Braves hope for more of same, against new-look Phils

(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien this series.)

Philadelphia – The Rocky statue is still here. Just saw it a little while ago. (Sorry didn’t take any photos.) There were still a few boats rowing down the Schuylkill River (Yes, I had to look up how to spell that). I’m sure there’s a line at DiNic’s right about now (No, I didn’t plan to wait in it). A few things haven’t changed since last we came to Philadelphia.

This is what Victorino looks like in Dodger blue

This is what Victorino looks like in Dodger blue

That would go for the city, not the team. Since the Braves last came to town and swept a series from the Phillies July 6-8, and even since the series sweep at home against the Phillies to start their last homestand, a lot has changed. The Phillies traded center fielder Shane Victorino and right-hander Joe Blanton to the Dodgers, and right fielder Hunter Pence to the Giants.

Left-hander Cliff Lee was put on waivers and reportedly claimed by the Dodgers but nothing came of it and those waivers expired Sunday afternoon. So if you want to call that status quo, there you go. Lee pitched on Sunday, so the Braves wouldn’t have faced him this series either way.

Another missing piece in the series will be catcher Carlos Ruiz, who was put on the disabled list Saturday with plantar fasciitis, and could be out as long as four to six weeks. That’s a marathon runner’s worst nightmare, that nagging pain in your heel. But once you got it, it’s hard to shake, and that’s the case with Ruiz.

All three of those players – Victorino, Pence and Ruiz – have had good success against the Braves. Just have a look at what those three have done in the past two seasons against the Braves:

Pence hit .366 (26-for-71) in 20 games with two home runs, 13 runs, and 14 RBIs, going back to the start of 2011. Victorino hit .372 (32-for-86) in 22 games, with four doubles, three triples, three home runs and 13 RBIs. He also scored 15 runs and stole six bases in seven attempts. Ruiz hit .307 (23-for-75) in 23 games with seven doubles, three home runs and 17 RBIs.

Blanton was 1-3 against the Braves the past two seasons, but had a 3.07 ERA in 29 1/3 innings, including his complete game shutout on May 3, the noon game after the crazy 15-13 win by the Braves in extras the night before to snap an eight-game losing streak to the Phillies.

The starting outfield for the Phillies these days is Domonic Brown, John Mayberry Jr. and Nate Schierholtz. They’ve got Erik Kratz catching and he’s actually hitting .379 (11-for-29) with four home runs in 15 games this season for the Phillies.

Yet then, defying good sense, the Phillies have actually won their past two series since the trade deadline, taking two of three from the Nationals and two of three from the Diamondbacks.

Since that Blanton game, the Braves have won six in a row in the series. The Braves are coming off an 8-2 homestand against the Phillies, Marlins and Astros. But you also get the feeling that the Braves shouldn’t be taking the Phillies lightly. Maybe now they’re playing with a little abandon, not all the negative energy that’s been surrounding them much of the season.

Match-ups

With Ben Sheets going tonight against Vance Worley, Mike Minor Tuesday against Cole Hamels and Tim Hudson Wednesday against Kyle Kendrick, the Braves have their three hottest pitchers going this series.

Cool shot Curtis Compton got of Sheets at the Ted. Tonight is his second road start for Braves.

Cool shot Curtis Compton got of Sheets at the Ted. Tonight is his second road start for Braves.

Sheets lost his last start – his first loss in four starts as a Brave – after giving up three earned runs in the first inning and one unearned run afterward, but he’s been a key pickup for the Braves. He has four quality starts in four outings during is comeback from two elbow operations, including his July 27 start against the Phillies when he held them to one run in six innings to beat Hamels.

Of the 24 2/3 innings he’s pitched, Sheets has allowed earned runs in only two of them – both first innings. Perhaps Sheets is at a point where he needs a batter or two to get loose and cranking. But once he does, he’s been able to shut teams down.

Sheets is averaging 8.39 strikeouts per nine innings and that leads all Braves starters (including a few who are on the DL now too): Tommy Hanson 8.14, Mike Minor 7.64, Brandon Beachy 7.56, Randall Delgado 7.14, Paul Maholm 6.29, Kris Medlen 6.26, Tim Hudson 5.45, Jair Jurrjens 3.54.

Chipper out of lineup

As DOB reported yesterday, Chipper Jones is not expected to be in the Braves lineup tonight because he had to stay back in Atlanta overnight to deal with some family matters. He’s supposed to arrive in Philadelphia late this afternoon. Knowing Chipper, he’ll probably be available to pinch hit before the night is up.

It was about time for him to get a day off anyway to rest his knees. Jones has played for five straight days four times this season, including twice since the All-Star break, and that’s the most he’s played consecutively.

(I’m including a recent stretch when he pinch hit in the first game of the doubleheader in DC and started the second game because he was still starting for five days in a row, if not five games).

I’m sure part of the reason Jones played yesterday was knowing he’d be out tonight, as well as the fact that Fredi Gonzalez doesn’t like to have both Chipper and Brian McCann out of the lineup on the same day, and McCann got a rest day yesterday against the Astros.

OK and more from Citizens Bank Park in a while.

Braves lineup:

1. Bourn CF

2. Prado LF

3. Heyward RF

4. Freeman 1B

5. McCann C

6. Uggla 2B

7. Francisco 3B

8. Janish SS

9. Sheets P

1,342 comments Add your comment

bruce

August 6th, 2012
1:41 pm

lets go Ben Sheets have a great game

bruce

August 6th, 2012
1:44 pm

without looking at stats, felt like Ruiz hurt us the most recently

bruce

August 6th, 2012
1:47 pm

Kris Medlen = FIERCE Competitor and pretty darned hot pitching too

DAM

August 6th, 2012
1:51 pm

We should get Johnson in there a couple games in a row. Give Uggla the day off, put Prado at second, and put Johnson in left. Then tomorrow, give Heyward a day to rest against Hamels, and put Johnson in right.

bruce

August 6th, 2012
1:51 pm

Carroll, hope you have some good news today regarding Matt Diaz’s hand recovery

phil

August 6th, 2012
1:52 pm

phil

August 6th, 2012
1:51 pm

When the vise of September baseball comes out, what will this lineup do? Here’s a hint: this is the same core that made up the teams of the past two seasons. We know how those campaigns ended – feebly. MIABCHBRAVESFAN

Maybe our guys have grown up a little, maybe not. Only one way to find out and we’ll know soon enough. If forced to guess, I agree that we’re more likely to collapse again and maybe still get in as a wildcard where we are certainly more likely than not to lose given our now very long history of blowing decisive games.

phil

August 6th, 2012
1:54 pm

Nice job, Carroll….thank you.

Carroll Rogers

August 6th, 2012
1:56 pm

Phil, did you like it because your name was in the headline?!

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
1:56 pm

CC (Atlanta)

Why would Fredi bump Medlen from the rotation when Hanson comes back? First off Medlen is better than Hanson. Heck he might be the 2nd best starter we have after Huddy. I just don’t get the “VIP” treatment of Hanson. He’s not very good at all.

Jerry Crasnick (1:12 PM)

CC, That’s a tad harsh, I think. Hanson got whacked around in July, but he had a back issue that put him on the disabled list. He’s a 25 year old kid who has some inconsistency, but he’s still a better bet against an elite lineup in October. And as well as Medlen has pitched in a starting role, he’s very valuable to the Braves because of the flexibility he gives them in the bullpen. I know people love to knock Fredi, but I have a hard time criticizing him for this one.

Heisenberg

August 6th, 2012
1:56 pm

I have always thought if Mayberry got a chance to play everyday he could become a very good player. Now is his chance. Maybe just not for the 3 games though.

Carroll Rogers

August 6th, 2012
1:57 pm

we’ll see Bruce. He said he had a doctor’s appointment today but that it might be a few more days before he knew. he told me last Thursday it might be a week before he knew what was going on….

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
1:57 pm

CC (Atlanta)

Jerry — Hanson tops out at 87/88 now and walks the ballpark. And he isn’t a “kid”… that term is an excuse. 3 years ago he threw 94 and every year since he’s dropped 2-3mph off his fastball. The downward spiral is more than a fluke.

Jerry Crasnick (1:21 PM)

CC, I tend to be a little more forgiving of players early in their careers. I assume you probably bashed Jason Heyward a couple of years ago and lobbied for the Braves to trade him. Kris Medlen is a handy guy, but I think he’s more valuable in the swingman role than being in the rotation every fifth day. As for Hanson’s dropoff, I’m not sure how related it is to health issues. Sometimes pitchers get hurt. (Does the name “Jair Jurrjens” ring a bell?)

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
1:59 pm

CC (Atlanta)

Jerry — Hanson was diagnosed last year with a partially torn rotator cuff but did not require surgery. Since then it’s been all downhill. I just don’t see how he gets *it* back since shoulders are so problematic. And no, I never wanted Heyward gone. I worried more about him being injury prone than anything. And he is still a kid… big difference b/ him and Hanson.

Jerry Crasnick (1:29 PM)

CC, I agree with you that shoulder injuries are problematic. If Hanson isn’t healthy, that’s probably contributed to the decline in velocity. But I think Medlen is more a back-end, long relief guy than a pitcher who’s going to be a dominant starter in October.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a conversation like this occur in a ESPN chat. 3 questions and answers.

Al

August 6th, 2012
2:02 pm

Who wants Diaz back? Not I

nolie

August 6th, 2012
2:02 pm

Even Maholm might not be back – could be that his option is exercised and he is traded…Efrim

I’ll take that bet :)

TomahawkChoppin'

August 6th, 2012
2:03 pm

Bruce, I felt the same way about Ruiz as I was reading the article. It’s wild that Pence and Victorino had a higher average. I swear everyone of Ruiz hits came in a crucial situation. He was a thorn in our side. Sure wish they would’ve traded him away.

nolie

August 6th, 2012
2:03 pm

I wouldn’t be against using Juan at 3rd and keeping Prado in LF…Ark

I sure as heck would be against it :evil:

bruce

August 6th, 2012
2:05 pm

okay Carroll, thanks, got to be so frustrating for Matt. My heart is not feeling good about this one.
Have a great series, I know you will.

Arkansas Transplant

August 6th, 2012
2:05 pm

I wouldn’t trade one of our top pitching prospects, ie.. Teheran, Delgado, Minor or Gilmartin, to only add another starter. I’d stick with those guys though the offseason, why move one next season? You’ve got Hudson more than likely returning, Hanson will be back, Minor has shown he’s got quite a bit of value, Malholm with an affordable option. That basically leaves just the 5th spot in the rotation to fill with Beachy returning at some point, Delgado one year more experience and Teheran and Gilmartin in the wings. I’d prefer to add a top flight guy though FA without having to weaken our prospect depth.

Acana22

August 6th, 2012
2:06 pm

Bruce, the one that sticks out to me the most is Victorino – I think he was like 3-3 or 4-4 against Hudson last time. Just the most recent one I have.

Arkansas Transplant

August 6th, 2012
2:06 pm

I sure as heck would be against it

Explain.

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
2:06 pm

I’ll take that bet

I sort of doubt it too, nolie. 6.5 million for a solid back of the rotation starter who is never hurt is a good price.

I just think it’d be stupid to go with Hudson, Hanson, Maholm, Minor, and Delgado/Teheran/ or Medlen as the #5. Gotta go get someone to pair with Hudson. Tommy Hanson isn’t that guy anymore.

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
2:07 pm

Explain.

He makes lots of outs and isn’t a valuable defender? What more do you need?

TomahawkChoppin'

August 6th, 2012
2:07 pm

I dont see maholm being traded in the offseason. Baseball’s currency is young cost-controlled pitching. If Maholm were to ever be traded (which I think is unlikely) it will be for a blockbuster deal. Braves wouldn’t give him up to get second tier players. Maholm will be a Brave next year.

MiaBchBravesFan

August 6th, 2012
2:08 pm

phil: unlike Howard and Utley, who were allowed to develop during some bad Philly seasons, Freeman and Heyward have had to grow up FAST while playing under the crucible of playoff-striving baseball. That has not allowed them the chance to relax and grow. The rest of this team – except Chipper, but including McCann – struggles in late August/all September because each one of those guys thinks they have to carry the team. A crappy approach to take, granted, but when you force people like McCann and Uggla – who NEVER batted cleanup for the Marlins, for crissakes! – to carry the clutch hitting load, then players like Bourn, Prado, et. al. feel compelled to do things that go beyond their skill set or role.

Think about this: the best hitting month, if not one of the best, was that May two seasons ago when Troy Glaus had an uber-MVP month, with HR’s, RBI’s, and plus-.300 BA. When that type of bat disappeared for the rest of the season, the Braves became sickly and anemic.

This team for quite some time, has been one BIG brick shy of a load; they are there right now – again.

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
2:09 pm

I’d prefer to add a top flight guy though FA without having to weaken our prospect depth.

Minor, Medlen and Delgado aren’t prospects and Teheran will have had two full years in Triple-A. Time to figure out which ones we want to keep around and use the others to acquire a big time starter. Greinke isn’t signing here and we shouldn’t be committing 25% of our payroll into a starting pitcher.

keylargo

August 6th, 2012
2:12 pm

Veer @ 12:45 pm
Our rotation for 2013 is pretty much set
veer

Yeah, I say it’s down to 8 or 9 possiblilities.

cricket

August 6th, 2012
2:13 pm

TomahawkChoppin'

August 6th, 2012
2:15 pm

Arkansas are you a transplant from Arkansas now in Atlanta or vice versa?

cricket

August 6th, 2012
2:15 pm

Hudson Sheets Maholm Hanson Minor Medlen Delgado Teheran – revolutionary 8-man rotation in 2013

Brian from SC

August 6th, 2012
2:16 pm

Wow…we’ll see something like this in the Phillies lineup:

Rollins, Frandsen, Utley, Howard, Mayberry, Brown, Kratz, Schierholtz

Don’t want to take it for granted, but if the Braves play reasonably well, they should take this series.

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
2:17 pm

We have a lot of guys that profile as having a #3 starter ceiling and present back of the rotation types. We need to bring in a frontline pitcher to pair with Hudson. That needs to be a top priority this winter.

nolie

August 6th, 2012
2:22 pm

I don’t think Francisco will be a productive enough starter, never have Ark

MiaBchBravesFan

August 6th, 2012
2:23 pm

By the by, here’s a tidbit. Houston’s Maxwell, who hit the two winning dingers Sat., was a former Nationals farmhand. Marlin Mike Dunn dropped an easy out covering first Sat. night, opening the flood gates for the Nats to score six runs and win the game, increasing the Nats lead in the standings.

Who hit the grounder to first that Dunn dropped?

Adam LaRoche, who also hit a dinger earlier in the same game and has been RAKING for the Nats all year long – especially in the second half, which we all know he does.

Dunn & LaRoche? Former Braves.

Baseball is an eerie sport often times.

Gustopher

August 6th, 2012
2:24 pm

Great blog Carroll….

You said plantar

ACE

August 6th, 2012
2:25 pm

Let’s take another series from the Phils.

cricket

August 6th, 2012
2:27 pm

phils still have good starting pitchers. acceptable to win the series, off course try for the sweep

Arkansas Transplant

August 6th, 2012
2:30 pm

TomahawkChoppin’ vise versa

MiaBchBravesFan

August 6th, 2012
2:32 pm

If Francisco were playing in the AL for either the Mariners or Royals, and was allowed to DH and play 3B, which he doesn’t do very well, I think he could, at worst, be a 25 HR/80-90 RBI bat in relatively short time.

He is not a NL player. I have a hunch he could be another Big Papi. I think he could evolve into a power bat that can hit .270-.280 a season.

MikeInFl

August 6th, 2012
2:32 pm

So, all we need next year is a .300-hitting, HR-hitting, RBI machine for the middle of the lineup, and a #1 lock-down Ace starting pitcher.

cricket

August 6th, 2012
2:35 pm

just put Francisco in HOF and be done with it

kral

August 6th, 2012
2:37 pm

well ole juan has some dang pretty good stats as a starter..can’t stat them for you, but saw them mentioned the other night on the broadcast..but would not give up on him yet..3bmen are not easy to find..

John Lenin

August 6th, 2012
2:37 pm

All we are sayyiinng…is give Sheets a chance.

Random

August 6th, 2012
2:37 pm

Veer (August 6th, 2012 1:50 pm): ” you forgot to mention Jurrjens’ other starts where he got killed.”

Nope — they weren’t pertinent to refuting your allegation that it was “common knowledge” that Jurrjens was “finished” when the Braves decided to start him instead of Medlen when Beachy went down. He made four excellent starts before he started going downhill in the latter part of July.

“That Nationals loss was a 2 game swing. I am not making stuff.”

Well, you initally said that Jurrjens cost the Braves three games. That’s either exaggerating or making stuff up.

“Bottom line is if Medlen was starting we would be at worst tied or be in first.”

You can’t say that, because you do not know how many of the starts that Medlen did not make that the Braves would have lost — it’s all hypothetical. (And make-believe.)

“Jurrjens was finished when the spring training started.”

You are again exaggerating or making stuff up.

“In his starts he showed nothing and didn’t even have velocity. Shouldn’t take till end of July to realize Jurrjens is finished.”

Jurrjens had 4 lousy starts in April, 4 great starts in Jun/early Jul, and two more lousy starts in mid Jul. You are oversimplifying and jumping the gun when you say he is finished. If Coach says he is hurt, I for one believe it.

PS: Let me repeat my earlier stats on Jurrjens’ Jun/early Jul starts — 4 GS, 25.1 IP, 6 ERs (2.13 ERA), 24 Hs & 5 BBs (1.14 WHIP).

kral

August 6th, 2012
2:39 pm

since the first few days with us his de has not been bad

Murph

August 6th, 2012
2:39 pm

Hudson and Maholm will be kept because they are both affordable. So, you can check those two off your list.

1. Hudson
2. Maholm

Hanson will be kept because he has a history with the club and he’s young/cheap. Minor will be kept because he’s left-handed.

1. Hudson
2. Maholm
3. Hanson
4. Minor

That just leaves one slot to fill. My guess is they fill it with Teheran and trade Delgado. Medlen moves back to the pen and the rotation is set with Gilmartin and Medlen ready to fill in for injured starters when needed.

Delgado packaged with the right group of guys should be enough to land an impact OF bat.

George Stein

August 6th, 2012
2:40 pm

ITB Syndrome is this marathoner’s worst nightmare. That had me down for almost six months.

MiaBchBravesFan

August 6th, 2012
2:41 pm

The ONLY lockdown starter the Braves should trade for if they could sign him long-term resides in the kingdom of Seattle: King Felix.

Any attempt to sign Greinke is a Lowe-like waste of money. King Felix is the only true ace that the Braves would do well to try to trade for. I would trade Teheran or Delgado, plus lesser arms, for him. All other prospective FA’s are not worth either our time or money.

BF54

August 6th, 2012
2:42 pm

Good post on the Fan graphs article,I believe we are sitting in a good spot to make a push Frank and Fredi et al have been doing a good job preparing this team to make a run.

O'flarity's water bottle

August 6th, 2012
2:42 pm

Would we want Cliff Lee????

raleighbravefan

August 6th, 2012
2:44 pm

Efrim – A frontline pitcher would be a huge addition…Not sure who we could acquire or afford. Keep in mind, that we must replace CF (if no Bourn re-sign, which is unlikely) and either LF or 3B…that at the least. Plus, we need to improve the bench (maybe the Rev, for starters?) A lot to do. Should be interesting.

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
2:46 pm

Hanson will be kept because he has a history with the club and he’s young/cheap.

Provided he comes back this year and gives us an ERA of around 4 without walking the ballpark, I think it’s absolutely time to trade him to a more pitching hungry team (Kansas City, Mineesota, Baltimore, etc.). 89-90mph isn’t a frontline starter and that’s what we need. You could get a solid prospect package back or a CF headliner with a couple of prospects. His value isn’t super high, but I don’t think it’s super low either. Not if he gives us six solid weeks to end the year.

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
2:47 pm

And Hanson is just about to stop being “young and cheap”. Trick is to trade him now – which takes some guts, but is probably the right move. I don’t see him regaining velocity and ascending to that #1 starter ceiling he had as a minor leaguer.

Brian from SC

August 6th, 2012
2:48 pm

If the Braves were to put Hanson on the blog, teams would definitely see that as a red flag. I’m not confident the return would be all that great.

Brian from SC

August 6th, 2012
2:49 pm

*on the block

cricket

August 6th, 2012
2:49 pm

can’t afford to pay Greinke. can’t afford to pay Felix and he will cost a fortune in talent. i would like to see braves land Shields, underrated IMO. a legit at least no. 2 with actually affordable contract, in terms of money and years.

MiaBchBravesFan

August 6th, 2012
2:50 pm

Say NO!!! to Cliff Lee.

I do not see JJ OR Hanson with the Braves in 2013. Injuries. It’s all about many injuries.

CrαZy

August 6th, 2012
2:50 pm

Would we want Cliff Lee????

Hell No…. Have you ever seen his contract?

DS1

August 6th, 2012
2:51 pm

Way too early to try to figger out what the Braves need to do for the winter, IMHO. Way too many things can change or take a turn for the better/worse between now and then.

CrαZy

August 6th, 2012
2:51 pm

Murph I think you’re right, but there could be a small chance that Hanson could be someone that gets traded this off season…. Unless this current injury has ruined his value!!

Trader Jack

August 6th, 2012
2:52 pm

Efrim

Philly media seems to think they may bring up Tyler Cloyd for Wednesdays game.

Any thoughts?

DS1

August 6th, 2012
2:53 pm

We are a mid market team with a mid market payroll. We will not be getting a Cliff Lee or King Felix type pitcher.

We are going to have to develop our own #1 and #2’s.

TomahawkChoppin'

August 6th, 2012
2:54 pm

Arkansas, you wouldn’t happen to be JP?

unbelievable

August 6th, 2012
2:55 pm

89-90mph isn’t a frontline starter and that’s what we need.

Yeah, but our whole staff sits in that range. Im not ready to trade an injured Hanson for scrap parts.

TennesseePaul

August 6th, 2012
2:55 pm

If the Braves were to put Hanson on the blog

Chipper was on the blog for a moment there…

Heisenberg

August 6th, 2012
2:56 pm

Hanson is probably already a red flagged. Injury issues, arb elgible, & the devil as his agent. I have been saying for 2 years move him for whatever you can get in the offseason.

unbelievable

August 6th, 2012
2:56 pm

I don’t see him regaining velocity and ascending to that #1 starter ceiling he had as a minor leaguer.

I dont either, which means every scout out there probably agrees with us.

raleighbravefan

August 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

MiaBch – If you don’t see Hanson with the Braves in 2013, it will likely be that you have gone blind.

Murph

August 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

Personally I’d be plenty happy with trading Hanson… only problem is, all the warts that he’s shown this year are just as evident to other teams as they are to us. His value isn’t likely to be what it was even a few months ago.

They aren’t going to be able to flip Hanson and some prospects for an ace… unless one of those prospects is Teheran. I don’t see that happenin’.

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

If the Braves were to put Hanson on the block, teams would definitely see that as a red flag. I’m not confident the return would be all that great.

Every pitcher or player “on the block” has some sort of warts. San Diego didn’t trade Mat Latos because they thought he was a cornerstone type pitcher but really wanted minor leaguers for him. He was traded because of shoulder issues in the past and a bad attitude – but Cincy paid because pitching, even mid-rotation pitching, is coveted. I don’t think it’ll be an elite return because Hanson isn’t an elite pitcher – but he’ll bring back a solid package of players…..provided he can finish the last six weeks without getting hammered continuosly.

brian in roswell

August 6th, 2012
2:59 pm

I jus bought tix for august 16,I think for chlpers bobble head night. What day is the special pre game ceremony for him. It’s the last series of the year. I jus got tix for Aug 28fri. night. But I think its Saturday night. I know for sure its not the last game of the series year. Can help me out

Tomahawkin

August 6th, 2012
2:59 pm

@Ark Transplant….

I will be going back to Arkansas in 3 weeks (Jonesboro)

I cant wait to hit up Beale St and the World Famous BOOM BOOM ROOM….

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
3:00 pm

Im not ready to trade an injured Hanson for scrap parts.

He’s got three more years of control – you aren’t getting garbage or scrap parts for Tommy Hanson. He’d bring back more than that – just don’t think he is going to get you Dylan Bundy or Manny Machado. ;)

unbelievable

August 6th, 2012
3:00 pm

Per fangraphs, we have some flame throwers

Average fastball velocity:
Teheran – 92.8
Delgado – 92.5
Beachy – 90.9
Medlen – 90.8
Minor – 90.3
Hanson – 89.8
Hudson – 88.9
Maholm – 87.3

Tomahawkin

August 6th, 2012
3:01 pm

Gotta Take 2 out of 3 at CBP especially since there is no Chooch Ruiz in the Lineup…That dude kills us!

And the Curley W’s have a 4 game series against the AAA Houston DisAstros

The Curley W’s are gonna take the AAA Astros to the Woodshed

Arkansas Transplant

August 6th, 2012
3:01 pm

you wouldn’t happen to be JP?

Who’s JP?

MiaBchBravesFan

August 6th, 2012
3:02 pm

Yeah, but the rest of our staff knows how to pitch when their velocity sits at 88-89. Hanson has shown no such mastery. He is a fastball/slider pitcher who has nothing in the way of a developed off-speed game. They tried to change his mechanics to save his elbow and shoulder, and he failed. His “back” problems may sadly be more like shoulder problems. If he cannot learn to repeat a motion to save his shoulder/elbow, how in the hell will the stubborn mule learn to repeat a motion to develop an effective off-speed pitch.

He’s gone.

Pace

August 6th, 2012
3:02 pm

Enter your comments here

Efrim

August 6th, 2012
3:03 pm

I dont either, which means every scout out there probably agrees with us.

So what does that mean? He has no trade value, yet we should pay him 4 million to continue to kill his trade value? I think there is something in the middle that can be figured out. Like I said, not an elite prospect package – but a solid one for a solid pitcher like Hanson.

Tomahawkin

August 6th, 2012
3:03 pm

Suprisingly this is NOT a Statement Series…If you had asked me that in April that this was gonna be a huge series, I would’ve said U damn Skippy….but we put the Fatality on the phillies at home, so this is just another Ho Hum sort of affairs

Fly On The Wall

August 6th, 2012
3:05 pm

So who besides me thinks Dunn did that on purpose as pay back for the trade?

Oh and who do we complain to about the obnoxious loud mouth hurting my ears all night screaming let’s go whoever?

Fly

Arkansas Transplant

August 6th, 2012
3:05 pm

Tomahawkin, so your talking about heading to Memphis? What is that, about an hour drive from Jonesboro? I live in the NW part of Arkansas. I work in Fort Smith but live in a small town outside of the city.

kral

August 6th, 2012
3:06 pm

yeah I guess will just have to hope they are pitchers not just throwers

raleighbravefan

August 6th, 2012
3:06 pm

DS1 @2:53 – As Ed McMahon used to say, “you are right, sir”.

O.M.G.

August 6th, 2012
3:07 pm

Second that Fly!

MiaBchBravesFan

August 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

raleighbravefan: I’ll betcha a chicken and dumplings lunch at the Country Kitchen in Benson, NC that Hanson it not a Brave in 2013 – he will be traded.

Arkansas Transplant

August 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

Hanson might bring us a quality package of prospects but that could easily change depending on what he shows once he returns.

Tomahawkin

August 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

With a few exceptions, Phillies Fans have calmed down on their forum, I’m no longer getting death threats and being called a Hillbilly on their forum…

Braveone

August 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

From the previous blog which had 678 comments, nolie led the way with 29 posts. There were 116 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:

Rank Poster Frequency

1 nolie 29
2 JC Brave 28
3 The A Bomb 28
4 Jerry 26
5 Tomahawk Mafia 24
6 Lance 21
7 TheOnlyBravesFan 21
8 SNEAKY PETE 20
9 ChattTownBrian 17
10 David O’Brien 17
11 Venice Jim 17
12 ncscoots 17
13 Bravefaninok 15
14 Efrim 15
15 Fresh Meat 15
16 Capt.Mudd 14
17 CraZy 13
18 Mark 13
19 TNScott 12
20 Ward 12
21 Bat Masterson 11
22 Brian from SC 11
23 Disgusted 11
24 Jeff R 11
25 archie 10

TomahawkChoppin'

August 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

Nevermind AT. Thought you were someone else. I don’t know who will be leaving this offseason, but we will be trading one or two of our pitching prospects this offseason IMO. I think it is too soon to determine who, but the right deal will come along. Really don’t wanna see a free agent acquistion other than resigning Bourn. Move Prado to third and lets find a decent LF. NO big name just a second tier guy. Spend that money on Bourn and Mac, even though he has a ‘13 option.

cricket

August 6th, 2012
3:10 pm

The Nats have acquired Cesar Izturis from the Brewers, a source says. Mark DeRosa fighting a groin injury. Nats needed middle infield help.

— Adam Kilgore (@AdamKilgoreWP) August 6, 2012

counter with Tony Gwynn Jr. ;)

Tomahawkin

August 6th, 2012
3:10 pm

Arkansas Transplant

“Tomahawkin, so your talking about heading to Memphis? What is that, about an hour drive from Jonesboro? I live in the NW part of Arkansas. I work in Fort Smith but live in a small town outside of the city.”

Yes Jonesboro is an Hour From Memphis…

I lived in Fayetteville for 7 years…Damn I miss Dickson Street!

Does Fayetteville still not get the Braves Games???

When I was Out there, It was all Cardinal Nation with all their Bandwagon Fans

Brian from SC

August 6th, 2012
3:11 pm

Over their last 23 games, the Phillies are 0-6 against Atlanta and 12-5 against everyone else.

Bravo-n-Ktown

August 6th, 2012
3:11 pm

Maholm-Minor-Hudson-Sheets-Delgado-Medlen-Teheran will comprise Braves possibilities for rotation in 2013. Personally, I pray the Braves get rid of Hanson in a trade because he would bring the most back in return as far as a OF bat…imho.

With JJ dropping velocity, I think Tommy is headed down that less effective pathway too. Get something equitable while you can. Don’t stumble on Hanson like Wren did with JJ at 2011 trade deadline when he could have named his bat if he would have made a deal.

Tomahawkin

August 6th, 2012
3:12 pm

Man, The Chuck and Chernoff Show is Horrible when Its Just Chuck Oliver by himself…No disrespect to Chuck Oliver but he needs Chernoff in the Booth…Ditto for the Buck and Kincade Show

Brian from SC

August 6th, 2012
3:12 pm

*Correction, 0-6 vs. Atlanta and 12-6 against everyone else in their last 24 games.

Tomahawkin

August 6th, 2012
3:13 pm

Brian from SC

“Over their last 23 games, the Phillies are 0-6 against Atlanta and 12-5 against everyone else.”

Unlike Years Past, the Phillies have struggled against all teams in the Dirty East…We All used to be doormats during Their “Little” Run

TomahawkChoppin'

August 6th, 2012
3:14 pm

Brian that sounds like the Braves line from 2009 or 2010.

PDOG

August 6th, 2012
3:15 pm

Why can’t Sheets be the top of rotation guy? From what I have seen not to many other pitchers I rather have and have a feeling his price will not be to crazy.

brian in roswell

August 6th, 2012
3:15 pm

Anyone??? Is the chipper Jones pre game ceremony on Fri or sat of the last series of the year?

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