1:25 pm July 29, 2012, by David O'Brien
Brian from SC
July 30th, 20128:58 am
How many times was it the great Howard K’ed? 8 times in the series?
1 for 11 with 8 strikeouts in the series. One single, no walks.
July 30th, 20128:59 am
How many people still believe the Phillies are a threat in the National League this season?
Actually, I’ve said they’re toast since late May, early June….. but some still “believed”. Historic comebacks happen every year, I guess.
it was amusing to read those posts before the series, curious to see how many will still own up to that thought after the fact.
MFin was on the Philly bandwagon. Of course.
A few others who probably will never show up here again. It’s tough to take people seriously after glowing about one of Jair Jurrjens starts and thinking he is back. Then also thinking the Phillies are back after a 8-4 12 game stretch despite being 12 back in the loss and like 10 game sunder .500.
Trap Series Coming Up against the AAA Miami Marlins…Hope we Split this one and take care of business this weekend!
July 30th, 20129:00 am
There is a decent chance that Bobby V is out of there this year. Unless they deem that most of the problem was primarily due to their injuries, giving him 2013 to do something.
July 30th, 20129:01 am
Not only are the players older and not as good now, but the Phillies don’t have that mojo going anymore. Lots of mental lapses and defensive mistakes, walks. Just a totally different team this year.
This team is known to play down to the level of their competition because they have been so inconsistant all season…Would Love to go 5-2 for the week
Crazy – It was a circus in Boston before Valentine got there, even though he’s done nothing to make it better.
A split against Miami would be a little disappointing. The Braves have outclassed them so far this year.
July 30th, 20129:02 am
. It’s tough to take people seriously after glowing about one of Jair Jurrjens starts and thinking he is back.
This. Our “ace” sukked so much that he’s in the pen and likely to be replaced. Awesome!!! JJ is done.
July 30th, 20129:03 am
The Braves are 29-13 against teams with a losing record this season.
“How many people still believe the Phillies are a threat in the National League this season?”
The Scare the tar out of me in the last 2 Series in September…They are gonna play the role of spoiler…
Their fans are wanting Chipper to get drilled in that they thought he showed up Doc Holliday yesterday after the homerun, they thought he was walking around the bases too slow…They also want to Drill B-Macc…
July 30th, 20129:04 am
Playing down to the competition? YOu mean they should have won all of the last six games instead of going 5-1 against bad teams?
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
“This team is known to play down to the level of their competition because they have been so inconsistant all season…Would Love to go 5-2 for the week”
The Braves are 29-13 against teams with a losing record this season.—Brian From SC
Good, Dont stop now, Im hoping that they don’t let their guard down and Slack off knowing that they are going up against a AAA caliber team that is missing Hanley and Giancarlo Stanton
July 30th, 20129:07 am
The Braves have outscored Miami 44-17 in 8 games head-to-head so far.
And Law could just be stealing that from a scout who was also in attendance that day…
Cherry Picking. Pull up all those reports on Gattis when Law had a detailed explanation of his work in Left Field after 2 games at the position… ( :
Wow, those Philthy fans are stupid. Chipper always jogs that “slowly”. Don’t know what BMac did other than hit.
July 30th, 20129:09 am
This is the Braves fifth streak of five or more wins this season. It’s a little surprising that they’ve only had one losing streak that long, but it was that 8-game doozy.
Phillies don’t have that mojo going anymore. Lots of mental lapses and defensive mistakes, walks
So true. They are sloppy with just about every play. They just don’t look like a good team. Maybe that is a result of the injuries, but whatever the cause, it is too late for them this season.
July 30th, 20129:10 am
going 5-1 against bad teams?
And 17 more consecutive games against losing teams coming up.
July 30th, 20129:11 am
Of course. I couldn’t remember exactly who it was, but that makes sense.
“Wow, those Philthy fans are stupid. Chipper always jogs that “slowly”. Don’t know what BMac did other than hit.”
I think they Want B-Macc Drilled because he kills them…Not to mention I had to Rub Salt into their Wound by doing one of my Well Known
BOOM SHOTLOCK BOOM
posts on their forum…
Do you think it lights a fire in their Fans asses when I do that on their forum?
You Damn Right it does, Its Karma for their Fans Mocking the Chop last year (Twice) and thinking it was funny. I told their fans a year ago, that I wasn’t gonna go out like that!
July 30th, 20129:12 am
Don’t the Nats have a similarly favorable schedule coming up, also? Or am I misremembering?
Last year the Phillies subs took over and performed – this year they’re not. Smae with the pen – last r Bastardo was lights out and so were the rest of them – this year they can’t get outs. And – of course – Ibanez is gone.
July 30th, 20129:15 am
They are gonna play the role of spoiler…
Here is a list of teams which will be playing the role of spoiler this year: Colorado, New York, Miami, Philadelphia and perhaps Pittsburgh. Some of those teams will play that role better than others. For example, I don’t see the Phillies playing it better than the Mets.
They get the Phillies, Marlins, and Astros coming up. But then, while the Braves are playing Mets and Padres, they get the D-Backs and Giants. Not quite as easy as the Braves’ sched in this stretch.
Regardless, the Braves are going to have to beat them head to head to take the division. Only six games left.
July 30th, 20129:16 am
“And 17 more consecutive games against losing teams coming up.”
Good to see that…Now its Win or Go Golfing Time, I dont think the Braves will catch the Curley W’s. They are like the 1994 Expos, Total Pests!
That Last series of the Season in Pittsburgh is Gonna be EPIC, Expect a Lot of Rowdy Stillers Fans There ready to Throw Down!
Steve from OH
Speaking of the Phillies, that Ryan Howard contract is looking worse and worse by the day.
Although not unanimous, picking up Beckett at a reasonable price seems to be a popular opinion here.
I think it’s a good gamble and as I said in an earlier post, the talking heads on MLB network feel like it’s all about getting him motivated, nothing physical or loss of talent.
Greinke and Dempster were rentals that required a significant investment to aquire. (Delgado or Teheran) Beckett, with Boston picking up enough of his salary, isn’t a rental. He’s 2 more years of contract past this season!
If the financials can be worked out, this is more worth a Delagado/Teheran and a lesser prospect deal than the Dempster or Greinke deal would have been. Besides, the better the prospects sent, the more likely the Sox are to eat more contract.
Good Morning I have a feeling that today we will hear that the Braves made a trade for a starting pitcher.
And it looked bad the day it was signed.
July 30th, 20129:17 am
Don’t the Nats have a similarly favorable schedule coming up, also?
They’re supposed to be fading into the background soon, right scoots? ( :
July 30th, 20129:19 am
Which should tell you how little I think of it now.
It may take on the order of 95 wins to win the division. That’s 38-23 the rest of the way. If the Braves finish off this homestand with a 5-2, it would be 33-21. Not exactly Mount Everest, IMO.
July 30th, 20129:20 am
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July 30th, 20129:21 am
Just read that copy/paste rumor about Beckett… it’s hard to believe he has been in Boston for more than 5 years. Seems like that deal went down yesterday. And I’m also glad to know the “Beckett is the best post season pitcher” talk is done with.
Do the Nats shut down Strasburg or not and if not, does it cause physicalproblems with him going forward?
Since July 15, Bourn is hitting .190 and Prado is hitting .218, and the Braves are still winning, in spite of it. Couldn’t rationally expect the two of them to be unconscious the entire season, but it’s gratifying to see that the team can still score plenty when they slump.
While some here bemoaned the offensive stand-pat stance this past offseason, others quietly opined that these guys would hit, and hit a lot. The team has so far seemed to be able to weather the slumps that naturally occur, whether it’s McCann, Uggla, Heyward in May, or Bourn/Prado now. There is more offensive depth on this club than most in recent memory.
July 30th, 20129:22 am
Yesterday showed why the club needs to pick up a couple of extra pieces. The Nats aren’t going anywhere and can’t bank on other teams helping you from here on out. That was a helluva comeback(3 of them) and they battle albeit a horrible Brewer team. Need to punch these guys in the face and win both series that are left. A couple of more pieces would go a long way.
July 30th, 20129:23 am
Not exactly Mount Everest, IMO.
It’s “only” .623 ball… of course the team has “only” played .564 ball to date.
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July 30th, 20129:24 am
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July 30th, 20129:25 am
True. They have to continue to play very well, not just pretty well, to win the division.
Do the Nats shut down Strasburg or not and if not, does it cause physicalproblems with him going forward?
They say yes. I think they’d be wise by keeping the limits on him, but change the frequency at which he starts. Instead of every 5th game, move it to every 6th game or so… whatever it would take to get him into games down the stretch, and in the post season. That’d be stronger for the team than just completely subtracting him from the equation.
July 30th, 20129:26 am
Interesting conversation from TBS crew(Ernie Johnson, Smoltz, Darling). EJ asked what team really needs to make a move and without hesitation Smoltzie says Braves. Pretty obvious to a lot of folks that the Braves are a few pieces away to possible World Series entry if Wren can pull off something next couple of days.
Strasburg – going back to when he started college – has not pitched more than 123 IP in a season and he’s at 117 now. If the Verducci Effect is to be believed, he’s getting close now and it’s not even August 1.
Everyone see the video of the Brawl over the weekend in Pearl?
July 30th, 20129:27 am
It may take on the order of 95 wins to win the division.
I kinda doubt it. That’s a lot, man.
Maybe someobdy can retrieve a few of those offseason posts that spoke of a division winner with 88, since the division was going to be so “strong top to bottom, they’ll beat up on each other”. I mean, they were funny then, ought to be hilarious now.
July 30th, 20129:28 am
it’s gratifying to see that the team can still score plenty when they slump.
And Uggla hasn’t hit either… just wait till he gets HOT!
If the Verducci Effect is to be believed, he’s getting close now and it’s not even August 1.
Verducci Effect? Psssh
Yeah. Wasn’t impressive, I’ve seen better fights in HS ball…
This is kinda funny and shows how the game has changed from a generation or two ago…there are three hitters tied for first in the NL with 116 strikeouts. They are all middle infielders. Weeks, Uggla, and Espinosa.
July 30th, 20129:30 am
23 wins away from my predicted 80 win season!
We got this…..I think.
July 30th, 20129:32 am
What’s up Braves fans? I haven’t been here since the All Star break when I said I didn’t think my Mets could sustain their first half pace and i’d be happy if they played .500 ball over the second half. Wow, I mean I knew they were playing a bit over their heads and there was some smoke and mirrors involved but I certainly didn’t expect this fall off a cliff they’ve endured. Man has there bullpen killed them.
Meanwhile your guys seem to be on a roll. Clearly just you and the Nats for the division from here on out and a possible WC for the runner up. Makes for a fun late summer. I’m jealous.
Whats Happening Chief!
July 30th, 20129:33 am
It’s been pretty good with it’s flags. It isn’t 100%, but it’s more accurate than anything else out there.
So what do you guys think of going after Beckett? I myself would much rather Wren to go after Jon Lester.
July 30th, 20129:35 am
That makes an assumption that the Nats will play better than .600 ball the rest of the season. No slumps. No drop-off. At all.
Last year, they managed to increase their win total by 11. Assuming that they perfrom just as well this year, that’s still only 91 wins. And increasing win totals by count becomes harder as each win repesents a smaller percentile of increase. What you are saying is that they can increase their win total to 94, and I think that’s a little much.
However it turns out for the Pirates, I am really hoping they at least finish the season with a winning record. 20 years in the wilderness is long enough I think.
July 30th, 20129:36 am
Funny I actually felt a twinge of sadness for that team last night. Loving that the Philly fans are sick to their stomachs but got to be a little difficult knowing a team’s dominance is over. For last 5 years they have really put the screws to the Braves, give them credit.
Kind of think that’s why you go for it this season. Nationals possibly can make a Philly run the next 5 yrs. Hate to be second fiddle to another team in this division.
Nats will make the playoffs but Braves can win a 7 game series with Nats, Reds, Giants, LA. Nats aren’t going to fold down the stretch IMO and youth won’t hurt them. 7 game playoff? Experience might be a factor. Next year will be probably more difficult for the Braves to upseat this team. Do it now, make move(s)
July 30th, 20129:37 am
Been busy as heck T. Festivals, concerts, etc.
Lets get #6 tonight!
How man folks here think Josh Beckett, at 32 and with a whole lot of mileage, a declining fastball, arrogance and a pretty poor clubhouse reputation, would be a good pickup for the Braves? How much of the $37 million that he’s owed between now and the end of the 2014 season would the Red Sox need to cover for the negatives to be outweighed? (Did we mention that his one good season in the past three — a great season in 2011 — was sandwiched between a 5.78 ERA in 2010 and 4.57 ERA this season?)
Enjoyed PARKERS BBQ twice this past week. First time. The best. Must be the same recipe as the hole-in-the-wall place where I enjoyed BBQ as a youngster.
July 30th, 20129:38 am
The Nats would need to go 33-28 the rest of the way to get to 94 wins.
I myself would much rather Wren to go after Jon Lester.
The Braves will be acquiring a reliever, if they acquire anyone by tomorrow.
Almost would take my chances playing the Cards in a WC playoff than seeing them in a 7 game series. Would love to win the division, but this team and fans need to not fear the “dreaded 1 game WC match”. Screw it, got to keep winning regardless. If it happens to be a WC berth, so be it. Get it done.
July 30th, 20129:39 am
braves & nats have the easiest remaining schedules of the potential playoff teams (braves/nats/reds/pirates/dodgers/giants/cardinals)
I’m assuming you get semi-regular shipments of PARKER’s BBQ.
July 30th, 20129:40 am
(And we didn’t mention that his one good season in the past three — a great season in 2011 — was sandwiched between a 5.78 ERA in 2010 and 4.57 ERA this season.
So, by highlighting the every-other-year syndrome suffered by Beckett, are you suggesting he’d be a good addition for next year’s staff? ( :
Beckett? Not with a 10 foot pole. For various reasons the least of which is he’s a reported primadonna. And lots of innings on him. He could have been a Jack Morris type imo but wasn’t willing to do the work or endure the pain involved.
July 30th, 20129:41 am
By the way, Beckett is 1-7 with a 5.27 ERA in 11 night games this season.
Thanks DOB, not getting why the love for Beckett here… then again, a declining fastball (speed doesn’t matter, right guys?), isn’t a red flag.
July 30th, 20129:42 am
let me try and finish my thought here – below are games remaining against that group of teams
Nationals possibly can make a Philly run the next 5 yrs. Hate to be second fiddle to another team in this division.
Why is always so easy to believe that everything will go right for opponents and nothing will go right for the Braves, LOL? There is absolutely no reason to think that the Nats have a team that can dominate this division, other than their budget.
July 30th, 20129:43 am
@TennesseePaul I think we hear about a trade sometime today and I think it will be for a starting pitcher.
July 30th, 20129:44 am
Way to peg it at 9:37 am, DOB!
Beckett has been pitching like JJ this year, esp. lately…. I say no thanks.
July 30th, 20129:45 am
Nationals possibly can make a Philly run the next 5 yrs. Hate to be second fiddle to another team in this division. (Whoever?)
Welcome to the rest of the NL East in the 90’s when you guys had the big three HOF pitchers at the top of the rotation. At least you have a 2nd WC shot these days!
It’s one thing when a small payroll team is trying to shed a contract. When the Boston Red Sox are trying to get rid of someone, it’s because they’re not good.
July 30th, 20129:46 am
Say no to Beckett Wren and go after Jon Lester please.
‘Why is always so easy to believe that everything will go right for opponents and nothing will go right for the Braves, LOL? There is absolutely no reason to think that the Nats have a team that can dominate this division, other than their budget.”
Well, if you look on PAPER, have to feel the Nats are slightly ahead of the Braves going forward. No Chipper, Bourn(what happens?) and Huddy being 38, Hanson having some questions, holes on the bench.
Being a little stubborn there my friend, Nationals are just a tiny bit better than you have been giving them credit. Bullish on Braves future, extremely bullish on Nationals.
July 30th, 20129:48 am
DOB shared strong facts on not going with Beckett. Wasn’t it Beckett asked about him playing golf on his off day while he missed a start due to a slight injury. the media, gave him 2-3 opportunities to say the right thing after coming across arrogant and dismissive. The Boston media during that press conference, was,, Josh,, don’t say it like that,, take 2. hey Beckett, hmmm that comes across worse.. lets do take 3. ugh, he is too self absorbed and arrogant to get it.
First, the Nats have never experienced a stretch run where they’ve been contenders. They are, in other words, untested.
Now I’m not saying the Nats won’t perform well in the stretch, but I wouldn’t assume they do.
And, for a change, the Braves might of reversed their fortunes this season. Struggling to start and finishing strong.
Wouldn’t that be refreshing?
July 30th, 20129:49 am
I do find it interesting that the Braves went with Medlen instead of Delgado in the rotation for now.
July 30th, 20129:50 am
DOB – It depends on whether or not we could get a Renteria type deal with them taking only one decent prospect and eating most of the salary.
Getting him out of Fenway and the AL East could only help him. Still……..might be in crapshoot territory no matter what.
July 30th, 2012
“………Why is always so easy to believe that everything will go right for opponents and nothing will go right for the Braves, LOL? There is absolutely no reason to think that the Nats have a team that can dominate this division, other than their budget……..”
And nothing to suggest they’ll become GNATS once again either.
Id rather move a piece like Delgado for a pitcher under team control like Beckett over a month of Ryan Dempster. Boston is a toxic place to play and while Beckett isnt who he was with Florida, he could still provide value at the right price. Frank would have to get Boston to eat a ton of money though.
July 30th, 20129:51 am
First, the Nats have never experienced a stretch run where they’ve been contenders. They are, in other words, untested. (JeffR)
As opposed to the Braves who were tested last year. How’d that go? just saying.
And yes, Id much rather have Jon Lester over either Dempster or Beckett.
July 30th, 20129:53 am
Problem is that Beckett still has two years left, which makes it a sizeable risk. Does playing in Boston make his fastball go slower? Because that’s a big part of his problem. I think the Red Sox would rather keep him than pay him $10 million a year for 2 years to pitch somewhere else. I don’t think any team would touch him unless Boston threw that kind of money at them.
“I do find it interesting that the Braves went with Medlen instead of Delgado in the rotation for now.”
Thinking smokescreen. Makes no sense. With Minor pitching better you can live with Randall as a 5th starter. Meds is lights out in his current role.
Randall very well could be wearing a different Cap this week.
July 30th, 20129:54 am
Lew- Why would Boston do that. Eat the salary AND under sell? Get them Braves colored bifocals off my friend. You’re only seeing one side of the equation.
The Phillies’ run and the supposed upcoming Nats’ run are apples and oranges.
First, the Braves were declining while the Phillies were on the upswing. The Phils didn’t have a lot of competition in the division through their streak.
The Braves, certainly, and the Mets, quite possibly, have the nuclei and some key prospects to compete with the Nats moving afford.
I think the NL East is more likely to be highly competitive in coming seasons.
July 30th, 20129:55 am
richbrave – Yeah, Parkers is one of the best, although I know of a couple of places I like even better….but eastern NC style BBQ is all good.
July 30th, 20129:56 am
As I state on another blog, the Braves should steer way clear of Beckett. He is declining and a cancer in the clubhouse. Lester is a much more intriguing option. Otherwise, stick with Medlen and try to get a proven reliever to bolster the bullpen.
Shields and Johnson are staying put, so it makes sense that the Braves are going after a reliever. I think Dempster lands in LA before his start tomorrow. Makes too much sense.
I think the BRAVES need to see what they’ve got with MEDS, starter or long-relief while giving DELGADO more time to improve his game in AAA and dominate. Hopefully, anyway.
July 30th, 20129:57 am
I just don’t know why the Red Sox would trade Lester.
How much of the $37 million that he’s owed between now and the end of the 2014 season would the Red Sox need to cover for the negatives to be outweighed?
Huge point. He’s got the advantage of being controlled past this season, but he’s expensive and his FB velocity and K/9 decline are concerning. Boston would have to pick up a good chunk of that contract for Wren to even discuss it.
Nationals kick and scratch yesterday and win. Blow a 9 run lead against the Braves and somehow resilient and tough enough to win last two games of the series. Inexperience, haven’t been there, not buying that reasoning in regular season. Playoffs, well might rear it’s ugly head hopefully.
Nats have been the best team in the East for 4 straight months. Not going to cave in last two. Beat them in the playoffs, could be a little vulnerable there at least this year.
Not well. See my 9:48 am post.
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