prado come back on the same plane?

AtHomeGym

August 14th, 2012
9:07 am

Sluggish & weary huh? Didn’t Martin Prado come back on the same plane?

harry taylor

August 14th, 2012
9:07 am

DOB says the Braves look sluggish because of getting into Atlanta at 3am. Come on. These poor guys are worked so hard. Work about 8 months a year,get meal money (approx. $105)each day,get room service at hotel, big buffet after each game, stay at best hotels. Don’t throw me in that briar patch.

Oh did I mention $350,000 minimum each year but they have so many perks they could put the majority of that in the bank. Oh to be a poorly treated MLB player.

The Brave Californian

August 14th, 2012
9:49 am

Let me guess – the pitcher “kept us off balance”. Funny, I don’t remember Hank Aaron complaining about being “off balance”.

Nevada Roy

August 14th, 2012
10:01 am

I would hope that Minor fly ahead of the team and had a good night’s rest.

David O'Brien

August 14th, 2012
10:13 am

DOB says the Braves look sluggish because of getting into Atlanta at 3am. Come on. These poor guys are worked so hard. Work about 8 months a year,get meal money (approx. $105)each day,get room service at hotel, big buffet after each game, stay at best hotels. Don’t throw me in that briar patch.

Oh did I mention $350,000 minimum each year but they have so many perks they could put the majority of that in the bank. Oh to be a poorly treated MLB player. — harry taylor

First, I didn’t write the story. Secondly, does being rich and/or traveling first class negate the lack of sleep for a person doing a job that requires excellent hand-eye coordination and alertness?

And lastly, do you feel compelled to protest so extensively any time you read something that says or suggests that someone else in a high-paying or otherwise desirable job might have faced some adversity on a particular day, or that someone might be pointing out a possible contributing factor for that person’s performance on a particular day? I only ask because I’m curious what you think having such an immediate response might indicate?

ChipperisGod

August 14th, 2012
10:17 am

Didn’t look good tonight, now we really need to take the last three games of this series. Everyone has an off night, but we can ill afford any more of these off nights. Sunday and Monday’s games were ugly from an offensive stand point.

Hopefully tomorrow we get it going again.

harry taylor

August 14th, 2012
10:38 am

DOB- It appears I have struck a nerve. Hopefully it the players got in bed by 4am and slept to 12 noon, that is 8 hours sleep. Well enough to retain your excellent hand-eye coordination and alertness. I worked for the railroad for 41 years. I have worked 8 hours and turned around after 8 hours rest and did another 8 hours. I have been standing between 2 railroad track, with 2 trains going in opposite directions at 35-45 mph with the cars swaying back and forth between the tracks with me standing up. If a loose strand of wire or anything loose hanging out the door hit me I would be in serious trouble. I have dodged various items hanging out the doors. Try that in the daylight hours or even in the wee hours of the morning. In the rain,sleet,snow or heat upwards of 100%. If I could perform, why should I doubt that MLB players do the same.
I hope you are not curious anymore. Some folks perform under more undesireable conditions than players and don’t need anyone making excuses for us. For gods sake just do your job and everything else will take care of its self.

David O'Brien

August 14th, 2012
10:42 am

DOB- It appears I have struck a nerve. — harry taylor

It appears YOU have struck a nerve? Really? Not the other way around?

jek

August 14th, 2012
11:01 am

Regarding Braves announcers. Joe Simpson makes me wince whenever he makes excuses for crappy play or stupid decisions. I like Chip Carey, but you need to remember that he is gunshy from his exoerience with the Cubs who fired him for his honesty. Don Sutton is a booster but he is also a fair and accurate reporter.. Sme with Jim Powell. Listening to the radio gus you can almost smell the hotdogs.

GB's Hamburgers

August 14th, 2012
11:11 am

David, David, David. Harry is an old guy. 41 years on the railroad and you didn’t write the story. He’s just pointing out rich baseball players may be just a tad soft … that plenty of people in his generation (and this one), do what they have to do for a living wage and the honor of doing it. We all know that excessive money can make folks feel a bit entitled. Take the NBA. You really don’t see intensely played basketball (generally) until the playoffs. And, generally speaking, players who get a long term contract coast until the last year of that contract, then turn it up a notch and get another offer. You both made it interesting today. Kiss and make up.

Davey Sprocket

August 14th, 2012
11:14 am

If the Braves had not choked it away last year, and now having to watch all their best efforts potentially go to waste (”we are 14-5 in our last 19, why, oh why can’t we catch those Nationals?”) makes me realize how spoiled rotten Braves fans are. It is not your “right” to have a good team. Sometimes, OTHER teams do the right thing – drafting, trading, player development, free agency – and do it better than you do. Just gotta deal with it. The hype over some of the young pitchers (jurrjens, delgado, teheran, minor, esp.) appears to have been unwarranted. The hitters are far too “one-sided” – good lefites give them a lot fo trouble, and there is age and contract issues to deal with in a couple of infield spots (obviously). The fan who says the Braves are “second in batting”?? Not in the past month or two they aren’t. Nats and Giants are 1-2 in runs scored sine the AS break. Washington has more doubles, HR, higher batting average, higher slugging %, and closing in on the runs part. I would be very afraid of the Nationals, for a long time – they have pitchers out the wazoo and very young talent all over the field – 5 rookies on the 25-man roster at one point last month, not including Strasburg, Gio, Zimmermann (ERA leader), Detwiler, Storen, Desmond, Espinosa,Ramos, Harper, Lombardozzi who are all 26 or under. Add Zimmerman at 3B, LaRoche, Werth, Morse, and you have your hands full. Just don’t get too exercised by it – the extra wild card can be your friend.

Davey Sprocket

August 14th, 2012
11:16 am

Oops, sorry – Lombardozzi IS one of the 5 rookies. Clippard is very young too, btw.

CLT Brave

August 14th, 2012
11:18 am

am encouraged to see that others are wondering why Uggla is still in the lineup. Unlike some other bloggers, i am not down on the team for losing the last two. Far from it. Its a long season and Nats are playing great ball ….but hopefully, nothing like that lasts forever… DOB, i would like to hear SOMEONE pose the question to Fredi during one of his after-game conferences, “Why isnt Uggla at Gwinnett; or at least on the bench?” Dont sugar coat it. Ask him straight out. I have been watching and playing baseball for a long time and I really cant remember a similar situation….where a player’s prolonged slump that is obviously hurting the team has not resulted in at least his being benched for a while or sent down to AAA farm club for “rehab”…And, i also echo other comments in today’s blog about our announcers….boy, wouldnt a dose of Skip Caray’s analysis on some of these games be a welcome breath of fresh air? UGGLA STAT UPDATE: since All Star break he is 17 for 85 = .200 avg…for the year he is at .213

a fan

August 14th, 2012
11:31 am

Should be mandatory reading for all major league pitchers’
On the final Sunday of the season, the Phillies held first place by one game over the Brooklyn Dodgers when the teams met at Ebbets Field.

Robin Roberts, making his third start in five days, dueled the Dodgers’ Don Newcombe in a 1-1 game. In the ninth, the Dodgers’ Cal Abrams was thrown out by a wide margin trying to score from second base on a single to center. In the 10th, Sisler hit a three-run homer, giving the Phillies a 4-1 victory and their first pennant in 35 years.pitchers

a fan

August 14th, 2012
11:41 am

3rs start in 5 days !!! Strasburg? Mike rizzo

STYLIN

August 14th, 2012
11:49 am

Norm and Carl are right on the money! Fredi’s allegiance to Dan “Struggla” is costing this team dearly. Geez Fredi….wake up! Hello! Duh! Another 0-4 last night…213 and heading south….and I’m sure “Daddy” Fredi will have his sorry @$$ “boy” back in the lineup again tonight, because, like Carl said, our announcers continue to spit out the garbage that “Uggla just missed that one”, etc. That’s the same idiotic propaganda they did with “Meekly” Cabrera last year! I would expect much better from Joe Simpson. And Cox showed the same allegiance to “Meekly” that “Steady Fredi” is showing to “Struggla.” The beat goes on. Put Reed Johnson in the damn lineup Nitwit!!!!

Ken Stallings

August 14th, 2012
12:12 pm

No, David, I have to be honest, getting in at 3AM and having to play the next night with a 7PM start time isn’t a sacrifice in the big scheme of life. I’m thinking that perhaps a simple, “I see your point” would have been the best reply to offer.

Harry Taylor has a pretty significant background to reinforce his point that the team doesn’t have an excuse of getting in late. They certainly had plenty of time for sleep before having to show up at the stadium that afternoon.

Baseball is a very grinding sport, but sleep cycle might well be the lesser of those grinds.

Largo

August 14th, 2012
12:15 pm

DOB. . .A fifty eight word question? Wow, I almost dozed before getting to the end. Anyway, thanks to you and Carroll for your coverage.

JohnDrake6

August 14th, 2012
12:19 pm

I’ve said it before, I love everything about baseball –except the so-called fans.

Most of you aren’t fans, you’re spoiled consumers of sports entertainment. You don’t pull for the playrrs on your team, not only exhulting in their triumphs, but consoling them in their defeats.

So many of you remind me of the giant carnivorous plant in “Little Shop of Horrors ” that demands “FEED ME” all the time.

Seems like most of you rottisserie-GMs would be perfectly happy if they swapped out our roster with the Yankees overnight, as long as they win.

And enough already with money-justified demands on players who are still human beings. If you pay someone a 10 dollars to hold their breath for 2 minutes, don’t expect them to be able to holdit for 2 weeks if you pay them $10 million.

paul in richmond

August 14th, 2012
12:27 pm

I follow several Major League teams.Of them, the Braves are the only one known for NOT having lots of exercises and the Braves are known for “resting” their players and regularly whining about being “tired”- Im just saying.

blackdog

August 14th, 2012
12:32 pm

The slide has begun-throw a lefty at them and they are done. Roll a ball in the dirt to Heyward and watch him swing at it-pitiful!

Brave New World

August 14th, 2012
1:29 pm

So far the Braves have “slid” to one of the best records in baseball. The vultures need to look for some road kill instead of spewing their babble on these blogs.

DawgNole

August 14th, 2012
1:38 pm

clay
August 14th, 2012
4:12 am

Amazing how braves lose two in a row and there the worst team in baseball on there annual nose dive. They have the 5th best record in baseball. Chill out…I mean we could be like the Houston Astros.
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“They have the 5th best record in baseball.”

And you’re bragging about that? That’s called loser mentality, and it’s why all ATL pro teams have consistently failed to win “the big one” in nearly a half-century of playing in this city. ONE championship in 155 seasons, to be exact.

You cannot be satisfied with 5th best and expect to win championships.

excuses, excuses

August 14th, 2012
1:53 pm

DOB: Puh-leeze. It’s not as if they had to be on the field at sunrise. But hey, whatever you sycophants can come up with to cover for a listless team lacking real leadership.
Remember back when TP was on 3rd and heralded as a great captain? Then made batting coach, and now he’s only first base coach, bumped by McDowell. Uh, alrighty then. At least Struggs *had* a turnaround last year. Was that due to better coaching by Pendleton? I wonder…
If memory serves, the Braves of the early to mid – ’90s weren’t swinging at pitches in the dirt, like we’ve seen sooooo much ever since, especially in the fall when the noose is tightening. Then they shrug and ‘tip their caps.’
Jones? He just went through his second divorce (not judging, just saying that it most certainly will weigh on one’s mind and take the wind out of the sails – not *always* but quite a lot!), and think of how much effort he puts into mentoring. I’m guessing not a whole helluva lot. If I’m wrong, show me – where are the fruits of his ‘leadership?’
And FG – good GRAVY what a slug. Playing favorites to the detriment of the younger players and the team as a whole.
It’s a team with some good players, no doubt, but the good ones likely resent the pervasive lack of discipline.
But, none of this will keep them from being good enough to suck us in year after year, get nice TV contracts, put some butts in the seats and sell some jerseys.
Sorry, but that’s what shines through.

David O'Brien

August 14th, 2012
2:01 pm

Remember back when TP was on 3rd and heralded as a great captain? Then made batting coach, and now he’s only first base coach, bumped by McDowell.excuses, excuses

But Roger’s doing a good job with the hitters this year, don’t ya think?

bobby

August 14th, 2012
2:01 pm

You don’t win many games with 5 hits. As far as stats go, you can make almost anybody look good. IE. He hit .400 in one game back in “97″. He went 2-5 against the Mudhens.

TuffShhhtuff

August 14th, 2012
2:02 pm

Surprised no one has raised the question as to why didn’t the Braves just stay in NY and get a good night’s sleep after that 8PM ESPN game Sunday night, and fly in the next morning. Sometimes common sense and logic will go a long way and solve a lot of problems. Have a feeling it was all FG’s idea to fly in that night and get home in the wee hours of the morning.

Rick C

August 14th, 2012
2:04 pm

excuses, excuses, first off, McDowell is the pitching coach, not the hitting coach. Second, Pendleton never was the hitting coach since Uggla joined the team. It was Larry Parish last season and now Greg Walker this season.

Rick C

August 14th, 2012
2:05 pm

TuffShhtuff, so now the manager makes the team’s travel plans as well?

DawgNole

August 14th, 2012
2:10 pm

Carl Farvman
August 14th, 2012
8:11 am

“I think Braves radio/TV guys pretty much have orders from upstairs to paint a happy face on everything. Maybe someday they’ll realize the true baseball fan wants to dissect the good AND the bad. That’s the way they do it in most of the bigger markets.”

I want fair-minded and insightful analysis from these ‘experts’, not constant dwelling on potential bad/close calls when it impacts the Braves, while ignoring questionable calls when it benefits the Braves. These guys are horrible.
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Both comments on the money.

It just comes off as smarmy, bush league, and unprofessional when you constantly butt-kiss, and that’s what our (Braves and Hawks) announcers do. Same with the Falcons’ guys (in preseason games), for that matter. Nauseating.

TuffShhhtuff

August 14th, 2012
2:11 pm

I’m sure he has quite a bit of input on things like that. If not, he should, after all he is responsible for the player’s welfare, and the fact they have to be ready to PLAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT’S AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS NOW!!!!

TuffShhhtuff

August 14th, 2012
2:18 pm

As for Uggla, remember he was on the Miami team that FG was managing. That’s one reason he is in the lineup daily. Just like teachers, I’m sure managers have their “pets”. AND for the record, Uggs, per BaseballReference.com is at $13M per yr. That would be $80,250 per game, or $20,000 per plate appearance. Think management wants to sit $80K on the bench each game? Must be nice being a part time hitter making that kind of money.

Winchester

August 14th, 2012
2:26 pm

Does anyone see a pattern with Mike Minor or are all the losses a figment of my imagination?

Maybe we should just keep running him out there and see if we can still play in the post season.

DawgNole

August 14th, 2012
2:30 pm

Ken Stallings
August 14th, 2012
12:12 pm

No, David, I have to be honest, getting in at 3AM and having to play the next night with a 7PM start time isn’t a sacrifice in the big scheme of life. I’m thinking that perhaps a simple, “I see your point” would have been the best reply to offer.
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The bottom line is that it’s just ANOTHER excuse. With ONE championship in almost 50 years, the time for excuses has long since passed. The city and its fans deserve better.

harry taylor

August 14th, 2012
2:35 pm

DOB- It appears YOU have struck a nerve? Really? Not the other way around?

No, not really. Just giving an opinion of us average working guys on the street.

Rick C

August 14th, 2012
2:38 pm

Winchester, yes I see a pattern of the Braves offense giving him little to no run support.

shelbydawkins

August 14th, 2012
4:19 pm

The Padres have had our number ever since d. bautista dropped that ball in left field

cunning stunt

August 14th, 2012
4:30 pm

If one of us pulls and all nighter and has to suffer through a day at the desk or class or whatever we can be sluggish and gut through it. It is simply part of life. But if your job is to do something requiring great concentration, focus combined with manual dexterity being under rested has an effect, no matter how much you want to gut it out. Physical performance is impacted by fatigue – proven fact. You cannot simply brush it aside because you want too, you cannot try harder away mental and physical fatigue. That is why pilots, truck drivers etc…. have rest requirements because you cannot mask the signs of fatigue. Sure they are highly paid athletes and we have every right to expect the best they have to offer, but a better rested Padres group of athletes had more to offer last night – just that simple. There are differences between reasons and excuses even if that nuance is lost on many here.

DawgNole

August 14th, 2012
4:36 pm

cunning stunt
August 14th, 2012
4:30 pm

If one of us pulls and all nighter and has to suffer through a day at the desk or class or whatever we can be sluggish and gut through it. It is simply part of life. But if your job is to do something requiring great concentration, focus combined with manual dexterity being under rested has an effect, no matter how much you want to gut it out. Physical performance is impacted by fatigue – proven fact. You cannot simply brush it aside because you want too, you cannot try harder away mental and physical fatigue. That is why pilots, truck drivers etc…. have rest requirements because you cannot mask the signs of fatigue. Sure they are highly paid athletes and we have every right to expect the best they have to offer, but a better rested Padres group of athletes had more to offer last night – just that simple. There are differences between reasons and excuses even if that nuance is lost on many here.
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I hope you’re including yourself among the “many” on whom “that nuance is lost.” As has been clearly established on here, there was plenty of time for rest/sleep between arrival in ATL and time to go to the ballpark.

Another EXCUSE. Nothing more, nothing less.

ohhhhYEAH

August 14th, 2012
5:41 pm

DawgNole,

Well if anyone would know about a losers mentality, it would certainly be a UGA and FSU fan. You do realise that theres only ONE team, at any given time, with the best record in baseball, or any sport for that matter. Not every team can have the best record. And yeah every team wants to be on top, but when youre fifth out of 30 teams….which pretty much guarantees you a playoff berth were the season to end right now, I’d say thats not a bad shake. So please stop trying to bash a team for being one of the best in the entire league

ohhhhYEAH

August 14th, 2012
5:41 pm

DawgNole

August 14th, 2012
8:04 pm

ohhhhYEAH
August 14th, 2012
5:41 pm

DawgNole,

Well if anyone would know about a losers mentality, it would certainly be a UGA and FSU fan. You do realise that theres only ONE team, at any given time, with the best record in baseball, or any sport for that matter. Not every team can have the best record. And yeah every team wants to be on top, but when youre fifth out of 30 teams….which pretty much guarantees you a playoff berth were the season to end right now, I’d say thats not a bad shake. So please stop trying to bash a team for being one of the best in the entire league
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“Not a bad shake” is not enough when you have only ONE championship–none in the past 16 years–in nearly a half-century. Not bashing the team at all; just weary of losers like you who preach to the rest of us that we should be happy to be in 5th place. If FSU or UGA finish in the top 20 (out of 120 FBS teams), that’s “not a bad shake” either, but it sure as hell isn’t good enough, and I’m not about to adopt your lousy standards and be satisfied with it. It’s your kind of thinking that’s earned this city its regrettable but well-earned nickname of “Losersville.”

ONE championship in 155 seasons of pro sports competition. Let’s all be thankful–just like ohhhhYEAH!

ohhhhNO!

harry taylor

August 14th, 2012
10:17 pm

Cunning stunt says:
If one of us pulls and all nighter and has to suffer through a day at the desk or class or whatever we can be sluggish and gut through it. It is simply part of life. But if your job is to do something requiring great concentration, focus combined with manual dexterity being under rested has an effect, no matter how much you want to gut it out. Physical performance is impacted by fatigue – proven fact. You cannot simply brush it aside because you want too, you cannot try harder away mental and physical fatigue

Evidently you skipped reading on that day in school. Players arrived at 3am, probably get home by 4am and sleep until 12noon or 1pm. That gives them 8 t0 9 hours of sleep. And plenty of time to get to the park by 6pm for a game at 8pm. How much more rest would you need. Plus there was probably time to take a short nap on the plane.

Evidently that nuance is lost on you. That and a little common sense.

David

September 21st, 2012
10:07 am

Rather than pick on the announcers, what about the whole TV production team? I tend to flip back and forth between the Reds and the Braves games on cable, and the production quality of the games are just so much better for the Reds! Braves’ cameras always seem too far away, and like they are watching the game through some gray filter. The Reds Broadcasts, the colors pop and are bright, and they seem to make more cutaways to closeups and action, rather than constantl;y showing the view over the pitcher’s shoulder from CF.

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