1:50 pm August 13, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
August 13th, 20124:56 pm
Appears to me the Braves could afford Boun at 12-13 mil, Headley at 6 mil, and Sheets at 5 mil, and keep the rest of the team pretty much intact. Doubt much of that will happen, but I think the money is there to do it.
eeeeffffiiit…. Let’s just use Johnny Whole-Staff every night…
August 13th, 20124:58 pm
Send Chad Durbin down, let him stretch out his arm, insert into rotation. I’m up to a nine man rotation now.
Or just call up Evan Gattis.
How do you think JJ is feeling right about now? Relegated to the DL, not even mentioned in the mix right now.
Not sure I’d want to be his agent if he was my only client (Scott Boras guy I know)
August 13th, 20124:59 pm
How do you think JJ is feeling right about now?
We don’t care how he feels. He pitched poorly. He is dead to us now.
What about Delgado? 8-man rotation!!!
hey hey, i proposed that idea sometime back
1st 4 guys start games as usual. no. 5 starts 5th game and no. 6 finishes it. no. 7 and 8 share 6th game in similar fashion. 4 relievers will be enough with this revolutionary arrangement
Speedy Gone zalez
August 13th, 20125:00 pm
Dave, any chance the Bravos go after Youkilis @ 3rd?
MikeinFL – Bourn at 12-13M? He’s going to go for so much more than that unfortunately. I’d love to see the team keep him, but he’s going to cost more than that (Boras client)
August 13th, 20125:01 pm
phil – Yeah, just messing around. Seems to me that serious fans know the schedule, or can look at it if not sure.
Maybe asking too much.
But I am serious about Gattis!
Murph – New truck yet? And don’t punch me in the face for asking.
August 13th, 20125:03 pm
I like the 6 man rotation for us. Huddy’s ankle and also Sheets could probably use that extra day since he’s still sort of getting back in the groove of things after a long layoff.
Youkilis has a team option at 13M next year. possible target but should be at bottom of the list.
August 13th, 20125:04 pm
So they say, Pace. We’ll see.
August 13th, 20125:06 pm
August 13th, 20125:07 pm
Boras is going to play nats against phils and get a monster deal for Bourn. he’s a gonner imo.
August 13th, 20125:09 pm
MikeinFL – well, if it’s strictly $, I’m afraid Bourn is gone, and probably either to the gNats or Phillies. If he’s willing to take a bit less and stay with the Braves (and Uggla said they had a plan) – I’d be pleasantly surprised.
August 13th, 20125:10 pm
Yeah, picked it up last week. Was worth the wait.
There’s something very satisfying about picking up your truck from the dealership across town, getting a deal that is shockingly better than the one offered by the closer/dishonest dealership, then passing the dishonest dealership everyday on your way home while honking and giving them the bird.
And by now you all know how mature I am… and that, yes, I actually do drive by every day, twice a day, honking and flipping off the salesmen standing around outside.
August 13th, 20125:12 pm
even a bit less for Bourn will be too much for braves. imo nats end up the team overpaying for his services, tho they will also have to decline Laroche’s option to do it. Rizzo pretty much has special relationship with Boras – in that Boras can get whatever he wants from him.
anyway, we’ll see.
August 13th, 20125:13 pm
Boras is probably telling Bourn, “Hey, man. Look what the Braves did with JJ”
August 13th, 20125:14 pm
Murph is a regular “Father Knows Best”!
Glad to hear it worked out for ya.
See you go folks later.
August 13th, 20125:17 pm
Boras does nothing more than obtain what the market will pay….
It’s his job and he does it well.
Tell Bourn goodbye. He leaves when Chipper leaves.
August 13th, 20125:18 pm
God knows what the 4 year old gestures at the Ford boys….lol!!
I was not aware Bourn had the devil as his agent. If so Buh-Bye!
August 13th, 20125:19 pm
phil – I have always said that Boras is just doing his job…better than anyone. If you were a player, and wanted the best situation/money who would you hire?
August 13th, 20125:20 pm
My impending trip to Kroger is sure to help that!
August 13th, 20125:21 pm
I know you’ve always said that. I tend to pay attention to what you say.
Yeah – current Braves who are Boras clients: Hanson, JJ and Bourn. And, 2 of those 3 are p*ssed at Braves management right now.
August 13th, 20125:22 pm
personally, i give him a bit more credit. i think he pretty much sets the market for his big FAs.
August 13th, 20125:23 pm
Braves could afford Bourn no problem if they front load the contract. 2013 and 2014 aren’t a problem – it’s going to be in 2015 when the young guys start getting big arb raises. Remember that McCann and his $13mil aren’t a given past next year (most likely he’s gone, since Bethancourt will be ready by 2014). Uggla’s contract will be gone after 2015, so really, signing Bourn for 5 years @$15 mil per year isn’t a reach.
August 13th, 20125:24 pm
And 2 of those 3 aren’t doing a whole lot right now either…..
August 13th, 20125:25 pm
Braves mgmnt is not entirely happy with 2 of those 3 either. After next offseason, there will be zero clients of the devil on Braves roster.
August 13th, 20125:29 pm
With Heyward struggling would love to see Reed Johnson in there, but it is hard to sit Prado, Bourn or Heyward this year because they have all shown flashes of brilliance. Now if we had the guts to bench Uggla…Prado to 2nd and Johnson to LF.
My top ten favorite bloggers after 18 months….
2. bat masterson
6. TOH (though departed)
10. tie between another 4 or 5 or maybe more. Brian, mark, etc.
You guys help a lot of days more than you’ll ever know….
August 13th, 20125:31 pm
DS1 belongs on there too…
August 13th, 20125:32 pm
I’m confuse here…Scott Boras work for The Player or the Player work for Boras…..
How about Bourn say….Hey Scott give me the Best contract you can with the Braves,,i want to stay here close to Houston….not at Washington or Phillis.
August 13th, 20125:36 pm
Everyone should hope Hanson pitches well for the rest of the year to get his trade value up. Braves have excess of pitching and by Trading Hanson and not tendering JJ Braves can save 10 million in 2013.
August 13th, 20125:37 pm
Juan, yes he works for his clients, but…he leads the world in getting his clients outrageous contracts. He’s very good at his job and, if I had the talent and a short time to earn a living at something I loved, I’d probably have to follow the $ too.
If Bourn wants to stay in ATL, he can tell Boras that, Boras would never let the Braves know that however.
August 13th, 20125:40 pm
Not everything is Money….Clif Lee let a Ton of money in the Table because he want to be in Phillis, because Philadelphi has one of the Best Children Medical Hosp.
August 13th, 20125:45 pm
Juan, I’m sorry but Cliff Lee didn’t leave any money on the table. Yes he wanted to play for Philly, but he’s getting top dollar:
2012 – 21.5M
2013 – 2015 25M/yr
2016 – 27.5M
Please explain how a contract like that is “leaving money on the table”.
August 13th, 20125:47 pm
Hope the game was in SD tonight… there’s rain near me in NW Cobb Co…. tried to go run and got soaked in 10 mins…
August 13th, 20125:48 pm
“tried to go run and got soaked in 10 mins…”
No running in the rain!?
August 13th, 20125:51 pm
No, I had my phone and money on me… otherwise I would have.
August 13th, 20125:52 pm
Pace when i say let money in the table was the contract that the Yankee offer was better than the Phillis
Also, don’t know if my coach would’a liked me to do that… was pretty slick out there. Baseball practices just started…
From the previous blog which had 883 comments, Venice Jim led the way with 53 posts. There were 117 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
Rank Poster Frequency
1 Venice Jim 53
2 Mark 48
3 phil 48
4 MFin04 45
5 Pace 42
6 TheOnlyBravesFan 42
7 Mixxo 27
8 ncscoots 27
9 Efrim 22
10 DS1 21
11 tiger297 20
12 Brian from SC 19
13 Tomahawkin 17
14 ncbravesfan90 17
15 raleighbravefan 17
16 john doe 16
17 ChattTownBrian 15
18 Mitchell 15
19 David O’Brien 14
20 BF54 13
21 George 13
22 TuffShhhtuff 13
23 tony austin 12
24 TennesseePaul 11
25 Bravesfaninnc 10
August 13th, 20125:58 pm
Thanks for the new blog Carroll.
August 13th, 20126:01 pm
time to go
Ken, nice post @430
August 13th, 20126:02 pm
There were 117 different poster names.
But, only 15-20 real people posting I bet.
August 13th, 20126:03 pm
DOB taking a day off so he will be fresh down the stretch.
August 13th, 20126:05 pm
I haven’t been in the top 25 in over a month. Need to pick up my game.
August 13th, 20126:06 pm
Radar indicate a Big Storm near Downtown….Rain delay?
August 13th, 20126:11 pm
Been raining here in north georgia for a couple of hours.
August 13th, 20126:12 pm
what’s up with all the talk about Chipper’s marriage problems.
August 13th, 20126:16 pm
caint believe I posted less than 10 times on any blog
August 13th, 20126:18 pm
Hope Chipper was smart enough to have a pre nup agreement this time around, or he’ll get his clock cleaned yet again
Anyone seen Jerry lately?
August 13th, 20126:24 pm
what’s the latest on the weather around the Ted.
Must be raining pretty good at Turner Field? Radar doesn’t look promising.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
Jerry’s working on the stage version of “The Nutty Professor,” last I heard.
August 13th, 20126:25 pm
I am honored……… I think.
From the WTF file:
Jose Canseco filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy in Vegas, listing asstes of $21K. He made over $45 mil playing ball.
I wonder if Lenny Dykstra was his financial advisor – LOL
August 13th, 20126:29 pm
Looks like about an 8PM start tonight(5PM for those going out to Petco, yuk yuk!) since the rain is upon downtown.
“Into each life some rain must fall, but why does mine always seem to be hail?”
August 13th, 20126:32 pm
Youk’s option will be declined, and he will be paid whatever amount was agreed upon for not taking the option.
Then he will be available as a brand new free agent. He might be a fit for the Braves. We’ll see.
August 13th, 20126:37 pm
BravesBanter.com for all Braves News and Commentary. New article posted on how 6 man rotation effects Braves playoff chances.. BravesBanter.com
August 13th, 20126:46 pm
Rain is about done it looks like, let’s get this game started!!!
Yes. RT @VeryVern: @keithlaw Do you see anything in J.R. Graham?
August 13th, 20126:47 pm
The 6 man rotation could blow up in Fredi’s face if 2 guys in a row can’t get to the 5th inning. Just sayin………
August 13th, 20126:48 pm
DOB or CR
Any legs to this Johnny Damon talk? I’m guessing he might be spent, but what do I know…….
August 13th, 20126:54 pm
Don Sutton compared Medlen to Infante and said he should be the one to go to the bullpen.
August 13th, 20126:59 pm
ACE – usually I enjoy hearing what Sutton says – very knowledgeable, but…that decision doesn’t need to be made for 2 1/2 weeks.
There are six viable options right now, pitchers get an extra day off – rest can’t hurt at all, and the competition should provide entertaining pitching.
August 13th, 20127:03 pm
I’m not a fan of the 6 man rotation, I say you gotta plug Hanson back in there and move Medlen back to the pen.
August 13th, 20127:06 pm
Leo said that the 6 man rotation would get the pitcher out of his normal routine etc.
August 13th, 20127:08 pm
So what’s the delay report?
August 13th, 20127:09 pm
Yes the change to a six man rotation will vary their normal routine, but it’s two starts for each of them – a good pitching coach/pitcher can make that adjustment.
Plus, it happens during the season occasionally for pitchers now – (extra day rest). They cope with it just fine.
August 13th, 20127:10 pm
On a different note – just saw on SportSouth a shot of McCann hitting a homer in 2005 – he was HALF the size he is now
Damon looks spent….
August 13th, 20127:11 pm
DOB must have seen the forecast and didn’t want two late nights in a row.
Six man rotation can work, but only if the starter goes deeper in the game and throws more pitches on six days rest than they would on five days rest.
If starters go five innings every six day, you’ve got a messed up bullpen by the time the plug gets pulled.
August 13th, 20127:12 pm
looks like play around 735
7:35 p.m. start time
Oh’man it wasn’t an overnight drop in velocity for Hanson. it’s progressively fallen over time, taking a big dip last season especially when he had shoulder problems …so it’s not something that happened in a matter of starts that would make you think its’ Tommy John.
August 13th, 20127:16 pm
Mac does love his empty calories!!
And hudson will soon be DL’d, thus ending the silly 6 man rotation thing.
August 13th, 20127:17 pm
7:35… just like a Friday night game… we need some fireworks tonight
Also not a fan of the 6-man rotation, but disagree on moving Medlen back to the ‘pen. There’s something to be said for having 5 starters who give you a chance to win almost every time out. Unless Hanson comes back and shows that he’s healthy and capable of giving us that chance to win, I don’t see how they can pull Meds out.
August 13th, 20127:18 pm
Could ACE actually be DOB?
August 13th, 20127:19 pm
phil: I wouldn’t mind a DL of Huddy right now… I’m sure he could use the rest.
August 13th, 20127:20 pm
Were gonna go with a 6 man rotation just to keep Medlen a starter… So lets change everyone else’s routine even tho Medlen could still be a valuable piece in the bullpen.
This is making things pretty interesting for the long term view as well in my opinion. Out of all our starters the only 2 that don’t figure to be here in 2013 are Sheets and Jurrjens. So now were still left with Hudson, Hanson, Minor, Maholm, Delgado, Medlen, Teheran that all figure to be part of the picture sometime in 2013 and still having Beachy coming back at some point in 2013 as well.
DOWN ON THE FARM
GCL – ORLANDO
Tigers win 4-2
Lead-off CF CONNER LIEN [.237 BA] 1-3, 1 BB, 2 SO, 1 SAC.
LF JOEY MENSES [.301 BA] 2-5, 1 R, 1 SB .
RF HECTOR GARCIA [.292 BA] 1-3, 1 BB, 1 CS .
DH JUSTIN BLACK [.191 BA] 2-4, 1 RBI , 2 SO, 1 SB .
2B LUIS MADRID [.234 BA] 1-4, 1 2B .
RHSP JADON DILLON [4.02 ERA] 5.0 IP, 2 H, zeros, 1 BB, 4 SO.
RHRP MATT KIMBREL [BS 1, 5.59 ERA] 2.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R/ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.
RHRP DON DRAKE [L 1-3, 1.71 ERA] 4.0 IP, 6 H, 1 HR, 2 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 SO.
Bring back Willie Harris!!
August 13th, 20127:21 pm
Meds can pitch out of the ‘pen, Hanson we don’t know… he’s never done it. While Medlen is impressing right now, if they feel he’s needed more in the ‘pen, he’ll go there. With Durbin being solid however, we might not need Meds back there and can afford to let Tommy find his way in there.
Tommy does need to start down the stretch if we will trade him for anything of value this offseason…
August 13th, 20127:22 pm
GOOG GRIEF it is good will have Carroll BROTHER DAVE has yet another vacation. When does the man work? Thanks for blog Carroll.
Matt Kimbrel isn’t as dominant as his brother…
Isn’t it true that shoulder problems have been anticipated since HANSON’s career began because of his arm angle.
August 13th, 20127:23 pm
Tonight, Chipper will hit for the cycle…
Thanx for including me on your short list buddy! I’m overjoyed.
August 13th, 20127:24 pm
George, you and ACE are killing David…..
August 13th, 20127:25 pm
yup, a couple real bad starts in a row will tax the pen. and don has it right, Meds is more valuable in the pen IF the other guys are pitching well. if not he is available to step in
Yes alot of people were saying they didn’t like Hanson’s arm angle and that it could be problematic in the future a few years back.
I believe I heard that too…. unfortunately, it’s come too early.
August 13th, 20127:26 pm
August 13th, 2012
Leo said that the 6 man rotation would get the pitcher out of his normal
He most likely is right.
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