Braves’ trade for Maholm and Johnson was strong

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Shaun

July 31st, 2012
4:26 pm

A relief pitcher was a real need…bad job by Wren. Dodgers, Giants, and Reds got better…Braves really didn’t.

An upgrade in the rotation will make more of an impact than an upgrade in the bullpen.

Plus deals can still be made in August, especially for relievers. Relievers are among the easiest players to acquire.

And I still don’t understand why people are upset that the Braves weren’t able to complete a trade of Randall Delgado for a #3 starter.

There isn’t as big a difference between Dempster and Maholm as people think. And the Braves got Maholm and Reed Johnson in that deal.

Now Vizcaino’s upside is probably higher than Delgado’s. But there is a very good chance Vizcaino just becomes a very good reliever.

Revised Scouting Report

July 31st, 2012
4:26 pm

“I hate unions and this is union mentality”

I hate you and your mentality!

Abide this dude! lol

nolie

July 31st, 2012
4:27 pm

Braves really didn’t. njb

bull

raleighbravefan

July 31st, 2012
4:28 pm

Patrick and njbraves – You guys need to get together, and share that bucket of sad. Most of the rest of us will be celebrating.

The ear mole

July 31st, 2012
4:28 pm

Sounds like you are trying to rationalize letting Viscaino go.

We know one thing for sure now – when he becomes a free agent, Medlen would be a used fool to resign with the Braves. They jacked him around way, WAY, too much.

I seriously think the way the so called “classy” organization has jacked Medlin around shows it is quite classless with Wren at the helm.

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
4:29 pm

Maholm might actually be the 3.76 ERA lefty that he currently is.

His career ERA is bloated by a couple of bad years with a bad Pittsburgh team.

Don’t see how anybody doesn’t see that as an improvement over Jurrjens/Delgado.

CrαZy

July 31st, 2012
4:29 pm

A relief pitcher was a real need…bad job by Wren

We did upgrade the Pen we added Meds back to the pen!!

GTI in Brooklyn

July 31st, 2012
4:30 pm

Can’t help but find it curious/worrisome that HANSON will be pushed back further for extra rest. I’m glad to see MEDLEN get one more start in the rotation, but didn’t HANSON just get a long week of rest less than a month ago around the All-Star Break?

Juan

July 31st, 2012
4:31 pm

Patrick is NOT a Braves Fan…he’s a Phillis Fan and he soooooo SAD

Bravefaninok

July 31st, 2012
4:31 pm

David O’Brien ‏@ajcbraves

#Braves Fredi G on plan w/ Medlen: “Give him 2 starts and give Tommy a breather.” Enter your comments here

Rabid Rascal

July 31st, 2012
4:31 pm

I love how some people on this blog will never get it.

unbelievable

July 31st, 2012
4:31 pm

We know one thing for sure now – when he becomes a free agent, Medlen would be a used fool to resign with the Braves. They jacked him around way, WAY, too much.

Thats ridiculous. No pitcher is guaranteed anything and Medlen is versatile. Last time I checked he’s an employee. They are doing him a favor by limiting his innings after his injury.

Waffle House or Bust

July 31st, 2012
4:31 pm

Wren got something right!!

Shaun

July 31st, 2012
4:31 pm

Dempster’s career: 99 ERA+, 7.7 SO/9, 4.1 BB/9, 1 HR/9, age 35

Maholm: 96 ERA+, 5.6 SO/9, 3 BB/9, 0.8 HR/9, age 30

Dempster is the better strikeout pitcher but Maholm keeps the ball in the park and doesn’t walk as many hitters.

For the final two months of this season, I’d rather had Dempster but it’s closer than some may think. Next season, I think the gap closes a more, considering Dempster’s age.

TennesseePaul

July 31st, 2012
4:31 pm

There isn’t as big a difference between Dempster and Maholm as people think.

I agree with this. Never thought of Dempster as a “front line starter.” He’s in a career year, but he isn’t worth Delgado-plus in a trade. The Maholm deal is much better in the regard, it’s just underwhelming and, well, dull. Not flashy. Not exciting. A solid move though. My only complaint is the lack of pizzazz,and bling, but I can live with that.

Ray

July 31st, 2012
4:32 pm

bad job by wren? really? I am sure he would have liked to have landed a reliever but it had to be the right piece and for the right deal. Wren did a very good job because he took care of 2 needed pieces without trading any primary prospects.

Rabid Rascal

July 31st, 2012
4:33 pm

Always doom and gloom. The sky is always falling…

TennesseePaul

July 31st, 2012
4:33 pm

Can’t help but find it curious/worrisome that HANSON will be pushed back further for extra rest.

For the sake of the team, it’s probably best Hanson’s exposure is limited. He hasn’t been all that good. The team has largely been winning in spite of his performance.

RC

July 31st, 2012
4:34 pm

I just came across an article that Dave Cameron wrote for ESPN a few days ago on “under the radar trade targets”. Here’s what he had to say about our boy Maholm:

Paul Maholm, SP, Chicago Cubs

While all the talk has centered around the Cubs dealing Ryan Dempster and/or Matt Garza, Maholm may actually be the value buy out of the Cubs starters. He doesn’t rack up strikeouts like his rotation mates (just 6.02 K/9), but his combination of strikes (2.38 BB/9) and ground balls (50.0 percent GB%) make him a very solid innings-eater. He could be a perfect fit for a team like the White Sox that just need a solid, league-average pitcher at the back of their rotation to stabilize things for the final two months of the season.

Maholm isn’t a guy that you want to give the ball to in Game 1 of a playoff series, but he’s more than capable of giving a team six quality innings every fifth day and shouldn’t require the same kind of commitment in terms of prospects as the more high-profile arms on the market. That makes him a great fit for the White Sox, who don’t have many good prospects to trade to begin with, and the club option for 2013 at $6.5 million would give them insurance in case they don’t have confidence in John Danks returning to full health. Maholm would be a legitimate improvement over Philip Humber and give Chicago a better shot at keeping pace with Detroit, and Kenny Williams may be better off with Maholm than trying to outbid everyone else for Zack Greinke.

The Blogger Formerly Known as Billy

July 31st, 2012
4:34 pm

got to feel for JJ, at least on a emotional level….he just lost his job, twice.

Rabid Rascal

July 31st, 2012
4:34 pm

Be a fan of Houston or the Chicago Cubs, then you would have a real reason to whine.

The ear mole

July 31st, 2012
4:35 pm

“I hate unions and this is union mentality”

You don’t know what a union is. I think you are letting your Rush mind conditioning interfere with your critical thinking – what else is new, eh?

keylargo

July 31st, 2012
4:35 pm

The next 16 games are are good as it gets for the Braves. If they are going to make a move it should start today thru 8/16/12

(3) 7/31/12 to 8/2/12 vs Marlins

(3) 8/3/12 to 8/5/12 vs Houston

(3) 8/6/12 to 8/8/12 at Phils

(3) 8/9/12 to 8/12/12 at Mets

(4) 8/13/12 to 8/16/12 at SD

Waffle House or Bust

July 31st, 2012
4:35 pm

It is fair for people to hate Wren. Right now he just traded for two names. They have done nothing to win the Braves anything but we will see what happens. I am a strong Wren hater but I like this trade. Hope Chipper digs deep in his HOF bag of tricks and mans up for the rest of season. Would hate to see him go out soft after all these great seasons in Atlanta.

Juan

July 31st, 2012
4:36 pm

FW did a Great Job…ours best acquisition SHEET…..and Janish

CrαZy

July 31st, 2012
4:36 pm

Wonder what the Rangers are going to do with Oswalt? Pen or out right release?

TennesseePaul

July 31st, 2012
4:37 pm

If they are going to make a move it should start today thru 8/16/12

I think maybe they started making their move 6 games ago.

ncbravesfan90

July 31st, 2012
4:37 pm

Venters is just not venters anymore. And with Medlen going to be starting 2 games now, there was even a bigger need to acquire a RP. We saw how ineffective Gearrin was when he was up earlier this year. I loved the trade Frank Wren made last night but I wish he could have topped it off with a bullpen arm to fill a big void out there.

Bravefaninok

July 31st, 2012
4:37 pm

The ear mole

July 31st, 2012
4:28 pm

Sounds like you are trying to rationalize letting Viscaino go.

We know one thing for sure now – when he becomes a free agent, Medlen would be a used fool to resign with the Braves. They jacked him around way, WAY, too much.

I seriously think the way the so called “classy” organization has jacked Medlin around shows it is quite classless with Wren at the helm

Medlen coming off Tommy John surgery,The Braves have used him perfectly,Kris will be an important piece going down the stretch…..If he was in the rotation he would be getting shutdown soon,He has never been over 123 innings in a season.

Morris Code

July 31st, 2012
4:38 pm

You mad bro?

RC

July 31st, 2012
4:38 pm

You don’t know what a union is. I think you are letting your Rush mind conditioning interfere with your critical thinking – what else is new, eh?

Hey, don’t say anything bad about Rush! “Tom Sawyer” is an AWESOME song…one of the best at-bat songs in a majors.

(Before anyone responds, I didn’t misunderstand the quote. This was a sad attempt at humor.)

GTI in Brooklyn

July 31st, 2012
4:39 pm

TennesseePaul:
I agree, he’s been skating by lately. But a series of problems with mechanics, vs. chronic breakdowns in the body (as the need for extra rest seems to indicate), well… I’ve remained optimistic for TOMMY’s eventual return to form, but this eats away my optimism a little further. (Hope to be wrong, though.)

The Dude Abides... Still

July 31st, 2012
4:39 pm

Skipping Hansen’s turn isnt a bad idea. Of course Medlen needs to go more than 5 innings in both starts to really help the team out. Then go back to the pen and I am happy

RC

July 31st, 2012
4:41 pm

I loved the trade Frank Wren made last night but I wish he could have topped it off with a bullpen arm to fill a big void out there.

I agree, a bullpen arm would have been really nice. I was a bit underwhelmed by the Braves moves, but I think that they did well operating within the parameters that were available. Without being able to simply ignore payroll, and the apparent high price on starting pitching, Wren made the moves he was able to make. I just hope that it’s enough.

Shaun

July 31st, 2012
4:41 pm

It is fair for people to hate Wren.

Not really.

The Braves have the 9th-best record in baseball over Frank Wren’s tenure as GM. Fourth-best in the NL. I’d say that’s pretty good in to the post-Ted Turner, post-Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz, lower-budget era of Braves baseball.

raleighbravefan

July 31st, 2012
4:41 pm

If you hate Wren…well, just spend a few minutes reading what Phillies fans think of Rubin. :)

njbraves

July 31st, 2012
4:42 pm

Raleighbraves…What about my post don’t you understand? The bullpen needs to be upgraded, and it wasn’t. Venters is unreliable, and who knows what Moylan will add. The rotation is spotty and the ‘pen will be relied on a lot down the stretch. But forget all that because you’re happy. Good for you.

Murph

July 31st, 2012
4:42 pm

got to feel for JJ, at least on a emotional level….he just lost his job, twice.

I don’t feel bad for the guy at all, personally. He came into ST unprepared and it showed. Went to AAA and got knocked around. Got back to Atlanta and had 2 decent games and then went back to getting knocked around.

He didn’t lose his job. He knows right where it is. It’s just that there’s somebody better doing it now.

Bayou Brave

July 31st, 2012
4:42 pm

About how many more weeks until Simmons is back in the lineup and (more importantly) on the field?

JC Brave

July 31st, 2012
4:42 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
Sounds like Braves leaning toward giving Hanson a couple extra days of rest. For now, Medlen is slated to start on Sunday.

Jbailz

July 31st, 2012
4:43 pm

njbraves – You’re joking right? They didn’t get better? Reed Johnson just made our bench immensely better. Do some research on him and come back and say we didn’t get better… Maholm will be a solid addition to our rotation.

RC

July 31st, 2012
4:43 pm

Skipping Hansen’s turn isnt a bad idea. Of course Medlen needs to go more than 5 innings in both starts to really help the team out. Then go back to the pen and I am happy

In Hanson’s last 4 starts, he’s pitched 5 1/3, 4, 5, and 5 innings, going from earliest start to most recent. So I don’t think it’s fair to say that Medlen only giving you 5 is going to be much of a problem.

ChattTownBrian

July 31st, 2012
4:43 pm

Let’s see how Maholm can do on a winning team for once. A team that can get him some real run support and solid all around defense behind him. See what he can do in a positive, winning environment.

Patrick

July 31st, 2012
4:43 pm

Celebrate if they get into the playoffs

After last season, I’ve learn to temper my excitement and expectations.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
4:44 pm

I don’t feel bad for the guy at all, personally.

See? Murph would make a good GM. :-)

ATL Insider

July 31st, 2012
4:45 pm

I would also love to see Hudson skip a start to rest that ankle.

The Blogger Formerly Known as Billy

July 31st, 2012
4:45 pm

Patrick, you would not be happy unless you had something to criticize. Not hating on you, but you are what you are…..

njbraves

July 31st, 2012
4:46 pm

Now Reed Johnson is Babe Ruth…whatever.

Bobby Cock

July 31st, 2012
4:46 pm

Merle Haggard good what are the braves going to do tnight.Not real high on the trde, we really didnt give anything up though.

RC

July 31st, 2012
4:46 pm

I don’t feel bad for the guy at all, personally. He came into ST unprepared and it showed.

I’m don’t have enough knowledge to say whether he was unprepared or not, but he certainly did appear to be. His legs appeared to really be out of shape, although I’m not sure how much of that is a result of the knee surgery. I’d love for him to suddenly get back to form, but I don’t see that very likely at this point in the season since he’s obviously not in game shape, and I don’t think there is enough time left in the season for him to work himself back to it. Be interesting to see what kind of contract he gets in the offseason.

N Nine

July 31st, 2012
4:46 pm

MEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

GTI in Brooklyn

July 31st, 2012
4:46 pm

Folks, there’s still a whole month more for a deal to be made for another Relief Pitcher. Certainly not quite as easy as it is before 7/31, but absolutely not out of the question. Gives WREN a few more weeks to see how the pitching staff adjusts to the new additions (I’m including SHEETS in that) and still make some possible move. VENTERS may yet even things out and MOYLAN is not out of the picture, either. Still time to cook this omelet before we serve it up for playoff breakfast.

Felix

July 31st, 2012
4:46 pm

Now we move on to the Aug. 31 waiver trade deadline.

southern hope

July 31st, 2012
4:47 pm

Dempster just seems like a jerk..and I’m saying that with no personal information about the guy….but i thought the whole thing was that he needed to be west coast for kid reasons…now it seems like he could have moved anywhere…he just wanted to make sure it wasn’t the Braves. Jerk.

NC Roseman

July 31st, 2012
4:47 pm

Thanks DOB for saluting the Hag.
How about them rhinestones…that is throwback sharp at it’s best!
Yes, the trade was great too, just what we needed to maybe get over that National Hump.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
4:47 pm

After last season, I’ve learn to temper my excitement and expectations.

Then why bother having any excitement at all?

raleighbravefan

July 31st, 2012
4:48 pm

Its laughable …the people who think they know more about being a GM than Wren…Seem to know what moves he could/shouild of made if he just were not a moron…with NO real knowledge of what deals were actually available…or what this player, or that player would have cost, in $$$ and/or prospects. But NOOOOO…they know more than that moron Wren. Ignorance, and arrogance.

kenhotlanta

July 31st, 2012
4:48 pm

Is Patrick and that Miamibeach dude the same poster? Sounds like it.

Murph

July 31st, 2012
4:49 pm

One thing lost on the blog today is that Gattis is back and playing in games again.

He’ll have just enough time to get his stroke back before his imminent September callup.

stamper

July 31st, 2012
4:49 pm

This is the best deadline trade in baseball that nobody (other than us) is talking about. Well done, FW.

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
4:49 pm

njbraves: just who did you think the Braves could land as a reliever? Broxton cost a 12th and 27th prospect…… League ? does he fit in our clubhouse…

Shaun

July 31st, 2012
4:50 pm

Looking at Maholm’s full seasons with the Pirates (2006-2011), the Pirates were 4th from the bottom in the majors in Defensive Runs Saved, 3rd from the bottom in UZR and 4th from the bottom in UZR/150 over that span of seasons.

The 2012 Braves are 2nd in the majors in Defensive Runs Saved, 3rd in UZR and 2nd in UZR/150.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
4:51 pm

If you hate Wren…well, just spend a few minutes reading what Phillies fans think of Rubin.

I’m sure Philly fans are eating Rubin alive. Rubin is daring to break apart an overpaid and under-performing squad.

In Philly, the fans love their teams when they win. They turn on them in a heartbeat when they lose.

Mike Gundy

July 31st, 2012
4:52 pm

Some people act like you can’t make ANY deals after today. The only difference is that you have to get waivers on players to be traded. This deal kind of reminds me when the Braves got Terry Mulholland & Jose (Windmill) Hernandez from the Cubs several years ago. A servicable left hander & a bench player.

raffy

July 31st, 2012
4:52 pm

Dempster knew it was a bad deal for Atlanta that is why he vetoed it! Go Braves! We got JJ in the bullpen!

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
4:52 pm

By the way, nice analysis of the deal, DOB.

Nattering Nabob

July 31st, 2012
4:53 pm

They seem to be setting up a competition of sorts between Hanson and Medlen. What happens if by some stretch Medlen pitches all zeros or close to it? It’s not like he’s never started before. My guess is they give Hanson another shot or two and if he struggles, Medlen might be back in the rotation for the stretch run. We’ll see.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
4:53 pm

He’ll have just enough time to get his stroke back before his imminent September callup.

…at which point, the Braves will go on a 28-game winning streak, all won by a score of 9-0, as opponents forfeit rather than have to possibly face Evan Gattis on the field of play.

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
4:53 pm

After Medlen pitches consecutive perfect games in his two starts … do you move him back to the ‘pen?

DAP

July 31st, 2012
4:54 pm

by the way, maholm has a 6.1 K/9 rate. that is quite solid, is it not? thats huddy’s career rate, and he gets his share.

ukuga

July 31st, 2012
4:54 pm

still waiting for the trickle . . .

B_F 54

July 31st, 2012
4:54 pm

“There you go with the negative waves” Oddball from Kelly’s heroes
Good job Wren hated to lose viz but…
GO BRAVOS lets make some noise

raleighbravefan

July 31st, 2012
4:55 pm

Jeff R – In all fairness, Rubin did most of the overpaying. The under-performing is on the players (along with age and injury). Bottom line is, it’s a very unhappy place today.

faninva

July 31st, 2012
4:56 pm

wasn’t it Hanson that bumped Meds out of the rotation a few years back? i know Meds was called up first…wasn’t he? gettin’ old and forgetful.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
4:57 pm

That he did he did, raleighbravefan. Bit those fans weren’t griping when the Phils were flying high.

I think it’s a wreck up there in Philly. Digging out won’t be quick or easy.

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
4:57 pm

The really bad thing is that the phils blew up the team right before they see the Gnats….. Are the Nats ever gonna lose again?

B_F 54

July 31st, 2012
4:57 pm

Gotta go to work to the union hater I get a raise tommorrow and every 6 months I get another @teamsters local #25 Charlestown Ma

a fan

July 31st, 2012
4:58 pm

njbrave and Patrick
Tweedle dumb and Tweddle dumber

Felix

July 31st, 2012
4:59 pm

Hate Wren? Come on! What? This blog is becoming like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Okay to disagree and/or not approve of his job performance; but hate? I didn’t agree with the Lowe, KK, and McOut deals, but I certainly don’t hate the guy because of those decisions he made. Just didn’t like those deals. I give him credit for Bourn and Sheets. On the most recent deal, we can wait and see. I’m real glad he told Dempster that the Braves weren’t going to wait for his butt and were moving on……..

ncbravesfan90

July 31st, 2012
5:00 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
Wren and Gonzalez just went to the clubhouse for a discussion. Guessing Gearrin move will involve Jurrjens.

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:01 pm

Medlen came up before Hanson and was pitching better in AAA. Braves wanted to delay Hanson’s call-up to avoid giving him “Super-Two” status.

If Hanson is traded this off-season, that decision wasn’t very forward looking.

Ray

July 31st, 2012
5:03 pm

I like the fact that Wren made the rotation better without mortgaging the future for a rental. He didn’t panic and make a deal just to make a deal.

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:04 pm

How long will it be for the Phillies’ consecutive home sell-out streak to end?

Shaun

July 31st, 2012
5:04 pm

Could Hanson go to the DL with an “elbow impingement”?

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
5:04 pm

abeeewright… . Why is not allowing Super 2 for Hanson not forward looking? i don’t understand

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:04 pm

When’s Phillies’ next home game?

Brian from SC

July 31st, 2012
5:05 pm

Hanson to the DL.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
5:06 pm

Could Hanson go to the DL with an “elbow impingement”?

Throat impingement. Due to the apple lodged there.

Shaun

July 31st, 2012
5:06 pm

abeeewright, it doesn’t matter what forward-thinking decisions the Braves made back in 2009. All that matters are reasonable forward-thinking decisions from right now on. If some teams gives up appropriate value for Hanson, I guarantee you the Braves aren’t going to look back at some forward-thinking decision regarding Hanson that they made in 2009.

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:06 pm

“Why is not allowing Super 2 for Hanson not forward looking? i don’t understand”

If the Braves trade Hanson before that raise, they lost his games pitched for no gain.

JC Brave

July 31st, 2012
5:07 pm

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
RHP Tommy Hanson has been placed on the 15-day DL (lower back strain) and RHP Cory Gearrin has been recalled from Gwinnett.

BravePack(FreeFan)

July 31st, 2012
5:08 pm

2 hours to go until the BravePack(FreeFan) family boards the family truckster on our way to Atlanta. Very excited and can’t wait for game Thursday and hopefully tomorrow if Mrs. BravePack allows it. I would really like to see Sheets pitch.

mid wicket

July 31st, 2012
5:08 pm

Ok gotcha.. thanks for that.

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:08 pm

“it doesn’t matter what forward-thinking decisions the Braves made back in 2009″

I’ve criticized delaying a call-up because of super-two. Put the best players on the field and let the dust fall where it may.

Now that it looks like that decision “back when” was a mediocre one, I have to bring up my criticism again.

I’m sure that makes me a small person, but I just gotta get my 2 cents in.

bgvt

July 31st, 2012
5:09 pm

abeewright — But Hanson’s days of service will affect his arb clock for whoever trades for him — which will affect what they will be willing to offer — so it wasn’t a complete waste!

abeeewright

July 31st, 2012
5:10 pm

Hanson to the DL makes the Maholm deal that much more important.

Looks like Meds will get a few starts or else JJ is back on the radar.

iTiSi

July 31st, 2012
5:10 pm

OK here’s the good, the bad, and the ugly that Mr. Stat Man failed to mention. I found this to be pretty interesting after looking into it. THIS IS THE IMPORTANT STUFF!!!!! First, the good. Maholm is 5-0 so far this year vs the rest of the NL EAST. He has not pitched yet against the GNATS. Now the bad. He is 6-7 vs the rest of the NL. Now, that’s weird, but good for the Braves. Why is it good? The Braves have 60 games left, 33 vs the NL EAST and 27 vs the rest. Want some more good? He has given up 0(that’s zero) HRs and allowed only 3 runs total vs the NL EAST. Now lastly, the UGLY! With his 6-7 records vs the remainder of the NL teams, he has given up 7 HRs. All those other stats are mostly irrelevant, these are the ones that matter in the end. Just maybe Mr. Frank Wren saw these stats also.

ncscoots

July 31st, 2012
5:11 pm

If the Braves trade Hanson before that raise, they lost his games pitched for no gain.

ab, I love ya, man, but Hanson was not even ready that April. No way, no how. That extra seasoning in the minors was just the ticket. He worked on his weaknesses, and that gave him the impetus to have that stellar rookie year. I firmly believe that he would have had nowhere near that performance had he gone north from ST.

I don’t think the Braves were heart-broken that he wasn’t quite ready, no, but I don’t think they would have sent him down just for arb purposes.

Jeff R

July 31st, 2012
5:11 pm

Looks like Meds will get a few starts or else JJ is back on the radar.

Jurrjens starting… might as well forfeit.

BFChris27

July 31st, 2012
5:11 pm

I do not like Gearrin coming up. Someone else should have.

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