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Murph
August 10th, 2012
10:34 am
And no Murph, it is not snowing here yet…..where the hell do you think I live anyways?!
I lived in Illinois for 4 years… if it hasn’t started snowing yet… well, I wouldn’t wait too long to buy salt, that’s all I’m saying.
You need to come here more often, PT.
P-Town Brave ©
August 10th, 2012
10:34 am
Thats my point Lew….
I want Hanson out too….but what do we really expect to get for him
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
10:34 am
Here we go again – Hanson isn’t good enough to pitch in the Braves rotation, but he’s going to bring a starting LFer or 3B in return. Right.
His value isn’t in the basement yet. I don’t think Hanson brings Josh Willingham back, but a solid prospect package is not out of the question.
MFin04
August 10th, 2012
10:34 am
Who in their right mind would rather have Greinke than Bourn? No thanks. I like my players to be able to play through pressure.
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
10:35 am
I’ve heard of minor league free agents, and since we signed him so young, I wasn’t sure how much longer we could just keep him in the minors.
That concerns the 40-man roster. Can’t keep kids in the minors forever, without putting them on the 40-man. Once on the 40-man, minor league options go into effect.
MFin04
August 10th, 2012
10:37 am
Greinke 0-1 in 3 starts with the Angels and a wonderful 5.68 ERA.
Dempster 1-0 with a 6.35 ERA in two starts for the Rangers.
Best deals the Braves never made.
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
10:38 am
His value isn’t in the basement yet.
Of course not. Hanson is still a solid third or fourth starter on just about any ballclub. Braves’ fans look at his projection as an elite starter and think that a failure to reach that status renders him worthless. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
10:38 am
I like my players to be able to play through pressure.
Why is he unable to do this?
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
10:39 am
Of course not. Hanson is still a solid third or fourth starter on just about any ballclub. Braves’ fans look at his projection as an elite starter and think that a failure to reach that status renders him worthless. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Completely agree and if the shoulder is sound, he’s a fine addition to teams starving for starting pitching and looking to compete in 2013 and beyond – Kansas City, Baltimore, Toronto, etc.
Mountain Braves Fan
August 10th, 2012
10:40 am
Unless Grienke implodes the rest of the season, he has to be looking for a free agent contract in the range of the extensions signed by Matt Cain and Cole Hamels, say 6 years and $130 million to $140 million dollars. If two or more teams get in a bidding war for his services he could get even more. Not realistic for the Braves to put that much money over that many years into one player.
monty
August 10th, 2012
10:41 am
If Teheran is our best prospect. Then his recent performances make you go hummm…
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
10:41 am
Hanson isn’t good enough to pitch in the Braves rotation
Who said anything about that? And I’m pretty sure depending on how well he finishes this season will dictate his value on the trade market this offseason.
MFin04
August 10th, 2012
10:41 am
“Why is he unable to do this?”
Good question, could ask him, but that is a “tough” question.
Disgusted
August 10th, 2012
10:44 am
We are in danger of seeing the full season of 2016-2017 vanishing as the small market owners are probably flipping out over this. What does 80% of the NBA teams fans look forward to? It wasn’t like this before, imo. 1980-1998 – the good ole days.
Efrim — I was hoping that they would shut it down this past season and correct the flaws in the system.
Its nice now if you are a Laker or Heat fan, and OKC is the one lucky sall market team & they built well. Now, will guys like Westbrook and Durant want to stay in OKC as they get in their late 20’s that we will see. Or will they be Divas like Lebron and D-12.
Just shut the blanking thing down, what would it hurt us.
Man, I miss my NHL here, hope we get an AHL team someday.
These doggone players of today in the NBA have more power than the coaches and the owners let em get away with it. That is the fault of the owners.
I’d feel different if it were baseball. Baseball in Number ONE. to me.
Patrick
August 10th, 2012
10:45 am
Greinke 0-1 in 3 starts with the Angels and a wonderful 5.68 ERA.
Dempster 1-0 with a 6.35 ERA in two starts for the Rangers.
Best deals the Braves never made.
*This shows you how much a switch to the AL can affect you. Especially for Dempster who-I don’t believe-has ever pitched in the AL*
Texas gave up lesser prospects to get him, than Wren did to Maholm and Johnson
And Texas didn’t give up anything close to what Wren was willing to to land Dempster. Wren lacks the balls to do this job the proper way, which is to be schrewd and smart. He doesn’t have it.
Lew
August 10th, 2012
10:45 am
Efrim – To sum up the usual criticisms of Hanson seen here so many times – Loss of velocity, missed signinficant time late the last two years, inneffective the second half the last two years, history of shoulder problems and a – so far- basically inneffective change of mechanics.
Either he’s bad and won’t bring much or he’s good enough to remain in our rotation. Not seeing it both ways at once.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
10:45 am
I really don’t understand the logic that we couldn’t or can’t sign Greinke. There’s a lot of money coming off the books at the end of the season. It’s funny how we can pay one player 10 million to play for another team but will be unable to pay another 18 to play for this one. Not to mention that 10 will be gone at season’s end.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
10:46 am
Hanson is good enough to stick in our rotation, but he’s a valueable asset in trade discussions.
Lew
August 10th, 2012
10:47 am
Yep – Definitely it’s moving to the AL. Of course, Greinke’s ONE really good season was not only in the AL, but with their worst team.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
10:47 am
I like my players to be able to play through pressure.
Zack can play through pressure…
And the Michael Bourn who can play through pressure did this for the last 2 weeks of the season…
.224/.281/.276/.557 with 15 Ks
Disgusted
August 10th, 2012
10:47 am
Even if the Braves were to up the payroll in the 110 million range I still think twice on offering Grienke 5 or 6 yrs at 20 plus mil a yr.
I’d focus on extending Mc Cann first. and unless someone grossly overpays, at least try to keep Bourn but it will not be easy.
Could they trade for both Headley and Denard Span??????? Can that work????? That could be a heck of an OF.
tony austin
August 10th, 2012
10:48 am
Hanson is 17 over .500 in his career (44-27), and I know pitchers W/L records don’t really amount to a hill of beans, but the Braves somehow find a way to win more often than not when he pitches.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
10:49 am
Either he’s bad and won’t bring much or he’s good enough to remain in our rotation. Not seeing it both ways at once.
Not black and white. Just not. He’s a good #3 starter for most all teams – however, we have a bunch of guys that can be placed in the #3 starter role and are present 4/5 starters.
I don’t know why folks are scared of it, but it ain’t against the law to trade Hanson for prospects and on another path trade for a pitcher like James Shields. Some may think that’s too much work and moving parts for Frank Wren, but teams do handle business like this in the offseason – just our Braves haven’t done that recently.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
10:49 am
Sign Greinke or Bourn? I’d take Greinke.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
10:50 am
Hanson is good enough to stick in our rotation, but he’s a valueable asset in trade discussions.
Absolutely. It’s okay to trade good players, ya know. Yes, he has warts – but every player traded does and it makes too much sense for Wren to see what he can get for Tommy this winter given the structure of the rotation…
Disgusted
August 10th, 2012
10:51 am
If Hanson’s back injury is not major and does not miss more time than expected, his durbility might not be as questioned as it is now.
Remember, his shoulder injury was not supposed to keep him out nearly a half seasson but it did.
Before the shoulder injury last July, Tommy was a durable guy.
With the injuries and loss of velocity and occasional walk trouble right now we really don;t know what we have. But his numbers overall state that he is still pretty good. Just not ACE good.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
10:51 am
Yep – Definitely it’s moving to the AL. Of course, Greinke’s ONE really good season was not only in the AL, but with their worst team.
True. But I posted Zack’s stats from July to season’s end last year, when he was in a playoff race. IIRC, ERA was about 2.60 with good peripherals. Good numbers (about 2.80-3.00) from August on for his career. He knows how to pitch.
tony austin
August 10th, 2012
10:51 am
I think Grienke will be too expensive for the Braves (which is a good thing imo) and Bourn will probably sign with the highest bidder. I am a fan of Bourn’s but I’ve never gotten the impression that he really wants to be in Atl (kind of like Lofton).
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Very, very nice from Adam Rubin. Good dude, too. Loves his prospects.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/54099/harvey-will-have-to-brave-tough-matchups?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Lew
August 10th, 2012
10:54 am
It’s not a matter of nopt trading Hanson – actually IF they came up with an equitable package I’d have no problem with it.
It’s a matter of seeing all the negative reasons why he shouldn’t remain a Brave and then expecting that the acquiring team would conveniently not notice the drawbacks that were so obvious to you and others.
I just don’t see him bringing a package the size of what some believe he will – for all the reasons everyone wants him gone.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
10:54 am
Could they trade for both Headley and Denard Span??????? Can that work????? That could be a heck of an OF.
Say NO to Span…. horrid splits outside of Minnesota.
Sign Greinke or Bourn? I’d take Greinke
Me too. He’ll age better than Bourn
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
10:55 am
Excited to see Matt Harvey this weekend. Big physical dude with a wipeout slider and big fastball. When watching a guy built like him and Stras and even Beachy, it makes me look at Hanson and think the guy needs to hit the treadmill and start doing some crunches.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
10:56 am
Bourn over his last 25 games….
Avg. .219, OBP .287, SLG .333, OPS .620
That’s over 116 plate appearances. Plus just 4 steals over that time span for someone that’s main threat is his speed on the offensive side of his game.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
10:57 am
might as well throw this out there too… 9 walks to 34 strikeouts.
Mountain Braves Fan
August 10th, 2012
10:58 am
The Braves could absolutely afford to sign Greinke and pay him $22-$24 million a year for 6 or more years, but they wouldn’t have any money left to do much of anything else, like fill the holes in CF and LF/3B.
Trading for someone like James Shields makes much more sense for the Braves than signing Greinke. Shields is signed for two more years at less than half what Greinke will get per year. Shields will make $9 million in 2013 and $12 million in 2014, very reasonable for a front line pitcher. Shields is precisely the kind of player that the Rays like to trade for prospects. It is how they have remained competitive with one of the smaller payrolls in baseball.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
10:59 am
actually IF they came up with an equitable package I’d have no problem with it.
That’s all I’ve been saying as well.. I’m not talking about just dumping the guy for a pack of gum. Just that it would be smart to shop him around and see what’s out there.
Lew
August 10th, 2012
11:00 am
Transplant – I just don’t see him having the trade value some believe he has. I don’t think they COULD get an equitable package for him.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:02 am
It is how they have remained competitive with one of the smaller payrolls in baseball.
Which is exactly the reason why I sign Greinke to be our ace and hang onto the same prospects that the Rays would want.
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:02 am
Either he’s bad and won’t bring much or he’s good enough to remain in our rotation. Not seeing it both ways at once.
Need not be framed this way. Schafer/Bourn statement can probably describe it best. Wren acquired Bourn and said he was what they believe Schafer will be. It’s a matter of willingness to spend the time to get to what they want. Hanson could still be good in the long run, but they are trading that future for immediate present. Like is done with all prospect trades. It’s just that this player has shed “prospect” and taken on MLB experience and controllable years as his label assets.
I have my doubts on how much he will return in a trade though. I read “solid prospects” and I think, “Wren isn’t going to do that.” If he trades Hanson, it will be to acquire a player for the MLB roster. I can’t think of a single trade Wren has made involving a major leaguer for simply a “solid prospect” package. The only trade of MLB player for only minor league return I can think of in Wren’s resume is Salary Relief. And Hanson is certainly more than that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:02 am
Zack Greinke first half: 44-45 with a 3.93 ERA
2nd half: 41-32 with a 3.67 ERA
3.76 ERA in August
3.08 ERA in Sept./Oct.
with good peripheral numbers.
Those are his career numbers. Last year with the Brewers, in his first pennant race,
9-3 2.80 ERA with opponents BA and OBP of .233/.293. from July to season’s end. Pretty darn good.
Find something else about Greinke other than saying he can’t pitch under pressure.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:04 am
I don’t think they COULD get an equitable package for him.
Well, that may be true but we should at least investigate the options available. Just saying. But there’s no way we should just hand him over without a decent return.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:05 am
Trade for Shields and give up Teheran and/or Delgado, Graham, and 1 more….
Not too sure I’d like it.
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
11:06 am
Bourn over his last 25 games….
Well, Prado has been about as bad. Those two guys were coma for nearly four months, only natural that they hit some kind of slump. Bourn had a good series against the Phightens, though, so maybe he’s coming back.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:07 am
TheOnlyBravesFan, compare Bourn’s first half to his second half.. use career numbers. It’s pretty shocking.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:08 am
I have my doubts on how much he will return in a trade though. I read “solid prospects” and I think, “Wren isn’t going to do that.”
That’s true, and a shame that Wren hasn’t gone that route. But for three years of Hanson, I think we can get one major league piece included. For example, Lorenzo Cain + a couple lowe level prospects with some upside from KC – just an example.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:10 am
And by shame, I mean trade a ML player with experience like Hanson for just prospects. Depends on the prospects, obviously.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:10 am
ncscoots, I hope that’s true for both him and Uggla. We’ll need both down the stretch. But Bourn’s worst month over his career has been August. Maybe the wear and tear or tiring.. not sure.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:10 am
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Dan Uggla has 4 hits with the bases loaded in the 7th inning or later this year — Tied with DET’s A. Jackson for the MLB lead (Elias).
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if anything, jered weaver is underappreciated. leads majors in whip (0.92), era (2.13) and win pct (15-1). #angels
Lew
August 10th, 2012
11:11 am
Efrim – A couple of lowe level prospects?
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:11 am
For example, Lorenzo Cain + a couple lowe level prospects with some upside from KC – just an example.
I don’t know if KC is willing to move Cain, but such a trade seems more likely… Hanson and maybe additional minors for a major leaguer plus prospects.
P-Town Brave ©
August 10th, 2012
11:12 am
AT-
I’d do it for a package of specs….1 premium….
Simply because we do have spots in the rotation that can be filled in house and also because trading him would also save us some more money…..
Maybe see if you can package a Hanson/Teheran and revisit the Wil Myers discussion…..or something of the like
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:12 am
Efrim: I don’t know if I’d consider Cain a major piece. He could be good, but he’s 26-27 and been hurt twice now IIRC….
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:13 am
But for three years of Hanson, I think we can get one major league piece included.
I think that would definitely be a good starting point.
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
11:14 am
And by shame, I mean trade a ML player with experience like Hanson for just prospects. Depends on the prospects, obviously.
timing’s bad for that this offseason, Efrim. Wren must know that he can’t fill all his ML needs via free agency, so he has to husband his resources for ML trades.
In another year, where Teheran killed AAA for a second year and Chipper wasn’t retiring, your scenario might make a lot more sense.
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:14 am
Since Cain’s return to the majors in July: .292/.336/.448/.784…
Hadn’t realized his 26 already. Bit older than I thought he was.
Murph
August 10th, 2012
11:15 am
Lorenzo Cain + a couple lowe level prospects
Any prospect that’s labeled as being “Lowe level” is one I’d want to steer clear of.
Had enough of Lowe.
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
11:16 am
Maybe the wear and tear or tiring.. not sure.
Hopefully, Bourn is able to suck up the adrenaline of a walk year to overcome that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:16 am
AT: The only thing I see about Bourns splits are that he has played about 200 more 1st half games than 2nd half ones…. His numbers are pretty even.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:17 am
P-T, I’m not sure I’d be willing to add some like Teheran, Minor or Delgado in a Hanson package unless it brought us someone like Felix. But I wouldn’t be against adding Gilmartin in that type of trade however.
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:17 am
A couple of lowe level prospects?
Might be going out on a limb here, but I read that as, prospects in the lower minors… i.e. further away from the majors.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:17 am
Efrim – A couple of lower level prospects?
Yes. What’s the problem, Lew? Arodys Vizcaino was a lower level prospect when we got him from New York. By lower level, I mean Low-A or Rookie ball. Sometimes those guys become elite prospects and/or players plus one major league piece like Cain(as an example). These are the types of trades that are made.
But if we can’t get decent offers, then he’s back into the rotation next year. I’m not 100% against that.
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:18 am
Had enough of Lowe.
Just hours away from him being in the Braves bullpen…
P-Town Brave ©
August 10th, 2012
11:19 am
BTW, just saw someone bring up Austin Jackson….
Saw him when I was at Comerica on Sat…..
Dude is the real deal and w/ their field as big as it is, I saw him chase down 4 fly balls in the alley that I’m not sure AJ would have run down in his prime…..he’s THAT GOOD!
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:20 am
timing’s bad for that this offseason, Efrim. Wren must know that he can’t fill all his ML needs via free agency, so he has to husband his resources for ML trades.
In another year, where Teheran killed AAA for a second year and Chipper wasn’t retiring, your scenario might make a lot more sense.
Fair enough. Lots of variables this offseason, for sure. Just get me an arm to lead this rotation.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:22 am
just saw someone bring up Austin Jackson….
Yeah, that’s not happening.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:22 am
TheOnlyBravesFan, I was more talking about month to month.. sorry, should have clarified.
abeeewright
August 10th, 2012
11:23 am
Lew … based on your Hanson good-or-bad comment …
As long as Teheran has a ceiling as a #1 starter, Braves have to stick with him and give him every chance to develop into an elite pitcher. This will keep them from having to over-pay for such a pitcher on the free agent market.
Tommy Hanson was that pitcher until about two years ago. Now, he’s a good middle rotation starter who’s about to get expensive. If the Braves can pay Minor or Delgado to be that starter at a fraction of Hanson’s salary and if they can flip Hanson for another piece that helps the 2013 club, then he would be an asset that can be traded.
If Hanson were developing into that elite starter, there’s no way that Hanson would be traded.
Lew
August 10th, 2012
11:23 am
Efrim – Go back and check your post – you didn’t say lower level – you said lowe level. Hopefully lower level prospects would be better than lowe level.
P-Town Brave ©
August 10th, 2012
11:23 am
AT-
No Minor and CERTAINLY NO Delgado…..frankly I have said for 2 years he’s better than both of those other two…
But Felix….you’re dreaming….no way we could take on a 23M/yr contract…..
I’d rather figure out how to place Prado at 3b and add to the OF….
I think a rotation of Hudson/Minor/Medlen/Maholm/Delgado with Beachy added midseason is good enough to win….especially if they could figure out how to bring Sheets back and place him somewhere in there….
For me, with Gilmartin, Spruill, Graham, and Co. coming right along, there is more than enough depth to deal Hanson to save some $$$ to use elsewhere….
And given our lack of just about EVERYTHING in the minors on offense, and holes we will need to fill when Chipper retires, yeah, I’d focus on finding a bat or three
Mountain Braves Fan
August 10th, 2012
11:24 am
MBF-It is how they have remained competitive with one of the smaller payrolls in baseball.
AT-Which is exactly the reason why I sign Greinke to be our ace and hang onto the same prospects that the Rays would want.
Problem with this argument is that we don’t have prospects in the system to adequately fill the holes in CF and LF/3B.
P-Town Brave ©
August 10th, 2012
11:24 am
People give Chipper so much crap for not staying on the field and getting old, but they are really going to miss that close to .400 OBP when he’s gone.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:25 am
Twins pitching prospect Kyle Gibson (elbow) will move up to High-A Fort Myers Sunday to continue his rehab from Tommy John surgery.
It’s been so far, so good for the team’s best pitching prospect, as Gibson posted a 2.45 ERA and 16/4 K/BB ratio over 14 2/3 innings for the team’s rookie-level Gulf Coast League club. Twins minor league director Jim Rantz even said that Gibson is “throwing a little harder than he did before he was hurt.” Gibson won’t make it up to the big club this season but could position himself for a rotation spot early in 2013 if he finishes strong.
Man, I hope Beachy comes back stronger. That would be something.
Lew
August 10th, 2012
11:25 am
abeeewright – Again – go look at what I said – I have no problem trading Tommy, just not sure they’d get what he’s worth to the Braves.
P-Town Brave ©
August 10th, 2012
11:25 am
Efrim-
Not talking about trading for him….saw someone bring up an Elias stat…..
Just stating what I saw on Sat. live…..VERY impressive!
He’s not going anywhere
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:26 am
I hope Beachy comes back stronger. That would be something.
I’ll hope for comes back as good as he was before the injury. Anything better is icing on the cake.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:27 am
Hudson/Minor/Medlen/Maholm/Delgado
I’m not sure we could handle that many “M”s in the rotation.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:28 am
Go back and check your post – you didn’t say lower level – you said lowe level. Hopefully lower level prospects would be better than lowe level.
Yeah, that damn “r” button on the keyboard. You didn’t honestly think I meant Derek Lowe, did you? Low level, lower level – same stuff. Lower level prospects are fine to get back for major league players as long as they have upside. More risk, but I’ll take that than the Todd Cunningham’s of the world, especially if I’m getting an ML ready piece back like Cain.
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
11:28 am
Man, I hope Beachy comes back stronger. That would be something.
2014 for that. That would give him nearly the full 18 months of recuperative time. Can’t count on him rejoining the rotation next year, really. Maybe a start or two, maybe some bullpen work.
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:28 am
just not sure they’d get what he’s worth to the Braves.
He isn’t worth as much to the Braves now as he was when he first came up. If he is traded, the FO believes they got value for him. They won’t be trading him for any other reason or any other package than, “it makes the Braves a better team.” This isn’t a Lowe or Jurrjens situation. It’s merely an opportunity to look into redesigning the rotation and the roster in an off-season flush with cash and needs.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:28 am
AT: I see.
But Felix….you’re dreaming….no way we could take on a 23M/yr contract…..
Somehow to those people we can afford to trade our top prospects and pay this guy 20 mil for just 2 years, but we can’t afford to hang onto our prospects and pay Greinke 17-20 mil.
George
August 10th, 2012
11:29 am
Good morning all
Interresting discussions on HANSON trade value, but he would never clear waivers so we could not trade him to help us this season.
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
11:29 am
I’m not sure we could handle that many “M”s in the rotation.
Or “L’s”.
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:30 am
Can’t count on him rejoining the rotation next year, really. Maybe a start or two, maybe some bullpen work.
Makes a one year deal for Sheets (assuming Sheets does well the rest of the season) worth looking into.
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:32 am
but we can’t afford to hang onto our prospects and pay Greinke 17-20 mil.
Greinke isn’t going to be paid $17M-$20M. He’ll be paid $21M-$24M
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
11:32 am
Makes a one year deal for Sheets (assuming Sheets does well the rest of the season) worth looking into.
Absolutely. Might be some things that make one shy away from Sheets, but it’s had to discount his performance, so far.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:32 am
Umm George, didn’t think I’d have to tell you, but they’re talking about after the season…
Lew
August 10th, 2012
11:32 am
Efrim – Break your funny bone this morning? I was joking around with you – of course I didn’t think you meant Lowe.
Wow
August 10th, 2012
11:33 am
“I think a rotation of Hudson/Minor/Medlen/Maholm/Delgado with Beachy added midseason is good enough to win”
Wren should be fired if he goes into next season with a rotation like that.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:34 am
Or “L’s”.
Hah!
Makes a one year deal for Sheets (assuming Sheets does well the rest of the season) worth looking into.
We go with Hudson, Sheets, Hanson, Minor, Maholm in 2013 with Medlen in the pen, I aure hope Frank got some bangers in LF and CF. Not that we would absolutely need them, but if he goes soft on upgrades for the rotation he has to provide that bang in the outfield.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:34 am
Or “L’s”.
Not even right.. shame, shame.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:34 am
I’m not sure we could handle that many “M”s in the rotation.
Or “L’s”.
LOL… that’s we we need an Ace. I know the guy we need…
Greinke isn’t going to be paid $17M-$20M. He’ll be paid $21M-$24M
With the struggles he’s had so far in the AL, don’t see it happening. Especially since he wants to play for a mid-market team. Might give the Braves a little discount since he likes us. Ya never know.
Wow
August 10th, 2012
11:35 am
After how bad the Braves starting pitching as been most of the year, there’s zero chance Wren would go into next season with an even more questionable rotation.
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:36 am
I was joking around with you – of course I didn’t think you meant Lowe.
My apologies – thought you were serious about the lower level prospects thing.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 10th, 2012
11:36 am
I think a rotation of Hudson/Minor/Medlen/Maholm/Delgado
That rotation screams #2/#3/#3/#3/#4 to me….
Efrim
August 10th, 2012
11:37 am
After how bad the Braves starting pitching as been most of the year, there’s zero chance Wren would go into next season with an even more questionable rotation.
With Wren’s background in giving a crap more about the pitching than the LF situation, I am thinking he goes for a starter.
Lew
August 10th, 2012
11:37 am
Efrim – No problem. We all get way too serious here sometimes.
Arkansas Transplant
August 10th, 2012
11:37 am
I’d just assume to see this rotation.
With Hanson:
Greinke
Hudson
Hanson
Minor
Maholm
Without Hanson:
Greinke
Hudson
Sheets
Minor
Malhom
Lew
August 10th, 2012
11:37 am
And I certainly include myself in that statement.
TennesseePaul
August 10th, 2012
11:38 am
We go with Hudson, Sheets, Hanson, Minor, Maholm in 2013 with Medlen in the pen
I don’t see that as the option. If Hanson is moved for a CF/LF or starting pitcher. Then it would be Hudson, Sheets, Minor, Maholm and a Starting Pitcher Yet to Be Named. Could even be Shields… Hudson, Sheets, Shields, Minor, Maholm.
Every time some one mentions Sheets as a one year option for next year, you seem to take that as an implication that Wren would stop there. Not sure why…
ncscoots
August 10th, 2012
11:39 am
We go with Hudson, Sheets, Hanson, Minor, Maholm in 2013 with Medlen in the pen, I aure hope Frank got some bangers in LF and CF.
Making two assumptions, that Sheets proves out the rest of the season as worthy and that Minor continues his growth, that’s probably not a bad rotation. Not great, and certainly without much margin for error, but not bad.