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The A Bomb
August 7th, 2012
9:18 pm
Learned more about Minor’s progress tonight than in the wins. Well done.
TNScott
August 7th, 2012
9:18 pm
If Cory goes away, it will probably be to one the seven teams currently interested in him. And by the way, I think his ERA is 1.17.
Mark
August 7th, 2012
9:19 pm
Would let someone hit for Yawnish here and if we tie it worry about SS then.
JC Brave
August 7th, 2012
9:19 pm
And now the worst possible part of the lineup comes up in the ninth for the Braves…
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:19 pm
Let’s go REV
Mark
August 7th, 2012
9:20 pm
I would’ve let Pastor lead off then Uggla
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:20 pm
All Rev does is hit hit hit.
Pace
August 7th, 2012
9:21 pm
Good for Rev – now Mikey – your turn
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:21 pm
4-6 off the bench for Rev…. let him stay up
JC Brave
August 7th, 2012
9:21 pm
Would let someone hit for Yawnish here and if we tie it worry about SS then.
LOL.
Lance
August 7th, 2012
9:22 pm
Minor made a quality start – the offense let him down.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:22 pm
Another K from Bourn….. Sigh
Hmmmm
August 7th, 2012
9:22 pm
I was wondering if he was going to strikeout tonight
The A Bomb
August 7th, 2012
9:23 pm
Can’t blame Uggla for this one.
The A Bomb
August 7th, 2012
9:24 pm
$
Mark
August 7th, 2012
9:24 pm
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned tonight is that good lefties even out of the pen kill us. Sure has tonight.
We need another RH bat besides Prado and Chipper. Can’t hardly count Yawnish and the pitcher.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:24 pm
Can’t blame Uggla for this one.
That’s a relief.
Game over. We’ll get them tomorrow. Hope the ‘Stros win tonight, though not likely.
Tip your cap to Cole Hamels, he pitched great.
Mark
August 7th, 2012
9:25 pm
JC
That was a real stretch tonight wasn’t it?
ncbravesfan90
August 7th, 2012
9:25 pm
And people got on to me in the 2nd inning for saying this is why he makes the big bucks. Can usually tell when a pitcher is locked in and fixin to dominate a lineup. On another note, Prado is looking pretty bad at the plate right now. Oh well, lets win the series tomorrow!!!
JC Brave
August 7th, 2012
9:26 pm
Mark
I believe so, yes.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
August 7th, 2012
9:27 pm
Well at least we know this Braves team hasn’t forgotten how to properly get their brains beat out
ChattTownBrian
August 7th, 2012
9:27 pm
Loosen those wrists boys – cap tippin’ can give you a hand cramp.
Jay DUbu
August 7th, 2012
9:27 pm
Bourn and Prado have cooled off at the same time, and Heyward is striking out like gang busters. I think once the top of the order gets back in a groove, with the pitching somewhat stablized, the Braves just make take over 1st place in the division.
Couch Tater
August 7th, 2012
9:29 pm
Can’t blame Uggla for this one
Uggla jinxed the winning streak by sitting, tonight. heh
JC Brave
August 7th, 2012
9:29 pm
ncbravesfan90
When pitchers like Lucas Harrell (Astros), John Lannan (Nats), and many other losers out there completely shut down the Braves offense, it becomes really hard to give credit to an opposing pitcher, instead of blaming it on the offense.
But that’s just me.
sometimesiwonder
August 7th, 2012
9:29 pm
Minor battled……….. The line up has me perplexed. Sit the RH hitting Uggla (2 hits last night) and leave in LH Bourn (struggling a bit of late) against Hamels……. I guess that’s why Fredi gets the big bucks.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
August 7th, 2012
9:30 pm
Yea, Hamels didn’t walk anybody tonight and struck out six. Dude was on his game.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:30 pm
So, who got his FIRST complete game of the season – a five hit lockdown???
Cole Hamels, against the Braves.
Get ready, folks. Saturday. Tonight. Drip, drip. That dam is about to break.
September looms, when Braves’ hitters swoon…
Mark
August 7th, 2012
9:31 pm
Can’t blame Uggla for this one?
We needed a RH bat so I’m not sure he didn’t contribute to it.
ChattTownBrian
August 7th, 2012
9:32 pm
Prado might still be adjusting to being an everyday guy. He weakens out as the year drags on. Even if you don’t check the numbers, his body language says it all. Nowhere near as animated as he is earlier in the year.
MikeInFl
August 7th, 2012
9:32 pm
Learned more about Minor’s progress tonight than in the wins. Well done. – A Bomb
My sentiment exactly. 3 months ago he’d have been buried by the end of the 2nd after a start like this. Hey, it happens. Believe Sheets gave up 3 in the 1st last week, didn’t he?
Bravesfaninnc
August 7th, 2012
9:33 pm
All the blame for tonight lost should be put on Minor. Sure the offenses did not get the job done tonight.But at the same time Minor can’t keep giving up homers . Tonight facing a very good pitcher in Cole Hamels It’s very frustrating that Minor could pitch a decent not great just decent game and not give up 3 unearned run.
JC Brave
August 7th, 2012
9:33 pm
If Uggla hadn’t been struggling, he would’ve been in the lineup and would’ve hit a 3-Run HR and then an RBI 2B.
So, there.
This loss is on Uggla.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:34 pm
Lots of pop-up’s tonight means lots of McLouth’s on the club who still have not learned the value of going to the opposite field.
Apparently, McLouth-oma is a contageous and resident condition that lingers long after the contagion is gone.
Venice Jim
August 7th, 2012
9:34 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Only two pitchers to throw CG shutouts against the Braves since June 1: Jason Hammel (6/16) & now Cole Hamels. Related only by the zeroes
Hmmmm
August 7th, 2012
9:35 pm
Dempster with a pretty good 2nd outing, only blemish being the 3 unearned thanks to an infield error but he leaves with a chance to win
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:37 pm
All the blame for tonight lost should be put on Minor. Sure the offenses did not get the job done tonight.But at the same time Minor can’t keep giving up homers . Tonight facing a very good pitcher in Cole Hamels It’s very frustrating that Minor could pitch a decent not great just decent game and not give up 3 unearned run.
Yeah, cuz Minor could’ve won the game 0-0…
MikeInFl
August 7th, 2012
9:37 pm
The line up has me perplexed. Sit the RH hitting Uggla (2 hits last night) and leave in LH Bourn (struggling a bit of late) against Hamels……. I guess that’s why Fredi gets the big bucks.
Dan Uggla against Hamels; .145/.226/.291 with 18 K’s in 62 plate appearances. A real good night to sit him.
Lance
August 7th, 2012
9:38 pm
Bravesfaninnc – I agree that Minor needs to get a handle on giving up so many home runs. That being said, as others have noted, in the past that first inning would have been enough to send Minor in a tailspin – but he’s learned a bit and matured a bit so he was able to settle down and pitch well enough to get a quality start. And as someone noted earlier, any pitcher is going to be 0′fer in games where the offense can’t score a single run.
Venice Jim
August 7th, 2012
9:38 pm
But, OBF, we’d have scored a lot of runs if he had thrown a shutout…
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:38 pm
Prado might still be adjusting to being an everyday guy. He weakens out as the year drags on. Even if you don’t check the numbers, his body language says it all. Nowhere near as animated as he is earlier in the year.
Agree. He and Uggs definitely need more days off… I think Martin’s extra work in the weight room and cages might be “hurting” him.
Mark
August 7th, 2012
9:39 pm
Minor shoulda hit a HR. Then a shutout and we would’ve won.
The bum!!
uga-brave
August 7th, 2012
9:39 pm
minor showed some serious sand out there tonight.
prado, freeman, uggla, and janish have combined for two dingers since the all-star break.
gotta figure that is due to a correction in our favor going forward.
Disgusted
August 7th, 2012
9:40 pm
I am proud of Mike Minor for the way he settled down after a rough first IP.
A couple of months ago he might not have turned the game around, OK so we did not win but it was not Mike’s fault.
The progress of Mike Minor since late June is one of the highlights of the season and now Mike is one of the building blocks for the team.
The boys got beat by a first tiered pitcher, fair and square. Get em tommorrow nite.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:40 pm
MikeinFL: By the by, I agree with you. Minor pitched a gutty game after his 1st inning. Two months ago, he would’ve done an El Foldo. Pitched seven strong and saved a taxed bullpen.
No, approach is everything. This team does not know how to situationally hit against good pitching, and September is coming soon. That train will not be late, and The Denizens will be going ape when this 1-8 lineup replicates its Act III swoon.
uga-brave
August 7th, 2012
9:40 pm
due a correction in our favor.
VaBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:42 pm
Really great game tonight by the fellas, sure the Nats will take care of the AAA Astros and gain another game.
Disgusted
August 7th, 2012
9:43 pm
“When pitchers like Lucas Harrell (Astros), John Lannan (Nats), and many other losers out there completely shut down the Braves offense, it becomes really hard to give credit to an opposing pitcher, instead of blaming it on the offense.”
Lucas Harrell is not a bad pitcher based on this yr. And he is young. And as for tonight, well, the guys got beat by one of the best in today’s game.
The boys have been playing well, so we have been due for a couple of losses. Get em tommorrow and come back Uggla and do what you have done when your game is right.
Bravesfaninnc
August 7th, 2012
9:44 pm
@TheOnlyBravesFan @Lance I agree with you most of what you said but where I disagree with you guys is that Minor giving up this runs early against Hamels who you know 9 out 10 times he is going to pitch really well. Does put alt of pressure on the offenses. Normally losing 3-0 is not a big deal and the Braves have showing in the past that they can overcome this. But when you face Hamels you know that Minor is more then likely not going to pitch a no no but at the same time you expected him if he is going to give up a run to not give up more then two runs at the most.
brian
August 7th, 2012
9:46 pm
strong outing by Minor tonight. After the Phillies jumped on him in the first he was lights out. 7 IP and 3 runs in that ballpark should be good enough to win.
Hamels is a quality enough pitcher to tip your cap to for once
Mark
August 7th, 2012
9:48 pm
Guys – This isn’t meant to be a knock on anyone on our team but…Lets ask ourselves a question about tonights game.
When did Chipper, Sheffield, McGriff, Justice, McCann…sit out a game against a particular pitcher in a pennant race b/c the manager had zero confidence that they would help the team win a game?
MiaBchBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:48 pm
We might as well re-sign Nate McLouth, Rick Ankiel, Raul Mondesi, Troy Glaus, or Garrett Anderson. But that’s OK. We pay $13 mil to a RH guy we have to sit against lefty Cole Hamels because Fredi is scared that WHEN Hamels carves him up – again! – he’ll curl up in the fetal position, run for his blanky, suck his thumb, hide in a corner…
And “re-lose” his swing. WAY TO GO, FRANK, WAY TO PICK ‘EM!!!
Venice Jim
August 7th, 2012
9:48 pm
This is bad timing:
Paulie Pabst @PaulPabst
Cole Hamels on the @danpatrickshow tomorrow.
kelevra
August 7th, 2012
9:49 pm
give the rockies a few of our top arms(maybe teheran, graham salcedo and a throw-in) and get tulo over here next year to play third and break up all of our lefties….get it done wren
MikeInFl
August 7th, 2012
9:52 pm
I agree with Miamibeach. We should have sliced ropes to the opposite field the whole game, and knocked Hamels out in the 3rd. In fact, I don’t know why everyone doesn’t do it.
Disgusted
August 7th, 2012
9:53 pm
Uggla has been frustrating to watch, only thing I say about it is hope that he rights himself.
He has had some hits as of late, I do not see the signs that he will go on the tear like last yr, but we will see.
He was going good the first 200 AB of the yr and something just cascaded. What it is, I have no clue.
TheOnlyBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
9:53 pm
give the rockies a few of our top arms(maybe teheran, graham salcedo and a throw-in) and get tulo
Such a bad idea…. I’m not even a Juan Fran fan, but I’d rather have him play 3rd than do this.
brian
August 7th, 2012
9:55 pm
we got beat tonight – it happens in baseball. We got beat by Cole Hamels – one of the best pitchers in baseball and along with Clayton Kershaw one of the 2 best lefties in the game
Disgusted
August 7th, 2012
9:55 pm
That is easier said than done Mike in FL., Hammels is a quality pitcher and he had our number tonight.
Frustrating game to watch the offense, but we lost to a true Number One SP. Tonight he was vintage Hammels and pitched his best game of the yr.
So we start a new W streak tommorrow (God Willing).
Disgusted
August 7th, 2012
9:57 pm
“give the rockies a few of our top arms(maybe teheran, graham salcedo and a throw-in) and get tulo”
No thank You. Tulo’s $$$$$$$$ will not fit in here.
MAD
August 7th, 2012
9:58 pm
Really great game tonight by the fellas, sure the Nats will take care of the AAA Astros and gain another game.
Those Nats playing really well also. 2 hits through 7 and a bad game last night. they prob win tonight but they have their own issues. long way, that team might be getting a little tight already.
kelevra
August 7th, 2012
10:00 pm
tulo $$$$ will not fit in here???
uh tulo has one of the most team friendly contracts in all of baseball…an absolute bargain for his skills
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:04 pm
Uggla hits righties much better than lefties. he is almost like another LHed hitter in the lineup
MikeInFl
August 7th, 2012
10:07 pm
sarcasm, disgusted. sarcasm.
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:07 pm
you think this is all that team friendly that it would fit in Atlanta where his numbers would go down some?
2014 29 Colorado Rockies $16,000,000
2015 30 Colorado Rockies $20,000,000
2016 31 Colorado Rockies $20,000,000
2017 32 Colorado Rockies $20,000,000
2018 33 Colorado Rockies $20,000,000
2019 34 Colorado Rockies $20,000,000
2020 35 Colorado Rockies $14,000,000
2021 36 Colorado Rockies *$15,000,000
Mark
August 7th, 2012
10:08 pm
It is what it is and IT isn’t goin away any time soon – So lets try and get em tomorrow!!
BananabanabobanaFefifoFilly
August 7th, 2012
10:12 pm
My pastor’s name is Nicky…………..My sister’s name is Vickie
My brother’s name is Rickie…………My father’s name is Dicky
My dog’s name is………………….Pierre (well, he’s a French Poodle, what ya expect?)
Gone Viral
August 7th, 2012
10:18 pm
I am *thrilled* with the way Mike Minor pitched tonight. We were down 3-0 after 1/3 of an inning. When Minor was pulled after 7, we were still down 3-0. Learning how to get out of jams is the one aspect of his game that I have questioned. Today, he manned up and deserves a lot of praise in the process.
Lance
August 7th, 2012
10:20 pm
Bravesfaninnc – you are absolutely correct that giving up 3 runs in the first inning against a pitcher of Hamels caliber puts pressure on an offense. But it does happen. And when it does, the Braves offense has got to respond by scoring runs.
Lance
August 7th, 2012
10:21 pm
Well said Gone Viral
ACE
August 7th, 2012
10:22 pm
There will be plenty of cap tipping going on tonight.
Hmmmm
August 7th, 2012
10:23 pm
ask the Reds if late season division games are tough
*Chris Johnson was a heck of a pickup by Arizona
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:23 pm
hopefully. on the other hand getting behind early can take some of the pressure off too
brian
August 7th, 2012
10:26 pm
agree Nolie – steep contract for Tulo.
We do not need a SS
Carroll Rogers
August 7th, 2012
10:28 pm
Final gamer is up:
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/08/07/streak-vs-phillies-ends-in-shutout-loss/
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:29 pm
thank you Carroll. have a nice night.
DiamondbackMac
August 7th, 2012
10:30 pm
TheABomb
Learned more about Minor’s progress tonight than in the wins. Well done.
I agree.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
10:31 pm
nolie: it makes you wonder what this front office – an MLB front office! – uses in the way of evaluation and intel to determine positional player acquisitions. There had to be people from our end who had to determine what you just said – that Uggla had a finite set of hitting skills that, given his relatively low batting average, was not worth the $13 mil a year this team would invest. That the trade should’ve never been made. That the Braves should’ve looked elsewhere to find a better bat at $10 mil-plus a year. An evaluation that, barring injury, would’ve garnered a steady bat. The Twins made that determination in Josh Wllingham and it has paid off for them. But there are organizations out there that know hitting from the moment they wake up in the morning.
The Braves are not one of them.
Gone Viral
August 7th, 2012
10:31 pm
“on the other hand getting behind early can take some of the pressure off too”
I don’t get that from this. He was under duress all night with runners in scoring position in at least three of the other six innings. And he hasn’t behaved previously like someone who feels less pressure when they get behind.
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:34 pm
oh I wasn’t saying that was necessarily true here GV, I think you are more than likely right in your evaluation. I certainly hope so anyway.
Gone Viral
August 7th, 2012
10:36 pm
The one thing I would rather Minor stop doing is stop being so honest and detailed in his pitching evaluations. Let’s go back to the Bull Durham cliches. Guys on the other teams have internet, too.
Carroll Rogers
August 7th, 2012
10:37 pm
postgame quotes are up….
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/08/07/braves-quotes-after-tuesdays-loss-to-phillies/
Capt.Mudd
August 7th, 2012
10:37 pm
I hve said this before……Mr. Wren talked with Fredi about Uggla and I think he just or mostly looked at the Home Run propensity and really felt the other stats would be at least average….again, he project 30 plus HR and with FG blessing Uggla became the multi-million dollar recipient.
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:39 pm
MBBF, I think if you look at Uggla’s last three years in Miami you can see what the Braves hoped would continue here. not great BAs but good OBP and pop for a second baseman. I’m not sure it is fair to think that they should have known that he would get much more streaky than he was.
Kinda like Nate, I can see where they thought things were gonna go, they just didn’t go there.
Stuff happens. Remember Reggie?
keylargo
August 7th, 2012
10:42 pm
What has happened in Colorado? I saw today that they have 2 more wins than the Astros which means they are bad. If we were to go after someone on that roster, I’d have to think about it for one second, eliminate Tulowitski and decide on Carlos Gonzalez. Then we’d have an outfielder.
Capt.Mudd
August 7th, 2012
10:43 pm
Addendum….I really feel Dan’s work ethic…”hustle, etc.” played strongly in the acquisition. However, one must wonder the ‘ethics’ of swing correction and willingness to adjust accordingly—Walker’s take on Uggs would be insightful.
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:44 pm
Cargo’s away splits are nothing to write home about, another Coors baby IMO
JC Brave
August 7th, 2012
10:46 pm
Another extra inning win in the making for the Nationals in Houston tonight.
Hmmmm
August 7th, 2012
10:46 pm
Nat/Stros bottom of the 9th tied at 2. Take out 2 Marlin games this month and the Nats really aren’t scoring a lot of runs in August.
*Braves are scoring this month but when they lose they don’t go all out. From July 1 to Current, in 9 out of their 11 total losses in that time, they’ve scored 2 runs or less …. so that means the Braves magic number for winning is 3 runs.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
10:47 pm
Stuff happens… repeatedly. Remember Nate McLouth? When Marlins announcers in the past tell viewers that Dan Uggla is streaky, that means that his streakiness is not any kind of secret. Add that cozy LF wall in Miami’s old stadium, and one would have a lot to be wary about. Seriously, does anyone in this organization know anything about hitting and players??? You have to go back to Gary Sheffield to find a successful transaction involving a hitter who contributed to a Braves’ lineup. Jeez, wasn’t that in the last century or something???
Pathetic. That’s just how I feel about this organization’s ability to evaluate hitting – from the MLB all the way down to their inability to develop OF’s. Hell, they may score 6 tomorrow, but tonight is what you have to worry about. September gets tough, and that’s when this lineup shrinks…
When it gets tough.
Capt.Mudd
August 7th, 2012
10:47 pm
@Nolieee……Nicely capsulated Nolie; the nebulous nature of a crapshoot in many respects.
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:47 pm
a lot of hitters, especially experienced ones , are hesitant top change what has worked b4 for them, and stay with what they are comfortable with. Since so very much of hitting is confidence , there may be some validity to that approach. It is, afterall, their career and they might be somewhere else in a while. Plus even when they do try, it is a difficult experience for most.
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:50 pm
say what you will about the park but his last three OPS+ were 126, 111, and 131 there, so it was not JUST the park
Capt.Mudd
August 7th, 2012
10:52 pm
You know @MiaBchBravesFan: You do make a valid point about Sheffield–he was pretty dang good….however, wasn’t Edgar Renteria deal after Gary’s hike?
nolie
August 7th, 2012
10:54 pm
Gary was a near HOF hitter. he was good just about everywhere.
tiger297
August 7th, 2012
10:56 pm
my guestimate is the braves win around 92 games this year and end up with one of the wildcards…after that we might win it all and we might not
then we are going to add some people and subtract some people-im not going to be happy with some of both of those moves and its not gonna make the team as strong as I would like
but in february of 2013 I’m damn sure gonna be excited about the braves season (just like I am for the rest of this one)
Capt.Mudd
August 7th, 2012
10:56 pm
@Noliee….change is indeed difficult….however, it is inevitable. Not for Uggs ‘[swing] though–I lay dirt at his feet with the best of ‘em on here–and, all along I am steadfast that he can still be the Uggs of old real soon.
tiger297
August 7th, 2012
10:58 pm
oh hell with Hmmms comment I expect to see the rule of 3’s (or whatever the heck it is) to be discussed again…who is the blogger that beats that one into the ground?
MiaBchBravesFan
August 7th, 2012
10:59 pm
81 games at JRS would contribute significantly to those OPS numbers – as well as that upper-cut swing that has made him significantly less of a threat at TF. Let’s see where those OPS numbers are in the last season-plus.
keylargo
August 7th, 2012
10:59 pm
There was that McGriff guy.
But seriously, the Braves are a pitching franchise. Mike Maddux, Denny Nagle, John Smoltz, John Burkett – you could probably name 10 who contributed mightily to the pitching staff. We just haven’t been big on trading for offense. We’d always pick up a bat or two as a PH in Sept when the roster expanded.
How many years have we been promised a LFer? Since 2009 I think.