3:02 pm July 28, 2012, by David O'Brien
July 29th, 20121:50 am
Watching a show in Destination America on the National Parks. So many beautiful places I have seen, but soooo many more I have yet to see.
That is what will define my eventual retirement. (plus getting in as many Braves games as possible)
July 29th, 20121:51 am
Bond on a helicopter, you have got to watching the living daylights.
July 29th, 20122:02 am
July 29th, 20122:05 am
MIBraves Fan – Thanks for the other Elivis songs too. “If I Can Dream, and ” “You gave Me A Mountain To Build On”, and the others as well. Cool stuff, and always been a big Elvis fan.
July 29th, 20122:06 am
DS1 – Be cool……
July 29th, 20122:08 am
Just saw the Kimbrel high lights. Nasty stuff, just filthy……How long for his brother to join us? Now that would be awesome!
His brother is a SP and from what I have read his FB tops out around 88-89. Not much of a prospect, but I guess you never know!
July 29th, 20122:10 am
CraZy – Thanks for the Info, and Let Matt Kimbrel learn.
July 29th, 20122:13 am
All, Have a good one! Great game, and finish tonight, and Peace my friends……”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
July 29th, 20123:21 am
From the pollster and statistician Nate Silver in an article on world records in the Olympics:
“Which leads to this: As Stephen Jay Gould noted, the more open to competition a sport is, the harder it may be to break records or to post extraordinary statistics. The .400 hitter disappeared in baseball once the color barrier was broken, and black Americans and players from Latin America were allowed to compete in the major leagues. This raised the average level of performance — but also made it harder for any one athlete to stand out quite as much relative to his peers.”
No Flag Since Lemke
July 29th, 20123:23 am
Take a small enough sample size and you can make any argument sound good. Look at the past few outings by Verlander and you would pass on him as well. Shields is the guy – team control, 6.5 innings per start and a track record over several seasons.
Love Medlin but putting him the rotation gives you a five inning starter and considerably weakens your bullpen. Yet this is the approach Wren apparently is going to take and we can all sit home in October wondering why we didn’t pursue a genuine starter – be it Shields or someone else.
July 29th, 20123:25 am
The five leading run scoring teams in the NL are the five leading OBP teams in the NL
July 29th, 20124:12 am
100 games gone. down to the last 40% of Chipper’s last season. I wanna cry…..
July 29th, 20125:19 am
OBP is so overrated… we should fill our team with Span, Juan Frans…..
July 29th, 20125:49 am
What I know right now is Mike Minor has a 5.18 ERA, so I think it’s going to have to be mid-September before I give the kid real props.
I get that, but only 43 MLB starts. 1987-88 after 43 starts, Tom Glavine 9-21, 5.05 ERA. 1.55 WHIP.
…Glavine used to frustrate the hell out of me. And that durn Bobby kept runnin’im out there.
July 29th, 20126:18 am
yeah Bobby did, but there was no reason not to back in those years. bad team so plenty of opportunity to get better without a lot of pressure
July 29th, 20126:34 am
so the Angels are willing to do everything in their power to win the WS now and the Braves are not. Ok…thats now clear for me. Wait till next year or the year after or the year after that or maybe…never.
Hmm… let’s see. The Angels have a deep-pockets owner willing to pay out the ying-yang for talent. The Braves have a restricted budget. Might that be a difference maker?
And the “Win it right now and and damn the future” crowd are funny folk. Cause if the Braves did as they said and “won it right now,” surrendering key talent in the process, and then failed to scratch in subsequent seasons, you bet the very same folk would be hollering about that, too
Well said Jeff R…agree 100%. The braves might have won a couple of WS if they hadn’t made the Tex trade
July 29th, 20126:36 am
The Cicada’s songs always remind me of Summers at my Grandmother’s house in my yoot. Unfortunately, Cicada Killer Wasps are also around and those buzzards love Bentgrass greens. I take a tennis racket as the 14th club in my Golf bag.
If, I have a bet with someone who’s not familiar with the wasps, I act real nervous on the 1st green and say something like, “I ain’t been stung by a Hornet, but I’ve heard it hurts like hell. You’re away…”
July 29th, 20126:41 am
July 29th, 20127:06 am
I wonder if Gallardo is available?
July 29th, 20127:14 am
I want Josh Johnson.
July 29th, 20127:17 am
July 28th, 2012
If we caint hit any better than that we should just give them the game and go home…..
July 29th, 20127:19 am
Seattle should trade King. They aren’t going anywhere anytime soon and already traded Ichiro. They have some talent in the minors and have Montero. I would trade Teheran for Josh Johnson or King Felix…in a heartbeat. I am not sure I would include him for Shields.
July 29th, 20127:20 am
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
July 28th, 2012
Great game by Minor…
And Charlie Manuel makes a smarta comment about BMac’s AVG, and BMac takes an 0-fer—tired of things working out that way, be it baseball, real life, or wherever…
agreed but that’s GA sports teams for ya….punch to the gut, fall over.
But we won tonight at least!
July 29th, 20127:37 am
Charlie Manuel and the “sky is falling bloggers” one thing to say about last night’s game and I will include Friday nights game too, SCORE BOARD. enough said.
July 29th, 20127:50 am
Let’s grab one more from the Filthies, whadda ya say? We’re playing pretty darn well. Would like to see the bats heat up some more….
Off to hack golf balls…
“I’m still a bit puzzled as to why we don’t have Delgado up and starting in the place of Jurrjens. He has only had 1 bad start since early June.”
Cause he’s going to the Cubs for Dempster tomorrow.
Doesn’t make sense if there is no trade. Delgado would be fine as 5th starter and Medlen is doing fantastic in his current role.
Something is going down.
July 29th, 20128:22 am
Delgado is most likely the main piece of any trade talks with others teams. Cause I really don’t see why they would choose Medlen over Delgado.
July 29th, 20128:29 am
Uggla is flat out embarrassing right now. Can’t defend his .OBP, attitude whatever right now. He’s got to get it going period. Give him the first 2 weeks in August and if there are no signs of turning it around, Prado becomes your 2B the remainder of the year.
This guy looks like a righthanded Nate McLouth. What is happening to this guy?
July 29th, 20128:30 am
Yep. They dont want to risk an injury or another bad outing that would lower his value.
He’s definitely going somewhere.
July 29th, 20128:32 am
We need pitching, right? How about these numbers for July -
4 starts – ER- 2, 1,2,1 IP- 6.1, 6, 7, 8 BB – 2,2,0,0.
Not bad at all, what do y’all think?
July 29th, 20128:35 am
Not bad at all Lew, but they don’t outweigh performance to date. It sure is nice to see Mikey pitching good. But, I declared he had turned the corner back in April, so I am shutting the hell up this time. Tommy needs to pick it up too.
July 29th, 20128:38 am
“Not bad at all, what do y’all think?”
Minor has been very good. I think the intention the whole time was to leave him in the rotation and replace Jurrjens with the acquired pitcher. And before the Medlen talk begins, by acquiring a starting pitcher and leaving Medlen in the setup role in the bullpen, this makes the team much stronger. By moving Medlen to the rotation that leaves a big hole out in the bullpen with the only guys trusted with the lead are Kimbrel and Eric O. The price for a reliever as good as Medlen has been in the setup role will be a lot higher than many folks on here realize.
Minor is really starting to pitch well, and even Delgado’s last start was good too.
July 29th, 20128:39 am
Not bad for your 5th starter where he will remain as they pick up a starter in the next 48 hours. Good for Minor, good to see.
Medlen admirers shouldn’t get their hopes up too much. After Tuesday, he probably will be back in the pen where he belongs and doing great work.
July 29th, 20128:40 am
Any speculation on what a resurrected Dempster deal would look like? Minor’s game gives us even more leverage. What packages would they take now, not including Delgado?
It sounds like the Dodgers offered Gould or Withrow, #7 and #9 prospects. Cubs want Webster, their #2. Would our Zeke Spruill trump that? He’s only our #10, but might be viewed as a better player.
July 29th, 20128:41 am
Medlen could be out if we sign someone, and right back in when Hanson’s arm falls off.
July 29th, 20128:44 am
Just no way I’d offer Delgado for Dempster anymore.
I think we are getting Dempster. Pitching has been good this week, more leverage now.
Anybody who believed Wren when he said we are moving on in the deal, I have a bridge to sell you. What was he suppose to say.
I think Medlen is just another coy regarding starting. Something big is going to happen IMO.
Go get Scott Hairston too.
I am glad the Braves did not get Liriano, they never were really in n him it seems.
Medlen > than Liriano. Even Delgado and Minor > than Liriano.
July 29th, 20128:45 am
Jason – He’s young and has all of 43 starts – he’s starting to figure it out.
We pretty much have our rotation – there’s not going to be some stud come in and lead us to the promised land. We’re winning. Hudson, Sheets and Minor are pitching well, Delgado looked better in his last two starts – AND, lo and behold, we’re winning games..
It’s Hanson that I;m concerned about.
Maybe it is Medlen moving as well and not Delgado. Could happen, going to be fun the next couple of days.
July 29th, 20128:49 am
“We pretty much have our rotation – there’s not going to be some stud come in and lead us to the promised land. We’re winning. Hudson, Sheets and Minor are pitching well, Delgado looked better in his last two starts – AND, lo and behold, we’re winning games.. ”
The only problem is that every spot in the rotation seems to be a question mark; Hudson with his ankle, Sheets with his injury history, Hanson’s struggles, Minor being good of late but possibly could turn back to old Minor, and the open spot in the rotation. I’m really glad that for the most part the rotation is pitching good right now, but we’ve also seen the bad side of this rotation that could creep back in at any moment. Can’t let this short term success cause you to turn away from adding a solid SP to this staff.
“Jason – He’s young and has all of 43 starts – he’s starting to figure it out.
It’s Hanson that I;m concerned about.”
Lew, your off rocker as you have been. If this situation remains the same come Tuesday, I will be the first to apologize and say you are the man. Doubtful though.
We are winning. So are the Red(9 in a row), Dodgers, Nats, Giants, Pirates. See a pattern here? Adding and not staying pat.
Sorry, your getting ready to eat a big piece of humble pie.
ncbraves90 right on as well.
July 29th, 20128:51 am
“Seattle should trade King”
When you move difference makers in sports, more often than not you wind up with just pieces.
Past trades include Wilt Chamberlain, Frank Robinson to the Orioles, Tom Seaver from the Mets to Reds, & locally how about Illya Kovalchuck and Marian Hossa, two moves that pretty much sealed the failure of the franchise.
It would be a tough tough decision for Sea to trade King.
Look at the so called pieces we got the last time we moved a star — speaking of the Texiera deal to the Angels.
Seattle got pieces for Ken Griffey Jr, the Randy Johnson deal not too bad (A young Freddy Garcia).
Of course Griff Jr was not the same in Cincy, but principle is trading stars for pieces sucks for the trading team.
Dempster has question marks too. And most certainly don’t wanna trade 5 years of Delgado for him.
Minor’s been looking sharp. Definitely been battling his games to get to this point. The kid is figuring it out.
July 29th, 20128:53 am
Dempster question marks, yes there are some.
Did Furcal have question marks last season with prior injuries? Berkman?
Beltran? Sometimes we have a tendency to look way too much at prior health on this board.
Anyways, out of here
July 29th, 20128:55 am
“Dempster has question marks too. And most certainly don’t wanna trade 5 years of Delgado for him.”
NL ERA leader sounds good to me! And it won’t be Delgado straight up for Dempster anymore I wouldn’t think. Probably ask the Cubs to throw in Reed Johnson too.
July 29th, 20128:56 am
I do not hold it aganst Wren not getting a major deal done at this trade deadline (probably the smart course of action under all circumstances right now), but in the off season if there are good International players and the Braves are talking, I do not want to hear how the Braves came in close and tried.
I want a deal done, signed sealed and delivered. Not an old Japanese pitcher but if there is a Cespedes or that Cuban OF who signed with the Dodgers (cannot think of his name right now), that is the type of deal that makes sense.
We are not gettng anyone of substance in FA, that should be understood, so the ITL player route is another way to go and you can find some good players there. Look at Chapman with the REds, that is a guy most teams could have gotten. He did not sign for a franchse stagnating sum of $$$$.
You want to play, you have to pay.
July 29th, 20128:59 am
I don’t want to trade Delgado for Dempster. I was semi in favor of it before mainly because IMO Delgado is just potential. He is probably a yr or more away from truly being ready to pitch in the major leagues. But now, I think its pretty clear Dempster will absolutely test the FA market. So Delgado for a rental, no thanks. I do think Lester IF the sox are sellers could be as effective as Dempster. He is struggling in Boston but not on the road and plus I think getting away from Bobby V will boost him up as well.
July 29th, 20129:01 am
We should be concerned about Hanson, but hey, the guy has won. 11-5 is still 11-5.
Not the sexiest 11-5, and we want him to be able to go deeper in games and have better command, but I will take an ugly W as the wins come around.
When his command is on, he can take tham deep iinto the game and inspite of the BB last time out he did get some K’s.
So long as he is healthy, the command is something that can be worked on.
July 29th, 20129:06 am
Disgusted, I agree with you on Hanson. Not too many times I agree with you but on this one, I do. 11 wins is still 11 wins. And that is the bottom line. Just like Manuel running his mouth, dude you have just lost 2 games to the Braves. You can win with the snide comments, I will take what is most important, scoreboard.
July 29th, 20129:10 am
Braves are 15-8 in July, including 5-0 with a 1.60 ERA against the Phillies.
And who aree they going to get Frankie? A two month rental of Dempster? Are they going to talk the Rays out of Shileds?
I’ll be eating humble pie? Why is that? Because I have an opinion that differs from “Get Kyle Lohse at any price”?
Dude, I’m no more full of crap than you are.
July 29th, 20129:24 am
James Shields is the absolute best option considering all the factors in my opinion.
1. Not a rental, so trading a quality package makes sense. Helps us now and the next 2 seasons.
2. He’s affordable for our payroll, next 2 season’s are both options. 9 million in 2013, 12 million in 2014. Well below market value for what he provides.
3. He’s a healthy workhorse. After this season it will be 6 consecutive seasons pitching 200+ innings. He’s only 30 years old as well.
4. Pitched his whole career in the AL East and has produced a solid 4.00 ERA overall, you would have to think he does better in the NL.
July 29th, 20129:26 am
Freeman is slowing down in his last eight games: .154/.313/.154
July 29th, 20129:28 am
PHILLY PHAN …..Whereeeeeeee are you…….
July 29th, 20129:31 am
Good morning everyone. I really don’t get why Wren is still trying to get Dempster??. I mean he already said he does not want to play for the Braves beside that he might still cost us Delgado is Wren out of his-mind. Seriously why not go after someone such as James Shields who is just 30 years old and beside that in my opinion James Shields is a better pitcher then Dempster.
VaBraves – And he pitches for a contending team that likely doesn’t want to trade him.
July 29th, 20129:33 am
“I mean he already said he does not want to play for the Braves”
Actually he hasn’t
July 29th, 20129:35 am
Valid point, but alot of teams are interested in him. Rays are all about letting expensive players go to add young talent and just keep restocking while staying competitive.
July 29th, 20129:36 am
Where are all the folks who said Philly was going to make a run and win a wild card spot? Please.
45-16 to win 90 games.
43-18 to win 88 games.
No chance that happens.
July 29th, 20129:39 am
Oh and the pick the Angels got from the Yankees for Tex turned into Mike Trout.
July 29th, 20129:41 am
Why do so many people like Shields? He’s been getting hammered for about a month and a half now.
He’s better than Jurrjens, sure, but that’s about it.
July 29th, 20129:42 am
If Dempster does end up coming here just for the last 2 months, Delgado’s name had better not be mentioned in the press release. Unless, there is someone else pretty good coming on the airplane with him. The Cubs were in the driver’s seat before, but no longer. Dempster has made it clear that he is going to sign with LA next year, so that drives the price down. Pay accordingly Frank.
July 29th, 20129:46 am
I’d be really surprised if we traded Delgado for Dempster at this point. Cubs have zero leverage.
July 29th, 20129:47 am
@Sonny Jackson When looking at Shields everyone have to consider that he is not getting any run support.
July 29th, 20129:48 am
The Phillies are a complete mess.
Ray @ Whatever Charlie Manuel, the Philly players, press or fans have to say now is hot air in the wind as far as this yr goes.
They are NOT catching us this yr, so their talk is funny for now.
Now, 2012 could be an aberration and with healthy SP and veteran players, they may still have mileage. They do not look like a dismantling team per giving Hammels to deal he got (and he deserves it).
They will have some transition but are still in the game to play with the big boys so long as the sellouts and strong attnedance continues.
I don’t get the bad fundamental play they have shown this yr — No excuse for a veteran team.
But for this yr — Good Bye Phoolies Good Night and hybernate for the winter.
July 29th, 20129:50 am
Philly is a mess for ths yr but they could be back in 13. But its fun to see the Phloppies for now.
Where are the trolls?????
@Efrim it true that the Cubs have zero leverage but we have to remember who the Braves GM Wren someone who when he make a trade he sometime give up way to much.
July 29th, 20129:51 am
Hard to really figure out the Phillies. There in last place and just handed out a 144 million dollar contract, but also want to trade Victorino, Pence, and even Rollins.
July 29th, 20129:52 am
Shileds did have a 5.18 ERA in 2010, a good yr in 11 and has been hit hard as of late.
He has had an up and down career. So it is no big deal if we do not get him.
I do not want an overpay for Shields. But Wren has to keep looking and talking and that is all we can ask him to do.
July 29th, 20129:53 am
He has an ERA over 6.00 in his last seven starts.
It’d take a lot of run support to win those games.
I am sure the Braves have had several talks with the Rays about Shields and who knows who else. The Ray’s simply have not decided if they are sellers or not. I would venture a guess that Wren has been on the phone with at least 10-12 teams over the last few weeks.. and has probably dwindled down to 4-6 teams at this point. Just a conservative guess.
Victorino is on his way out, they prolly want to get younger in the lineup but they are committed to keeping the SP together.
They also have big $$$$$$$$ and time left on contracts invested there.
July 29th, 20129:55 am
It’s a good reason Wren doesn’t read these blogs, ninety percent of the the idiots writing this garbage have no idea how to help the braves improve. If you read these blogs for fun, thats O K, But don’t take these morons seriously.
July 29th, 20129:56 am
Phillies are paying Papelbon more than our whole Bench and Bullpen combined also the same amount were paying Uggla and Chipper.
July 29th, 20129:58 am
What trade did Wren make when he gave up too much.
Note that the first Tex deal was made by Mr. Scheurholz, not Wren.
In Wren;s tenure he has been pretty tight in not giving up too much in trades. And he overpaid once for Lowe. Most of the time Wren is prudent with the org;s assets.
He gave up nothing for a yr and a half of Bourn. And though the Mc Louth deal did not work, he did not give much there and everyone loved that deal at the time.
Even the KK deal was not a crazy overpay at the time. His first yr he was not that bad, better thn his W-L record was. With a little more luck KK could have been a .500 pitcher for us. The deep numbers say he was better than his record, injury and the development of better prospects finished him here.
The Padres have agreed to sign Huston Street to a two-year extension worth $14MM, MLB.com’s Corey Brock reports (on Twitter). The contract will include a club option for 2015 valued at $7MM, Brock reports.
July 29th, 20129:59 am
Phillies are in trouble this year. The next couple years could very easily be worse. Their stars are aging fast. they have given big contracts to guys they can’t move unless they keep a big part of their contracts.
Good move by the Pads. They are showing signs of proactivity. Once they get new ownership established, they are going to be run like a baseball team.
I do think that John Moores is stepping away from there, if he has not already. That is good for Pads fans.
July 29th, 201210:02 am
Many of you rip Wren to shreds because he has not made the deals that you have wanted him to do in your fantasy world. But Disgusted is correct that Wren has been more spot on than not in his dealings. Plenty of examples. to go by.
Had they benn a contender the Papelbon deal could have been justified.
But they cannot be hurting cause they just gave Hammels the big $$$$$$$.
The $$$$$$$$$$ are not hurting them at all and clearly their ownership are playing to win.
Remember a decade or so ago they were calling themselves a small to mid market club.
July 29th, 201210:04 am
I doubt is the Rays will be sellers, why should they be??? They are right there for the second WC.
The AL is like a tight fitting small elevator with alot of teams right now, many teams have a chance.
Bravesfaninnc.. please share when in your opinion Wren gave up too much in a trade. I am just curious.
July 29th, 201210:06 am
Woke up to see men’s basketball is on and it’s live, nice to watch something live for the Olympics.
July 29th, 201210:09 am
Helluva deal for the Padre’s. They could trade him next season for good value if there not winning.
It sucks to not get a starter as I still have concerns about guys in that rotation, but understand if FW just goes for some bench help and RP for now. He can still make a deal for SP after the deadline. Right now the way things look from our angle, nothing out there looks all that appealing to be honest. Dempster? For what? I certainly wouldn’t offer Delgado now if I’m them. Shields is having an awful time of it, so I doubt they’re all that interested anyways. Plus what you’d have to trade to get him. Johnson and Hernandez would shrink their system to shreds, so you know Wren isn’t going there.
Unless he has something real sneaky up his sleeve and not one of those nosey experts have figured out yet, just expect a combo deal for a bench bat and reliever like we saw in 2010.
July 29th, 201210:10 am
Va, I didn’t like the Quentin extension for them. They really don’t need to lock up older players, imo.
July 29th, 201210:15 am
I’m headed to the game today, I was supposed to be meeting Nova Scotia Steve, but he had to reschedule his trip….Should I take a broom today, or my “Has anybody seen Philliestien” poster
July 29th, 201210:16 am
Totally agree about Quentin… He’s only played 45 games this season for them… He has only averaged 120 games since 2008…
But I like the Street deal, top notch closer for only 7 million is a good deal if there winning and also has a good amount of trade value if there not.
July 29th, 201210:19 am
@Ray I am talking about the Yunel Escobar trade know true Escobar from been reported was a club cancer. But still we gave up a really good player and who we get back did not really the value from the Braves point of view. Don’t also forget about the Royals trade where we had to give up Tim Collins.
July 29th, 201210:22 am
@Ray I can also included the move by the Braves to agree to let the Twins keep Scott Diamond. Which has turn out to be a really bad move by the Braves
GTSteve, you’re gonna need a battery powered fan, not a broom. As much as I love the Braves, I doubt I’m ever going to a afternoon game in ATL during the summer. Sucks they probably don’t allow those battery fans in the stadium. Place is literally an oven. But enjoy yourself.
Gallardo? FW is working on something that is under the radar. You know he has irons in the fire that haven’t been talked about yet. I hope we get get a stud pitcher!
July 29th, 201210:24 am
David posted the lineup on twitter…
#Braves lineup: 1. Bourn CF, 2. Prado LF, 3. Heyward RF, 4. Jones 3B, 5. Freeman 1B, 6. Uggla 2B, 7. Ross C, 8. Janish SS, 9. Hudson P
@JasonInFL no way that the Beer-man would trade Gallardo but if they do then FW should try to get him.
July 29th, 201210:26 am
July 5 last summer … the hottest I have ever been. I have worked outdoors shoveling gravel in the summer here in Chattanooga before. It still didn’t compare to having the sun beat down on me while sitting in that oven at turner field. I literally couldn’t breath as sweat poured all over my body. Absolutely f*** ridiculous. But we still had fun.
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