TuffShhhtuff – There have only ever been 3 Vizcaínos to make it to MLB (according to Baseball-Reference). None are currently there unless you want to count our own Arodys, who is on the DL.
The others were José (who I remember as a Cub when I started watching sports) and Luis.
I like what Glavine said last inning ” we need to be patient with the young pitchers ” what if we had given up on Glavine and Smoltz… Can someone tell me what their record and era was in the first two years ?
To this day it amazes me how Reyes could reject the tuteledge of HOF guys like Glavine and Smoltz.
Too much to think about????? Well, welcome to the majors. That sounds to me like a lack of work ethic. Anyway, look where Reyes is now, and he never will be a good MLB pitcher, will struggle in the minors till teams realize he just does not have it.
And the guy really did have physical ability and stuff.
big o – I like what Glavine said last inning ” we need to be patient with the young pitchers ” what if we had given up on Glavine and Smoltz… Can someone tell me what their record and era was in the first two years ?
GARBAGE, that’s what!
Actually, Smoltz went 2-7 and then 12-11 in ‘88 and ‘89. Glavine went 2-4 in ‘87 and 7-17 (led the league in losses) in ‘88.
Thanks for agreeing with something I’ve said before but got flamed for.
Minor is impressive so far this start – definitely learning this season – still a good pitch count – hitting his spots and containing the Phillies – rest that bullpen, don’t need JJ coming in for a hold anytime soon!
Smoltz and Glavine were both good in 1989, note that Smoltz made the All-Star game in 89 with a bad Braves team.
Glav fell back a little in 90, but in 91 Tommy took off.
Smoltz got confident in the middle of 91, turned his yr around and the rest is history. Smoltz battled more injury and was hampered in 94, part of 98 and late in 99 than had the surgery that kept him out in 2000. Then he became the closer for 3 and a half yrs and once again a strong starter for 3 more.
I thought in a way that 98 was nearly as good as his 24 win CY Young award yr of 96, but he started the yr on the DL, was 17-3 with good peripheral numbers, imagine what they would have been with a completely healthy yr.
Glavine could run it up there in the low 90s. He could spot his FB and change though.
Another thing about Glavine that some do not like to admit was Glavine got a lot of calls that were off the plate. He lived out of the zone and umps called it.
Quality starts from both pitchers – we need some good defense this inning. Might want to get someone loose in the pen, just in case. Minor only has 73 pitches, but we’re getting into uncharted territory for him.
I lived in Athens and would come over for games when Glavine, Maddux etc were there. I would always try to come when Maddux was pitching because I got home about 30 minutes earlier. Glavive would throw 125 pitches with 50 of them being 2 – 3 inches off the plate. Some he got some he didn’t but there were a lot of 3 hr games where sometimes you got out of a Maddux game after 2:15.
He’s pitched well to Howard all three at bats – same sequences – same locations. If it works, why change it? Make the batter adjust – good work by Minor.
JC Brave – It’s one thing to be owned. It’s another thing to be owned AND beaten.
Mark – Zones were much wider back in the day, it seems. Glavine’s name is brought up the most because he was easily the most successful at living out there on the edge. Unless you want to discuss the Eric Gregg debacle of 1997…
Call me crazy, BUT if the Braves are looking for a guy who can give 8-10 quality starts as a rental, look no further than KEVIN MILLWOOD of Seattle!
The former Brave is a VETERAN, 3.90 ERA this year on a bad team, and would be VERY CHEAP (salary is only $1M-$1.5M range for 2012 season)! And, Braves would not have to trade any big-time prospects to get him.
Braves would get a reliable arm for this year, and still keep the ‘live’ arms for 2013 and beyond.
In thinking of trade deadline deals, compare what Frank gave up for Michael with what Philly gave up for Pence. I haven’t kept up with the players traded in each deal, but at the time at least, Frank did a heck of a job there.
@Lag … I know dude… If we cant get a pitcher I say lets ride with what we got… Uggla is gonna hit so what we win 8-7. Yall see what Minor is doing… How many wanted to run him off 2 weeks ago ? I dont think we have seen the best of Hansen either….
Minor pitching a gem – 88 pitches – he might be done, he’s done all he can to give his team a chance to win – really only two questionable pitches that I noticed and the HR was one of them – missed by 3 inches. Fantastic and good time for it to come together for him and the Braves.
Future Shock
Teams That Could Have a Tough Time Trading
I was talking to a front office executive last week who was lamenting the disappointing season of a certain highly regarded prospect in the system. He’s the kind of prospect who could have helped his team put together an attractive trade package, but not anymore. It’s important to keep in mind that prospects serve two purposes for an organization. The first, obviously, is to produce at the big-league level for the parent team. The second, and equally important purpose at this time of year is to acquire big-league talent for a playoff run. With that in mind, here are some players whom their parent clubs wish were in a different place as they try to get deals done.
Atlanta Braves: Just One Stud
There are trade targets, and then there’s Zack Greinke. While Greinke isn’t definitely available, it’s certain that no trade for him can happen without the Brewers being able to acquire a top-flight prospect in return. That puts the Braves in a bit of a bind. While they have some depth in their system, right-hander Julio Teheran is their only stud, and he’s had an off year while continuing to struggle to find some consistency with his breaking ball. Despite an ERA approaching five at Triple-A Gwinnett, he still has the potential to be a front-line starter, but the Braves don’t want to trade their only top-notch prospect, especially when his value has been reduced by the tough year. By all accounts, Atlanta is in on Greinke, but it’s hard to see them being able to compete with the more attractive packages that a team like the Rangers can offer.
No Philly belongs in a Braves uniform. They deserve more respect than that. Now that I mention it, has any Philly ever graced a Braves’ uni immediately after leaving the Phils? I don’t recall one. Would have had to be a pitcher.
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ChattTownBrian
July 28th, 2012
8:10 pm
McCann sux.
David O'Brien
July 28th, 2012
8:10 pm
Utley homered on a 1-2 changeup, the pitch #Braves Minor has thrown on too many of 22 homers this season and which he stopped relying upon as much
LAG
July 28th, 2012
8:11 pm
TuffShhhtuff – There have only ever been 3 Vizcaínos to make it to MLB (according to Baseball-Reference). None are currently there unless you want to count our own Arodys, who is on the DL.
The others were José (who I remember as a Cub when I started watching sports) and Luis.
ChattTownBrian
July 28th, 2012
8:11 pm
Medlen to the ROTATION! They’re announcing it now! WOW I didn’t know! GREAT news!
UNCBrave
July 28th, 2012
8:12 pm
Why would UGGLA swing at an ankle high pitch with a 2-0 count? Take a strike…Jeez
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:13 pm
Yawn….
Bama Brave
July 28th, 2012
8:14 pm
They Need To Keep Medlen In The Pin!
ChattTownBrian
July 28th, 2012
8:14 pm
Uggla is stubborn.
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:15 pm
def-con inning coming up
big o
July 28th, 2012
8:15 pm
I like what Glavine said last inning ” we need to be patient with the young pitchers ” what if we had given up on Glavine and Smoltz… Can someone tell me what their record and era was in the first two years ?
ChattTownBrian
July 28th, 2012
8:16 pm
Well take a nap nolie. Ya know I’ve learned when I’m sleepy I just take a nap and don’t fight it. Who cares.
MIBravesFan
July 28th, 2012
8:16 pm
Nice catch, Danny!
Tina
July 28th, 2012
8:16 pm
Uggla is a piece of crap that should be out of the line-up.
Efrim
July 28th, 2012
8:17 pm
Christian Bethancourt with his 2nd home run of the season tonight for Mississippi.
Disgusted
July 28th, 2012
8:17 pm
Minor is so much smarter and mentally tougher than Ho Ho Reybumb its not funny.
Reyes had as much physical ability and stuff, but in terms of a mind for the game, comparing Minor and Ho Ho is in another universe.
Reyes could not handle the game at the MLB level. Minor is still a work in progress but the more we see the more we have to like.
TNScott
July 28th, 2012
8:18 pm
Braves are 14-4 in Medlin’s starts.
Capt.Mudd
July 28th, 2012
8:18 pm
@UNCBrave……….Apparently nobody knows what makes Uggs go!
ChattTownBrian
July 28th, 2012
8:18 pm
Tina, now that’s not nice. Be nice or leave. Rules are rules, young lady.
Mark
July 28th, 2012
8:19 pm
There record wasn’t very good but neither were the Braves. When JS brought in Pendleton, Bream and Rafael Belliard we got over the hump.
When Glavine learned the change he became a pitcher. Smoltz just had to get confident.
But you are right, it took patience on the Braves part with those 2 and Avery.
Disgusted
July 28th, 2012
8:19 pm
To this day it amazes me how Reyes could reject the tuteledge of HOF guys like Glavine and Smoltz.
Too much to think about????? Well, welcome to the majors. That sounds to me like a lack of work ethic. Anyway, look where Reyes is now, and he never will be a good MLB pitcher, will struggle in the minors till teams realize he just does not have it.
And the guy really did have physical ability and stuff.
LAG
July 28th, 2012
8:20 pm
big o – I like what Glavine said last inning ” we need to be patient with the young pitchers ” what if we had given up on Glavine and Smoltz… Can someone tell me what their record and era was in the first two years ?
GARBAGE, that’s what!
Actually, Smoltz went 2-7 and then 12-11 in ‘88 and ‘89. Glavine went 2-4 in ‘87 and 7-17 (led the league in losses) in ‘88.
Thanks for agreeing with something I’ve said before but got flamed for.
Pace
July 28th, 2012
8:20 pm
Minor is impressive so far this start – definitely learning this season – still a good pitch count – hitting his spots and containing the Phillies – rest that bullpen, don’t need JJ coming in for a hold anytime soon!
Capt.Mudd
July 28th, 2012
8:23 pm
The history of Phillie players’ respective injuries belong on the Philadelphia broadcast.
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:24 pm
lets get Blanton, he looks like so great..
JC Brave
July 28th, 2012
8:24 pm
Maybe If Braves offer Uggla smaller size uniforms in exchange for better performance he might get going…
Disgusted
July 28th, 2012
8:25 pm
Smoltz and Glavine were both good in 1989, note that Smoltz made the All-Star game in 89 with a bad Braves team.
Glav fell back a little in 90, but in 91 Tommy took off.
Smoltz got confident in the middle of 91, turned his yr around and the rest is history. Smoltz battled more injury and was hampered in 94, part of 98 and late in 99 than had the surgery that kept him out in 2000. Then he became the closer for 3 and a half yrs and once again a strong starter for 3 more.
I thought in a way that 98 was nearly as good as his 24 win CY Young award yr of 96, but he started the yr on the DL, was 17-3 with good peripheral numbers, imagine what they would have been with a completely healthy yr.
keylargo
July 28th, 2012
8:25 pm
Glavine and Smoltz played for some really crummy teams though. 88, 89, 90 they averaged 100 losses
UNCBrave
July 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
Cy Blanton….Come on Braves, work the count
The A Bomb
July 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
Bourn commercial is hilarious.
But it makes it look like the Genius Gonzalez uses him for his speed. False.
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:27 pm
6th inning is often a trouble spot for Minor…..
Disgusted
July 28th, 2012
8:27 pm
If only Avery could have been healthy.
He was outstanding in his first full yr, in 91. Struggled in 90 but turned it around the next yr and was solid ffrom 91 to 93.
Bama Brave
July 28th, 2012
8:27 pm
Blanton And Pence For Delgado?
MIBravesFan
July 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
Nice play, Chipper!
Capt.Mudd
July 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
Fielding prowess seems to be intact…….naysayers take note
Mark
July 28th, 2012
8:30 pm
Avery was the one I wanted out there when you needed a win. He was tough. He had a crazy motion and it ended up getting him.
keylargo
July 28th, 2012
8:30 pm
Bourn commercial is hilarious.
I saw one late at night with McCann doing all the roles. If was a 30 minute infomercial though.
Pace
July 28th, 2012
8:30 pm
89 – 90 mph fastball: Glavine “Nothing wrong w/that” – experience I guess
MIBravesFan
July 28th, 2012
8:31 pm
Good job in the 6th, Mike!
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:31 pm
jolly good show
Bravefaninok
July 28th, 2012
8:31 pm
Polished is doing very well tonight!!!
Venice Jim
July 28th, 2012
8:31 pm
6th inning is often a trouble spot for Minor…..
Minor strikes back at the haters…
The A Bomb
July 28th, 2012
8:31 pm
I figure with Boras getting Bourn out of town as quickly as possible those commercials will run more than last year’s flash mob deal.
Efrim
July 28th, 2012
8:32 pm
Ike Davis has serious power. There is a lot to like about him, Tejeda and David Wright as position players for the Mets.
Venice Jim
July 28th, 2012
8:32 pm
Brewers get 1 back, but DP ends inning – down 3-1…
MIBravesFan
July 28th, 2012
8:33 pm
If Glav is there on “Star Wars” night, he should dress up as “Obi-Wan”!
Mark
July 28th, 2012
8:34 pm
Glavine could run it up there in the low 90s. He could spot his FB and change though.
Another thing about Glavine that some do not like to admit was Glavine got a lot of calls that were off the plate. He lived out of the zone and umps called it.
Liked Glavine too but the truth is the truth.
JC Brave
July 28th, 2012
8:35 pm
4-3Kid
Capt.Mudd
July 28th, 2012
8:36 pm
Chipper doesn’t look older/40 from the CF camera view when he’s at the plate
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:36 pm
too many easy outs. not all that confident about this game
Pace
July 28th, 2012
8:37 pm
Quality starts from both pitchers – we need some good defense this inning. Might want to get someone loose in the pen, just in case. Minor only has 73 pitches, but we’re getting into uncharted territory for him.
JC Brave
July 28th, 2012
8:37 pm
The Braves are Blanton’s bitches. Even when he’s losing, he still owns them (If that even makes sense…).
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:39 pm
Minot hitting 88 and 89 a lot tonight
keylargo
July 28th, 2012
8:39 pm
I lived in Athens and would come over for games when Glavine, Maddux etc were there. I would always try to come when Maddux was pitching because I got home about 30 minutes earlier. Glavive would throw 125 pitches with 50 of them being 2 – 3 inches off the plate. Some he got some he didn’t but there were a lot of 3 hr games where sometimes you got out of a Maddux game after 2:15.
Mark
July 28th, 2012
8:40 pm
Nice pitches to Howard
Felix
July 28th, 2012
8:41 pm
Come on offense! Get behind Minor who is pitching his butt off for you.
Pace
July 28th, 2012
8:41 pm
He’s pitched well to Howard all three at bats – same sequences – same locations. If it works, why change it? Make the batter adjust – good work by Minor.
Felix
July 28th, 2012
8:43 pm
I remember last year when a lot of bloggers wanted the Braves to trade for Hunter Pence.
Capt.Mudd
July 28th, 2012
8:43 pm
If he’s losing ‘bitches,’…..well, frankly, he’s not that good.
Mark
July 28th, 2012
8:43 pm
He is actually getting close to the target on every pitch. Looking really good!
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:43 pm
still would love to have Pence
LAG
July 28th, 2012
8:44 pm
JC Brave – It’s one thing to be owned. It’s another thing to be owned AND beaten.
Mark – Zones were much wider back in the day, it seems. Glavine’s name is brought up the most because he was easily the most successful at living out there on the edge. Unless you want to discuss the Eric Gregg debacle of 1997…
Felix
July 28th, 2012
8:44 pm
Minor continues to deal!
ChattTownBrian
July 28th, 2012
8:44 pm
Wow Minor!
Southern Atlanta
July 28th, 2012
8:44 pm
Call me crazy, BUT if the Braves are looking for a guy who can give 8-10 quality starts as a rental, look no further than KEVIN MILLWOOD of Seattle!
The former Brave is a VETERAN, 3.90 ERA this year on a bad team, and would be VERY CHEAP (salary is only $1M-$1.5M range for 2012 season)! And, Braves would not have to trade any big-time prospects to get him.
Braves would get a reliable arm for this year, and still keep the ‘live’ arms for 2013 and beyond.
MIBravesFan
July 28th, 2012
8:44 pm
In thinking of trade deadline deals, compare what Frank gave up for Michael with what Philly gave up for Pence. I haven’t kept up with the players traded in each deal, but at the time at least, Frank did a heck of a job there.
Well done, Mike!
David O'Brien
July 28th, 2012
8:44 pm
Braves Minor has retired 10 in a row, 5 by strikeout
JC Brave
July 28th, 2012
8:45 pm
Great work by Minor so far tonight!
Hope he keeps it up!
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:45 pm
yeah the Bourn trade was an absolute steal, which all the Wren-trade haters never mention
brian
July 28th, 2012
8:45 pm
another effective outing for Mike Minor
Mark
July 28th, 2012
8:45 pm
Yeah, i’d like to have Pence. That’d be the RH stick we need.
big o
July 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
@Lag … I know dude… If we cant get a pitcher I say lets ride with what we got… Uggla is gonna hit so what we win 8-7. Yall see what Minor is doing… How many wanted to run him off 2 weeks ago ? I dont think we have seen the best of Hansen either….
John in Wichita
July 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
Great outing for Minor tonight. Glad to see his development through the long season.
Pace
July 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
Minor pitching a gem – 88 pitches – he might be done, he’s done all he can to give his team a chance to win – really only two questionable pitches that I noticed and the HR was one of them – missed by 3 inches. Fantastic and good time for it to come together for him and the Braves.
Jerry
July 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
I wish the Braves offense would give Minor a little breathing room.
Efrim
July 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
I wonder if we’ll see the “See….Minor was worth the #7 overall selection in 2009″ posts after this one.
brian
July 28th, 2012
8:47 pm
in facebook terms I “like” nolie’s 8:45
LAG
July 28th, 2012
8:47 pm
THAT’S WHY YOU RUN, BRIAN!
MIBravesFan
July 28th, 2012
8:47 pm
“Run Brian” indeed!
Pace
July 28th, 2012
8:47 pm
I hope that comes back to haunt them, easy muff there by Howard.
Jerry
July 28th, 2012
8:48 pm
The Phillies defense has been bad every time we’ve scored tonight.
BFChris27
July 28th, 2012
8:48 pm
McCann
Astral
July 28th, 2012
8:48 pm
Minor sure was worth the draft pick, he is gonna be a star
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 28th, 2012
8:49 pm
Major League Minor is here…. he just needed time folks! Lovin’ it!
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 28th, 2012
8:49 pm
Major League Minor is here…. he just needed time folks! Lovin’ it!
Efrim
July 28th, 2012
8:49 pm
Uggla down to .209.
It needs to get better soon.
Capt.Mudd
July 28th, 2012
8:49 pm
IMO….Minor has been more dominant tonight [thus far] than Mr. Blanton
Jerry
July 28th, 2012
8:49 pm
Dan being Dan
LAG
July 28th, 2012
8:50 pm
big o – Yeah, I agree. Minor’s growing, and I think we can write this year off as a bad one for Hanson. Bet he’ll be closer to normal in ‘13.
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:50 pm
Minor coming back?
ChattTownBrian
July 28th, 2012
8:50 pm
Uggla, Uggla, Uggla … what to do with the Uggs. I really don’t know. You can’t sit a 13-14 million dollar man, can you?
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:51 pm
sic Tonya on him
Pace
July 28th, 2012
8:51 pm
Lag – how is this a bad year for Hanson? He’s 11-5, Braves win 70% of his starts this year. Yeah he gets run support, but even so….
Capt.Mudd
July 28th, 2012
8:52 pm
Insurance needed–work those counts…Blanton has seven k’s and if the Phillie errors didn’t happen–obviously we’re coming up short tonight.
nolie
July 28th, 2012
8:52 pm
Minor not hitting the high speeds with his FB it seems. I was never a big fan of that amped up velo
Efrim
July 28th, 2012
8:52 pm
Future Shock
Teams That Could Have a Tough Time Trading
I was talking to a front office executive last week who was lamenting the disappointing season of a certain highly regarded prospect in the system. He’s the kind of prospect who could have helped his team put together an attractive trade package, but not anymore. It’s important to keep in mind that prospects serve two purposes for an organization. The first, obviously, is to produce at the big-league level for the parent team. The second, and equally important purpose at this time of year is to acquire big-league talent for a playoff run. With that in mind, here are some players whom their parent clubs wish were in a different place as they try to get deals done.
Atlanta Braves: Just One Stud
There are trade targets, and then there’s Zack Greinke. While Greinke isn’t definitely available, it’s certain that no trade for him can happen without the Brewers being able to acquire a top-flight prospect in return. That puts the Braves in a bit of a bind. While they have some depth in their system, right-hander Julio Teheran is their only stud, and he’s had an off year while continuing to struggle to find some consistency with his breaking ball. Despite an ERA approaching five at Triple-A Gwinnett, he still has the potential to be a front-line starter, but the Braves don’t want to trade their only top-notch prospect, especially when his value has been reduced by the tough year. By all accounts, Atlanta is in on Greinke, but it’s hard to see them being able to compete with the more attractive packages that a team like the Rangers can offer.
keylargo
July 28th, 2012
8:53 pm
Jordan Schafer 2012
.224 .307 .304 .612
Mark
July 28th, 2012
8:53 pm
He should have been sitting long ago.
Not even getting his occasional walk anymore.
110 the last 7 weeks. 7 freakin weeks!
TuffShhhtuff
July 28th, 2012
8:53 pm
No Philly belongs in a Braves uniform. They deserve more respect than that. Now that I mention it, has any Philly ever graced a Braves’ uni immediately after leaving the Phils? I don’t recall one. Would have had to be a pitcher.
The A Bomb
July 28th, 2012
8:54 pm
Uncharted territory. Hope Gonzalez is in the dugout and not on the john.
Mark
July 28th, 2012
8:55 pm
Nibblers have to be perfect.
Power guys can make mistakes more often without getting hurt.