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Tomahawkin
August 14th, 2012
1:17 pm
@Veer
This Series against the Friars is a Trap series, hopefully we do no worse than a split or all hell is gonna break loose, and Expect The Curley W’s To Beat the Crap out of the Giants…They won’t stop! I don’t know why people are still thinking that they are gonna sputter
Their offense can be Nasty and They have a 1st time “Natitude!” in other words we are trying to catch a team that is like the 1994 Expos, R.I.P. to that team due to the strike
jeffrey d
August 14th, 2012
1:18 pm
I thought this was a statement series
Arkansas Transplant
August 14th, 2012
1:18 pm
And what happens when you trade for this ace and he goes all “Uggla” on you and now your left with limited resources to improve? or for that matter, limited depth?
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:18 pm
Tomahawkin
Come on man, Do you really think we’ll be able to replace Chipper and Bourn will equal or better value? Now I said “on paper”. We could be a better team next season. Who know’s? Heyward and Freeman could take the next big step and McCann and Uggla could rebound to what’s expected.
Chipper’s impact alone will be a huge change for this whole organization. This offseason will be huge for Wren and the Braves. Alot of the decisions he makes this offseason will impact the team for years to come.
The only guy with a real contract is Dan Uggla, everyone else is in the ARB stages or has options. We have roughly 45 million coming off the books before ARB raises. We’ll have enough money to sign any free agent out there, but it’s up to Wren to decide on how to use it and where to improve the club. Should we spend big on 1 player and go cheap everywhere else? Should we use the money to lock up current guys and trade prospects to fill holes? Should we go after a few middle tier free agents to fill holes? This offseason will be huge.
Arkansas Transplant
August 14th, 2012
1:19 pm
Cause fact is.. your not going to trade one for one.. your going to have to give up a package for one.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:21 pm
Cause fact is.. your not going to trade one for one.. your going to have to give up a package for one.
This… I’d rather go out and get Greinke and keep my Teheran, Delgado, Minor, Gilmartin, Graham, etc… than go trade at least 2 of those, maybe even 3 and get an ace for 2/3 years.
At least in the former, I’m spending money that I have available, and I still my top prospects who could turn into an ace.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:23 pm
Should we start a pool as to when DOB will work again?
No… I think we should start a pool as to when you’ll post something logical.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:24 pm
Braves will acquire an ace or a #1 pitcher at the least in the offseason
Dear Santa and Lord, please let it be Greinke. That’ll be blessing and present enough for me.
Arkansas Transplant
August 14th, 2012
1:24 pm
Bingo!!
DAP
August 14th, 2012
1:27 pm
arkansas transplant That money will be spent and I hardly see it being a waste if you sign an ace and still are able to hang onto your top prospects.
free agency = overpay. this is especially true when its the top tier free agents, who are usually already on the down slope of their careers. you pay them for what they did, not what theyll do.
Shaun
August 14th, 2012
1:27 pm
Actually Soriano has more homers than any Brave right now, and only Freeman has more RBIs and Chipper has a higher Slugging. Pretty surprising that the Cubs still can’t trade this guy even when there willing to eat over 90% of the money.
Soriano leads the Cubs in plate appearances by a pretty wide margin and is about the only middle-of-the-order option for them that plays pretty much everyday. Those are the major reasons why he has as many RBI’s as he has. It is true his slugging is solid but that’s about the only thing he does well, either offensively or defensively.
It would be safe to say that the Braves would have a handful more wins if Prado was at 2nd base and Soriano was in LF. If you would have told me this beore the season I would have said your on drugs. It still sounds silly but the stats don’t lie.
I don’t know that it’s safe to say that. According to Baseball Reference, Uggla is a 1.9 WAR player while Soriano is a 1.4 WAR player. Fangraphs is more favorable to Soriano but it’s not by all that much. They have Soriano at 3.1 WAR and Uggla at 2.3, not even a full win separates them.
Uggla, for all his struggles, has hit .213/.345/.366 on the season. Soriano has hit .263/.318/.490.
There is no indication the Braves would have a handful more wins with Soriano instead of Uggla. At best it would be less than a win but there’s some indication there would be no difference and, in fact, having Uggla is more favorable to the Braves.
Prado has been a 3.5 WAR player, per Baseball Reference, and I don’t think he would have gained any defensive value had he played secondbase all season. He’s had a good defensive season in left, according to all the information we have about his defense, and secondbase is not a super strong defensive position for him. So I don’t think Prado’s value changes all that much by moving to second. It comes down to Uggla versus Soriano and I just don’t see any indication that Soriano’s been a handful of wins better.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:28 pm
Let me put it this way, If the Braves sign Zack Grienke we won’t have any money left for anything else. We couldn’t even trade prospects for help either. Its about payroll. Signing Grienke would likely mean the Braves not picking up Hudson’s option if they still plan on adding position player help.
Signing Grienke would mean filling LF/CF with in house options or very cheap free agents.
BF54
August 14th, 2012
1:31 pm
Gabe Kaplan plays alot of poker KHL
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:32 pm
VaBravesFan: Contradicting yourself???
at 1:18 The only guy with a real contract is Dan Uggla, everyone else is in the ARB stages or has options. We have roughly 45 million coming off the books before ARB raises. We’ll have enough money to sign any free agent out there
at 1:28 Let me put it this way, If the Braves sign Zack Grienke we won’t have any money left for anything else.
I’m confused. From what I’ve read, if we bring back the majority of our players (the good ones) after ARB raises and such, we should have about 25-35 mil to spend. We need to fill SP, 3B or LF, and CF. The bench will also need some improving. If we give Greinke 18-20 mil, use Francisco as some here want to, we only need to fill CF. 5-15 mil should cover that.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:33 pm
Shaun
I was half kidding man. Im not gonna get into a crazy debate involving all the WAR stats and so on. Just frustrated with Uggla after defending the guy most of the season. When we signed him I figured we were getting a RH bat that would play 155+ games and smack 30+ homers. Now he’s playing just as much but isn’t even slugging 400…
Arkansas Transplant
August 14th, 2012
1:33 pm
LF/CF with in house options or very cheap free agents.
This will probably happen anyways
If the Braves sign Zack Grienke we won’t have any money left for anything else.
Don’t exactly know why this would be true.
Fols
August 14th, 2012
1:35 pm
Baseball is so ballsy adding a one game expansion to the playoffs…..jesus that is going to be one big over-hyped game that will only prove one thing. It delays the real playoffs from starting and doesn’t in fact add anymore teams than previous years.
Worst decision ever.
The answer was so easy. Baseball is built around the 3 game series. They need to suck it up, add more teams and have a big old best of 3 series playoff format. A lot of teams are built for that, it would create excitement, it would add a ton of elimination games which is what people really get worked up for. More teams, more rounds, more chances, kinda like every other sport.
Baseball’s ‘different’ approach by having this many regular season games and that few playoff teams was unique, now it’s just old school. For most of these teams, half the season is meaningless.
Nothing will be lamer than the feeling of making the playoffs for one game. That loser is almost a bigger loser than the Astros are cause they had hope for nothing! lol
kenhotlanta
August 14th, 2012
1:38 pm
Wasn’t Dentz supposedly a poker player? Facebook has a game now where you can bet real money…scary. Georgia just recently started selling lottery tickets online, but I don’t see anything wrong with that.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:38 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
I mean we have enough money to sign any (1) free agent out there. Grienke is gonna cost 20 or more million a season. He already rejected a Brewer offer of 5 years 100+ million.
I think roughly we’ll have around 30 million to spend.
Main Needs Top Starter/Left Fielder or 3rd baseman/Centerfielder
I expect the Braves to try and resign David Ross and Reed Johnson for the bench to go along with Pastornicky, Janish, and Francisco.
DAP
August 14th, 2012
1:39 pm
AT And what happens when you trade for this ace and he goes all “Uggla” on you
i didnt say trade for an ace, i said trade for a top of the rotation starter. and what you do if he “goes uggla” on you, is you dont resign him when he becomes a free agent, because you probably traded for a guy thats only under contract for a year or two.
space monkey
August 14th, 2012
1:42 pm
You people are kidding yourself if you think Gilmartin is an ace. 5th starter at best.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:44 pm
Trade for someone like James Shields. He’s fits our payroll and is controllable for 2 more seasons. Both years are options so it’s not a financial risk if he were suffer a huge injury or go in deep decline.
A move like that would leave us with plenty of money to fill our remaining holes.
kenhotlanta
August 14th, 2012
1:47 pm
I love Google, but I think they are Big Brother. It’s scary how many times I have done a Google search for a person (that I do not know) and that person, out of over 300 million US residents, comes up at the very top of my search.
DAP
August 14th, 2012
1:49 pm
VaBravesFan Trade for someone like James Shields. He’s fits our payroll and is controllable for 2 more seasons. Both years are options so it’s not a financial risk if he were suffer a huge injury or go in deep decline.
see AT? like this. top of the rotation, not an ace.
i know its not easy to “make” our own ace, but i think doing things like that, as well as locking up young talent like heyward and freeman is the best – maybe the only – chance the braves have, moving forward. signing a 30 year old to a $20+ mil per year contract does not give us the best chance, in my opinion.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:51 pm
Say were able to land Grienke for 5 years 110 million (which would be bonkers in my opinion) We would have roughly 8 to 12 million left to figure out how we wanna handle CF and LF/3B and the bench.
Say they want to retain Reed Johnson and David Ross, they will easily combine for around 3 million total so now were down to roughly 5 to 9 mil left to fill 2 starting spots.
The remaining money wouldn’t even be enough to sign Victorino who is maybe the 4th best CF on the market. Thats why trading for our top pitcher (Like James Shields) makes more sense if we wanna improve the club in multiple spots.
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
1:52 pm
You people are kidding yourself if you think Gilmartin is an ace.
I’m sorry, I’ve been away for a little – who in the world thinks Sean Gilmartin has “ace” upside?
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
Trade for someone like James Shields.
All for it. But one of the prospects they’d want has a broken hand so I’m not sure how that’ll effect trade talks. I’m sure not that much, but just pointing it out.
Veer
August 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
We dont need to replace Jones’ and Bourn’s proudction in those spots. Simply by getting an Ace in the offseason does the trick and ofcourse a Mac and Uggla (Marlins} production should ease the burden.
Middle of the order of Heyward Freeman Mac and Uggla still looks solid.
Aramis Rameriez is a guy no body talks abou but he would be a good fit at 3B.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
Wren still has the option to reject Hudson option and save another 8 million, or/also could trade Hanson and add prospects and save around 3 million to help add a significant starter like Grienke. But I like the trading options better.
MFin04
August 14th, 2012
1:54 pm
“I couldn’t care less vs I could care less”
I prefer I could care less. Depends on how sarcastic of a person you are I guess.
I could care less means what it says it means, you could care less, but you really don’t want to try to care less. It is a little more witty I think. They both basically mean the same thing, you don’t give a flying crap about said topic.
DAP
August 14th, 2012
2:00 pm
veer Aramis Rameriez is a guy no body talks abou but he would be a good fit at 3B.
i thought of that, but i think the cost is prohibitive. he is due $30 mil over the next 2 years.
MFin04
August 14th, 2012
2:02 pm
Why would you want to drop Hudson at around $10 million for Greinke around $24 million, when Hudson is probably the better pitcher to being with? Makes no sense.
David O'Brien
August 14th, 2012
2:04 pm
DOB – Maybe he does come back and make a significant contribution, but you certainly can’t pencil him in for a spot in the rotation like some here believe. Yes, pitchers do come back at a year from surgery, but they also have setbacks, too.
I kind of don’t see them making rotation decisions this winter based on Beachy returning. – Lew
I agree with the part about them not making decisions this winter with him in mind. For the simple reason that, even in a best case scenario, he’s going to miss the first 2-2-1/2 months of the season. And more likely, he’ll miss the first 3-4 months. All I was pointing out was, if he’s back in the typical 12 months, he should be able to pitch for about half the season, not for a couple of starts.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:05 pm
MFin04
I’m not for that, but some are in love with Grienke. I’m just breaking down the scenarios for signing him.
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
2:08 pm
Wren still has the option to reject Hudson option and save another 8 million
That’s a scenario that has about .00000000001% chance of happening.
phil
August 14th, 2012
2:08 pm
raleighbravefan
August 14th, 2012
1:02 pm
I’m not in love with Greinke…I’m just not. Minority opinion, I’m sure.
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Not at all.
MFin04
August 14th, 2012
2:08 pm
Ok, I was going to get really worried if some where in favor of Greinke over Hudson.
Even if I could do a one year $24 million contract for one of them I’d still rather have Hudson. So the contract disparity really makes it a no brainer.
Murph
August 14th, 2012
2:09 pm
Trade for someone like James Shields……. A move like that would leave us with plenty of money to fill our remaining holes.
The trade for Shields would likely cost the Braves most of their valuable trade chips.
So, now you’re traded all of them away and you’ve got your pseudo-ace… then what? A bag full of cash and no free agents worth spending it all on.
Youk? No thanks. Upton? Nuh uh. Of the available free agents, is there a single one worth what they are likely to get? Even Bourn’s price is going to make him a bad deal.
Shaun
August 14th, 2012
2:10 pm
I was half kidding man. Im not gonna get into a crazy debate involving all the WAR stats and so on. Just frustrated with Uggla after defending the guy most of the season. When we signed him I figured we were getting a RH bat that would play 155+ games and smack 30+ homers. Now he’s playing just as much but isn’t even slugging 400…
Well, I won’t say the Braves should have expected this but I think they should have thought it possible that Uggla would have some seasons like this over the length of his tenure in Atlanta.
That said, his season hasn’t been awful, thanks mostly to a pretty good OBP. That aspect of his offense has salvaged his season.
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
No one likes Greinke. In fact, I’ve never seen a pitcher who is pretty damn good get so much heat. It’s probably the potential price tag, which will likely be in the 20 million a year range, and I’m just not sure why Braves fans are even worrying about it. We aren’t going to invest more than 20% of our payroll in one starting pitcher. Just not going to happen.
Just like we aren’t going to pay a speedster like Bourn who turns 30 later this year, 16-22 million a year.
If you’re a mid-market payroll like Atlanta, you CAN spend 18-20 million a year on a player – but that player needs to be the total package and likely a position player, imo.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
Efrim
Well of course, I’m just pointing it out. It would become a possible option if say the Braves did sign Grienke for 20+ million a season. We’d still have needs at LF or 3B and CF and the bench. We’d have roughly 10 million left to figure all that out.
If they felt Grienke was a massive addition to the rotation (Which they should if they give him the bank) we could afford to let Hudson go to save money to fill holes. After all we have alot of starting pitching options.
Veer
August 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
Hudson is a warrior and his 9 million option is like signing Ben Sheets for free. You see Hudson is one of the premier pitchers out there and to get him for 9 million is a hug bargin. His real price should be over17 million. He is having a better year thn Cliff Lee and Lee is making like 25 million. You cant even find a better deal in dollar sotre than u wud in exercising Hudsons option
phil
August 14th, 2012
2:14 pm
I don’t think letting Hudson go is a huge stretch….
Injuries have cropped up with him a lot here in the last 3-4 years. Elbow, low back, ankle….
He’s not likely to become healthier with age, 8 million is significant money and we supposedly have this wealth of pitching that has to be inserted somewhere at some point or be traded.
I could see Tim getting the fond farewell, not that I favor it.
MFin04
August 14th, 2012
2:14 pm
“Even Bourn’s price is going to make him a bad deal.”
But is the goal to win games or avoid bad deals? I mean a team can have one or two bad deals and still win a lot of games and have a great roster. At some point you have to pick and choose your bad deals. Chipper has been a bad deal for years now.
Bourn will be overpaid, but his skill set is one of the things that has made this Braves team better than the teams in the past few years.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:14 pm
Trade for someone like James Shields.
All for it. But one of the prospects they’d want has a broken hand so I’m not sure how that’ll effect trade talks. I’m sure not that much, but just pointing it out.
Not to mention that they’d likely want 1 of Teheran/Delgado + Bethancourt, and 1 of Spruill/Graham/Gilmartin… Heck, they might even want more than that!
I’d rather pay 15-20 for a pitcher and keep my prospects than trade 3-4 of them for a pitcher who has struggled in 3 of his last 4 years.
Arkansas Transplant
August 14th, 2012
2:14 pm
free agency = overpay
That’s a stigma, not a rule.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:16 pm
Well the Braves did pay 15 million a season to a 36 year old Derek Lowe, which makes me believe they would possibly pay 20 million to a 28 year old
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:18 pm
28 year old Zack Grienke that is.
MFin04
August 14th, 2012
2:19 pm
“Well the Braves did pay 15 million a season to a 36 year old Derek Lowe, which makes me believe they would possibly pay 20 million to a 28 year old”
15 to 20 is a HUGE jump, not to mention the Braves were desperate then and aren’t desperate now. Also, I doubt he is going to only get 20.
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
2:20 pm
Well the Braves did pay 15 million a season to a 36 year old Derek Lowe, which makes me believe they would possibly pay 20 million to a 28 year old
Different situation. Think back to 2009 – all of the big time prospects were still prospects and making no money. That isn’t the case moving forward with lots of arb. eligibles coming up , and while the pitching is not great for 2013, it’s not nearly in the state it was in pre-2009.
Arkansas Transplant
August 14th, 2012
2:21 pm
if say the Braves did sign Grienke for 20+ million a season. We’d still have needs at LF or 3B and CF and the bench. We’d have roughly 10 million left to figure all that out.
Then you move EOF or Venters in clearing approxiately 2 million more and picking up someone that can contribute either on the bench or LF/CF, plus a prospect or 2. There’s no a limitation on what we could do, just have to be creative. But I’d rather have a top 5 rotation, then an average offense and average rotation. Our offense without resigning Bourn and with Chipper retiring is still a very formible one with the likes of Prado, Heyward, McCann, Freeman, Simmons and Uggla.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:21 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
I really think were gonna have to trade some prospects man. Look at all of our starting options.
Hudson (Option)
Hanson
Minor
Maholm (Option)
Delgado
Medlen
Teheran
Beachy at some point as well….
Still some want to see Ben Sheets resigned and most want a top or the rotation type added. Your really have to think that Delgado/Teheran or even Hanson could be traded.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:21 pm
The trade for Shields would likely cost the Braves most of their valuable trade chips.
This.
I don’t think letting Hudson go is a huge stretch….
I think it only happens if he gets hurt… He’s sticking around. I would like to renegotiate his deal though, turn it into 2 years at 5-6 mil each, but I don’t know if he’d do that.
Veer
August 14th, 2012
2:22 pm
I would extend Hudson and offer him few million dollars more out of guilt for ripping the guy off. I mean the guy is worth more than 8 million a year. Look at his peers. 500 pitchers with era over 4 go for 10 million at market price. Some of you are short changing Huddy. Tonight Hudson will show many of you that YOU GUYS ARE WRONG.
Hudson is a true brave. After Smoltz and Cox Huddy is the real Brave left
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
2:22 pm
Also, I doubt he is going to only get 20.
He’s much better than anyone else on the market this winter with starter needs from both LA teams and tons of cash to play with if you’re the Dodgers. Plus, Hamilton leaving Texas could open them up as a player too. Also would not count out the White Sox on Greinke. I think his price will likely be 20-21 million a year.
DAP
August 14th, 2012
2:24 pm
MFin04 Chipper has been a bad deal for years now.
now thats funny.
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
2:24 pm
Hudson isn’t going anywhere unless he hurts his arm again. It’s friggin bone spurs in his ankle, not the black plague.
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
2:24 pm
now thats funny.
MFin provides a lot of humor around here.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:24 pm
I really think were gonna have to trade some prospects man. Look at all of our starting options.
Sure we are…. I’m not a huge prospect hugger like Efrim and scoots
I think that we can sign Greinke and then trade for LF or CF with our prospects…. depending on who we get and their cost determines if we go FA for the other position or in-house. (I am assuming Prado plays 3rd)
MFin04
August 14th, 2012
2:25 pm
Efrim – Might want to reread my quote you quoted…
Veer
August 14th, 2012
2:25 pm
Hudson at 2 yrs 5 million each meaning if he makes 8 mil next season he would make 2 million the following season?? for a pitcher of his caliber? You guys obviously dont respect Hudson enough. 2 million a season in 2014 for Hudson? The guy gave us huge disount in first place to stay with us.
Arkansas Transplant
August 14th, 2012
2:25 pm
Look at all of our starting options.
Quantity does not equal quality.
Waffle House or Bust
August 14th, 2012
2:26 pm
Last time I checked, it’s not cool to chant “We’re number 2!! We’re number 2!!” but I think some of you hillbillies don’t mind it. Just as long as Chipper hits and I see dem black players run fast (in your redneck accent). Pssshhhhh!
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:27 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
Still by doing that our options would be limited. The player we would receive has to fit our budget, and since the player we’d be looking to add isn’t high paid it makes it even harder to get the other team to move such a player. Were talking about around 10 million total to figure out LF/CF and the bench.
MFin04
August 14th, 2012
2:29 pm
Hudson for $8 million vs AT LEAST $21 million for Greinke. Wow. Not even a question. Sign Bourn, pray for McCann and Uggla, and keep this same rotation along with Teheran, Delgado, Beachy as options next year.
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
2:30 pm
Julio Teheran goes tonight for Gwinnett.
By the way, for those that follow Shelby Miller as a comp to Teheran as a premier pitching prospect gone bad – his fastball velocity is back up to 94-97mph and over his last five starts, he has a 0/31 BB/K ratio through 29.2 IP. 3.54 ERA in that span.
phil
August 14th, 2012
2:31 pm
Chipper was a bad deal….
Huh? I can only shake my head.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:31 pm
Hudson at 2 yrs 5 million each meaning if he makes 8 mil next season he would make 2 million the following season??
What??? 2 yrs at 5 million each means that he makes 5 million in 2013 and 5 million in 2014… don’t know what you’re talking about.
WHOB with more “wisdom”
phil
August 14th, 2012
2:32 pm
Arkansas Transplant
August 14th, 2012
2:25 pm
Look at all of our starting options.
Quantity does not equal quality.
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Agree completely, but if Teheran is indeed showing signs of improvement, then it’s a check in the quality column.
ChattTownBrian
August 14th, 2012
2:33 pm
Just because money will be coming off the books doesn’t mean they’re going to make big splash signings or trades. Wren likes to keep a good stash away for a rainy day, and that stash includes his precious prospects. Could be a piece here, a piece there and maybe not even a real big piece. Unless you consider signing Sheets a “big” piece. Maybe he is.
Oh and Bourn I bet will be their main target, but will lose out to the Nats or a real high dollar org.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:35 pm
MFin- Keep the same rotation??? Huddy is an aging #2, and all the other pitchers are #3/4… gotta hope that Minor keeps this up, Delgado and Maholm pitch well, and that Teheran can pitch well… I’m not convinced that they all pitch their best.
Julio Teheran goes tonight for Gwinnett.
Gonna be checking his stats… he needs a good outing.
ChattTownBrian
August 14th, 2012
2:36 pm
Yeah, Hudson is a huge bargain. Not said nearly enough here or during Braves games, but he is. If he didn’t have the ankle problem, he would be the same ol Hudson from last year.
Pace
August 14th, 2012
2:36 pm
I thought Hudson’s salary was 9M next year w/a 1M buyout option. WHY, WHY would he agree to sign a two year deal for only 1M more for the second year???
The Braves are NOT going to buy out the year for a million when for 9M they have a solid starter.
Efrim
August 14th, 2012
2:36 pm
With no CF in the system, I’d expect the Braves to say they are in it for Bourn until the end – but end up losing out to the Giants, Nats, Phillies or whoever.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:37 pm
pitch at their best…. these guys are young, there will be many struggles.
VaBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:38 pm
Im being sarcastic here but from the way it looks we have stellar pitching. We have so many good pitchers that we have to do a 6 man rotation. Oh yeah Delgado and Teheran isn’t even included and Beachy is on the disabled list. But yeah we need a top pitcher add for next season. LOL
Pace
August 14th, 2012
2:38 pm
Braves Payroll Commitments 2013:
Uggla 13.2M
Maholm 6.5M/.5Mbuyout
Hanson 9M/1Mbuyout
McCann 12M/.5Mbuyout
So, 40.7M committed if they pick up the options, 15.2M if they only retain Uggla and buyout the other three.
Out of a payroll of 94M (this years stated amount), the Braves will have 53M to sign 21 other players to fill out the Major League roster.
MFin04
August 14th, 2012
2:41 pm
“I’d expect the Braves to say they are in it for Bourn until the end”
I’d just wish that starting as early as September they’d tell us they are out of the running for Bourn and that we need to emotionally move on to someone like Reed Johnson, Jose Constanza, Luis Durango, etc.
The Braves will not be the highest bidder. Not going to happen. If Bourn is wanting to go to the highest bidder, than we mine as well just let him go now. If he wants to stay here, then give him a little bit more than fair offer. I don’t see the Braves doing it though.
Of course maybe if we beat the lowly Padres, win the division, and get deep in the playoffs, he might want to stay with a winner.
Carroll Rogers
August 14th, 2012
2:41 pm
new blog is up!
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/08/14/braves-look-to-hudson-for-another-w-after-an-l/
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 14th, 2012
2:41 pm
WHY, WHY would he agree to sign a two year deal for only 1M more for the second year???
That’s what I said… he wouldn’t agree to it… likely means that he will be our ace/top pitcher. Not much money for another top SP unless they go cheap in CF/LF (or Juan gets to start at 3B)
ChattTownBrian
August 14th, 2012
2:42 pm
Efrim, oh of course. See we know the game. Talking about Bourn. He ain’t coming back here. It won’t be a good day when he signs with another team for me. He brings a ton to a team, but the days of signing these types whenever they want are over. Most of us have realized this by now. The others will soon enough.
Veer
August 14th, 2012
2:44 pm
Hudson is not a number 2. HE IS STILL A NUMBER 1. Yes he might not be an ace like Kershaw but he is still a number 1. Any other pitcher with ankle issues would probably be on 100 day DL but not Hudson. He is a warrior. His performance has taken a hit due to injury.
SNEAKY PETE
August 14th, 2012
2:45 pm
Tommy Hanson should be paying attention as that’s the role he’s going to assume once the Braves go back to a 5-man rotation….,,,murph
nah, ain’t likely to happen that way
DAP
August 14th, 2012
2:53 pm
the thought that chipper hasnt been worth his contact got me thinking…i check his baseball reference page, and it says he has made $155mil playing baseball for 19 seasons. his season salary topped out at $16mil, in 2005.
by comparison, albert pujols just signed a $240mil deal for ten years. alex rodreguez signed a $275mil contract for ten years. even todd helton’s long term deal paid him $141.5mil. alfonso sorianos deal was worth $136mil.
then there is chipper, who has made $155mil his entire career.
in my opinion, is actually shocking how down right cheap chipper has been to employ as an atlanta brave.