Braves quotes after Tuesday’s win against Miami

**FREDI GONZALEZ

On Medlen’s performance

“He gave us everything we wanted him to. He was trying to talk us into going one more inning, but no chance. He goes back (to start) on Sunday, and we’ll add another 20-25 pitches to his outing and hopefully get us deeper in the ballgame.”

On the win

“We had five guys with multi-hits today. Two nights in a row we’ve had to cover four innings out of the bullpen and we gave up one run yesterday and nothing today….

“We swung the bats well and pitched well, that’s a good combination. What did we turn, three or four double plays? Four with the one in the outfield. Those guys up the middle are doing a fantastic job, [Paul] Janish and Danny [Uggla].”

On team being 18-8 in July, much of the offense due to McCann

“Well, yeah. McCann, Heyward, Freeman _ that middle of the lineup is really clicking _ and Chipper when he’s in there. And you plug in Francisco every time Chipper needs a breather and he goes out and gives a tremendous performance offensively.

On Medlen not being overwhelmed

“He’s a baseball player. He likes to compete. He just happens to be a pitcher. I love the mound presence, I love getting the ball, back on the rubber, ‘Here it is,’ throw it. Murphy hits a home run on the third, fourth pitch of the game and that didn’t bother him. Here it is, hit another one. I like that. I like the tempo that he showed on the mound and he’s got an opportunity, with Tommy [Hanson] going on the DL, maybe get two or three starts and see what he can do.”

On his efficiency, 57 pitches in five innings

“Yeah, and he was trying to talk us into going back out. We weren’t going to let him do that.”

Would he have gone another inning if no rain delay?

“No, he was done after five. It’s not the pitch count, it’s sometimes going up and down, up and down [between innings]. And that last inning, Roger [McDowell] said I think he’s struggling a little bit now. So I think it was a good outing, for him to go on to the next one.”

On Jurrjens pitching scoreless ninth after being demoted

“He’s been great [handling the situation]. We didn’t want to use Kimbrel in that spot. We gave [Jurrjens] plenty [of time] to get warming up. As soon as O’Flaherty took the field in the eighth, he’s not used to that so we told him, ‘OK, you’ve got the ninth, so get loose.’ He did a nice job. In those situations the last thing you want to do is bring in a guy that’s not going to throw strikes, and he didn’t do that. He came in and pounded the zone, got a double play to end the game. And that’s good.”

**KRIS MEDLEN

Difficult to control any excitement/emotion?

“Honestly no. Compared to 2010 when I got the opportunity to start, I felt so much more calm this time. I think it helped me a lot. The only time I felt rushed was when I kind of felt like it might have been my last inning, when I walked Buck, I felt really quick and fast and I started pulling stuff. I just stepped back and told myself to slow down and I didn’t look up at the pitch count too much, just kind of tried to execute that pitch at that time and I think I did OK.”

On throwing a lot of strikes

“Sometimes that hurts me, and sometimes it doesn’t. When I get to execute my pitches when they are strikes, it works out. I thought Mac called a great game. We talked about it before and we just executed, went in and out on righties and lefties and stuck to the fastball pretty much. I think I threw a pretty good bit of fastballs. I was lucky enough to locate them. If you throw that many you probably should be able to locate them. If not, that’s when you get hit around a little bit. I got a couple double-play balls that helped me too. Defense helped me out behind me, and we put up some runs which is good.”

On emotions of first start back

“I was so much more calm. Like, if you asked me than the first start I had in 2010 or even my first start of my career it would have been completely different, but I just felt like I was in control. I was trying to pound the zone. I knew I had a pitch count but I wasn’t too worried about it. I just knew I had to be efficient and I was throwing strikes and Mac called a great game.”

Did you feel like you could have gone another inning?

“Even before it started raining they told me I was done and I was trying to talk them into letting me go back out but he just said ‘Good job. That’s all we needed from you. See you Sunday.’”

Nice to know you have another start coming Sunday?

“My career, I’ve taken it a day at a time and it’s just been different every day. So the fact that I get another start is good for me. And I’m happy about it. I’m glad it worked out for us today and we kept the win streak going and all that.”

On whether, if he hadn’t walked John Buck to start 5th, he might have talked them into another inning

“No, I don’t think so. I think they were expecting me to hopefully get five and I did. I kept my pitch count pretty low which is what I hoped I would do just so I can see if I could talk them into letting me go back out. But I didn’t want another at-bat; that’s for sure.”

On if it was a challenge reacquainting with getting up, getting down, lasting that long

“I do think that getting sent down to stretch out helped me out a little bit because I was mentally going through that when I did have to go down. I was like ‘Man, I have to get up again. I got to get up again.’ I felt calm the entire time. When I needed to make a pitch I think I executed it well and defense played well behind me.”

**BRIAN McCANN

On Medlen

“That guy impresses me all the time. I worked out with him this offseason. He’s such an athlete. We’d throw the football around and he doesn’t drop a pass. He’s one of those guys that’s an unbelievable athlete; he can do anything.

“They’ve thrown a lot at him this year. They’ve asked him to start, relieve, got to the minor leagues and come back. To keep your mental makeup and your mental toughness, that says a lot about who he is. He’s here to help this team win, and that performance right there – he started right where he left off in 2010. He was one of our best starters in 2010, but he got hurt. Picked it up tonight and he was right there again.”

On gaining a game finally on Nationals

“Yeah, it seems like they don’t lose. This is the best baseball we’ve played this year, and those guys are playing great too. They seem to win all the time, so to win and them lose [the same day], that’s big for us. We’ve just got to keep doing what we’re doing, putting together great at-bats, getting great starting pitching, and our bullpen speaks for itself, in my opinion.”

On his hot stretch of hitting in July

“I’ve been feeling good for a while now. The first half was … I have a lot of making up to do. So hopefully this next month I just keep going.”

On getting early leads in during the recent surge

“We have a really, really deep lineup. You look up and down our lineup, when Chipper’s in there and everybody’s in there – and Juan Francisco, when he’s playing he’s getting hot. D-Ross is killing it. We’ve got guys that are playing extremely well. You talk about us getting on pitchers – we have a deep lineup. Dan Uggla’s hitting seventh and he’s hit 30 homers five or six years in a row. That just shows you how deep we are.”

– Staff writer Carroll Rogers contributed to this report

92 comments Add your comment

Pace

August 1st, 2012
12:44 am

Hey DOB – thanks for staying late and getting these out. Looking forward to tomorrows Blog. Carroll – thank you too.

matt

August 1st, 2012
12:44 am

good job kris, lets hear jj’s reaction to his bullpen demotion! lol

Pace

August 1st, 2012
12:46 am

DOB – I would have liked to have heard your question and Fredi’s answer though – caught part of it on Braves Postgame show – sounded funny – gonna let us in on it?

Runner-

August 1st, 2012
12:51 am

Braves need to give Bourn a rest, his production has greatly been down these last few weeks, give Reed Johnson the start tommorow over Bourn, the man deserves some rest!! Also, if Dan doesn’t turn things around soon… either bat him8th or demote him

Keith

August 1st, 2012
12:52 am

Nice job as always.

Didn’t get to see the game tonight. Is Reed arriving tomorrw? or was he there already?

thanks,

GO BRAVES! :)

Fred

August 1st, 2012
1:07 am

Reed was there, and i think they said Maholm was getting here Wed or maybe Thurs

Quack Quack

August 1st, 2012
1:13 am

Great game Kris. Fine form, and will only get better. Who knows what will happen next?

Great at bats to run-up the pitch count, and make them pay. Good TEAM effort. Lets keep rolling all the way to October!

GO BRAVES!!! ;-)

Keith

August 1st, 2012
1:28 am

thanks, Fred!

BravesFanInNashville

August 1st, 2012
1:28 am

Great time of the year to bring Medlen along as a starter. Keep his inning count low in the first half while he recovers from Tommy John surgery and now he can start the rest of the way. He’s going to complete this rotation so we have 5 pitchers giving us a chance to win more times than not. Minor is the biggest question mark because he’s still learning but he’s worth being patient for. Look at Tom Glavine’s first couple of years. I see a big upside in Minor and Medlen. Bring back Beachy next year and we’ve got the start of another run of great pitching in Atlanta.

lee maye

August 1st, 2012
1:31 am

Where are the Francisco haters? The guy is going to strike out a lot, but so does Uggla. Francisco will hit .265 with about 25 HR’s and 75 RBI’s next year if given the chance. This winter, trade Uggla if you can find a taker, move Prado to his normal position of 2B and find a CF and LF with the 48 mil. Sign Bourn and find a LF.

BravesFanInNashville

August 1st, 2012
1:31 am

So glad we didn’t trade Delgado and so glad we got Maholm instead of Dempster because he didn’t want to be in Atlanta and Maholm is under contract for 2 more years. Plus we kept all of our top pitching prospects that haven’t had surgery. Sad to lose Viz but we had to give something of value to get these two players that can help us now.

BravesFanInNashville

August 1st, 2012
1:34 am

lee maye….. agreed we should move Martin back to 2B. I wonder if we can trade Uggla to a team that needs a 2B and has an extra OF that can help us. Even if we get little in return we can use the salary to sign a Free Agent OF or trade for one that is getting paid well.

Honestly it wouldn’t have shocked me to see Uggla traded yesterday for an outfielder and see Martin back at 2B.

Rowsdower

August 1st, 2012
2:06 am

I don’t see anyone taking on Uggla’s contract until he shows he can consistently hit. A Major League hitter should be able to make adjustments quicker than this. He is clearly leaning back on every swing trying to jack it. He certainly isn’t listening to Walker, so maybe it’s time for Chipper to slap him around. I know he’s a streaky hitter, but this is ridiculous. I’ve seen him K feebly on 3 pitches too many times in July to be excited about him contributing down the stretch. Please prove me wrong…

Nice to know we have the pieces to put him in the cooler for 2-3 days to get his head out of his ass. Maybe he needs a wakeup call. It’s a 2 month season now. No more time for ego stroking. We have a 4 game lead in the Wild Card (no laughter) and we’re gaining on the Snatchionals.

Keep Rolling!

NorCal Brave

August 1st, 2012
2:16 am

Pastornicky……now just 10 home runs behind Uggla.

braveschipper

August 1st, 2012
3:05 am

I am not worried about Uggla one bit ! We don’t need him now to get on a streak, let him continue to struggle but when September comes I am sure he is going to heat up! I was never worried about McCann either I knew he will turn it around. Uggla will do the same!

Columbus

August 1st, 2012
3:24 am

Ditto braveschipper….speaking of Chipper, I joined twitter today just because of him. I am 44 years old and NEVER planned on ever doing that. But hey if Chipper did it, I can too. And of course,, he is the only person I care to hear from in the twitter universe….

Columbus

August 1st, 2012
3:30 am

LOL all of you talking about trading Uggla are out of your minds….ROFL. Stop talking about trading him, your in fantasyland. Its not happenng nor does it NEED to happen. He will work his way out of it just like he did last year and he will be the best hitter in the NL when he does and he will be a monstar come September and October. You guys turn on anyone in a hearbeat and your baseball IQ’s are very low. Uggla is streaky. Get over it. He is our RH power hitter and he is NOT going anywhere.

The ONLY people not supporting Uggs is some of the fans. The players are 100% behind him and he will come out of this and you will LOVE him again and be so glad he is STILL on the team….I ASSURE YOU OF THAT JUNIORS

Quack Quack

August 1st, 2012
6:47 am

@braveschipper…Uggla is not hurting us to keep “running him out there”, so maybe he will spark with his 30+ game streak like last season, although time is getting short. Maybe BMac could take him to his Brother & Father for some advise. It sure has worked for Brian.

GO BRAVES!!! ;-)

Buddy Landel

August 1st, 2012
6:51 am

Good to see Francisco take the ball to LF once in a while/ There’s a lot of grass to be found out there.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
7:13 am

Columbus,

Uggla has been in a hitting funk since Spring Training started in February…that’s six straight months, Sparky!

If stupidity hurt, you’d go through life on a morphine drip.

dap01

August 1st, 2012
7:17 am

Does Hanson fit on the team anymore?

BravesFan99

August 1st, 2012
7:42 am

Kris Medlen is much better then Minor. Put Minor in the pen and let Medlen do what he needs to do, start. Keeping a starter like Medlen in the pen has hurt us all year long. We deserve the best and so does this team. Keep Medlen as a starter.

PaulG

August 1st, 2012
7:47 am

Strange ….it seems that when the braves win fredi has nothing to do with it but when they lose all the problems in braves land are his fault with a bit of opprobrium left for wren

Ralph

August 1st, 2012
7:53 am

Tell em Lary!

Ralph

August 1st, 2012
8:05 am

I think Hanson is excess baggage now, they should have put him out there on the block before the deadline, everone who knows anything about baseball knew at he beginning of the season that Kris would get the job done and they have screwed him around un-mercyfully. Not much they can do now about Tommy, just “keep sending him out there” and hope for the best and when he comes back just screw Kris around some more.

bustersonly

August 1st, 2012
8:09 am

I hope Medlen gets Boris for his agent so he can screw them around when the time comes, JUSTICE shall be served.

Ralph

August 1st, 2012
8:11 am

Agree Buster!

birdo

August 1st, 2012
8:11 am

Why don’t we hear a lot about Franciso, this guy if doing a great job.? He can hit on all sides of the plate. Great job by Chris last night. Why don’t we hear about him becoming a starter? I would suggest that we bring him back slow and keep him in rotation.

birdo

August 1st, 2012
8:15 am

Uggla will come out of slump at the right time. Just when we need him. We don’t need him now.

Ralph

August 1st, 2012
8:20 am

Medlen was brought up before Hanson because he was better than him then and he still is. If they are going to keep Hansn in the rotation he should be the 5th starter or better yet go to a 6 man rotation and keep Meds in there.

Ralph

August 1st, 2012
8:24 am

What makes you peope think Uggla will come out of it when we need it or ever, and we needed it in April, not September. If he had been there in April we wouldn’t be worring about September.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
8:39 am

Ralph,

Agree on Medlin over Hanson…amazing how long it has taken Fredi and Wren to figure this out (maybe I’m not so amazed after all when it comes to Fredi).

PayulG,

I’ll bite!

Possibly the easiest professional sport to “manage” is baseball. Why? Because not only are there few in game decisions, but when your team is both hitting and pitching like the Braves have been doing for the past 25 games or so there’s very little a manager must do other than filling out the lineup card and knowing when his starter is done.

But that’s not what makes an elite MLB manager…

As we saw with Cox the booger picker, and have witnessed now with his chosen successor, being afforded the talent by the Braves’ farm and scouting systems, coupled with a GM that can sign or trade for more talent, the Braves have been winning the majority of their regular season games to qualify for the playoffs in 15 of the past 21 seasons. However, do you recall what this manager accomplished last September given what nearly everyone thought was an insurmountable lead for a playoff berth? Do you not recall how Cox lost the last postseason game (thus deciding series) in 16 of his 17 chances (including the 1982 Braves and 1987 Blue Jays)? You HAVE to be a bad shorts series, in-game situational and circumstantial manager to watch the other team celebrate on the pitcher’s mound 16 out of 17 times! Just think of the odds of this happening!

I judge Fredi–or any other manager–on how they manage to make a critical in-game decision, especially when the bats aren’t so hot or in a 5 or 7 games series. And to this point, all things considered Fredi Gonzalez gets an “F” for managing as his buffoonery with lineups and pitching decisions has to the date this season has cost this team a good 10 victories; that 10 extra victories should have this team in front by 7.5 games right now…where they should and would be with, say, Joe Girardi as their manager.

Lobosolo

August 1st, 2012
8:58 am

Lah-reeeeeeeee! Lahreeeeeeee!!!!! La-Reeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Not only is he the most astute baseball man on the planet (because he was, as we all know by now, a really good player at one time), but he is also the now and why when it comes to judging others who happen to have a job THAT HE DOES NOT!!!

How’s your team doing thse days, Larry Boy? Oh, that’s right, you don’t actually have one… Perhaps you should should consider hiring the almost-equally (unless of course, he was a really good player at one time, too) astute Ralphie to be your dugout sidekick… the missing piece, so to speak… package yourselves as the key and go talk to the Liberty boys… you can convince them that just because Frank and Fredi have led the team to the very brink of the best record in baseball, you two omnipotents could take the Braves to the Promised Land!!! Parades down Peachtree!!! Larry and Ralphie are here!!! Whoooooootttttt!!!!

Tumbledown

August 1st, 2012
9:11 am

Larry – I thought Joe Torre managed the Braves in 1982. I don’t believe Cox was with the team in any capacity that year. So, you can’t blame Cox for that one.

Tumbledown

August 1st, 2012
9:22 am

I would like a detailed list of all of the bad tactical decisions Bobby Cox made in each of the Braves’ post-season losses. It is one thing to toss around sweeping generalizations, it is another thing to come up with specific details in support of one’s point. I just want to see if we can accurately blame Cox or perhaps some of the blame should shift to the players on the Braves or better yet, maybe actual credit should be given to the other teams.

Billy Bruton

August 1st, 2012
9:23 am

Hope we didn’t get Reed Johnson at the end of his lifespan, (ala B.J. Surhoff). By the way where is Livan?

Good Grief Charlie Brown

August 1st, 2012
9:25 am

@Tumbledown: and Jimy Williams managed the 1987 Blue Jays. oh dear god, why did you ask for a ‘detailed list’ from Larry? ;-)

harry taylor

August 1st, 2012
9:26 am

Larry- The Braves are hitting??? At last look you have a second baseman hitting .209(Mendoza line is close), shortstop hittting somewhere around .176 and the cleanup batter last night(McCann) hitting .243. They are 16th overall in hitting in mlb.
Also 14th overall in era.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
9:27 am

Tumbledown,

Your’e right…my bad.

I remember now, he was fired after the 81 season because he could’t get a pretty talented roster with Horner, Murphy, Butler, Chambliss, Washington, Royster, Watson, Pocoroba, Neikro, Walk, Mahler, Boggs, Camp, Garber and others over the hump as evidenced by Torre taking care of that little shortcoming the very next season.

LoboSoDumb,

You have such a small anatomy…you’re AWOL from here you dimwitted coward when the Braves aren’t going wo well.

You are so stupid you trip over a cordless phone, and as useless as a screen door on a submarine.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
9:27 am

Tumbledown,

Your’e right…my bad.

I remember now, he was fired after the 81 season because he could’t get a pretty talented roster with Horner, Murphy, Butler, Chambliss, Washington, Royster, Watson, Pocoroba, Neikro, Walk, Mahler, Boggs, Camp, Garber and others over the hump as evidenced by Torre taking care of that little shortcoming the very next season.

LoboSoDumb,

You have such a small anatomy…you’re AWOL from here you dimwitted coward when the Braves aren’t going wo well.

You are so stupid you trip over a cordless phone, and as useless as a screen door on a submarine.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
9:31 am

harry taylor,

What is it about “the past 25 games” do you not understand?

You are so dumb, you play solitaire…for cash.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
9:32 am

Okay, 1985, Charlie….didn’t bother to look it up and guessed.

Geez at the pork rind goobers on here.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
9:32 am

Okay, 1985, Charlie….didn’t bother to look it up and guessed.

Geez at the pork rind goobers on here.

Good Grief Charlie Brown

August 1st, 2012
9:43 am

@Larry: don’t forget the Budweiser…you can’t have pork rinds w/o a beer.

if you’re gonna rant, at least be somewhat accurate about it.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
9:45 am

Tumbledown,

The slow, deliberate lefty, Charlie Leibrandt facing the righty, Kirby Pucket hitting the winning homer in the 11th inning, game six, 1991.

The same lefty, Charlie Leibrandt facing the righty, Dave Winfield, in game six, 1992, and giving up a two run double in the 11th (again) to lose the World Series.

Blowing a 3-1 lead in the 96 world series losing all three home games…allowing a pither that throws 100 mph in Wohlers to through a slider to Leyritz? Stupid!

And did Cox every do anything to manufacture a run in the postseason during all those one run loses? No! He just sat, and sat, and sat, and sat, and waited for the homerun that is so rare and unpredictable when facing the elite pitching yougenerally can expect in the LCS and World Series.

Larry

August 1st, 2012
9:48 am

Charlie,

Wrong…pork rind goobers chose between Pabst and Schlitz Malt Liquor.

Ken Stallings

August 1st, 2012
9:55 am

Just to temper the enthusiasm a small bit (the team is playing great ball at this time) the Braves are enjoying a stretch of games against weak sisters in the NL. Now, it is one thing to have that opportunity, but another to take advantage of it! The Braves are playing very well and balanced and are beating the teams they are supposed to beat.

For me the more impressive series remains the four game split at Washington. It represents their last two losses, but Washington is an outstanding team.

Kris

August 1st, 2012
10:02 am

Kris should have started beginning of the season period. He was the best pitcher out of spring training.

Good Grief Charlie Brown

August 1st, 2012
10:25 am

@Larry: wrong. no self-respecting pork rind goober would go anywhere near ‘The Bull’. now, if we’re talking original Schlitz then, go for the gusto!

and it’s PBR man…PBR!

John Lenin

August 1st, 2012
10:26 am

Just because someone has a job & is paid a lot of money doesn’t mean he’s good at it.Larry is spot on in his assessment of FG & Booger.

jim

August 1st, 2012
10:32 am

The challenges of managing a baseball game are different than basketball and football (and hockey), but are no less difficult. Basketball is mostly about match ups and having to adjust to foul trouble and momentum swings. The biggest difference between baseball and football is the time frame. Baseball is played every night and the manager has to be thinking two or three games ahead when he makes pitching changes. In baseball (and soccer) you don’t have unlimited substitutions so you have to anticipate situations 2 or more innings ahead when you make a move. In-game, baseball is played at a slower pace and a manager has more time to consider his move, but in football there is only 1 game a week — the coach does not have to consider the ramifications of any move on a future game (except removing a star player in a rout to avoid injury) and most of the in-game strategy is devised and practiced during the preceding week (so in that respect the coach has more time to contemplate his moves). There are many moves in all three sports that are automatic — can be made by any competent professional without much thought, but the number of in-game decisions that require a real decision or reaction from the coach/manager are probably about the same for all sports.

It is strange that Larry is touting his ability to manage the team better than Fredi or Bobby and at the same time demeaning the skill that the job entails.

PaulG

August 1st, 2012
10:48 am

Larry, why do you have to resort to such invective in responding to your critics?
Also,for all experts on managing please read the classic bill James book on evaluating managers. For some here it will be illuminating

PaulG

August 1st, 2012
10:51 am

Harry Taylor makes a very good point….the teams record is somewhat flattering considering the overall performance & injuries

Larry

August 1st, 2012
11:04 am

“but the number of in-game decisions that require a real decision or reaction from the coach/manager are probably about the same for all sports”

Jim (capitalize your name, goober),

This last comment perfectly exemplifies your utter, utter unabashed ignorance about managing. For one to argue that a baseball manager makes the same number of in-game decisions as, say, a football coach, who has to call every single play within a few seconds, shuttle in the right personnel for such a play, and alter game plans depending upon the score and circumstance is, quite frankly, possibly one of the single most stupid things I have ever read in a sports blog…and that’s saying something!

After filling out the lineup, and other than his predetermination of lifting Medlen after five innings, just how many in-game, situational decisions did Fredi have to make last night?

Geez…In the battle of wits, you fight unarmed!

jim

August 1st, 2012
11:06 am

Larry,

I don’t think Cox was calling pitches. The pitch to Leyritz was chosen by Wohlers and his catcher (Lopez?). Liebrandt was pitching in extra innings in those two games because the right-hand arms out of the pen had already been used. Liebrandt was a double digit winner and key member of both of those teams. He was not a situtational pitcher brought in to face a particular batter. but a good starter with previous WS experience who could go multiple innings in an extra inning game. (Pucket was the first batter he faced in the 11th in 1991, but Winfield was not the first batter in 1992) As a starter, he was able to get out both left and right hand hitters during the season. The Liebrandt move is the one usually trotted out by Cox detractors to cite why the Braves only won one WS during the 14-year span because there were not a lot of glaring decisions by Cox that led to those defeats. The plays that had more impact on those games were mistakes or plays not made by players — Justice not touching 3rd base when trying to score in a 1 – 0 loss to Pitt in ‘91 (saved by Avery and Smoltz from being remembered for ever in Braves history), Justice and Gant allowing a ball to drop in between them in the middle innings of the Puckett game that permitted the game to go into extra innings in the first place, the Lonnie Smith base running goof in game 7 of the ‘91 series, Dye being distracted by the foul line umpire on a foul fly that gave Jeter an extra AB and started the Yankee comeback rally in the Leyritz game, Belliard bobbling a DP grounder and only getting 1 out and leaving 2 base runners on for Leyritz instead of 1, Maddux getting hit in the leg with a line drive in game 6 of the Philly series in ‘93 and not being effective afterward, Sheffield trying to out slug Bonds in the 2001 NLCS and going practically 0 for the series. The biggest error Cox made in managing the playoffs came in his last series when he didn’t replace Conrad at 2B with Diory Hernandez at the start of the 9th inning and took out Kimbrell after the Sanchez hit. The biggest reason the Braves won only one WS in that span was that they didn’t have a good enough or deep enough bullpen –

Tumbledown

August 1st, 2012
11:15 am

Larry, i understand tha Cox made some moves in the post season that backfired. For instance, his weak all right-handed lineup against the Padres (Stirling Hitchcock was the pitcher) in Game Six of the NLCS was not wise in such a big game.

But, I feel like we could point out such mistakes with most managers. Tony Larussa has made some blunders in the World Series. He certainly could be faulted some for his A’s teams losing badly in the 1988 and 90 World Series. At the same time, there were alot of events that transpired in the Braves’ WS that simply cannot be blamed solely on Cox. The players have to make the plays. That did not happen. Lonnie Smith did not pick up the ball in Game 7 of the 1991 WS; Jeff Reardon blew Game 2 of the 1992 WS. You switch a couple of plays, and the Braves may have won both the 91 and 92 World Series. I could go on and on.

The bottomline: It is way too simplistic to just blame Cox and/or Fredi for all of the Braves’ late season or post-season failures.

Tumbledown

August 1st, 2012
11:17 am

Thus, I agree with jim (just read your post)!

Larry

August 1st, 2012
11:25 am

jim and Tumbledown,

Good points, but I’lll stick by my comment that for a manager to have a 1-15 record in the last game of the postseason is more than just bad luck.

a 1-15 won/loss record at any time and under any cirsumstance is horrendous no matter how you defend it. Give any, ANY other major league manager the talent to win the majority of 162 games on 16 seperate occasions to quality for the postseason over just 4-5 teams in a division and no way on earth they come out with only one championship.

Bobby Cox is simply the worst post season manager in all of professional sports history…no one is a close second!

Be A Grinderer

August 1st, 2012
11:33 am

You never get quotes from Dan Uggla after games. Why not?

jim

August 1st, 2012
11:36 am

Larry,

A head football coach works with the offensive coordinator in devising a game plan, but during the game it is the coordinator actually calling the plays. The head coach might suggest a play or strategy revision during the game but rarely calls multiple plays on the fly. Same thing with the defensive calls. The defensive coordinator and special teams coaches are responsible for shuttling in players during the game and most of those moves are automatic — third and five, this set of players go in, etc. the head coach is more like a CEO that manages his chief assistants while they manage the game. Neither the head coach nor his assistant is calling every offensive play in real time. If the scripted sequence of plays or original game plan is not working, changes in the pattern of play calling will be made during the time the defense is on the field. The quarterback will also audible the particular play from a sequence at the line of scrimmage. The defensive coordinator is the one who has to do more of the play to play adjustments during a game. A head football coach is much more dependent on his staff for game-time decisions than a baseball coach.

How many in game decisions did Fredi have to make last night? About as many as a head football coach has to make in a 35-7 rout. In an extra inning game a decision that a manager has to make is — do I run for McCann here in the 9th to try and get the winning run to score knowing that if it doesn’t McCann’s spot in the order could come up in a crucial situation two innings later. Fredi’s managing of the pen in the 2nd game of the DH in Wash.. was very much predicated on what went on in the previous two games and what was needed for the next two. He did not have the luxury of using his best combination in that spot — he had to live with the consequences of the day and game before and think of the day after. That is not something a football coach has to worry about.

I don’t capitalize my name to distinguish my post from another Jim. I don’t see how I write my name upsets you so much that you have to resort to name calling. It does not reflect very well on the level of intelligence you claim to have.

David O'Brien

August 1st, 2012
11:38 am

You never get quotes from Dan Uggla after games. Why not?

Sorry, but completely false.

Be A Grinderer

August 1st, 2012
11:38 am

Pretty good video on Justice during rain delay. I learned that he was very smart. He skipped 7th & 8th grades and was in 3rd year of college at age 19. I also learned that media twisted his words when he said “It would be nice to have a packed stadium like Cleveland does every game” into “Justice hates Braves fansfor not coming to games”. What a shame media…

Be A Grinderer

August 1st, 2012
11:41 am

Ok. Win or lose next game whether he goes 0-5 or 5-5 gets his quotes. Prove me wrong!

Tumbledown

August 1st, 2012
11:42 am

Larry – I agree that Cox’s post season record is not good and that some blame is rightfully accorded to him. This may not change your mind that Cox is the worst post-season manager of all time, but consider this. From 1991 through 2001, his teams won twelve playoff series and lost nine playoff series. Remember, before 1969, a team only had to win one playoff series to win it all. Starting in 1995 (when the Braves won the WS), a team had to win three playoff series. So, Cox did have success as a playoff manager in this eleven-year period where he was probably managing most of his best teams.

I think from 2002 onward, the organization as a whole accumulated so much baggage, that psychologically the team was behind the eight-ball when they entered the playoffs. Also, from 2002-2010, the Braves were not nearely as good as the 90’s team. Finally, let’s remember that it took the rise of an all-time great Yankees dynasty to really alter the Braves’ playoff fortunes.

I don’t think I have changed your mind, but hopefully caused you to think some. Do people accord as much blame on Mark Levy for losing four straight Super Bowls, or does he get a pass merely because his teams were not competitive in each Super Bowl?

Tumbledown

August 1st, 2012
11:45 am

I forgot, the Bills could have won in their first Super Bowl appearance against the Giants, but lost due to a missed field goal. Does the coach take the full blame for this?

Sorry for the digression. Back to Braves baseball.

Be A Grinderer

August 1st, 2012
11:45 am

Read post at 2:06am. Says it all.

Be A Grinderer

August 1st, 2012
11:49 am

You forget that Bills have one kicker but Braves have many pitchers and hitters so a manager can have more impact in baseball to winning and losing based on his managerial moves.

Tumbledown

August 1st, 2012
11:54 am

I don’t forget that. Larry indicated that baseball managers make fewer in-game decisions than football coaches. He implies that baseball managers have less effect on the game’s outcome than other sports’ coaching leaders. Yet, he places most of the blame on Cox for the Braves’ post-season failures. How can this be reconciled if a baseball manager really does not affect the game relatively speaking?

Larry

August 1st, 2012
12:10 pm

jim,

Sean Peyton (before his banishment), Mike Holmgren, Ken Whisenhunt, Andy Reid, Norv Turner, Mike Shanahan and former coaches like Bill Walsh, Tom Landry–to name just a few–call every single play for the offense. Current head coaches like Bill Billichick (heard of him?), Lovie Smith and Rex Ryan callas every single play for the defense. I can name more!

You were saying?

Larry

August 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

Further, other than the just retired Tony La Russa, I’m not sure there’s a MLB manager today that has even a college degree.

No way on earth, Jim and Tumbledown, we are even close to suggesting a Fredi Gonzalez or Ozzie Guillen, for example, have anything close to the IQ and cognitive capacity of a Bill Bilichick or Sean Peyton.

Imagine Fredi Gonzalez calling every play in an NFL game…not happening!

Yogi Berra

August 1st, 2012
12:22 pm

This was report earlier by DOB I believe, Francisco as been spending time everyday working with Walker & Flecher on his hitting and getting meaning at bats..I believe it has paid off. Thanks Walk & Flex for the great job! Also DOB for all inside reports.
Give’em hell Juan!

Larry

August 1st, 2012
12:25 pm

On other hand, is there a single NFL or NBA Head Coach WITHOUT a college degree?

Baseball is a very, very simple game to play (I did such for nine years) and manage. Otherwise, how do you have dimwits like Guillen, Baker and Gonzalez in a leadership role…think any of these blockheads could comprehend and NFL playbook? LOL!

Amber Girl

August 1st, 2012
12:27 pm

Good Morning Mr Berra. Whiskey is resting comfortable. No change. Question: Should I come out as Samantha since everyone thinks I am or should I just carry on?

Yogi Berra

August 1st, 2012
12:35 pm

If you are not Samantha then don’t change nothing..you are who you are, be proud and stand your ground.
Tell Whiskey I’m hoping and praying for his recovery. Have faith and pray.

Amber Girl

August 1st, 2012
12:43 pm

OK I will do that. But please believe me when I tell you that I am just dumb Amber. No one else.

Cheetah Lounge

August 1st, 2012
12:54 pm

Amber Girl,

Found you…now get back down here and get to work!

ROTFLMAO!

Yogi Berra

August 1st, 2012
12:58 pm

U are not dumb. Who told you that? Believe and work to improve what you wish to learn. You are a human being and God don’t make trash. Get that dumb crap out of your head..

Amber Girl

August 1st, 2012
1:09 pm

I am just 13 and it upsets me when I try so hard to be nice and learn and then people cut me down. Don’t you see that above from Cheetayh lounge. I am just upset with everyone except you because they think that I am some one else. They don’t believe me so therefore that makes me DUMB AMBER.

Yogi Berra

August 1st, 2012
1:25 pm

People like the @12:54 will always make fun of others..it makes them feel big are important. I know it hurts when people talk about you but just consider the source. Just be yourself and when someone says something bad just don’t reply because you know better.

Amber Girl

August 1st, 2012
1:34 pm

I’ll try. Be back later. gone for ice cream.

jim

August 1st, 2012
1:51 pm

Levy had one real opportunity to win a Super Bowl — the first wide-right game. The next three appearances his team was over-matched.

jim

August 1st, 2012
2:02 pm

A college degree, or its absence is no indicator of IQ. There are a lot of smart people without a college degree and more than a few dumb ones with one. This is particularly true of many college football and basketball players who are kept eligible if at all possible by the college officials and might get a degree in something like athletic management where they go through a series of highly screened courses taught by a faculty more committed to keeping hem eligible than providing them with an education.

Amber Girl

August 1st, 2012
2:15 pm

I’m back. One boyfriend give away.

jim

August 1st, 2012
2:22 pm

Ozzie Guillen might be a jerk, but that does not mean he is an idiot. I am not nominating Fredi for Mensa membership or suggesting he is a good manager, but I’m not going to say he is a dimwit either because he comes off badly in his interviews. Bobby Fisher was a “genius” in playing chess, but that did not translate into any noticeable ability in other facets of life. A chess master sees patterns on the board and can envision how the pattern will evolve. He does not analyze scores of possibilities before the move the way a computer or an amateur would. In fact when playing a talented amateur whose move do not conform to standard patterns, the grand master loses some of his/her advantage over the opponent. The same could be said about a good football coach. I’m not minimizing the job of a football coach, but not overstating it either. Good coaches/managers have an instinctive ability developed from years of playing the sport and moving up the coaching ladder. There jobs are different in each sport but no less demanding.

Kendell Jones

August 1st, 2012
2:41 pm

It is so easy to set in your palace, and in your golden chair, and criticize the players, the coaches, and the Manaager. I see everybody diagnosing the problems of the Braves, and now I ask the question. How many of you ever played baseball above the high schol level?, if you even did that. I am not an expert, nor do I ever expect to be. The only thing I know is I enjoy watching the Brraves play, and enjoy it more when they win. I have done some criticising in the [ast, but that is now behind me. And you guys (all of you) need to get over it.

jim

August 1st, 2012
2:44 pm

Yogi,

Walker and crfew get a lot of credit for working with Francisco and making him into a productive component of the team. Juan also deserves credit for getting into noticeably better shape as the season has progressed and changing his approach to get those hits to left field as he did the last two nights. It is instructive that he was not moved to the Yankees for bullpen help as may have been the case only two weeks earlier. (The Yankees needed a RH 3B replacement player to complement Chavez, not a LH one, but there were other teams with a need for a bench player/ 3B help. He is more valuable to the Braves than the player they could get in return.

With Gattis back healthy and picking up where he left off, the need for a big RH bat could be filled internally if he shows he can play a minimally acceptable LF. The strongest lineup for the Braves next year could include Gattis in left, Francisco at 3B, and Prado at 2B. If the Braves could get someone to take Uggla if the Braves pick up half his salary, they still come out ahead. Prado will get the same money wherever he plays, but Francisco + Gattis will be cheaper than 1/2 of Uggla’s salary for the duration of the Uggla contract and give better production than having Uggla on the team.

Lobosolo

August 1st, 2012
3:30 pm

Whooooooooo, Lah-Reeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! You didn’t tell us all you were an expert in football, too… You must have played that “really good”, too…. Your legend continues to grow…… and those insults!!!! WOW!!! You must have been a pretty good insulter when you were a child and held on to them to pad the legend that is yourself…..

Why don’t you enlighten us again on why it is you aren’t a baseball/football gm/manager/coach/player/etc.etc.. Surely talents and knowledge of such magnificent heights should be earning the big bucks in professional sports rather than doing whatever it is you do currently….

Go Lah-reeee. Go Lah-reee Go Lah-reee!!!!

They need to start thinking about getting that statue of you sitting on your behind in front of the TV with your laptop cast… cast two of them for Turner Field and the Dome…. Wait a minute, what about basketball? Did you used to be really good at that, too, thus making you the omnipotent authority on the NBA as well??? Cast three if so (and I’m betting you do fancy yourself as a b-ball expert as well) and put one at Phillip’s….

You are a true Legend to Beat Off all Legends……

Amber Girl

August 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

Mr Lobosolo, You are funny,but not nice.

Got It Figured Out

August 1st, 2012
3:38 pm

Amber Girl = Samantha = one in the same
Yogi Berra = New Mexico Lee =

Got It Figured Out

August 1st, 2012
3:40 pm

Meaning from earlier post….. all 4 handles the same person

Amber Girl

August 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

Yes I have it figured out. You are not only wrong. You are also a bully and a JERK

Ron M

August 1st, 2012
3:57 pm

I have read several blogs about the Braves rotation next year and the speculation that surrounds it. One thing that will not will be Beachy back next year. He had TJ surgery in May and the prognosis is 12 to 18 months. My mathmatical skills being ok, he will be ready realistically in late August(earliest) and more than likely 2014.

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