Beckett reminds me a bit of roger clemens in the sense of arrogance. The press conference about his golf while he was out, is a perfect example. Just looked deeper at his stats hmmm no thanks. Before I was thinking, maybe a decent idea. As I looked closer and had forgotten about his rep, DOB displayed it. Thanks but NO thanks.
Oh I totally think there’s a chance. I’ve been watching him. He’s been lining out hard right at people… or the people have simply made some fantastic plays. I think he’ll bust out here soon. Hopefully starting tonight.
If FW does go cheap and no big splashes, geez go get somebody off the scrap pile like Freddy Garcia. Keep Medlen in the bullpen where not sure who you can pickup anybody right now to do a better job.
Garcia has pitched pretty well out of desperation for the Yankees but they are getting healthier and he will return to exile in their bullpen. Course he’s throwing today so who knows.
So, provided J.R. Graham gets like 6 more starts for Double-A Mississippi, he could end up starting next year for Triple-A Gwinnett.
So we should be looking at a rotation of Gilmartin, Spruill, Graham, Hale. Even though none of those kids have the upside of Teheran and Delgado(debatable for Randall), Wren probably sees minor league depth and is willing to trade Delgado to fill the need.
I do realize teams/GM’s etc, don’t construct their rosters based on fans wishes. That’s what this place is for I suppose. Voicing opinions. If it weren’t for the opinion voicing aspect of the blog, then it would be straight reporting with no responses, stories and columns about the Braves only. Basically, what existed before the internet age.
Wren probably sees minor league depth and is willing to trade Delgado to fill the need.
If the rotation were solid 1-4, I’d probably agree with that. Zeke or Gilmartin would probably slot right in at 5 with reasonable results. But it too soon to tell if the 2013 rotation will be strong enough to allow that kind of scenario.
So we should be looking at a rotation of Gilmartin, Spruill, Graham, Hale. Even though none of those kids have the upside of Teheran and Delgado(debatable for Randall),…
Yeah, but some highly touted prospects don’t pan out, whereas a Spruill or Hale may prove to be good, durable major league pitchers. Who’s radar was Beachy on?
But, yes, Wren likely thinks he can part with Delgado given the prospects moving up.
Even though none of those kids have the upside of Teheran and Delgado(debatable for Randall)
“Debatable for Delgado” indeed. I like Randall, but his upside his #3? That’s what Jurrjens was back in the day, pre-injury. I could see one of those 4 you mentioned filling out to a #3. Actually, I should say 3, because I have my doubts with Signable. Just as I have my doubts about Polished. He’s been good lately, but 89mph fastball… I’m not so hooked on the heat as you are Ef, but still, I like to see 90+. Especially at his age.
His performance is getting a whole lot closer to “fact” than “fluke” or “coincidence”, though. Gotta give him that.
I’m reasonably sure that he and Sheets have a couple of clunkers waiting in the wings somewhere, but that bothers me not at all, if it isn’t a trend. Though I doubt Minor will get that benefit of the doubt from posters if and when he stinks up the joint in a game.
You dont give up Delgado for a half season of anyone. If Delgado is moved he needs to be a piece in someone thats controllable with more upside now. I believe he was linked in the Dempster deal becuase Wren thought he could get Dempster to stay after the season. Dempster has made it pretty clear he will do whatever it takes to end up in LA. If he does decide to come to Atl I really hope Wren has lowered his offering price.
Guys I know we are so bad on Monday but I got a feeling that the Braves will win tonight the reason is Chipper Jones twitter account. Since Chipper has join twitter the Braves have not lost a game positive thinking.
Dempster has made it pretty clear he will do whatever it takes to end up in LA. If he does decide to come to Atl I really hope Wren has lowered his offering price.
Tonight, Hanson reverses the curse for Monday. I don’t believe even Tommy can have two games in a row like his last one. Thus, he’s due for an excellent outing, and the Braves probably hospitalize Buerhle (who knows now, beyond a doubt, that he’s stuck there in Miami for the duration of his contract. I can’t believe that makes one want to storm the mound and hold it safe against all foes.).
Hey, I don’t explain the logic, I just throw it out there, LOL.
Dempster has made it pretty clear he will do whatever it takes to end up in LA. If he does decide to come to Atl I really hope Wren has lowered his offering price.
Much lower.
I’d go so low as to offer them “Salary Relief” in exchange for Dempster.
DOB: Do you know if Dan plays golf? Cause I’ve seen where golf can really mess up a baseball swing and the way he’s opening up is very indicative of that.
His performance is getting a whole lot closer to “fact” than “fluke” or “coincidence”, though. Gotta give him that.
“fact” than “fluke”?? I was speaking of career viability. I don’t see Polished last long in the league if he tops out at 89mph. And, like many other conversations before, I need more than a game, a week, a month or a half season to come to a conclusion on his ability at the MLB level. Polished has a ways to go before then, and even still… Well… yes, one could easily say my opinions are stacked against him, but not for something as prejudicial as height ( :
I’d go so low as to offer them “Salary Relief” in exchange for Dempster.
Ha! Totally worth it just to make the offer. And even more awesome if it is accepted. The kid would be permanently branded as Salary Relief. There’d just be no escaping it.
One other thought: maybe McCann’s dad/brother can rebuild Dan’s swing too. They sure did a fantastic job with Brian and they sure couldn’t hurt any with Dan.
Josh Beckett Rumors: Monday
By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 10:20am CST] Despite a report of the Red Sox shopping righty Josh Beckett to the Rangers and Braves, there was a clear vibe from reporters this morning that a trade is unlikely. Beckett can veto any trade given his 10-and-5 rights, and he’s owed $37MM through 2014. The latest on the 32-year-old Texan…
The Braves are not a viable landing spot for Beckett right now, reports WEEI’s Rob Bradford. Bradford says the Braves are not in position to assume Beckett’s financial obligation, even if the Red Sox pick up a significant portion. MLB.com’s Mark Bowman says the Braves are not a likely fit for Beckett, but Atlanta would be more interested in Jon Lester. The Red Sox are saying no, flatly, regarding calls about Lester, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney.
There is a sense that Beckett might waive his 10-and-5 rights for certain teams, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, but clubs are concerned about his attitude and performance. In comments made to Bradford a couple days ago, Beckett said he prefers to stay, “But if people don’t want you, you don’t want to be there. Obviously I have some things where it would be very difficult for them to trade me if I didn’t want to be traded. But you have to think realistically. If you’re not wanted somewhere, why stay there? Know what I mean? It kind of makes it a little more difficult. But [GM Ben Cherington] assured me during spring training that he wants me here, so as far as I’m concerned, it’s just made-up fodder.
The only thing that can save the Phillies in 2013 is to get in a division with the Rockies, Padres, Cubs, Astros, and Brewers. They can compete with that slop.
I really ought to explain the reasons why shortish pitchers are less likely to be successful
No need to explain the probabilities… more need to explain why you would never even give them a chance to begin with. The odds may be long, but they are not zero that a quality pitcher can be found below the 6 foot 5 mark.
Why Medlen instead of Delgado?
Delgado looked a little over whelmed before he was sent to AAA. Give him a chance to get his head back together, even with the spot start thrown in.
Braves may have a new starter by Tuesday, which would mean calling Delgado up and immediately sending him down if the trade is finalized too late for the new starter to slot into that start.
I would view Tuesday’s start as a spot start for the long man (Medlen) rather than a repacement of Jurrjens in the rotation. JJ has essentially been cut. He’ll stay with the big club until they need his roster spot. I suspect he’ll be sent to AA if the Braves have the option to make such a move.
Watched MLB Network’s program “Ten Worst Trades” – or whatever – yesterday.
Listed among the worst was KC sending David Cone to the Mets for… Ed Hearn.
Cone was quoted as saying something to the effect that you just never know with pitchers under 25 when the “light bulb” will go off. It did for him, of course. Cone said it took him a little while to figure out the major league game.
I told DOB last week not to mention the Monday thing this week as a reverse of fortune and he went ahead and did it anyway. Hopefully it doesn’t come back to haunt them again tonight.
more need to explain why you would never even give them a chance to begin with.
That one’s pretty easy: there are almost always options with a higher probability of success. The fact that Medlen is now getting his chance to make more than a couple of starts says more about the state of the rotation than it does about anything else. My hope is that Medlen proves out to the kind of starter that so many here think him to be.
Minor since June 1st: 9 starts, 55 IP, 40 hits, 20 ER, 3.27 ERA, opp. slash – .204/.280/.393, 9 HR’s allowed, 21 BB’s, 47 K’s.
Still sort of tough to fully believe in him. But it’s a solid 2 months and great progress. Keep it going for another 2 months and he’s probably locked up a rotation spot for 2013.
You know what I find amazing.
Is the fact that Kenny Williams can pull off trades for impacty players in Kevin Youkalis, Bretty Myers and Francisco Liriano with one of the worst farm systems in baseball and a mandate from the owner that he is to take on very little salary. So, he has budget contraints.
AND YET HE STILL PULLED OFF 3 TRADES!
He gave up next to nothing to get these players (2 former all-stars, all in their prime) AND HE GOT THESE TEAMS TO PAY THESE PLAYERS SALARIES! HE EVEN GOT TH E TWINS TO TRADE A POTENTIAL IMPACT STARTING PITCHER TO A DIVISON RIVAL!!!!!!
I know that Kenny has made some questionable move in his career as Sox GM, but he is unquestionably committed to winning, putting the best team out on the field and giving the White Sox organization the best chance to win. They are in a very simliar situation as the Braves as well.
He is very creative and willing to take risks.
I think Wren can take a page or two from Kenny Williams book.
BECAUSE HE IS WILLING TO DO NONE OF THESE THINGS.
This “don’t fix what isn’t broken” approach that the Braves have had since Scheurholtz took over is starting to break. The Braves need to WAKE UP and that starts with Wren!
Moves are out there to be made, I don’t know if Wren is good enough of a GM to pull them off. I am seriously questioning if he has what it takes.
there are almost always options with a higher probability of success.
Such as Jurrjens in 2012….
That probability of success you cite is based on height seeing how that is the parameters of your prejudice. Meds, while I do not seriously contend will be a Cy Young/Hall of Famer, has proven through his minor league and limited major league work that he has a probability of success sufficient enough to give him the ball as a fifth starter.
I wonder if the Reds acquire Juan Pierre, if Chris Heisey will be made available? That would be a nice RH bat off the bench for the Braves. He can play all 3 outfield positions. Just a thought
Is the fact that Kenny Williams can pull off trades for impact players in Kevin Youkalis, Bretty Myers and Francisco Liriano with one of the worst farm systems in baseball and a mandate from the owner that he is to take on very little salary.
Your use of the term impact should be questioned. Nice players with expiring contracts. Wren could probably do that too. But there really isn’t a need for it.
has proven through his minor league and limited major league work that he has a probability of success sufficient enough to give him the ball as a fifth starter.
Guess we are about to find out if you’re right, LOL.
Is the fact that Kenny Williams can pull off trades for impact players in Kevin Youkalis, Bretty Myers and Francisco Liriano with one of the worst farm systems in baseball and a mandate from the owner that he is to take on very little salary.
“If I’m right” that he has provided sufficient work to allow him to be a fifth starter? I think the fact that he is getting the shot is proof enough that I’m right… his work has been sufficient enough to earn him the chance. It’s still a probability, success and failure. Now all he has to do is “out pitch” Jair Jurrjens. I’m fairly confident he can do that. Though I will say that I don’t expect him to go deep into a game right away. It’s been a while since he was “stretched out.”
Believe the Braves are ready to play with the roster as constituted unless Wren finds a blue light speacial. Don’t think he will give Cubs Delgado for Dempster, that is water under the bridge, unless Cubs are willing to take a pitcher like Spruill. If the Braves can avoid any more serious injuries, then this roster makes them a viable contender for a playoff spot.
Don’t think he will give Cubs Delgado for Dempster, that is water under the bridge, unless Cubs are willing to take a pitcher like Spruill.
If we’re gonna trade pitching for a rental, Spruill would be my choice. Never watched him pitch, but those modest K rates at AA don’t scream “top of the rotation starter” to me.
In 2010, as a starter Medlen went 5-0 with a 3.86 ERA, averaged 6 IP a start in 14 games started.
Polished has gone 9-10 with a 5.18 ERA and 5.2 IP per start in 19 games started this season.
It has been a while for Medlen, but I would say his work at the major league level should be sufficient enough to allow him the chance to be a fifth starter.
I’d also like to point out that that Medlen’s 14 starts where better than any 14 start stretch Kyle Davies gave the Braves.
What do you like about him? Again, I’m just lookin’ at the numbers.
Zeke’s numbers really have nothing to do with my affection for him as a pitcher. It’s a long story, and really too mushy to go into here; suffice it say that baseball players named Ezekiel have a spot reserved with me. Mr. Spruill is in occupancy, at the moment.
Beyond that, Zeke works at his craft, doesn’t get rattled much, and will probably be “crafty” one day, I don’t think he’ll ever be a star, in any way, and it makes not a jot of difference to me.
Hanson could be traded, so that spot could be someone else. And if we trade Hanson and receive a prospect package, one of those kids could be a starter that’s close.
If we can just get 2 solid months from Tommy…..
I don’t believe his value is basement/dirt right now. But it is lower than you think.
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Ray
July 30th, 2012
10:46 am
Beckett reminds me a bit of roger clemens in the sense of arrogance. The press conference about his golf while he was out, is a perfect example. Just looked deeper at his stats hmmm no thanks. Before I was thinking, maybe a decent idea. As I looked closer and had forgotten about his rep, DOB displayed it. Thanks but NO thanks.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:46 am
I guess I should say, worst 44 game stretch of last year. I believe anyway. I didn’t get to detailed with my searching.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:48 am
So, you’re saying there’s a chance, then?
Oh I totally think there’s a chance. I’ve been watching him. He’s been lining out hard right at people… or the people have simply made some fantastic plays. I think he’ll bust out here soon. Hopefully starting tonight.
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
10:49 am
If FW does go cheap and no big splashes, geez go get somebody off the scrap pile like Freddy Garcia. Keep Medlen in the bullpen where not sure who you can pickup anybody right now to do a better job.
Garcia has pitched pretty well out of desperation for the Yankees but they are getting healthier and he will return to exile in their bullpen. Course he’s throwing today so who knows.
Better yet, just get Dempster.
Oh yeah,
Go get Scott Hairston.
tony austin
July 30th, 2012
10:49 am
Uggla is going to hit the World Series winning HR in the bottom of the 9th in game 6 and his entire season will be redeemed
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:50 am
I believe anyway. I didn’t get to detailed with my searching.
At that level of suckage, a few points either way doesn’t much matter, I think.
Guy ought to be stupendous these last 60, though. Only way to figure it.
CrαZy
July 30th, 2012
10:51 am
.139 /.311 /.250
That’s solid production if it was from the pitchers spot in the order.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:51 am
Uggla is going to hit the World Series winning HR in the bottom of the 9th in game 6 and his entire season will be redeemed
Indeed.
I found my credentials for the philly forum T’Hawkin. Fun fun fun!
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
10:52 am
So, provided J.R. Graham gets like 6 more starts for Double-A Mississippi, he could end up starting next year for Triple-A Gwinnett.
So we should be looking at a rotation of Gilmartin, Spruill, Graham, Hale. Even though none of those kids have the upside of Teheran and Delgado(debatable for Randall), Wren probably sees minor league depth and is willing to trade Delgado to fill the need.
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
10:52 am
I do realize teams/GM’s etc, don’t construct their rosters based on fans wishes. That’s what this place is for I suppose. Voicing opinions. If it weren’t for the opinion voicing aspect of the blog, then it would be straight reporting with no responses, stories and columns about the Braves only. Basically, what existed before the internet age.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:53 am
Uggla is going to hit the World Series winning HR in the bottom of the 9th in game 6 and his entire season will be redeemed
He does that, and, as far as I’m concerned, he can hit .200 next season.
Richie
July 30th, 2012
10:54 am
Beckett is too inconsistent for me. Braves have a pretty tight clubhouse now. Not the type of addition you want to add to it
Venice Jim
July 30th, 2012
10:55 am
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
not shocked beckett may approve #braves. players love braves (except dempster). plus, atlanta is known for fried chicken
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:57 am
Wren probably sees minor league depth and is willing to trade Delgado to fill the need.
If the rotation were solid 1-4, I’d probably agree with that. Zeke or Gilmartin would probably slot right in at 5 with reasonable results. But it too soon to tell if the 2013 rotation will be strong enough to allow that kind of scenario.
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
10:58 am
Kimbrel
July 30- 2011 54 appearances
July 30-2012 40 apperarance
Stars are lining up for the Braves this season.
Like Don Rickles tells Telly Savalas in Hogan’s Heroes,
“make a deal”
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:58 am
So we should be looking at a rotation of Gilmartin, Spruill, Graham, Hale. Even though none of those kids have the upside of Teheran and Delgado(debatable for Randall),…
Yeah, but some highly touted prospects don’t pan out, whereas a Spruill or Hale may prove to be good, durable major league pitchers. Who’s radar was Beachy on?
But, yes, Wren likely thinks he can part with Delgado given the prospects moving up.
Lew
July 30th, 2012
10:58 am
Jepster – But when you speak your mind here you also open yourself to comments by others speaking their minds about what you posted.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:58 am
Even though none of those kids have the upside of Teheran and Delgado(debatable for Randall)
“Debatable for Delgado” indeed. I like Randall, but his upside his #3? That’s what Jurrjens was back in the day, pre-injury. I could see one of those 4 you mentioned filling out to a #3. Actually, I should say 3, because I have my doubts with Signable. Just as I have my doubts about Polished. He’s been good lately, but 89mph fastball… I’m not so hooked on the heat as you are Ef, but still, I like to see 90+. Especially at his age.
Lew
July 30th, 2012
11:00 am
Hogan’s Heroes?
Lew
July 30th, 2012
11:03 am
I think you meant Kelly’s Heroes.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
11:03 am
Just as I have my doubts about Polished.
His performance is getting a whole lot closer to “fact” than “fluke” or “coincidence”, though. Gotta give him that.
I’m reasonably sure that he and Sheets have a couple of clunkers waiting in the wings somewhere, but that bothers me not at all, if it isn’t a trend. Though I doubt Minor will get that benefit of the doubt from posters if and when he stinks up the joint in a game.
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2012
11:04 am
Braves are 0-12 on Mondays this season and 0-16 on Mondays since last Monday win at Chicago on Aug. 22, 2011.
George
July 30th, 2012
11:06 am
MONDAY, MONDAY.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
11:06 am
That streak ends tonight!
unbelievable
July 30th, 2012
11:06 am
You dont give up Delgado for a half season of anyone. If Delgado is moved he needs to be a piece in someone thats controllable with more upside now. I believe he was linked in the Dempster deal becuase Wren thought he could get Dempster to stay after the season. Dempster has made it pretty clear he will do whatever it takes to end up in LA. If he does decide to come to Atl I really hope Wren has lowered his offering price.
Bravesfaninnc
July 30th, 2012
11:07 am
Guys I know we are so bad on Monday but I got a feeling that the Braves will win tonight the reason is Chipper Jones twitter account. Since Chipper has join twitter the Braves have not lost a game positive thinking.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
11:08 am
Dempster has made it pretty clear he will do whatever it takes to end up in LA. If he does decide to come to Atl I really hope Wren has lowered his offering price.
Much lower.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
11:08 am
The unstoppable force meets immovable object tonight! 5 straight vs. 0-12.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
11:09 am
Tonight, Hanson reverses the curse for Monday. I don’t believe even Tommy can have two games in a row like his last one. Thus, he’s due for an excellent outing, and the Braves probably hospitalize Buerhle (who knows now, beyond a doubt, that he’s stuck there in Miami for the duration of his contract. I can’t believe that makes one want to storm the mound and hold it safe against all foes.).
Hey, I don’t explain the logic, I just throw it out there, LOL.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
11:10 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
“That streak ends tonight!”
Bank On It!
George
July 30th, 2012
11:10 am
We will break out of it tonight 17-5.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
11:11 am
@TOBF
Check out the post on philly.com/phillies forum on the post abt them saying “That Its Time to Drill McCann” calling him Ovrrated, etc…
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
11:13 am
I say put Chief Noc-a-Homa and the tepee back in the bleachers and the Monday curse goes away.
Chief Noc-a-Homa was always powerful medicine.
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
11:13 am
Lew- you are correct. Kelly’s Heroes
Great flick.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
11:14 am
Dempster has made it pretty clear he will do whatever it takes to end up in LA. If he does decide to come to Atl I really hope Wren has lowered his offering price.
Much lower.
I’d go so low as to offer them “Salary Relief” in exchange for Dempster.
JPopNC
July 30th, 2012
11:16 am
DOB: Do you know if Dan plays golf? Cause I’ve seen where golf can really mess up a baseball swing and the way he’s opening up is very indicative of that.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
11:17 am
Frankie – Telly Savalas was crazy.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
11:17 am
His performance is getting a whole lot closer to “fact” than “fluke” or “coincidence”, though. Gotta give him that.
“fact” than “fluke”?? I was speaking of career viability. I don’t see Polished last long in the league if he tops out at 89mph. And, like many other conversations before, I need more than a game, a week, a month or a half season to come to a conclusion on his ability at the MLB level. Polished has a ways to go before then, and even still… Well… yes, one could easily say my opinions are stacked against him, but not for something as prejudicial as height ( :
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
11:17 am
I like the “salary relief” angle.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
11:17 am
I was thinking Dirty Dozen…my bad.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
11:19 am
I’d go so low as to offer them “Salary Relief” in exchange for Dempster.
Ha! Totally worth it just to make the offer. And even more awesome if it is accepted. The kid would be permanently branded as Salary Relief. There’d just be no escaping it.
Tumbledown
July 30th, 2012
11:19 am
I curse the Monday curse.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
11:23 am
Monday curse ends TONIGHT!
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
11:24 am
“Frankie – Telly Savalas was crazy.”
“Big Joe” Raleigh. Walked away with a lot Gold. Hopefully Fran Wren reprises the role in 2012.
Ray
July 30th, 2012
11:25 am
Braves,, keep telling yourself,, its FRIDAY. it is FRIDAY not Monday
JPopNC
July 30th, 2012
11:25 am
One other thought: maybe McCann’s dad/brother can rebuild Dan’s swing too. They sure did a fantastic job with Brian and they sure couldn’t hurt any with Dan.
unbelievable
July 30th, 2012
11:25 am
I don’t see Polished last long in the league if he tops out at 89mph.
Yeah I cant think of any lefties who have lasted long throwing under 90mph. Glavine and Moyer had awful careers didnt they.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
11:26 am
From MLBTR…
Josh Beckett Rumors: Monday
By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 10:20am CST]
Despite a report of the Red Sox shopping righty Josh Beckett to the Rangers and Braves, there was a clear vibe from reporters this morning that a trade is unlikely. Beckett can veto any trade given his 10-and-5 rights, and he’s owed $37MM through 2014. The latest on the 32-year-old Texan…
The Braves are not a viable landing spot for Beckett right now, reports WEEI’s Rob Bradford. Bradford says the Braves are not in position to assume Beckett’s financial obligation, even if the Red Sox pick up a significant portion. MLB.com’s Mark Bowman says the Braves are not a likely fit for Beckett, but Atlanta would be more interested in Jon Lester. The Red Sox are saying no, flatly, regarding calls about Lester, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney.
There is a sense that Beckett might waive his 10-and-5 rights for certain teams, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, but clubs are concerned about his attitude and performance. In comments made to Bradford a couple days ago, Beckett said he prefers to stay, “But if people don’t want you, you don’t want to be there. Obviously I have some things where it would be very difficult for them to trade me if I didn’t want to be traded. But you have to think realistically. If you’re not wanted somewhere, why stay there? Know what I mean? It kind of makes it a little more difficult. But [GM Ben Cherington] assured me during spring training that he wants me here, so as far as I’m concerned, it’s just made-up fodder.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
11:27 am
but not for something as prejudicial as height
I really ought to explain the reasons why shortish pitchers are less likely to be successful, but I’ve come too far for that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
11:28 am
from the Phillies forum
The only thing that can save the Phillies in 2013 is to get in a division with the Rockies, Padres, Cubs, Astros, and Brewers. They can compete with that slop.
LOL
cricket
July 30th, 2012
11:30 am
monday curse is over, unless off course Fredi scre** it up
i miss the Blame Everything On Fredi posts..
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
11:32 am
Glavine and Moyer had awful careers didnt they.
Excellent example. We should all hold out hope that Polished has a career as great as Jamie Moyer.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
11:32 am
Frankie – Yep, my bad. As I said, I was thinking Dirty Dozen, Not Kelly’s Heros.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
11:33 am
Maybe Princess Win-A-Lotta would be a better fit for Mondays… Though she’s got to be a queen by now.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
11:33 am
@TOBF…
One of there Fans on there called me a Ph ucking Hillbilly on there when The Braves swept the Phillies at CBP a few weeks ago…
I thought it was funny as hell….
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2012
11:34 am
They don’t like Mondays: Braves try to snap 16-game Monday skid
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/07/30/braves-have-16-game-monday-losing-streak/
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
11:34 am
I really ought to explain the reasons why shortish pitchers are less likely to be successful
No need to explain the probabilities… more need to explain why you would never even give them a chance to begin with. The odds may be long, but they are not zero that a quality pitcher can be found below the 6 foot 5 mark.
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
11:35 am
“Frankie – Yep, my bad. As I said, I was thinking Dirty Dozen, Not Kelly’s Heros.”
Another classic.
unbelievable
July 30th, 2012
11:35 am
Excellent example. We should all hold out hope that Polished has a career as great as Jamie Moyer.
Im sure you are being sarcastic, but I think if you asked any pitcher they’d love to have a career with over 600 starts and almost 300 wins.
abeeewright
July 30th, 2012
11:36 am
Why Medlen instead of Delgado?
Delgado looked a little over whelmed before he was sent to AAA. Give him a chance to get his head back together, even with the spot start thrown in.
Braves may have a new starter by Tuesday, which would mean calling Delgado up and immediately sending him down if the trade is finalized too late for the new starter to slot into that start.
I would view Tuesday’s start as a spot start for the long man (Medlen) rather than a repacement of Jurrjens in the rotation. JJ has essentially been cut. He’ll stay with the big club until they need his roster spot. I suspect he’ll be sent to AA if the Braves have the option to make such a move.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
11:36 am
Watched MLB Network’s program “Ten Worst Trades” – or whatever – yesterday.
Listed among the worst was KC sending David Cone to the Mets for… Ed Hearn.
Cone was quoted as saying something to the effect that you just never know with pitchers under 25 when the “light bulb” will go off. It did for him, of course. Cone said it took him a little while to figure out the major league game.
Young pitchers need time to develop.
BravePack(FreeFan)
July 30th, 2012
11:37 am
I told DOB last week not to mention the Monday thing this week as a reverse of fortune and he went ahead and did it anyway. Hopefully it doesn’t come back to haunt them again tonight.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
11:39 am
Short stature is a handicap, but numerous exceptions…like (notably) Pedro Martinez. He was…well, pretty good for a pretty long time.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
11:39 am
Short stature is a handicap, but numerous exceptions…like (notably) Pedro Martinez. He was…well, pretty good for a pretty long time.
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2012
11:39 am
Ah yes, Jamie Moyer. The type of player every team hopes to draft with a top-10 pick.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
11:39 am
Sorry that I stuttered.
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2012
11:41 am
We shall test the power of the blog curse/reverse-curse with this Monday losing skid entry.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
11:42 am
more need to explain why you would never even give them a chance to begin with.
That one’s pretty easy: there are almost always options with a higher probability of success. The fact that Medlen is now getting his chance to make more than a couple of starts says more about the state of the rotation than it does about anything else. My hope is that Medlen proves out to the kind of starter that so many here think him to be.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
11:44 am
Minor since June 1st: 9 starts, 55 IP, 40 hits, 20 ER, 3.27 ERA, opp. slash – .204/.280/.393, 9 HR’s allowed, 21 BB’s, 47 K’s.
Still sort of tough to fully believe in him. But it’s a solid 2 months and great progress. Keep it going for another 2 months and he’s probably locked up a rotation spot for 2013.
Patrick
July 30th, 2012
11:44 am
You know what I find amazing.
Is the fact that Kenny Williams can pull off trades for impacty players in Kevin Youkalis, Bretty Myers and Francisco Liriano with one of the worst farm systems in baseball and a mandate from the owner that he is to take on very little salary. So, he has budget contraints.
AND YET HE STILL PULLED OFF 3 TRADES!
He gave up next to nothing to get these players (2 former all-stars, all in their prime) AND HE GOT THESE TEAMS TO PAY THESE PLAYERS SALARIES! HE EVEN GOT TH E TWINS TO TRADE A POTENTIAL IMPACT STARTING PITCHER TO A DIVISON RIVAL!!!!!!
I know that Kenny has made some questionable move in his career as Sox GM, but he is unquestionably committed to winning, putting the best team out on the field and giving the White Sox organization the best chance to win. They are in a very simliar situation as the Braves as well.
He is very creative and willing to take risks.
I think Wren can take a page or two from Kenny Williams book.
BECAUSE HE IS WILLING TO DO NONE OF THESE THINGS.
This “don’t fix what isn’t broken” approach that the Braves have had since Scheurholtz took over is starting to break. The Braves need to WAKE UP and that starts with Wren!
Moves are out there to be made, I don’t know if Wren is good enough of a GM to pull them off. I am seriously questioning if he has what it takes.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
11:45 am
there are almost always options with a higher probability of success.
Such as Jurrjens in 2012….
That probability of success you cite is based on height seeing how that is the parameters of your prejudice. Meds, while I do not seriously contend will be a Cy Young/Hall of Famer, has proven through his minor league and limited major league work that he has a probability of success sufficient enough to give him the ball as a fifth starter.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
11:46 am
The Buck and Kincade Show should be interesting today
As that Phillies Homer John Kincade admits a Fatality on his Phillies, and jumps on the Braves Bandwagon
Or wait a minute, Its all going to be Falcons Football talk
ncbravesfan90
July 30th, 2012
11:46 am
I wonder if the Reds acquire Juan Pierre, if Chris Heisey will be made available? That would be a nice RH bat off the bench for the Braves. He can play all 3 outfield positions. Just a thought
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
11:46 am
Is the fact that Kenny Williams can pull off trades for impact players in Kevin Youkalis, Bretty Myers and Francisco Liriano with one of the worst farm systems in baseball and a mandate from the owner that he is to take on very little salary.
Your use of the term impact should be questioned. Nice players with expiring contracts. Wren could probably do that too. But there really isn’t a need for it.
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2012
11:47 am
Braves (16-8) are tied with Pirates for second-best record in NL in July, behind Reds (18-6).
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
11:47 am
Keep it going for another 2 months and he’s probably locked up a rotation spot for 2013.
He doesn’t need to do it for another 2 months. That spot next year is his. When he stunk, the team opted to keep him and drop Delgado.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
11:48 am
has proven through his minor league and limited major league work that he has a probability of success sufficient enough to give him the ball as a fifth starter.
Guess we are about to find out if you’re right, LOL.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
11:49 am
Braves (16-8) are tied with Pirates for second-best record in NL in July, behind Reds (18-6).
I thought the Nats were 17-8?
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
11:49 am
Is the fact that Kenny Williams can pull off trades for impact players in Kevin Youkalis, Bretty Myers and Francisco Liriano with one of the worst farm systems in baseball and a mandate from the owner that he is to take on very little salary.
Shouldn’t that at least end with a question mark?
Fish Bisch
July 30th, 2012
11:54 am
Might as well not even watch today.
Everyone knows it will be a L in the win/loss column.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
11:54 am
Guess we are about to find out if you’re right
“If I’m right” that he has provided sufficient work to allow him to be a fifth starter? I think the fact that he is getting the shot is proof enough that I’m right… his work has been sufficient enough to earn him the chance. It’s still a probability, success and failure. Now all he has to do is “out pitch” Jair Jurrjens. I’m fairly confident he can do that. Though I will say that I don’t expect him to go deep into a game right away. It’s been a while since he was “stretched out.”
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2012
11:55 am
Correction: Braves (16-8) are tied with Pirates for THIRD-best record in NL in July, behind Reds (18-6) and Nationals (17-8).
JoeFan
July 30th, 2012
11:58 am
Believe the Braves are ready to play with the roster as constituted unless Wren finds a blue light speacial. Don’t think he will give Cubs Delgado for Dempster, that is water under the bridge, unless Cubs are willing to take a pitcher like Spruill. If the Braves can avoid any more serious injuries, then this roster makes them a viable contender for a playoff spot.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
11:59 am
The teams at the top are destroying the teams at the bottom right now.
These are the records in July against the Marlins, Mets, Phillies, Brewers, Astros, and Rockies:
Braves 11-1
Nationals 11-6
Reds 9-0
Pirates 13-4
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
11:59 am
unless Cubs are willing to take a pitcher like Spruill.
Zeke will not be traded.
MikeInFl
July 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
Don’t think he will give Cubs Delgado for Dempster, that is water under the bridge, unless Cubs are willing to take a pitcher like Spruill.
If we’re gonna trade pitching for a rental, Spruill would be my choice. Never watched him pitch, but those modest K rates at AA don’t scream “top of the rotation starter” to me.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
12:02 pm
In 2010, as a starter Medlen went 5-0 with a 3.86 ERA, averaged 6 IP a start in 14 games started.
Polished has gone 9-10 with a 5.18 ERA and 5.2 IP per start in 19 games started this season.
It has been a while for Medlen, but I would say his work at the major league level should be sufficient enough to allow him the chance to be a fifth starter.
I’d also like to point out that that Medlen’s 14 starts where better than any 14 start stretch Kyle Davies gave the Braves.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
Braves are 8th in team OPS and 8th in team ERA in the National League.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
If we’re gonna trade pitching for a rental, Spruill would be my choice.
You’re gonna get on my bad side, man.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
12:04 pm
8th in team ERA in the National League
They can thank Kimbrel for that.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
12:04 pm
He doesn’t need to do it for another 2 months. That spot next year is his. When he stunk, the team opted to keep him and drop Delgado.
Good point. It’s Wren’s boy.
MikeInFl
July 30th, 2012
12:05 pm
yeah, ’scoots… hadn’t seen your comment yet when I posted. Geez, now I’m not gonna be able to sleep tonight, for fear of retribution.
What do you like about him? Again, I’m just lookin’ at the numbers.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
12:06 pm
Kyle Davies was only six-one.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
12:07 pm
Kyle Davies was only six-one.
HA!
Touché
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
12:07 pm
They can thank Kimbrel for that.
Relievers tied for 4th in ERA and Starters rank 13th. Yup.
Like I’ve said, it should be Kimbrel and Hudson for the 12 man staff next year. Every other friggin spot should be evaluated at an intense level.
I know that’s probably unreasonable, though. They won’t be paying their 4th and 5th starters more than the league minimum.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
12:08 pm
It’s amazing how awful Davies was. Just terrible.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
12:08 pm
Graham is 6′0” and Medlen is like 5′10”.
Would scoots be able to take it if both of those guys were in our rotation?
Hah!
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
12:11 pm
What do you like about him? Again, I’m just lookin’ at the numbers.
Zeke’s numbers really have nothing to do with my affection for him as a pitcher. It’s a long story, and really too mushy to go into here; suffice it say that baseball players named Ezekiel have a spot reserved with me. Mr. Spruill is in occupancy, at the moment.
Beyond that, Zeke works at his craft, doesn’t get rattled much, and will probably be “crafty” one day, I don’t think he’ll ever be a star, in any way, and it makes not a jot of difference to me.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
12:11 pm
Hudson, Hanson/XXX, XXX, Minor, Delgado/Teheran/Medlen/Gilmartin/XXX
Hanson could be traded, so that spot could be someone else. And if we trade Hanson and receive a prospect package, one of those kids could be a starter that’s close.
If we can just get 2 solid months from Tommy…..
I don’t believe his value is basement/dirt right now. But it is lower than you think.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
Would scoots be able to take it if both of those guys were in our rotation?
Graham has a redeeming feature: he throws gas.