Don’t get your hopes up on a trade except maybe something small like Xavier Nady who the Hard released …..Frank “STAND PAT “Wren will make sure of that
Did anybody read the sports vent today? They should change the name of it to take a shot at Uggla. To quote one, what is the difference between Dan Uggla and a deer caught in the headlights? The deer strikes out less.
Borrow the darned loot and buy Tex back….send Freeman, Uggla, Hayward and one TBA prospect to the Yanks for Tex, Cano, and Riveria…..Wren cano he made us all proud!
Hello everyone! My Prediction is Dempster will be a Brave, because Dodgers might not have a package. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dempster is a Brave after all.Think Dodgers will go after Shields…….
no idea ward. what I would like is a good bench bat like Hairston or Johnson and a good reliever
It would not surprise me too much to see them get less than that. kinda on par with last season perhaps. Hope not
i am severely crestfallen that i am not as dogmatic as some of the high status/long seniority blog folk seem to be and, it is improbable i will ever attain the rank of supreme blog enthusiast. my woeful imperfections and insolent temperament will win few hearts and minds. i understand eschewed as i am that a blog of squalor makes the robust throng rejoice in approval as a majority agenda unfolds more times than not.
A beat reporter for the Giants, Andrew Baggarly, reports: “KPIX-TV is reporting that the Giants have a “deal in place” for Hunter Pence, pending ownership approval.”
You are only coming thru in waves….your lips move; but I can’t hear what you’re saying……have to take a snooze…..the gist of it is you’re just better off if you lose. Goodnight and indeed sleep tight.
“BTW TEHERAN had a decent five+ innings this afternoon.”- richbrave
Box score says 5 walks in 5 innings. Only 2 strike outs. True, he only gave up one run, but it sounds like he was luckier than good. Am I the only one who fails to see why his value remains higher than Minor and Delgado? I remember an article in May about his back leg collapsing and screwing up the downward plane, making him easy to launch. Was that resolved? Anyone?
Well, guy’s all be cool! Just maybe there will be news in the morning? We can only hope………Peace my friends, and always good talking to all of you. “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tomorrow…….
So much for my “hunch” that the Phils are going to make a run. The Bravos just thoroughly dominated the Phils.
Hard to believe pitchers the caliber of Halladay and Lee could be subpar this season. That’s a lot of budget money for two pitchers who are producing next to nothing.
Reading about the train wreck that is up in Boston. Bobby V is irritating management, players, training staff. Of course Valentine is the smartest guy in the room. Any doubts just ask him. Of course its everyone’s fault but his. The training staff apparently tells Valentine that Crawford shouldn’t be out there because he is needing tommy john surgery. Valentine runs him out there. I remember the mess he would cause in the Met’s office.
yeah Phil, the guy has not won anything. I am not counting a japanese championship. I know some people briefly were saying hire him and fire Fredi. Chipper probably would have retired during spring training, unable to play for him. The training staff and management apparently are telling Valentine that Crawford needs days off because of the arm. He keeps trotting him out there. I saw the throw from left field to home by Crawford last night, and the poor guy was in pain after the throw.
“The Red Sox have made calls to the Braves and Rangers within the past 48 hours in an attempt to dump Josh Beckett, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. Passan adds that the Red Sox began talks with the Rangers and Braves because they believe Beckett would waive his 10-and-5 rights to play for either team. While the Dodgers have yet to receive a call on Beckett, they’re one team that could potentially be interested in the right-hander, according to Passan (all Twitter links)”.
Keep the beer and chicken out of the clubhouse….. get the Red Sox to pick up 10 mil of his contract the next couple of years (ala Lowe) and get the guy.
Everything I’ve heard and read is that Beckett needs some motivation and that its not a talent eroding issue.
Beckett was not a model citizen under Tito, but he did his job. He hates Valentine, like most in the organization do. Can’t fault him for that.
“He’s (Beckett) in the second year of a four-year contract that pays him $15.75MM annually. Passan notes in this fourth tweet that Beckett’s market is largely dependent on how much salary the Red Sox are willing to eat. He’s owed approximately $37.3MM over the remainder of the contract.”
That salary eating part would depend on the quality of the prospect returned for Beckett of course.
There is a lot of money still remaining on the Beckett contract. I think over 35m. The Sox would have to pick up a substantial amount. The talent is there without a doubt. Is the train wreck up in Boston the cause of his poor performance or is he not 100% healthy. That is my thought about josh johnson, I have a feeling we will be reading soon that Johnson is not 100%.
Apparently Rangers are turning their attention to a bat and relievers due to the high cost for a difference maker starter. Rangers saying they are not going to overpay for a starting pitcher. It sounds like the Braves and the Rangers have the same mindset and probably the right mindset.
I agree on Johnson. His reliability is always been a problem. I don’t see how any team can invest the asking price on Johnson knowing that he’s one pitch away from another surgery or extended trip to DL.
If I’m the Braves, I send them Delgado plus, then get the Red Sox to do the Derrick Lowe thing and eat 10 mil of Becketts contract for the next two years. Red Sox could justify picking up the salary due to the return they are getting.
Yes the Red Sox are a dumpster fire.
I think Beckett has at least a couple more good years ahead of him and if the Braves are only paying him 5-7 a year, I think it’s worth it.
Probably the worst thing that happened to the Redsox is that they won 2 of 3 to the yanks, giving them false hope that they are still in the wild card chase. They are only 4 games out but behind like 5 teams.
Even if the Red Sox believe they can come back this year, I still feel they want to move Beckett due to the conflicts with he and certain Red Sox personnel and the manager.
Jeff R – might be a lesson in Lee and Halladay for us and one that Wren has kept in mind….
With you, phil. I think the Delgado for Dempster deal would have been a mistake. I hope that possibility is deader than Dracula (with a stake in his heart).
For those who’ve been ragging on Minor, hard to argue that he hasn’t been trending in the right direction. The kid struggled early but has been figuring it out.
Delgado’s looked decent though he’s going through struggles typical of a young pitcher.
OK maybe I’m nuts but, I’d do a Delgado + lower prospect for Beckett trade, but I’d want the Sox to pay at least half what he’s owed. That would make us responsible for 7.875m a year for 2013 and 2014. Doubt the Sox would go for that though!
It’s kind of like moving Youkilis. Sure they had a guy playing third that was doing well which made it easy to move Youk, but Youk and some of the old guard wasn’t fitting in with Valentine. Youk has been rejuvenated by the trade. His production with the White Sox has been up. He homered 4 times and drove in 14 in 42 games with the RS. He has homered 6 times and drove in 22 in 28 games with the WS. I think Beckett would respond well to a change of scenery…. at least for a couple of years which is what is left of his contract.
I think the restraint that Wren showed over a Greinke acquisition was admirable. He wasn’t willing turn over key prospects for a pitcher who may or may not have signed with the Braves moving forward.
I think Beckett would benefit from coming to ATL less media and a better club house! Hell… I might be ok if we had to pay him 10 M per year.
He’s owed 31.5 for 2013 and 2014 if the sox ate 11.5 million we’d have to pay him 10 million a year for 2 years. Hell, we’re paying Lowe 10 million to pitch in Cleveland… I think Beckett is more than worth taking a chance on.
I don’t think the Angels overpaid for Greinke. But, I wouldn’t give up that type of package for too many other pitchers that are available…if any.
The Angels can give up good prospects because they have the budget to go buy talent. Not the same for the Braves. But if the Angels want to retain Greinke – and I think they will – they may have to give him a package similar to Hammels.
If the Braves can get another decent bat and solid arm for the bullpen, then, barring significant injuries, they are in good shape to stay in contention all the way to season’s end. Don’t believe the Braves acquire either Beckett or Dempster unless the trade is in their favor.
what does everyone think about this…. last two year of becketts contract calls for roughly 15-16 million a season…… Do you think the braves say we will take on all of his salary but not give you the great prospects in return for getting beckett…. If we traded delgado and a prospect for beckett!
How much of that has affected his performance I wonder
I think it’s his FB velo more than “personality conflicts”, whatever that means. His velo is down 2 MPH this year from all of his previous seasons. His K/9 rate is down significantly as well.
That said, his FIP and xFIP suggest he should be posting a better ERA than he has been this year. If the price is right, and Boston picks up some cash, I don’t think he’d be a back pickup. A couple of big if’s, though.
The Marlins are far more concerned about their club beyond 2013 as opposed to 2013 itself, executives who have inquired on Josh Johnson told Passan. Those sources say the Marlins plan to cut payroll next year, after this year’s franchise high. MLBTR
We’ll no S**t…. I don’t think anyone really thought that Loria was suddenly going to start spending money like crazy on his team!! Dude just wanted to sell some season tickets! I bet he was chomping at the bit for them to start losing so he could ship off some pieces to save money. I’ve always thought Miami had the worst baseball fans in the game, but who can blame them when you have to deal with this crap.
How in the world did the city of Miami get away with funding his new stadium?
That’s actually pretty good depth. No team in baseball has more than 7 players with 250 or more PAs and an OPS over .700. The D-Backs, Yankees, Rangers, and Twins all have seven along with Atlanta.
I remember an article in May about his back leg collapsing and screwing up the downward plane, making him easy to launch. Was that resolved? Anyone?
That may have been Rob Steingall you read. He did indeed focus on a collapsing back leg as part of Teheran’s problems. John Sickels thinks it might be an unreported or undiagnosed injury. Fifteen other guys think it might be fifteen other things.
That .900 OPS for Chipper looks mighty nice. It would be quite a feat, but if he were to maintain that OPS and get to 350 PAs, it would be his 12th such season. He would be the 18th player to collect that many .900 OPS season.
As a third baseman, it would be Chipper’s 10th .900 OPS season, one behind Michael Jack Schmidt for the most at the hot corner.
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It’s unlikely the Red Sox will trade Josh Beckett, after talking with a small handful of teams about him.
Pretty sure the Braves would want the Red Sox to eat more than half of his remaining salary. They will have to trade him this offseason. They can’t continue on with the circus in Boston.
I remember a couple of years ago people were wanting Chipper to hang it up so his career batting average wouldn’t dip below .300. It’s at .305 and rising now.
He’s okay – but it often times seems like he just scouts the stat line of a player. Just my two cents.
I wouldn’t much disagree with that, but he also doesn’t claim to have seen every high school, college, and minor league player in the universe, while preparing a tasty balsamic vinaigrette, either.
Lot of talk about pitching needs, and justifiably so, I think…however the Braves’ team ERA now stands at 3.90, which is the lowest it’s been since April 29th.
I wouldn’t much disagree with that, but he also doesn’t claim to have seen every high school, college, and minor league player in the universe, while preparing a tasty balsamic vinaigrette, either.
Beckett for a deal like we made for Renteria when the Red Sox didn’t want him anymore? Trade a prospect that won’t go anywhere and have them eat the salary?
but he also doesn’t claim to have seen every high school, college, and minor league player in the universe, while preparing a tasty balsamic vinaigrette, either.
Haven’t had a chance to go through all the posts after the game and through the morning but I was wondering if we can have a show of hands… How many people still believe the Phillies are a threat in the National League this season?
Maybe I haven’t read Sickels enough…..but I just don’t see this from him:
New York Mets right-hander Matt Harvey had top-of-the-rotation stuff on Thursday night in Arizona, with a plus fastball and slider combination that carved up Arizona Diamondbacks hitters. He was 94-98 mph for five innings with some arm-side run, hard enough to get it by hitters even though the pitch lacks any sink or downhill plane. The slider was toxic at 87-91 mph, a grade-70 pitch pretty much all outing, shorter like a cutter and breaking very late. He threw it down and in to left-handers in lieu of his changeup, which was solid at 87-89 mph with good arm speed but which he barely used.
He was casting his curveball early in the game but did throw several sharper ones, all 83-85 mph and when it was on, it was not only tough to hit but a pitch he could also throw for strikes. I’ve never seen Harvey throw this hard or with a slider this sharp, so he may have just been amped up for his first big league start, but if this is the ‘new’ Matt Harvey, Mets fans should be even more excited than they were before.
Harvey’s delivery, a major weakness of his before his junior year in college, is even cleaner now than it was when he was drafted. He stays over the rubber longer than he did then, still gets out over his front side very well and gets his arm, always quick, into perfect position when his front foot lands. He did lose his arm slot in the sixth inning on Thursday and was no longer able to command the fastball, which the Mets’ coaching staff picked up on pretty quickly, letting him face one more right-handed batter before pulling him.
And Law could just be stealing that from a scout who was also in attendance that day. But I just never see this stuff from Sickels….and not really from Goldstein either. At least Keith is attempting….giving it a shot, no?
I would ask the Red Sox to eat at least a third of the 31.5 million. At least….
Now, that’s just being greedy, LOL. I see nothing wrong with skimping on the trade package and paying more for the guy. They have money off the books, so, if not 2013, then when? The days of a Tim Hudson willing to pitch for under market value are as rare as hens’ teeth. Braves are gonna have to pay somebody, sometime.
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Venice Jim
July 29th, 2012
11:50 pm
Peter Moylan @PeterMoylan
Night guys. Enjoy the coverage of the #Olympics. Oh and not to be out done the @braves sweep. Life is good. Yakkity
Is that Australian for yickety?
UNCBrave
July 29th, 2012
11:53 pm
Don’t get your hopes up on a trade except maybe something small like Xavier Nady who the Hard released …..Frank “STAND PAT “Wren will make sure of that
Venice Jim
July 29th, 2012
11:56 pm
Come on, Frank – give players away to make bloggers happy!
Venice Jim
July 29th, 2012
11:58 pm
I kid because…well, that’s what I do…
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
12:02 am
Trade Freeman and Prado for King Felix!!!!
Venice Jim
July 30th, 2012
12:11 am
OBF – get serious- include JJ – they need someone to replace him in the rotation…
Bobby H
July 30th, 2012
12:12 am
Come on, Frank – give players away to make bloggers happy! — Venice Jim
Right, VJ. Wren should make any deal he can… just so he made a deal. To hell with the cost to the Braves future. Just keep the trolls happy!
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
12:19 am
Prado can pitch….
Venice Jim
July 30th, 2012
12:20 am
Ambidextrously…
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
12:22 am
throw in Flande then
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 30th, 2012
12:23 am
I’m off to bed guys. Take care VJ.
ACE
July 30th, 2012
12:27 am
Did anybody read the sports vent today? They should change the name of it to take a shot at Uggla. To quote one, what is the difference between Dan Uggla and a deer caught in the headlights? The deer strikes out less.
Capt.Mudd
July 30th, 2012
12:28 am
Borrow the darned loot and buy Tex back….send Freeman, Uggla, Hayward and one TBA prospect to the Yanks for Tex, Cano, and Riveria…..Wren cano he made us all proud!
Ward
July 30th, 2012
12:29 am
Hello everyone! My Prediction is Dempster will be a Brave, because Dodgers might not have a package. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dempster is a Brave after all.Think Dodgers will go after Shields…….
Venice Jim
July 30th, 2012
12:30 am
I am moving on…
Capt.Mudd
July 30th, 2012
12:31 am
Dementia bad after 12:30 am EST:::::::::::::::Heyward::::::::::::::::::/
Capt.Mudd
July 30th, 2012
12:33 am
The Ventura Highway?
nolie
July 30th, 2012
12:42 am
good baseball weekend for the bravos
Ward
July 30th, 2012
12:48 am
nolie – Whats your prediction on the trades?
ChattTownBrian
July 30th, 2012
12:49 am
Trade for Corriea!
Ward
July 30th, 2012
12:50 am
Chatt – What are your predictions?
nolie
July 30th, 2012
12:51 am
no idea ward. what I would like is a good bench bat like Hairston or Johnson and a good reliever
It would not surprise me too much to see them get less than that. kinda on par with last season perhaps. Hope not
nolie
July 30th, 2012
12:52 am
Correia? God I hope not
Bobby H
July 30th, 2012
12:52 am
Do I detect a bit of negativity from nolie?
Ward
July 30th, 2012
12:55 am
nolie – After seeing Hairstons’ numbers. I lthink he’s a solid a player. I’m for that, and wouldn’t mind Johnson either.
Capt.Mudd
July 30th, 2012
1:01 am
i am severely crestfallen that i am not as dogmatic as some of the high status/long seniority blog folk seem to be and, it is improbable i will ever attain the rank of supreme blog enthusiast. my woeful imperfections and insolent temperament will win few hearts and minds. i understand eschewed as i am that a blog of squalor makes the robust throng rejoice in approval as a majority agenda unfolds more times than not.
nolie
July 30th, 2012
1:01 am
I don’t know about negativity. Frank doesn’t really have a history of big additions at deadline time for the most part
nolie
July 30th, 2012
1:03 am
care to rephrase that in language most of us dummies can understand, Capt????
Bobby H
July 30th, 2012
1:06 am
A beat reporter for the Giants, Andrew Baggarly, reports: “KPIX-TV is reporting that the Giants have a “deal in place” for Hunter Pence, pending ownership approval.”
nolie
July 30th, 2012
1:07 am
Pence? that will make them tougher, though his numbers will likely go down some
Bobby H
July 30th, 2012
1:09 am
care to rephrase that in language most of us dummies can understand, Capt???? — nolie
I think the Capt. is practicing for his run for office…
Ward
July 30th, 2012
1:11 am
I heard about Pence, and that would make the Giants tougher too.
Capt.Mudd
July 30th, 2012
1:12 am
You are only coming thru in waves….your lips move; but I can’t hear what you’re saying……have to take a snooze…..the gist of it is you’re just better off if you lose. Goodnight and indeed sleep tight.
Ward
July 30th, 2012
1:13 am
Capt. – Are you running for ship mate? little humor……
Bobby H
July 30th, 2012
1:14 am
Have a good snooze, Capt.Mudd.
nolie
July 30th, 2012
1:14 am
Ol’ Cap’ flaunting his Insouciance tonight
nolie
July 30th, 2012
1:15 am
i’m off, y’all take care
Bobby H
July 30th, 2012
1:25 am
Ol’ Cap’ flaunting his Insouciance tonight — nolie
The Capt. struck me as being apathetic, too.
‘Nite…
Bubsaget
July 30th, 2012
2:32 am
“BTW TEHERAN had a decent five+ innings this afternoon.”- richbrave
Box score says 5 walks in 5 innings. Only 2 strike outs. True, he only gave up one run, but it sounds like he was luckier than good. Am I the only one who fails to see why his value remains higher than Minor and Delgado? I remember an article in May about his back leg collapsing and screwing up the downward plane, making him easy to launch. Was that resolved? Anyone?
ab initio
July 30th, 2012
3:02 am
I wonder if Dyson is worried that Uggla, with a hose attachment, spells doom for their product line..
Ward
July 30th, 2012
4:04 am
Well, guy’s all be cool! Just maybe there will be news in the morning? We can only hope………Peace my friends, and always good talking to all of you. “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tomorrow…….
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
7:05 am
So much for my “hunch” that the Phils are going to make a run. The Bravos just thoroughly dominated the Phils.
Hard to believe pitchers the caliber of Halladay and Lee could be subpar this season. That’s a lot of budget money for two pitchers who are producing next to nothing.
Ray
July 30th, 2012
7:18 am
Reading about the train wreck that is up in Boston. Bobby V is irritating management, players, training staff. Of course Valentine is the smartest guy in the room. Any doubts just ask him. Of course its everyone’s fault but his. The training staff apparently tells Valentine that Crawford shouldn’t be out there because he is needing tommy john surgery. Valentine runs him out there. I remember the mess he would cause in the Met’s office.
phil
July 30th, 2012
7:29 am
I don’t know what the Red Sux were thinking when they hired Valentine…
The guy is more arrogant, for less reason, than any manager I’ve ever seen. At least LaRussa had a tendency to win and kick some butt, ya know?
Valentine wrecks everything he touches. He’ll be gone soon enough.
BravesFanInMaine
July 30th, 2012
7:30 am
Great way to start off a monday is with a sweep of the phillys…… now Lets win today and end that drought….. GO BRAVES!!
phil
July 30th, 2012
7:31 am
Jeff R – might be a lesson in Lee and Halladay for us and one that Wren has kept in mind….
Do you trade up and comers for older, established pitchers and run the risk that they tank?
Glad it’s not up to me. Tough job for sure.
richbrave
July 30th, 2012
7:33 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
GWINNETT
G-Men lose a close one in late-innings relief 2-3.
RHSP JULIO TEHERAN [5.16 ERA] 5.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R/ER, 5 BB, 2 SO.
LHRP DUSTIN HUGHES [H 4, 3.73 ERA] 1.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 1 BB, 1 SO.
LHRP COLE McCURRY [H 2, 4.67 ERA] 1.0 IP, no-hits, 1 SO.
RHRP ANTHONY VARVARO [BS 1, L 0-12, 3.21 ERA] 1.1 IP, 3 H, 2 R/ER, 2 BB, 2 SO.
RHRP ‘AussieANDY’ RUSSELL [3.00 ERA] 0.0 IP, 1 H, blanks.
ANDY’s been struggling to get a grip on AAA so far. He allows the hit that plates two inherited runners, and that’s the old ball game.
1B ERNIE MEJIA [.307 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR [22], 1 RBI [75], 1 BB.
LF STEF GARTRELL [.267 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR [16], 1 RBI [43], 1 BB, 1 SO.
RF FELIX PIE [.296 BA] 1-4, 1 SB [12].
C JC BOSCAN [.198 BA] 1-2, 1 BB.
Ray
July 30th, 2012
7:41 am
yeah Phil, the guy has not won anything. I am not counting a japanese championship. I know some people briefly were saying hire him and fire Fredi. Chipper probably would have retired during spring training, unable to play for him. The training staff and management apparently are telling Valentine that Crawford needs days off because of the arm. He keeps trotting him out there. I saw the throw from left field to home by Crawford last night, and the poor guy was in pain after the throw.
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
7:43 am
“The Red Sox have made calls to the Braves and Rangers within the past 48 hours in an attempt to dump Josh Beckett, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. Passan adds that the Red Sox began talks with the Rangers and Braves because they believe Beckett would waive his 10-and-5 rights to play for either team. While the Dodgers have yet to receive a call on Beckett, they’re one team that could potentially be interested in the right-hander, according to Passan (all Twitter links)”.
Keep the beer and chicken out of the clubhouse….. get the Red Sox to pick up 10 mil of his contract the next couple of years (ala Lowe) and get the guy.
Everything I’ve heard and read is that Beckett needs some motivation and that its not a talent eroding issue.
Beckett was not a model citizen under Tito, but he did his job. He hates Valentine, like most in the organization do. Can’t fault him for that.
richbrave
July 30th, 2012
7:45 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
The Bandits fail to eat BISCUITS for dinner 2-5.
DH ‘Big Jim’ GATTIS [.288 BA] 2-4, 1 SO.
This game marks the return of EVAN to the pirate ship after four warm-ups in ORLANDO.
Lead-off CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.322 BA] 2-4, 2 R, 1 2B [17], 1 SB [16], 1 SO.
1B JOE TERDO [.308 BA] 1-3, 1 2B [16], 1 RBI [26], 1 SF,1 SO.
RF KEENAN WILEY [.249 BA] 1-3, 1 2B [14], 2 SO.
LHS/RP BRENT LEACH [L 0-3, 2.63 ERA] 6.0 IP, 8 H, 1 HR, 4 R/ER, 3 BB, 2 SO.
RHRP MARK LAMM [3.86 ERA] 2.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R/ER.
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
7:45 am
“He’s (Beckett) in the second year of a four-year contract that pays him $15.75MM annually. Passan notes in this fourth tweet that Beckett’s market is largely dependent on how much salary the Red Sox are willing to eat. He’s owed approximately $37.3MM over the remainder of the contract.”
That salary eating part would depend on the quality of the prospect returned for Beckett of course.
Ray
July 30th, 2012
7:49 am
There is a lot of money still remaining on the Beckett contract. I think over 35m. The Sox would have to pick up a substantial amount. The talent is there without a doubt. Is the train wreck up in Boston the cause of his poor performance or is he not 100% healthy. That is my thought about josh johnson, I have a feeling we will be reading soon that Johnson is not 100%.
Ray
July 30th, 2012
7:51 am
I am guessing, in that conversation with the Redsox, Wren is asking how much of the contract they will keep.
Ray
July 30th, 2012
7:55 am
Apparently Rangers are turning their attention to a bat and relievers due to the high cost for a difference maker starter. Rangers saying they are not going to overpay for a starting pitcher. It sounds like the Braves and the Rangers have the same mindset and probably the right mindset.
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
7:56 am
I agree on Johnson. His reliability is always been a problem. I don’t see how any team can invest the asking price on Johnson knowing that he’s one pitch away from another surgery or extended trip to DL.
If I’m the Braves, I send them Delgado plus, then get the Red Sox to do the Derrick Lowe thing and eat 10 mil of Becketts contract for the next two years. Red Sox could justify picking up the salary due to the return they are getting.
Yes the Red Sox are a dumpster fire.
I think Beckett has at least a couple more good years ahead of him and if the Braves are only paying him 5-7 a year, I think it’s worth it.
Ray
July 30th, 2012
7:59 am
Probably the worst thing that happened to the Redsox is that they won 2 of 3 to the yanks, giving them false hope that they are still in the wild card chase. They are only 4 games out but behind like 5 teams.
richbrave
July 30th, 2012
8:08 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
LYNCHBURG
‘CATS win big 9-3 over the RED SOX.
LF DAN BREWER [.324 BA] 4-5, 2 R, 1 2B [3], 1 3B [1], 1 HR [1], 3 RBI [4], 1 CS [2], 1 SO.
DAN the man bombs away as he hits for the cycle…..KUDOS.
RF BOBBY STEVENS [.249 BA] 3-4, 2 R, 1 2B [11], 1 HR [8], 2 RBI [23], 1 SO.
SS NICK AHMED [.273 BA] 1-5, 1 R, 1 SO.
3B ED SALCEDO [.256 BA] 1-5, 1 R, 1 2B [21], HAT TRICK!
DH ADAM MILLIGAN [.237 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR [11], 2 RBI [36], 1 BB, 2 SO.
1B CHRIS GARCIA [.295 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR [9], 1 RBI [46], 1 SO.
RHSP CODY MARTIN [W 11-7, 3.02 ERA] 7.0 IP, 1 H. zeros, 1 BB, 9 SO.
CODY continues to improve on the bump. A sure-fire GWINNETT starter next season.
RHRP RYNE HARPER [2.19 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 BB.
LHRP MATT CHAFFEE [4.47 ERA] 1.0 IP, 3 H, 3 HR, 3 R/ER, 0 BB, 0 SO.
Three HR’s but nothing else…..jeeze
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
8:10 am
Even if the Red Sox believe they can come back this year, I still feel they want to move Beckett due to the conflicts with he and certain Red Sox personnel and the manager.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
8:11 am
Jeff R – might be a lesson in Lee and Halladay for us and one that Wren has kept in mind….
With you, phil. I think the Delgado for Dempster deal would have been a mistake. I hope that possibility is deader than Dracula (with a stake in his heart).
For those who’ve been ragging on Minor, hard to argue that he hasn’t been trending in the right direction. The kid struggled early but has been figuring it out.
Delgado’s looked decent though he’s going through struggles typical of a young pitcher.
BravesFanInMaine
July 30th, 2012
8:14 am
I ragged on minor alot but I am seeing that this kid has alot of potential….. !!!!!
CrαZy
July 30th, 2012
8:14 am
OK maybe I’m nuts but, I’d do a Delgado + lower prospect for Beckett trade, but I’d want the Sox to pay at least half what he’s owed. That would make us responsible for 7.875m a year for 2013 and 2014. Doubt the Sox would go for that though!
CrαZy
July 30th, 2012
8:16 am
I still feel they want to move Beckett due to the conflicts with he and certain Red Sox personnel and the manager.
How much of that has affected his performance I wonder…
Jepster38
July 30th, 2012
8:17 am
It’s kind of like moving Youkilis. Sure they had a guy playing third that was doing well which made it easy to move Youk, but Youk and some of the old guard wasn’t fitting in with Valentine. Youk has been rejuvenated by the trade. His production with the White Sox has been up. He homered 4 times and drove in 14 in 42 games with the RS. He has homered 6 times and drove in 22 in 28 games with the WS. I think Beckett would respond well to a change of scenery…. at least for a couple of years which is what is left of his contract.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
8:18 am
I think the restraint that Wren showed over a Greinke acquisition was admirable. He wasn’t willing turn over key prospects for a pitcher who may or may not have signed with the Braves moving forward.
JasonInFL
July 30th, 2012
8:19 am
I don’t think the Angels overpaid for Greinke. But, I wouldn’t give up that type of package for too many other pitchers that are available…if any.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
8:20 am
HUGE HUGE!!! Statement Series SWEEP of the Phillies
SOMEONE CALL 911!!!
We Just Put a Fatality on the Phillies Season, Shyt was AWESOME, I LOVED IT
We Just Showed those Phillies Fans KARMA For Mocking the Chop Twice last year at CBP
How SWEEP it Is!
CrαZy
July 30th, 2012
8:23 am
I think Beckett would benefit from coming to ATL less media and a better club house! Hell… I might be ok if we had to pay him 10 M per year.
He’s owed 31.5 for 2013 and 2014 if the sox ate 11.5 million we’d have to pay him 10 million a year for 2 years. Hell, we’re paying Lowe 10 million to pitch in Cleveland… I think Beckett is more than worth taking a chance on.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2012
8:24 am
I don’t think the Angels overpaid for Greinke. But, I wouldn’t give up that type of package for too many other pitchers that are available…if any.
The Angels can give up good prospects because they have the budget to go buy talent. Not the same for the Braves. But if the Angels want to retain Greinke – and I think they will – they may have to give him a package similar to Hammels.
I wouldn’t give Greinke that sort of money.
JoeFan
July 30th, 2012
8:27 am
If the Braves can get another decent bat and solid arm for the bullpen, then, barring significant injuries, they are in good shape to stay in contention all the way to season’s end. Don’t believe the Braves acquire either Beckett or Dempster unless the trade is in their favor.
BravesFanInMaine
July 30th, 2012
8:27 am
what does everyone think about this…. last two year of becketts contract calls for roughly 15-16 million a season…… Do you think the braves say we will take on all of his salary but not give you the great prospects in return for getting beckett…. If we traded delgado and a prospect for beckett!
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2012
8:29 am
How much of that has affected his performance I wonder
I think it’s his FB velo more than “personality conflicts”, whatever that means. His velo is down 2 MPH this year from all of his previous seasons. His K/9 rate is down significantly as well.
That said, his FIP and xFIP suggest he should be posting a better ERA than he has been this year. If the price is right, and Boston picks up some cash, I don’t think he’d be a back pickup. A couple of big if’s, though.
Tomahawkin
July 30th, 2012
8:31 am
I am Damn Near Getting Death Threats on the Philly.com/phillies forum
lol
richbrave
July 30th, 2012
8:32 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
ROME
The Legion squash insects all afternoon long 6-2.
LHSP ALEX WOOD [W 1-2, 1.80 ERA] 5.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 2 SO.
The rookie second-rounder gets his first win in A-ball.
RHRP NAVARY MOORE [H 1, 4.15 ERA] 3.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R/ER, 2 BB, 0 SO.
NAVARY’s been spinning his wheels a bit, but has an excellent stint in middle relief this time.
RHRP NAT HYATT [2.08 ERA] 1.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 1 SO.
The rookie’s enjoying his promo from DANVILLE after three games in ROME.
Rookie 2B ROSS HEFFLEY [.302 BA] 2-3, 1 2B [10], 1 RBI [13], 1 BB.
SS ELMER REYES [.267 BA] 2-3, 1 R, 1 2B [23]. 1 RBI [31], 1 CS [5].
LF CHASE ANSELMENT [.222 BA] 2-3, 3 R, 2 HR [4], 3 RBI [10], 1 BB.
Break-out game for the rookie??
3B BRANDON DRURY [.220 BA] 2-4, 1 R, 1 3B [1], 1 RBI [33], 1 SO.
DH ROBBY HEFFLINGER [.259 BA] 1-4, 1 R, HAT TRICK!
C RYAN QUERY [.200 BA] 1-4.
RF WIL SKINNER [.248 BA] 1-4.
CrαZy
July 30th, 2012
8:33 am
The Marlins are far more concerned about their club beyond 2013 as opposed to 2013 itself, executives who have inquired on Josh Johnson told Passan. Those sources say the Marlins plan to cut payroll next year, after this year’s franchise high. MLBTR
We’ll no S**t…. I don’t think anyone really thought that Loria was suddenly going to start spending money like crazy on his team!! Dude just wanted to sell some season tickets! I bet he was chomping at the bit for them to start losing so he could ship off some pieces to save money. I’ve always thought Miami had the worst baseball fans in the game, but who can blame them when you have to deal with this crap.
How in the world did the city of Miami get away with funding his new stadium?
richbrave
July 30th, 2012
8:37 am
CraZy:
Thanx for the offer, but we’re arranging a sit-down with B.J. and JUSTIN UPTON’s parents to try and get a handle on this pro thing.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
8:38 am
The Braves have seven players with 250 or more PAs…one at every position except SS. Here is how those 7 regulars rank in OPS now:
1. Chipper – .901
2. Heyward – .825
3. Freeman – .795
4. Prado – .787
5. Bourn – .781
6. McCann – .755
7. Uggla – .711
That’s actually pretty good depth. No team in baseball has more than 7 players with 250 or more PAs and an OPS over .700. The D-Backs, Yankees, Rangers, and Twins all have seven along with Atlanta.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
8:40 am
I remember an article in May about his back leg collapsing and screwing up the downward plane, making him easy to launch. Was that resolved? Anyone?
That may have been Rob Steingall you read. He did indeed focus on a collapsing back leg as part of Teheran’s problems. John Sickels thinks it might be an unreported or undiagnosed injury. Fifteen other guys think it might be fifteen other things.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
8:40 am
Heyward at .261/.355/.413 in 107 July plate appearances.
And he’s starting to heat up again, in his last 10 games, Heyward is hitting .270/.391/.486 in 46 plate appearances.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
8:44 am
What’s everyones thoughts on Sickels? He’s okay – but it often times seems like he just scouts the stat line of a player. Just my two cents.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
8:45 am
That .900 OPS for Chipper looks mighty nice. It would be quite a feat, but if he were to maintain that OPS and get to 350 PAs, it would be his 12th such season. He would be the 18th player to collect that many .900 OPS season.
As a third baseman, it would be Chipper’s 10th .900 OPS season, one behind Michael Jack Schmidt for the most at the hot corner.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
8:45 am
I think Beckett would benefit from coming to ATL less media and a better club house! Hell… I might be ok if we had to pay him 10 M per year.
Ii doubt that any othe FA pitchers this offseason (worth having) are going to be any cheaper than that, so why not?
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
8:46 am
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
It’s unlikely the Red Sox will trade Josh Beckett, after talking with a small handful of teams about him.
Pretty sure the Braves would want the Red Sox to eat more than half of his remaining salary. They will have to trade him this offseason. They can’t continue on with the circus in Boston.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
8:47 am
I remember a couple of years ago people were wanting Chipper to hang it up so his career batting average wouldn’t dip below .300. It’s at .305 and rising now.
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
8:47 am
He’s okay – but it often times seems like he just scouts the stat line of a player. Just my two cents.
I wouldn’t much disagree with that, but he also doesn’t claim to have seen every high school, college, and minor league player in the universe, while preparing a tasty balsamic vinaigrette, either.
CB
July 30th, 2012
8:48 am
Yep, get Beckett if the price is reasonable. He needs to get out of Boston before they send him out on a rail.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
8:50 am
Lot of talk about pitching needs, and justifiably so, I think…however the Braves’ team ERA now stands at 3.90, which is the lowest it’s been since April 29th.
They have a 3.55 team ERA since June 1st.
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2012
8:50 am
I wouldn’t much disagree with that, but he also doesn’t claim to have seen every high school, college, and minor league player in the universe, while preparing a tasty balsamic vinaigrette, either.
Ha! Well done.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
8:51 am
I believe Beckett is owed 15.75 million per year through 2014 – I would ask the Red Sox to eat at least a third of the 31.5 million. At least….
And a switch to the NL from the AL East is going to help him. Look at A.J. Burnett(although the NL Central is really bad.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
8:52 am
What’s everyones thoughts on [Keith Law]? He’s okay – but it often times seems like he just scouts the stat line of a player. Just my two cents.
Lew
July 30th, 2012
8:52 am
Beckett for a deal like we made for Renteria when the Red Sox didn’t want him anymore? Trade a prospect that won’t go anywhere and have them eat the salary?
Now Beckett at $5 mil a year might be a deal.
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
8:52 am
but he also doesn’t claim to have seen every high school, college, and minor league player in the universe, while preparing a tasty balsamic vinaigrette, either.
Very true.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
8:53 am
Haven’t had a chance to go through all the posts after the game and through the morning but I was wondering if we can have a show of hands… How many people still believe the Phillies are a threat in the National League this season?
CrαZy
July 30th, 2012
8:53 am
They can’t continue on with the circus in Boston.
Then why don’t they get rid of the circus (Bobby V)?
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
8:53 am
while preparing a tasty balsamic vinaigrette, either
Zing! IBKL
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
8:53 am
How many people still believe the Phillies are a threat in the National League this season?
No.
TennesseePaul
July 30th, 2012
8:54 am
BrianSC, it was amusing to read those posts before the series, curious to see how many will still own up to that thought after the fact.
Brian from SC
July 30th, 2012
8:56 am
And even less so in the next couple of days, as they trade off Victorino and maybe Pence.
CrαZy
July 30th, 2012
8:56 am
How many times was it the great Howard K’ed? 8 times in the series?
Efrim
July 30th, 2012
8:57 am
What’s everyones thoughts on [Keith Law]?
Hah!
Maybe I haven’t read Sickels enough…..but I just don’t see this from him:
New York Mets right-hander Matt Harvey had top-of-the-rotation stuff on Thursday night in Arizona, with a plus fastball and slider combination that carved up Arizona Diamondbacks hitters. He was 94-98 mph for five innings with some arm-side run, hard enough to get it by hitters even though the pitch lacks any sink or downhill plane. The slider was toxic at 87-91 mph, a grade-70 pitch pretty much all outing, shorter like a cutter and breaking very late. He threw it down and in to left-handers in lieu of his changeup, which was solid at 87-89 mph with good arm speed but which he barely used.
He was casting his curveball early in the game but did throw several sharper ones, all 83-85 mph and when it was on, it was not only tough to hit but a pitch he could also throw for strikes. I’ve never seen Harvey throw this hard or with a slider this sharp, so he may have just been amped up for his first big league start, but if this is the ‘new’ Matt Harvey, Mets fans should be even more excited than they were before.
Harvey’s delivery, a major weakness of his before his junior year in college, is even cleaner now than it was when he was drafted. He stays over the rubber longer than he did then, still gets out over his front side very well and gets his arm, always quick, into perfect position when his front foot lands. He did lose his arm slot in the sixth inning on Thursday and was no longer able to command the fastball, which the Mets’ coaching staff picked up on pretty quickly, letting him face one more right-handed batter before pulling him.
And Law could just be stealing that from a scout who was also in attendance that day. But I just never see this stuff from Sickels….and not really from Goldstein either. At least Keith is attempting….giving it a shot, no?
ncscoots
July 30th, 2012
8:58 am
I would ask the Red Sox to eat at least a third of the 31.5 million. At least….
Now, that’s just being greedy, LOL. I see nothing wrong with skimping on the trade package and paying more for the guy. They have money off the books, so, if not 2013, then when? The days of a Tim Hudson willing to pitch for under market value are as rare as hens’ teeth. Braves are gonna have to pay somebody, sometime.