Braves’ trade for Maholm and Johnson was strong

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SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:11 pm

looks like The Ear Mole is our old ultra-liberal troll I see. that would be Lou/Earl perhaps?

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:12 pm

“Hanson’s days of service will affect his arb clock for whoever trades for him — which will affect what they will be willing to offer ”

I thought only OCD bloogers paid attention to that stuff. Surely no front office will actually calculate remaining service time in making a deal! <g>

Shaun

July 31st, 2012
5:12 pm

abeeewright, when it can save an organization at least a few million dollars, I can understand delaying a call-up. Unless you think that player is going to be an absolute stud, there is really no point in it. Not many players can make all that much of an impact in roughly two months worth of games.

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
5:12 pm

I cant imagine JJ back on the radar. if anything it puts delgado back in the conversation

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:12 pm

I am not a Gearrin fan either.

unbelievable

July 31st, 2012
5:13 pm

Hanson on DL with back strain

BFChris27

July 31st, 2012
5:13 pm

Neftali Feliz has to have TJ Surgery.

Brian from SC

July 31st, 2012
5:14 pm

Looks like Meds will get a few starts or else JJ is back on the radar.

Jurrjens will be the roster move associated with Maholm.

The Dude Abides... Still

July 31st, 2012
5:14 pm

Hanson with a “Lower Back Strain” Sure he does.

JC Brave

July 31st, 2012
5:14 pm

MLB ‏@MLB
BREAKING: @Rangers RHP @NefFeliz to undergo Tommy John surgery, miss rest of 2012 season.

Ouch!

Brian from SC

July 31st, 2012
5:14 pm

Too bad for Neftali. He’s a talent.

Shaun

July 31st, 2012
5:15 pm

“Hanson’s days of service will affect his arb clock for whoever trades for him — which will affect what they will be willing to offer ”

So, if anything, holding Hanson back in 2009 would actually help his trade value.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
5:15 pm

looks like The Ear Mole is our old ultra-liberal troll I see. that would be Lou/Earl perhaps?

I’ll thank you not to group the liberal wing of the blog with The Pee Guy. That’s totally off-base.

Bozo ( The Clown )

July 31st, 2012
5:16 pm

i agree, medlen has been jerked around too much, he will walk … and i dont blame him

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
5:16 pm

That sucks for Feliz but now it makes more sense the last minute deal for dumpster

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:16 pm

“Jurrjens starting… might as well forfeit.”

Mmmm…but what if Gattis is also starting?

Irresistible force? Immovable object?

N8

July 31st, 2012
5:17 pm

So….. Apparently…. Texas is a LOT closer to Canada? Probably makes what? About a 45 minute difference in flights?

Face it folks. Dempster didn’t want to be a Brave. And I’m quite fine with that considering what Wren got instead and for “less”. As I think Delgado ends up more special in our rotation. Vizcaino might be an elite closer some day. But I think the guy we have might hold down that job for a while.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
5:17 pm

Neftali Feliz has to have TJ Surgery.

Ouch.

Brian from SC

July 31st, 2012
5:18 pm

i agree, medlen has been jerked around too much, he will walk … and i dont blame him

He will walk? He doesn’t even have the ability to “walk” until 2016!

Heisenberg

July 31st, 2012
5:18 pm

So if JJJ starts a game and we might as well forfeit, but Gattis was also in the lineup and the other team should also forfeit, then it is a 9-9 tie game?

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
5:19 pm

He will walk? He doesn’t even have the ability to “walk” until 2016!

Posters will be glad to store up some org-hate for him, until then. :-)

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
5:20 pm

this is my favorite day of the year. I get to wake up and get all the flurry of trades going down. it starts my work day off on a good vibe. Its 7 am here on wednesday in australia.. Love my Braves and I love mlb.com and this blog. keeps me from being homesick

Billy Bruton

July 31st, 2012
5:20 pm

Anyone concerned about Tommie Hansen’s velocity? Last night I noticed it was in the 87-89 mph range.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
5:20 pm

So if JJJ starts a game and we might as well forfeit, but Gattis was also in the lineup and the other team should also forfeit, then it is a 9-9 tie game?

I think the universe cracks before the official scorekeeper has time to record the event.

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
5:21 pm

my wife hates me from april to october

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:21 pm

Shaun … “I can understand delaying a call-up”

Super two is supposed to reward the player for studly performance.

However, when teams delay call up (and therefore put an inferior product on the field) the team penalizes the player (delay of that major league pay off by two months … delay of a great arb salary by a year).

The incentive for great performance has become a punishment. I think poorly of teams that employ those kind of perverse incentives.

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:22 pm

I did not. there is also a conservative nut jod here too. but Lou is an avowed communist and if so that is the ultra side of the left political spectrum. It was just a description, not a political statement at the time

Jasons Shrinking Waist

July 31st, 2012
5:22 pm

As excited as i am to get maholm, its reed johnson that makes this trade worthy…you are gonna love is attitude, hes hardnosed, he will run into a wall for his team ,hes aggressive and he has PERSONALITY! Hes gonna fit in with Hinske and Chipper…real down to earth raw dog….hes gonna be great to watch!

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
5:22 pm

billy i have been concerned about his velo since last year and it keeps getting worse

Heisenberg

July 31st, 2012
5:23 pm

Hansen should just go ehead and change his last name to Pip.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
5:23 pm

It was just a description, not a political statement at the time

All righty then, LOL. We cool.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
5:24 pm

Face it folks. Dempster didn’t want to be a Brave.

MLB Network reported prior to the close of the trade deadline that Dempster was willing to go to the Yankees. He wanted L.A. I understand the Diamondbacks had an interest in him. Then Dempster winds up in Texas.

L.A. could afford a big contract for Dempster. The Yankees most certainly could have. The Rangers can probably pony-up the money, they’ve got a couple of World Series behind them recently, and they’re leading the AL West, which ups Dempster’s profile.

For Dempster, it’s about the money, mostly.

BFChris27

July 31st, 2012
5:24 pm

So will Johnson be on the bench tonight? Possible start tomorrow with a lefty starting for Marlins?

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:24 pm

good, because some of my best friends are liberals :D

Brian from SC

July 31st, 2012
5:25 pm

I would love to see Johnson get a start, for Bourn, tomorrow.

Disgusted

July 31st, 2012
5:25 pm

Solid trade and the Braves are well set to make a post season run again.

They are good enough to get to the WC game. But the competition is tougher this yr, you have the Giants/Dodgers/D Backs, Pittsburgh is right there and do not discount the hated Cardinals making a run.

No way did I think the Cards would make that kind of a run last yr. We were in great shape in early Sept and even in mid September we were still in a decent position.

We might still fall a game or two short but I like our chances inspite of the tougher competition.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
5:26 pm

Hanson on DL with back strain

Well, that stinks. For me, not Hanson. I can’t righteously keep thinking of him as a choking dog, if he’s been pitching hurt. Gotta reassess.

cowdogit

July 31st, 2012
5:26 pm

The braves were playing great, The best stats only count if you get a win. Every body complains about Ugglu one tough hard nosed player that gives 100%. Everyone complains about Hansen but he has twelve wins. The bench is always upbeat and Canstanza brought the mo-jo with his upbeat attitude. It’s hard for a player to understand why a team thats winning nearly every day would change the makeup of the team. The stats look good but attitude wins games.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
5:26 pm

Bourn does need a break. So does Prado. Johnson helps.

unbelievable

July 31st, 2012
5:27 pm

•#Braves DL Hanson with lower back strain, started bothering him during All-Stsr break, cropped up again last night. 16 mins ago

Every time Hanson is asked he says Im fully healthy. Throwing 87 mph fastballs can make everything hurt.

Bat Masterson

July 31st, 2012
5:27 pm

Is anyone else wondering what’s up with BAS?

Brian from SC

July 31st, 2012
5:28 pm

Yeah, I almost believe Hanson actually has a strained back. :)

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:28 pm

so does Dan, Johnson might help there too we can hope

Shaun

July 31st, 2012
5:29 pm

abeeewright, well, I’m not sure there is an easily solution to solving the super two stuff and teams holding players down as long as possible. There has to be a cut-off somewhere. I agree that the current rules aren’t ideal but what is?

Also, I think teams view it on a case-by-case basis. If a team thinks they’ll be in a close playoff race and thinks that one call-up can make a difference in the first two months or so, I don’t think they will hold him down. But often times a team realizes (often appropriately) that one call-up isn’t going to make a huge difference in two months and it’s worth just waiting for the long-term gain.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
5:29 pm

Hanson on DL with back strain

Well, that stinks. For me, not Hanson. I can’t righteously keep thinking of him as a choking dog, if he’s been pitching hurt. Gotta reassess.

Maybe Hanson’s hurting, or maybe he’s doing the Greinke spa-thing for a spell.

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:29 pm

a result of the Great BAS-Venice War and bloggers getting on him about giving it up?

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:31 pm

they should have held Heyward down, we’d have him an extra year as he gets better

David O'Brien

July 31st, 2012
5:34 pm

I’m sure you’ve seen it by now, but Braves DL’d Hanson with low-back strain. Started hurting during break, took anti-inflammatories and calmed it down, but it’s ached a bit lately and started barking last night. So it was perfect time to DL him since Maholm is coming and they already planned on starting Medlen.

Medlen will be in rotation till Hanson returns, which they don’t think will be more than 15 days.

David O'Brien

July 31st, 2012
5:34 pm

Maholm will start Saturday, Medlen starts again Sunday.

Bat Masterson

July 31st, 2012
5:34 pm

No, I don’t think BAS needed any help with all that. He just has not chimed in in awhile, that I have seen.

Disgusted

July 31st, 2012
5:35 pm

Hanson is never going to be a durable pitcher.

Once again, he breaks down in the second half and this is getting old.

If its anything like last yr, he probably misses more time than we originally think.

unbelievable

July 31st, 2012
5:35 pm

Whats the plan after the DL stint when Hanson’s still throwing 86-88?

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
5:36 pm

Maholm will start Saturday, Medlen starts again Sunday.

The M&Ms. Promotional tie-in, maybe?

Disgusted

July 31st, 2012
5:38 pm

Medlen is going to be a key piece down the stretch.

Hanson let us down last yr and lets us down again. Hanson is one of the reasons for the choke.

To think that we were up by 3 with only 5 games left and the rest is history. Makes me more bitter every time I do my research on last September.

Very preventable and it got away. I still have not forgiven the collapse.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
5:38 pm

If its anything like last yr, he probably misses more time than we originally think.

Now, now. I’d say take it one day at a time.

Brian from SC

July 31st, 2012
5:38 pm

What’s the 40-man roster situation? Could have figured into the decision to bring up Gearrin.

David O'Brien

July 31st, 2012
5:38 pm

bgvt

July 31st, 2012
5:39 pm

Shaun — Thanks for spelling out the sign of how the delay would affect his trade value — I thought it was obvious — but then again, perhaps I’m an OCD blogger according to abeee….

Disgusted

July 31st, 2012
5:39 pm

Well Jeff R. — this second half breaking down is getting old.

I am still mad at him and JJ for the collapse last yr, so hope he does not miss as much as he did last yr.

lee maye

July 31st, 2012
5:39 pm

JC: Terdo started off slowly at Gwinnett. He has rebounded at MS to average over .300 and getting a lot of extra base hits and RBI’s. Cunningham has joined him, hitting .322 and Gattis is 4-9 since returning 2 games ago. MS is beginning to score a lot of runs. Terdo is a switchhiiter so he would be at worst, a valuable guy to have on the bench in the future. Plays 1B, 3B, and LF.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
5:39 pm

To think that we were up by 3 with only 5 games left and the rest is history. Makes me more bitter every time I do my research on last September.

Very preventable and it got away. I still have not forgiven the collapse.

Rear-view mirror stuff. T’ain’t worth it.

Heisenberg

July 31st, 2012
5:40 pm

I am able to spell Medlen correctly but seem to always mis-spell Hansen. I think I will just stick with calling him Tommy Boy. But I will say this about him. I am not a hater but have been an advocate of trading him ever since he (and JJJ) signed with the devil. But I have never heard anything bad about him in the clubhouse or the news and will always respect him for that and wish him well.

bgvt

July 31st, 2012
5:40 pm

Jeff R — I expect MMMMike MMMMinor would want to be in on the M&M deal.

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:40 pm

I did not mean that he had needed, perhaps he got upset about so many here telling him to drop it?

Brian from SC

July 31st, 2012
5:42 pm

Answering my own question here…I count 38 on the 40-man roster, including Maholm and Johnson. So that’s not an issue.

Juan

July 31st, 2012
5:43 pm

DOB…How the new player know about Team rule right away…See Johnson with the Shade backward…not blocking the Team logo…..

Jerry

July 31st, 2012
5:44 pm

Nice trade. I like Maholm and think he could be huge for us down the stretch. Same for Johnson. Actually wish Wren had gotten one more bench player. The less I see of Hinske, Francisco, and Pastornicky, the better off we will be. Of course, all three have hits recently, but that’s just a flash in the pan. With this trade, I think we are firmly entrenched in a playoff race, and just possibly might sneak up on the Nationals.

TennesseePaul

July 31st, 2012
5:45 pm

The M&Ms. Promotional tie-in, maybe?

Minor is in the rotation as well. The starters have been overwhelmed by M’s.

BravePack(FreeFan)

July 31st, 2012
5:47 pm

I guess Bad Mother F’er Tommy can stand for Broke Mother F’er Tommy now.

Bat Masterson

July 31st, 2012
5:50 pm

I did not mean that he had needed, perhaps he got upset about so many here telling him to drop it?

Ah, I see. Maybe, but it seemed to me he had worked it out.

DS1

July 31st, 2012
5:51 pm

Went to a game 2 summers ago when Little Man Meds was pitching on July 4th. Infante hit a game winner in the 10th.

Here’s hoping Kris can pitch so well he makes it dang hard for them to pull him from the rotation when Hanson gets back. Good for you “My Little Pony!”

:wink:

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:51 pm

Patch up one thing and another falls apart. I don’t think the Braves are a particularly lucky team

Around The Horn

July 31st, 2012
5:52 pm

FRANK’S UNWISE TRADE

I don’t like Frank’s trade and here’s why:

Wren had a reasonable and workable solution staring him in the face for the rotation ills by putting Medlen into the starting rotation.

But he didn’t ultimately choose this solution!

Had he done so, surely then Frank could have found a right handed bench bat and another bullpen piece without giving up a quality arm and a potential long term star like Vizcaino.

But instead he foolishly and unwisely traded away Vizcaino.

You don’t trade away potential stars — unless you’re getting a star caliber player in return! You simply don’t do it!

But Frank did so — again, foolishly!

I’m having a very difficult time thinking positively about Frank Wren these days — in spite of what was a good decision in signing Ben Sheets.

For every good decision, Frank seems to make two terrible ones.

Pace

July 31st, 2012
5:53 pm

I like Medlen getting at least two starts – if he’s as good as I think he will be, just a boost for the Braves. If Hanson can get his back straightened out, he’ll be a little more rested for the last 6 weeks of the season.

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
5:53 pm

For every good decision, Frank seems to make two terrible ones. @ATH

says you

Joey

July 31st, 2012
5:53 pm

I like the Rangers, but I hope Dempster gags every time he’s on the mound. To hell with him . . .

DS1

July 31st, 2012
5:53 pm

I’m calling it: Braves 8, Fish 3. Uggla breaks out of his funk with a dinger!

Later folks……….. on the road again, just can’t wait to get on the road again. The life I love is listened to the Braves on XM, I can’t wait to be on the road again.

Bo Graves!

JoeBrave

July 31st, 2012
5:54 pm

Maholm,Johnson,Hanson on DL,Uggla being what Uggla is, and no more JJJ after this year…What a great day in the ATL

DS1

July 31st, 2012
5:55 pm

And the idiocy marches on (Around the Horn)………….

brian

July 31st, 2012
5:57 pm

that would explain why Hanson was pulled after 5 for a pinch hitter up 4-1 despite only 85 pitches

Pace

July 31st, 2012
5:58 pm

Around the Horn – save that post, and then in two years when Vizcaino leads all closers with 70 saves and a perfect zero ERA, you can say how right you were that this was a STUPID TRADE.

Right now, Wren got two of the three parts the Braves need to really compete THIS YEAR without mortgaging the future. Bravo Wren

Murph

July 31st, 2012
5:58 pm

You don’t trade away potential stars

Potential being the key word there. There’s no telling how Vizcaino rebounds from TJ surgery… Wren traded a big question mark for a proven rotation arm. An arm that the Braves need NOW.

Viz may end up winning a bunch of Cy Youngs, or he may end up failing to ever make it to the bigs. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

The most important thing is that Wren made the team better this year… and the NL is probably the most winnable it’s been in the past 4 or 5 years.

I like Vizcaino, but I’m more interested in the team winning right now than I am in what might be 3 or 4 years from now. They have a golden opportunity to really make a run, and now they are better prepared for that run than they were 24 hours ago.

Joey

July 31st, 2012
5:58 pm

“…and a potential long term star like Vizcaino.”
****************************
He may be that – but he also may NEVER pitch in the majors, coming off Tommy John surgery.

I’m sure you will let us know if he becomes a star. Be sure and also let us know if he doesn’t.

JC Brave

July 31st, 2012
5:58 pm

lee maye – Thanks for the info on Terd.

the truth...

July 31st, 2012
6:00 pm

Forgot how much Merle and Willy sound alike..not just the voice but their style…

…kind of like the chicken and the egg….who came along first? Guess it was the Hag……..

Juan

July 31st, 2012
6:00 pm

Frank Wren is planning for the Winter Meeting….that is why he didn’t trade any big Prospect (Delgado/Gilmartin/Minor)….we will need a third Base next year,,,and the way i see it is by trade….there’re any good free agent for 2013….so we need to trade someone.

the truth...

July 31st, 2012
6:00 pm

Forgot how much Merle and Willy sound alike..not just the voice but their style…

…kind of like the chicken and the egg….who came along first? Guess it was the Hag……..

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
6:03 pm

The most important thing is that Wren made the team better this year… and the NL is probably the most winnable it’s been in the past 4 or 5 years.

The Braves also control Maholm next season, and if he delivers, who knows, Wren may ink him to a longer deal.

Johnson, I’ll bet, is made a good offer by the Braves to remain.

So, the Vizcaino deal may have longer range benefits for the Braves than some suspect.

Lew

July 31st, 2012
6:03 pm

Juan – Is there some reason they can’t put Prado at third next year?

SNEAKY PETE

July 31st, 2012
6:03 pm

same old haters/ranters have the same old responses to just about everything. sad way to live

Joe in SoCal

July 31st, 2012
6:04 pm

Tempted to say: One step forward (deadline trades) and two steps back (Hansen DL’d). However, pausing to think, it’s actually opposite. A wash for the pitching side and a plus on the bench/position side. Not gonna worry about it. Hansen was only going about 5+ lately anyways. Maholm should do that fine and Meds too. We’re good.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
6:05 pm

Prado’s the man at third, Juan. Left field will be a need.

Juan

July 31st, 2012
6:07 pm

Lew…mention third base but either 3b/LF/CF will we need a trade next Winter meeting

Pace

July 31st, 2012
6:08 pm

I thought Gattis was being transitioned to a LF – his bat sounds almost ready, but is there any word on his play in the outfield yet?

I don’t think he could possibly be ready for next year, at least not in the field, but he may be an option for the team.

phil

July 31st, 2012
6:08 pm

And i thought it might be Hanson’s neck….

Lower back. More fragile than fine china, i tell ya….baseball players. Sigh…

Fols

July 31st, 2012
6:08 pm

shucks! Was hoping Prado at third and Johnson in there at LF! Ah well!

In other news, I just got a Potato salad and instead of getting classic, I went with Deviled Egg. It’s fantastic but I have no idea why it’s an orangy color. Anyone know? This blog is full of the smartest people i’ve never met so someone will have the answer!

TheOnlyBravesFan

July 31st, 2012
6:10 pm

lower back strain for Hanson? never saw that coming, thought he’d just get skipped and let Meds start… I guess Meds gets 3 starts then?

Joe in SoCal

July 31st, 2012
6:10 pm

Anyone have knowledge on when the kid (Andy) comes off the DL? We could actually use his bat.

jfp

July 31st, 2012
6:11 pm

DOB, thanks for the new bloggage. I believe it is the perfect assessment of the trade for Maholm and Johnson. It is what we needed and the timing couldn’t have been much better with Hanson going on the DL. Too bad so many on here only see the cup as half full and some can’t even see the cup.

Danga

July 31st, 2012
6:11 pm

I’m thinking this DL stint does Tommy a lot of good. Glad to hear it isn’t his shoulder that is bothering him.

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