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Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
9:58 am
First, the Nats have never experienced a stretch run where they’ve been contenders. They are, in other words, untested. (JeffR)
As opposed to the Braves who were tested last year. How’d that go? just saying.
Not well. See my 9:48 am post.
Lew
July 30th, 2012
9:58 am
Anders – Actually, I don’t believe they’d do it. But then again, they did with Renteria when they didn’t want him anymore. LIke I said earlier – if they ate ll bnut $5 mil a year it might be owrtth it, but I’m not really seeing that happening or much Braves interest.
I’ve said all along I think we’ll see bullpen additions and bench upgrade and not a starter at the prices being asked these days.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
9:58 am
And nothing to suggest they’ll become GNATS once again either.
Big difference in the two things, rich. I’m not suggesting that they will revert to being doormats. What I am suggesting is that the starting pitching (Gonzalez, Zimmerman, and Detwiler) is a little over their heads this season; the offense makes outs like they get gold stars for them; and they aren’t going to be drafting first, anymore.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
9:59 am
I do find it interesting that the Braves went with Medlen instead of Delgado in the rotation for now.
I’m very intrigued by this. Maybe FW is close to trading Delgado???
DOB – It depends on whether or not we could get a Renteria type deal with them taking only one decent prospect and eating most of the salary.
I don’t think that would work. The guy has 2 more years left as well. It’s not going to be a D. Lowe kinda deal….
richbrave
July 30th, 2012
10:00 am
raleighbravesfan:
From the first mouthful, I instantly recollected the flavor from my youth. There will be no other for me. It’s all a matter of taste anyway. I just grew up eating that recipe of BBQ, and nothing can replace the memory. I’ll die happy eating order-up PARKER’s.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
July 30th, 2012
10:00 am
Tomahawkin They also want to Drill B-Macc…
They just better watch it!…And no plays at the plate!!!!…
Bravesfaninnc
July 30th, 2012
10:00 am
Btw Bowman @mlbbowman still believe that the Braves will end up with a starting pitcher.
Anders
July 30th, 2012
10:01 am
Efrim- How about my Rangers getting Nash for a couple of 3rd liners and a young middle of the road defenseman?
I can’t wait for them to lace them up again.
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
10:01 am
Blog ate last two posts
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:01 am
I think the BRAVES need to see what they’ve got with MEDS, starter or long-relief while giving DELGADO more time to improve his game in AAA and dominate. Hopefully, anyway.
Better than dealing for retreads, old men, and overpriced “stars.”
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
10:01 am
Those Reds are now tied with the Nats with a league-best 3.26 team ERA. They’ve had good health, using only 13 pitchers all year, and only five starters.
They’re a tough matchup for the Braves (and anyone else) with those great lefties in the pen.
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2012
10:02 am
How about my Rangers getting Nash for a couple of 3rd liners and a young middle of the road defenseman?
And the 30th pick in the draft. Don’t forget that.
Jeez. The Blue Jackets just can’t do anything right.
mark rappaport
July 30th, 2012
10:02 am
Forget trying to trade for a starting pitcher, the braves need a right handed hitting left fielder who can HIT
consistantly and with some power. When it comes to the playoffs, 2 good pitchers and some really good hitting seems to be the formula.
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
10:02 am
FW been way quiet the last couple of days. Guy is Phil Ivey this year. He’s going all in baby.
Getting a relief pitcher, Meds to the starting lineup gets you to the final table of 7 that’s it.
George
July 30th, 2012
10:03 am
MONDAY, MONDAY
Lew
July 30th, 2012
10:03 am
Bravefaninnc- And Bowman has been so accurate with his predictions this year.
Anders
July 30th, 2012
10:03 am
Fair enough Lew. I think if the Braves stay healthy they catch the Nats. The Braves are strong up the middle. McCann, decent starting pitching, Bourne and a lights out closer. That’s the recipe to winning late in the year. I think Clippard is weak and will wilt in September.
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
10:04 am
“Better than dealing for retreads, old men, and overpriced “stars.””
Like Rafael Furcal last season in St. Louis
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:04 am
Btw Bowman @mlbbowman still believe that the Braves will end up with a starting pitcher.
Oh, well then we’re not getting a SP…. we all know how Bowman (and his sources) are.
Anders
July 30th, 2012
10:06 am
Steve from Ohio- and to be fair there is that $8mil a year they have to pay him. But hey, the Rangers are paying Wade Redding $6mil a year to ride the bus down on the farm for the 3rd year in a row! Remarkable.
Ok my flights gonna land soon. Check in with you guys later.
Ray
July 30th, 2012
10:07 am
I would rather have Lester than Beckett. Would cost less. Doesn’t appear to be a bad guy. Younger.
The phil’s a perfect case of signing multiple bad contracts because their budgets were increasing drastically.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Did you know the Braves are hitting just .220 over their current five-game winning streak?
Good pitching kinda helps, I’ve come to find.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
10:07 am
I would rather have Lester than Beckett. Would cost less.
I assure you he would not cost less.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Like Rafael Furcal last season in St. Louis
Sometimes you find a diamond in a pile of manure.
Anders
July 30th, 2012
10:08 am
Forget trying to trade for a starting pitcher, the braves need a right handed hitting left fielder who can HIT (Mark rappaport)
How about Jason Bay? He hits the wall with his head at least once a month.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
10:08 am
Anders – How could you, of all people, leave Chipper Jones off your list?
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:09 am
Good pitching kinda helps, I’ve come to find.
Ah, Zack G. woulda been perfect. I hope Meds (or whoever else pitches) is a good one.
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
10:09 am
DOB, your Beckett posts have almost a personal ring to them. Were you in Miami when Beckett was there?
I would take Beckett in a heartbeat if the Red Sox ate enough of his contract. Also, many people who are in the same business as you are seem to think Beckett has plenty left in the tank. I agree with them.
As to the subject of a “good clubhouse,” the Braves have always seemed to have a good clubhouse. It has resulted in one world championship since the run began in 1991.
The Yankees won world championships when they only spoke to each other on the field and didn’t have a “good clubhouse.”
Good clubhouses are great if you can have one, but good clubhouses don’t generally mean championships. Never have and probably never will. They don’t hurt, but they don’t help. IF you asked most fans if they would have their team sing Kumbaya or win a championship….. most would take the championship.
Tumbledown
July 30th, 2012
10:09 am
Even if the Braves got a proven starter, I belive there are a several teams on paper better than them (Angels, Nats, Reds, Yankees and Rangers). I have come to believe that the Braves should just get a proven reliever and go with a starting rotation of Sheets, Hudson, Hanson, Minor, and Medlen. I think they will get to the playoffs, and maybe the baseball gods will take a shine to the Braves once there. We will not mortgage the future where hopefully one or more of Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Graham, and Gilmartin will develop. Plus, Beachy will be back next year. With our limited resourses, this is the best course for giving the Braves the best chances in the coming years.
I did not think this way earlier in the year, but the Braves have bounced back nicely from a stunning collapse last year, a woeful spring training, and an 0-4 start. There is some fight in this team. If nothing else, do not trade for Beckett or give up Delgado for Dempster (if that trade is somehow resurrected)
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
10:10 am
Anders – I’m pretty excited about my Hurricanes…if they can avoid the dreaded lock out.
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
10:10 am
“Sometimes you find a diamond in a pile of manure. ”
Dempster off that pile would be shiny.
Murph
July 30th, 2012
10:11 am
I thought for sure I’d return from vacation to an all-new starting rotation. I guess adding Medlen counts.
Sure am glad the Dempster trade fell apart. That would have been one costly rental. Not very thrilled with the Beckett talk, unless his salary is 100% covered by the Red Sox and he only costs us Jack Wilson in exchange.
Seems that the team is doing pretty alright without adding an ace. A bullpen arm would be nice, but otherwise I’d stay the course. Unless Felix could be had.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
10:11 am
richbrave – No slight intended on my part for Parkers. If not the best, they’re pretty close. Were you in Wilson or Greenville? What was the occasion?
George
July 30th, 2012
10:11 am
Rainy days and BRAVES baseball on MONDAYS gets me down.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
10:12 am
How about my Rangers getting Nash for a couple of 3rd liners and a young middle of the road defenseman?
Great trade. And my Penguins are something like 15 million under the cap for 2012-2013 and are set to go with Chris Kunitz and Pascal Dupuis with Sidney Crosby again…..
I am still laughin all the way to the bank on the Goligoski for James Neal trade with the Stars. James Neal is a stud.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
10:12 am
The Braves’ starting pitcher has won each of the last five games. In the last 20 games, Braves starters not named Jair Jurrjens are 12-1. That one loss was Minor’s, when he gave up 2 runs in 7 innings in Miami.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:13 am
We will not mortgage the future where hopefully one or more of Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Graham, and Gilmartin will develop. Plus, Beachy will be back next year.
It’s gonna be a nice off-season + next trade deadline. There will be pieces to trade, IMO. We have quite a bit of pitching going to AAA and AA, and we likely can’t keep them all. Gonna be fun.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
10:13 am
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
@BBoland1988 Doesn’t sound like the Rays will deal Shields. Still have a hunch Braves will end up with a starting pitcher.
Sure hope it ain’t Ryan Dempster for Randall Delgado. I mean, Wren would be laughed at – and deservedly so.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
10:15 am
Not sure the Braves would have to give up Delgado now if they revisited the trade. The Cubs seem to have lost a lot of leverage. Not much from the Dodgers camp on him either.
Lew
July 30th, 2012
10:15 am
George – Somehow, I’ve never imagined you as Karen Carpenter.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
10:16 am
We will not mortgage the future where hopefully one or more of Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Graham, and Gilmartin will develop. Plus, Beachy will be back next year.
I think the Braves are doing themselves an injustice by keeping all of those pitchers and not trading for some “right now” talent. I get that Teheran is the guy everyone wants, but they really should be able to get some good pieces for Delgado, Gilmartin, Graham or Spruill.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
10:16 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
“Thanks DOB, not getting why the love for Beckett here… then again, a declining fastball (speed doesn’t matter, right guys?), isn’t a red flag.”
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Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
10:16 am
The Braves are 15-5 in the last 20. 3-4 against winning teams (Nats, Giants), and 12-1 against losing teams.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:17 am
As to the subject of a “good clubhouse,” the Braves have always seemed to have a good clubhouse. It has resulted in one world championship since the run began in 1991.
The Braves have a rep for wanting a “good” clubhouse, meaning no dissension, no guys with attitudes, etc.
Whether you, I, or anyone else on this blog cares if there’s harmony in the clubhouse, the Braves’ management does. Just a fact.
As to DOB having something personal against Beckett, I’ll let the man speak for himself, if he cares to. But I read DOB’s post as a straight on this-is-the-facts summary of how crummy Beckett is.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:17 am
Braves starters not named Jair Jurrjens are 12-1
And the starters named Jair Jurrjens have sukked recently. Is he still on the team? Yep… Make a trade FW, get him off the 25!!!
Juan
July 30th, 2012
10:17 am
We’re winning….we not need SP….JJ in the Pen & Medlen SP that what we need…The Was Nat has to have a Bad Month sooner than later…the next six game i hope Phillis & miami help us.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
10:18 am
Really hoping Arodys Vizcaino starts at Gwinnett next year. Just keep him in that role and see what he can do now that he is recovering from TJ surgery.
Lew
July 30th, 2012
10:18 am
I really wouldn’t count on Beachy for much of anything of significance next year. MAYBE Vizcaino might help some later in the season, but I’d bet on Beachy for the start of 2014.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:19 am
Plus, Beachy will be back next year.
After the break, and unlikely to be full-tilt, even then. Can’t expect him to be the ERA leader when he returns. Better to plan for nothing from Beachy and be grateful for any gravy.
George
July 30th, 2012
10:19 am
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Like Rafael Furcal last season in St. Louis
Sometimes you find a diamond in a pile of manure.
***********************************
He is NOT a pile of manure. He should have been like CHIPPER a lifelong BRAVE. We should have signed him , NOT let him get away to LA.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
10:19 am
Frankie
“Nationals kick and scratch yesterday and win. Blow a 9 run lead against the Braves and somehow resilient and tough enough to win last two games of the series. Inexperience, haven’t been there, not buying that reasoning in regular season. Playoffs, well might rear it’s ugly head hopefully.
Nats have been the best team in the East for 4 straight months. Not going to cave in last two. Beat them in the playoffs, could be a little vulnerable there at least this year.”
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raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
10:19 am
Efrim – But no Jordan Stall for you!
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:20 am
There is absolutely no reason to think that the Nats have a team that can dominate this division, other than their budget.
“other than their budget”… which hasn’t even been maximized right now. That’s such a massive reason they could dominate the division. It’s one of the main reasons the Braves dominated in the 90’s, they developed young talent (like the Nats have) and retained the talent by expanding the payroll to second only to the Yankees. The most recent team to do this… The Phillies (developed young talent, expanded payroll to second in the majors). The Nats currently have a lower payroll than the Braves.
Now, another reason to think highly of the Nats? Their starting rotation has an average age of 25.8 and their four “core building blocks” (Werth, Espinosa, Zimmerman and Harper) have an average age of 26.
I’m not saying nothing will go right for the Braves, but every single Braves fan knows there is a limit to the Braves finances. A limit this team is already up against. The Nats aren’t up against their limit yet. If the Nats front office is competent, that team should be at the top of the division for a while. I doubt they will dominate the league as I suspect the Dodgers will start showing up again now that that ownership issue is resolved.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:20 am
Really hoping Arodys Vizcaino starts at Gwinnett next year. Just keep him in that role and see what he can do now that he is recovering from TJ surgery.
Bad timing for Arodys. I think it’ll be hard to resist slotting him behind Kimbrel.
unbelievable
July 30th, 2012
10:20 am
Vizcaino will have his innings limited next season, He’d probably start in the pen and may move to a starter role if necessary around the break.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:21 am
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Doesn’t sound like the Rays will deal Shields. Still have a hunch Braves will end up with a starting pitcher.
Good, don’t want him, at least not now. He’s been pretty bad.
they really should be able to get some good pieces for Delgado, Gilmartin, Graham or Spruill.
Some bench players and relief pitchers. Not getting any top SP (which we need) with those guys (except Delgado, though it’d need to be a package)
I read DOB’s post as a straight on this-is-the-facts summary of how crummy Beckett is.</em.
As do I. All he did was post facts…
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:21 am
I think the Braves are doing themselves an injustice by keeping all of those pitchers and not trading for some “right now” talent. I get that Teheran is the guy everyone wants, but they really should be able to get some good pieces for Delgado, Gilmartin, Graham or Spruill.
Maybe, maybe not.
What does getting “good pieces” for better regarded prospects cost the Braves in terms of budget?
I guess Wren could have met the Brewers ask for prospects for Greinke, but Greinke at Hammels-like salary levels would be too high a price moving forward.
George
July 30th, 2012
10:21 am
Lew
July 30th, 2012
10:15 am
Lew I had a dream. Tonight we will break out of it in a big way, like 17-5.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
10:23 am
Jeff R
“The Phillies’ run and the supposed upcoming Nats’ run are apples and oranges.
First, the Braves were declining while the Phillies were on the upswing. The Phils didn’t have a lot of competition in the division through their streak.”
Really? I thought that 2008 Squad was Gonna Go Places they were very talented on Paper with Hoss, TEX, and B-Macc hitting 3-4-5…That was a Sick Middle of the order
unbelievable
July 30th, 2012
10:24 am
Braves cant afford to give 20% of their payroll to someone who might get 30 starts a year, like Greinke/Hamels. It makes even less sense to offer up top prospects for these guys.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:24 am
Nats have been the best team in the East for 4 straight months. Not going to cave in last two.
And I disagree with this. I disagree that this is a foregone conclusion. This is baseball that these teams are playing. Anything can happen. The Cards “epic rise” was in no small part a gift from the Braves epic collapse. The Nats have clearly been the best team in the NL East this season, but the season isn’t over yet.
Having said that, I still think the Nats will be around all year. Contenders to the end, despite the protest from one on here ( : And I think the Nats have a higher probability of capturing the division than the Braves. But I’m willing to let the season play out. And I’m still hoping the Braves rise to the occasion.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:25 am
Sometimes you find a diamond in a pile of manure.
He [Furcal] is NOT a pile of manure. He should have been like CHIPPER a lifelong BRAVE. We should have signed him , NOT let him get away to LA.
Jorge, calm yourself. I didn’t say that Furcal was a “pile of manure.” I said sometimes you find a diamond in a pile of manure. Perhaps I should have used “scrapheap” in my metaphor?
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:26 am
I think it’ll be hard to resist slotting him behind Kimbrel.
Bullpen lingo, but shouldn’t that be “in front of” Kimbrel? How’s that work in the bullpen descriptor lexicon?
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2012
10:26 am
As to DOB having something personal against Beckett, I’ll let the man speak for himself, if he cares to.
I’ve got nothing against him at all. In fact, I’ve known him since the day he signed with the Marlins after being drafted out of high school. Went to his hometown in Texas and hung out with him one day and night, did a story on him. Always got along with him when he was with Marlins.
That doesn’t change fact that he’s not nearly the pitcher he was, and that he’s got a poor reputation in Boston (and from talking to several Boston reporters that I know and trust, it’s warranted).
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
10:27 am
Kinda random and useless:
This is the first time in 12 years the Braves have had a five-game winning streak in which they tallied less than 10 hits in each game (they had a six-game streak like that in 2000). It’s only happened two other times (1995 and 1997) since the 90s started.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:27 am
Really? I thought that 2008 Squad was Gonna Go Places they were very talented on Paper with Hoss, TEX, and B-Macc hitting 3-4-5…That was a Sick Middle of the order
Hmm… Pitching woes, as I recall.
Lew
July 30th, 2012
10:27 am
George – Furcal missed 302 games from 2007 through 2011.
This year – his All Star return, he was hitting .319, .373, .440 on JUne 7 and today is hitting .272, .341, .352.Quuite a dropoff.
raleighbravefan
July 30th, 2012
10:27 am
Great comeback by the Nats yesterday. Keeping it real, though, the Brewer’s BP is terrible…and the Nats DID give up 10 runs. Anyone else but the Astros would have beaten them yesterday.
George
July 30th, 2012
10:27 am
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:25 am
Ok Jeff, sorry.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:28 am
Bullpen lingo, but shouldn’t that be “in front of” Kimbrel?
Probably so. Consider the post amended.
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2012
10:28 am
Great trade. And my Penguins are something like 15 million under the cap for 2012-2013 and are set to go with Chris Kunitz and Pascal Dupuis with Sidney Crosby again…
At least your top defensive pair isn’t Nicklas Kronwall and Brendan Smith/Ian White/Kyle Quincey. I think Smith will be a top defenseman in time, but not now. Yeesh.
Kenny Holland really struck out so far this summer. I do think he’s leery of the new CBA, which would make sense.
Richie
July 30th, 2012
10:28 am
It has been said that Gavin Floyd could be available as well. Thoughts on Floyd?
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
10:29 am
“As to DOB having something personal against Beckett, I’ll let the man speak for himself, if he cares to. But I read DOB’s post as a straight on this-is-the-facts summary of how crummy Beckett is.”
Arrogant, not good in the clubhouse, both seem to be facts. But while some see those as being environmental issues, other see those facts and disqualifiers. I don’t.
There is a difference between being a single issue in an otherwise good clubhouse and being one of many issues in a cancerous clubhouse. I don’t think Beckett would be a problem in ATL. Sheffield was a decent citizen in ATL and there weren’t too many people complaining about him when he homered.
And to address someone else’s observation, I suppose Hanson lost a few MPH off his fastball because he is pitching in ATL? Nope, but I believe Beckett’s results are a result of a toxic environment and atmosphere he is either part of or created for himself in Boston.
For 7-8 million a year, I think he’s worth a gamble. Can’t be any worse than KK getting 8 mil a year to pitch in Gwinnett can it?
Again, how much the Red Sox eat of his salary depends on what ATL would send them in return. Heck ATL ate 10 mil of Lowe’s salary and got Chris Jones in return. Not exactly on everyone’s “can’t miss” roster.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
10:31 am
More useless streak stuff:
The Braves’ .220 batting average in the last five games is the lowest batting average they’ve had in a win streak of five or more games since they hit just .216 in a 9-game win streak in August 1993.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:31 am
No worries, George.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:31 am
Nothing too impressive about Floyd IMO. I’d rather go with Meds…
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:31 am
Contenders to the end, despite the protest from one on here
I don’t know that I’ve ever said that they wouldn’t be in the race, only that I don’t see them as being quite as good as some here. The holes in their team are evident, if one wishes to look, just as are the Braves’ weaknesses.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:32 am
This year – his All Star return, he was hitting .319, .373, .440 on June 7 and today is hitting .272, .341, .352. Quite a drop-off.
Man, I haven’t paid much attention to him. I had to go look that up. Since June 7th, he has hit .206/.297/.225/.522 . Crazy. Over that same stretch Uggla has hit .121/.305/.189/.495.
Bruttal. So glad that isn’t the Braves middle infield right now.
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2012
10:32 am
Good clubhouses are great if you can have one, but good clubhouses don’t generally mean championships. Never have and probably never will. They don’t hurt, but they don’t help. IF you asked most fans if they would have their team sing Kumbaya or win a championship…most would take the championship. — Jepster38
Vast majority of players disagree with you and say a good clubhouse is important in baseball more than any sport, because of the 162-game season and the time these guys spend with each other (more time than they spend with their families, literally, from February through at least September). And with all due respect, GMs and managers don’t construct teams and make lineup decisions based on what fans (or media) want.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:32 am
Guys, this Beckett stuff is insane. It’s like saying that Prado is gonna play SS. It ain’t happening.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:33 am
The holes in their team are evident, if one wishes to look, just as are the Braves’ weaknesses.
So the holes balance out then? But with the Nats having the slight edge in overall team apparently as the standing would indicate. Probably the grit factor.
unbelievable
July 30th, 2012
10:33 am
It has been said that Gavin Floyd could be available as well. Thoughts on Floyd?
They just added Liriano so I doubt they would be selling. I dont think they want to try and push their luck with Liriano, Humber, and Quintana down the stretch. Dont think Floyd gets moved.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
10:36 am
Arrogant, not good in the clubhouse, both seem to be facts. But while some see those as being environmental issues, other see those facts and disqualifiers. I don’t.
Well, again, perhaps you don’t. Maybe I don’t. Wren and Braves execs do.
I have no idea if a toxic environment is Beckett’s problem, or if Beckett is a contributor to Boston’s toxic environment.
I do think he’s not worth the chunk of budget the Braves would have to commit (even with a Boston offset) to obtain his services.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:37 am
Sheesh. Since June 7th Uggla has had 1 multi-hit game. One.
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2012
10:37 am
If Beckett was still real good, Wren would not let the clubhouse thing stand in the way of trading for him. He really wouldn’t. He knows Beckett and knows that he doesn’t have to be a jerk, that he can be merely a supremely confident guy. But this is not the same Beckett that you wanted on the mound in any big game, who knew he was better than everyone and feared nothing.
This is a pitcher who is mediocre by big-league standards. Sorry, he just is. And with that huge contract and the rest of the baggage, can’t see Braves doing it. Won’t happen. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But person I talked to said there’s nothing there, just Red Sox made calls to several teams.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
10:38 am
I still dont think we need pitching other than trading a bag of cheetos for a young reliever…I still think we need another bat in LF and more help off the Bench…
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
10:39 am
I actually think Gavin Floyd could be a solid target as a #4 starter this winter – if Wren wants to get crazy and add two veteran pitchers.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
10:40 am
Thanks For that 411 D.O.B.
Thats Why I spend so much time on here as opposed to wasting my time watching BSPN…Nice 411 on Beckett
Some of the stuff on there is bad for one’s eyes???
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
10:41 am
Boston reporters say Beckett is a bad guy? I believe where there is smoke their if fire, but it’s been the subject of national sports reporting and commentary that the Boston reporters and media, along with Red Sox management cannot have a good parting with someone when they are on the crap list. It was funny when I was watching Chris Rose and Kevin Millar on MLB Network talking to a Boston reporter when Chris Rose said ” Millar knows how things are in Boston” To which Millar answered, ” and that’s why I live in Texas.”
Tito was crucified when he was let go in Boston and from all accounts he’s a really decent guy. The press couldn’t let it go, they had to bring up rumors of his addiction to pain killers etc even when Tito wasn’t even commenting about Boston.
Boston media is notorious for eating their disfavored sports figures so I’m not really geeked up about what their media has to say. Beckett isn’t a choirboy, but he probably isn’t Ty Cobb either in attitude.
I say roll the dice if he can be had for Delgado, another mid level prospect and Boston eating half his salary for the next two years.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:41 am
So the holes balance out then? But with the Nats having the slight edge in overall team apparently as the standing would indicate. Probably the grit factor.
More like the fact that they finally had a month where they’ve hit a lick. If they continue to do that, they might win the division, but I’m inclined to think that will fall off a tick.
‘Course, the key to the Braves’ success this month is that they finally had one where they pitched a lick, LOL, so maybe it does all even out, indeed.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
10:41 am
Bad timing for Arodys. I think it’ll be hard to resist slotting him behind Kimbrel.
I don’t know. 12 months back from TJ surgery and right into a high leverage bullpen role? I’m holding out hope he starts in Gwinnett for the beginning of next year.
Frankie
July 30th, 2012
10:41 am
“Sheesh. Since June 7th Uggla has had 1 multi-hit game. One.”
RH hitting Nate McLouth.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
10:41 am
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:37 am
“Sheesh. Since June 7th Uggla has had 1 multi-hit game. One.”
OUCH
Struggla Can redeem his season if he comes through against teams like the Phillies and the Curley W from here on out, Otherwise he’s our version of Joe Johnson…
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:42 am
If the Braves end up with Beckett, Frank Wren needs to be tarred, feathered, and fired.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
10:42 am
Last season Uggla had a 44 game stretch where he hit .140/.209/.261/.470. That was his worst stretch of the year.
Over his last 44 games this year, Uggla has hit .139/.311/.250/.561
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
10:42 am
Philly.com/phillies fourm is talking abt a Firesale Failure! LMAO
Funny stuff
Lew
July 30th, 2012
10:43 am
I don’t know if Beckett is the problem in the clubhouse or not, but living up here, we do hear players (and the managers) interviewed on tv all the time.
There have been quotes from those who were there about Ellsbury getting in Francona’s face – totally disrespecting him and basically telling him that the team listened to him (Ellsbury) more than they did TF. Also, a few weeks back, David Ortiz publically ranted about how the clubhouse hads become toxic and it had changed for the worse since their championship.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
10:44 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
“If the Braves end up with Beckett, Frank Wren needs to be tarred, feathered, and fired.”
Damn Son, Thats worse than When I call for someone to get “Ol Yellered”, lol
Its a good thing I haven’t had to do those posts lately
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
10:44 am
Over his last 44 games this year, Uggla has hit .139/.311/.250/.561
So, you’re saying there’s a chance, then?
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
10:46 am
Philly.com/phillies fourm is talking abt a Firesale Failure!
I forgot my login for that place, gotta make a new one I guess… but I used my name for that one….