Braves lose out on another trade target

In a span of five days the Braves have seen trade possibilities with their top two targets on the market foiled.

On Monday, Cubs right-hander Ryan Dempster failed to approve a deal that would have sent Dempster to the Braves for right-hander Randall Delgado, then on Friday, the Brewers traded Zack Grienke to the Los Angeles Angels for shortstop and two Double-A pitchers.

The Braves haven’t ruled out Dempster, who has said he still might accept the Braves trade before the July 31st deadline, but the Dodgers are still clearly his preference and a team that might trade for him yet.

The same reason that the Braves balked at sending a prospect like Julio Teheran to Milwaukee is the same reason they’ll find it challenging to find another starter before Tuesday’s 4 p.m. deadline – the cost.

Some of the remaining top-of-the-rotation pitchers who might become available like Miami’s Josh Johnson and Tampa’s James Shields will likely demand an even higher price in prospects.

“We’ve got several different paths we can go down,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said shortly before the Greinke deal broke. “It’s one thing to say ‘OK this is what we need.’ It’s another thing to get it because there’s not a lot out there. That makes a big difference.”

The Braves are also in the market for a platoon player/right-handed hitter as well as relief help.

The Braves are keeping Kris Medlen in mind for a possible start on Tuesday in place of the struggling Jair Jurrjens. Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said Medlen would be available for one final inning out of the bullpen on Friday if that’s the way they go.

That’s about as far as Gonzalez is taking it.

“I’m to the point where whoever gets here gets here,” Gonzalez said of potential trade acquisitions. “Don’t even worry about who or how or how it’s going to fit.”

155 comments Add your comment

JJ

July 27th, 2012
8:41 pm

Hopefully Frank Wren has us all fooled and is secretly working of a trade for Felix Hernandez. Hey, we can all dream!

VP

July 27th, 2012
8:41 pm

I am surprised the Brewers accepted just a couple of AA pitchers.

i love the Mutts Bullpen

July 27th, 2012
8:42 pm

what do we do???

Skim

July 27th, 2012
8:42 pm

Skim

July 27th, 2012
8:43 pm

Nowhere near first.

Lil Red

July 27th, 2012
8:43 pm

So, use Medlin. That would be just as good as a trade and wouldn’t have to give up anyone.

Biff pocoroba

July 27th, 2012
8:43 pm

Don’t. Worry. Frank is talking to Zane Smith about coming back. If a pitcher isnt over 40, Frank has no interest. Can we please fire him now?

Largo

July 27th, 2012
8:44 pm

Medlen could be the right way to go and he’s a hell of a lot cheaper.

VA Braves Fan

July 27th, 2012
8:44 pm

The ignorance of Fredi Gonzalez shines through in that quote. Ugh!

tommy hawk

July 27th, 2012
8:45 pm

Teams obviously want a fair return and Wren doesn’t want to make another Texiera type trade.
Therefore, I see nothing major being acconplished by the Braves before Tuesday.
Our “trades” will be Medlen to the rotation and Moylan to the ‘pen.

Dawgdad (The Original)

July 27th, 2012
8:45 pm

Any discussion of Paul Maholm, he seems to have the Braves number and should be available. Plus, he is left handed.

angry acworth man

July 27th, 2012
8:47 pm

Great job Frank!!!! Just missed out on another pitcher!! Whats your next great idea!! Thios organization is a frickin joke!!!!

UNCBrave

July 27th, 2012
8:48 pm

TradeDeadliner‏@TradeDeadliner

Prospects to #Brewers include #Angels No. 1 Segura, 4 Hellweg, and 9 Pena. Greinke to #Angels.

chris

July 27th, 2012
8:49 pm

Two AA pitchers ??? and we couldnt part with Delgago or Tehran? Grinke must have wanted to go west instead of south…not sure whats left but to hope for a miracle…Jurrjens is toast….the way I look at it if we cant get a pitcher get some damn bats in here cause we sure as hell won’t be winning 2-1, we’ll have to win 10-8 every night and will need to score a bunch of runs for this current staff……

angry acworth man

July 27th, 2012
8:49 pm

Its obvious that Frank Wren is incompetent so its time to get rid of his sorry butt!!!

Piff Bocoroba

July 27th, 2012
8:49 pm

Biff,

Dude, bet we don’t hear from you when the Braves run the table in the playoffs!

Go Braves !

Kyle

July 27th, 2012
8:50 pm

They will end up making a trade to just make a trade but nothing major like this would have been. They are so predictable but losers normally are.

Troy

July 27th, 2012
8:50 pm

How about trading christian bethancourt for James Shields? Rays need a catcher prospect and the BRaves get a pitcher with postseason experience.

UNCBrave

July 27th, 2012
8:50 pm

Moylan just went on the DL

angry acworth man

July 27th, 2012
8:50 pm

Paul Maholm??? Are u kidding me!!!

JC Boscan III

July 27th, 2012
8:51 pm

Unless we swing a shocking deal for Josh Johnson or Felix Hernandez, the odds are we’ll get NO starter or we’ll get some mediocre guy with a 4.15 ERA. Then, we’ll be told that 4.15 is a good thing. So, maybe that will help us pursue a wild card spot, but it’ll do nothing to get us to a World Series.

Weaseal

July 27th, 2012
8:52 pm

Save our prospects go with Medlen & get some guys for the pen DONE

Packer Ed

July 27th, 2012
8:52 pm

Can we try Medlin and not mortgage our future on recycled garbage and players that do not want to be in Atlanta?

Look at what Ben sheets has done so far?

Thank you very much frank Wren?

Kevin

July 27th, 2012
8:52 pm

Moylan was promoted and promptly put on the DL. Wouldn’t count on him any time soon.

JC Boscan III

July 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

If Sheets goes 6 or 7 tonight, I can see Wren saying “Sheets and Hudson are our aces, we’re adding Medlen to the rotation, finding some bench guy who can hit lefties, and we’re on our way to the World Series! Praise Liberty Cheapskate Media!”

Gus2259

July 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

As long as Liberty owns the team we can’t expect much. Top players cost. Washington, Dodgers, and the Angels are all adding payroll to win. Liberty has allowed the Braves to do what? This win at medium cost is another way of saying we will get lucky every 10 or 15 years. No you can’t buy a World Series. The Yankees have proven that but to get there you have to get past these teams who have paid for top talent. Yes the Nats payroll is not in that category yet due to the age of the players but they have said money will not stand between them and winning. As their players age they will have to add more payroll to keep the Harpers and others. What will the Braves do in reply to that? What will Liberty allow Wren to do. Baseball should not allow owners like Liberty who only want the team as an investment.

Rafael

July 27th, 2012
9:03 pm

Frank Wren, you are a LOW-LIFE, DO-NOTHING, LYING JERK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Angels acquired Zach Greinke and you and Liberty CHEAPIA acquire Miquel Batista. If my memory serves me right, you just got rid of a WASHED-UP Kawakami BUM in Livian “19 Team” Hernandez and now you get a bargain-basement, scrap-heap CLONE of Livian in Miguel Batista.

You love pulling the ‘ole CUBS “trick”…. baiting the fans with names of MLB Stars and dominant pitchers with NO intention of trading for or signing them. Then you say “we tried.”

Frank, what is Liberty CHEAPIA paying your salary for!!!!???????? Your big trade deadline acquistions are the likes of Miguel Batista, Reed Johnson, and Randy Wolf????? Thanks Frank, those type of players will certainly get us over the top.

‘Whatcha gonna do now Frank????? What dominant pitcher are you going to acquire… NONE is correct… because there are NONE available anymore or they are not your FAVORITE TERM… “AFFORDABLE.”

Frank Wren, you SHOULD be ASHAMED calling yourself a human being. You are a despicable LYING JERK…. yes LYING (the letter to fans after last season’s collaspe promising to whatever it takes to improve the Braves. Right. Liberty CHEAPIA to the rescue.

Frank’s upcoming big moves is to acquire Matt Capps, Jamie Moyer, Joe Thurston, and Brad Lidge… ALL WASHED UP BUMS. Meanwhile, Frank will pull the ‘ole CUBS trick and tease us with Josh Johnson rumors (no intention of trading for him but pulling the ’smoke and mirrors’ on us Brave’s fans and saying “we missed him by that much.”

Frank, I wish you nothing but bad luck and suffering, and a miserable life. You deserve it. You are a worst GM in MLB but you are Liberty CHEAPIA’S puppet, their “Good Soldier.”

bcb

July 27th, 2012
9:05 pm

I can’t WAIT for Wren to not make a trade at the deadline now and say ‘we feel that we already have the necessary pieces for a championship.’ Ridiculous. Adding Medlen won’t solve our starters problems. Better get used to having to score 6 runs every game to win and hope its not Monday.

Busch Leaguer

July 27th, 2012
9:14 pm

If the Red Sox get swept this weekend by the Yankees a fire sale will start .Red sox front office is pissed with Beckett and Lester .Either one would be a big upgrade to the Braves and the Red Sox will more than likely make some financial considerations to get deals done. Wren make a move before the Dodgers or Nats .

smallmouth6

July 27th, 2012
9:14 pm

Rafeal—-You need an anxiety pill.

Brad

July 27th, 2012
9:15 pm

Well, it looks like Sheets is doing pretty well. Personally, I would rather sign Grienke this winter than losing a good prospect for him and then still have to try to sign him.

Chief Knockadouble

July 27th, 2012
9:17 pm

Sunny Skies Joe Simpson just said we don’t need another starting pitcher.

jpatt

July 27th, 2012
9:18 pm

Everyone wants to complain and moan about not getting Greinke the fact is we can’t afford him. If more of you fans stop complaining and filled the stands the maybe we will have enough money to go after these big fish and resign the big guns. Until then quit whining Wren is doing the best he can with our payroll. You can make apples into oranges.

Higg Papi

July 27th, 2012
9:20 pm

honestly, this is a good thing. You can’t trade away a young man with ace potential like Teheran for two months of a pitcher like Grienke. He’s great, but he’s not the Cy Young contender we once saw. If we can’t make a trade for an ace it will be disappointing, but not as disappointing as the feeling we would have next year when we’re Grienke-less and Teheran-less, not to mention the other two top-20 prospects it would have cost. Wren is cautiously scouting the market for a big name. What is wrong with that?

jpatt

July 27th, 2012
9:26 pm

We have the worst TV deal in the bigs. They can’t spend money unless you go to the games! If we got Greinke it would be for short term. To resign him would be 25% or more of the payroll. That means you lose Bourne 100% and can’t resign Mac or Hudson. Not to mention you lose good prospects in the process ask yourself is a not proven post season pitcher that’s pitched for all small market clubs worth that price tag? The answer is clearly no. You can’t mortgage the future and roll the dice on one guy that hasn’t been post season tested.

cheft

July 27th, 2012
9:28 pm

Last I checked, we got the best brewers pitcher on the market. Ben Sheets will be 3-0 with an er
a of 0.5. Put Medlen in the starting rotation, keep our Farm team going in the positive direction…here

go-BRAVOS

July 27th, 2012
9:28 pm

It would be very risky sending top prospects to the Marlins for Josh Johnson considering is rarely healthy. Great pitcher when he actually plays but he spends too much time on the DL to be worth Teheran or Delgado.

the truth...

July 27th, 2012
9:28 pm

@ All the unhappy blog idiots trashing Wren for not getting Greinke

Bottom line…..

Greink is a RENTAL……that means you give up whatever you trade for TWO months service…..

next year he is projected to cost $20 plus MILLION per year to sign as a free agent……..

If you don’t get that you shouldn’t even be blogging……

The BRAVES have mortgaged the future for a RENTAL before and lost…..

Thanks to the Angels…..

Biff pocoroba

July 27th, 2012
9:29 pm

The Braves run the table? You are an idiot. They couldn’t even do that when they had a decent GM since Fredi’s mentor coached them out of the post season by bungling everything. Wren thought that he could easily get Dempster but Dempster knows Frank and Fredi and how lousy they are and would rather stay with the Cubs. Nice job Frank.Now go get Niekro back and tell us how much better we will be when Jack Wilson comes back.

Rowsdower

July 27th, 2012
9:30 pm

I’m amazed at the stupidity I am seeing here. You lampoon Wren for not getting a trade done. Well, let’s see. He had a deal in place to bring in the ERA leader, but he chose to utilize his 10-5 rights and declined the deal. The Brewers wanted a king’s ransom for a 2 month rental. Is Wren supposed to give up our #1, #5 and #9 prospects for a guy that’s gone after the season? That didn’t workout so well a few years ago…Oh, and he signed Ben Sheets off the street for nothing. That seems to be working out pretty well.

the truth...

July 27th, 2012
9:32 pm

Medlin costs us NOTHING…..and Sheets is our trade Bonus……

Sheets…..3 games….18 innings….1 earned run……

Do you forget Wren snagged Sheets??????????????

Thanks Big Frank…..

Remember Big Frank…………….

NO RENTALS

DON’T TRADE DELGADO !!!!!

the truth...

July 27th, 2012
9:32 pm

Sometimes the BEST TRADE is THE ONE YOU DON’T MAKE!!!!

GaDawg

July 27th, 2012
9:35 pm

Higg Papi, the most sensible comment yet. Common sense is good, some should try just a little of “fleeting sense”. We do not need a starting pitcher as musch as we need someone who hits for average rather than homeruns.

Busch Leaguer

July 27th, 2012
9:36 pm

Need 5000 more fans a night to get of their asses and go to the Ted. With the crappy TV deal butts in the seats is the only way the Braves can sign and keep the players on their roster now,much less acquire any big contract pitchers. Again tonight nice crowd but 25% are Phreaking Phillies fans.

Typical

July 27th, 2012
9:36 pm

Greinke=proven
Dempster=proven
Teheran=?
Inaction=failure

Ummm…no brainer there, Frank. We must be stuck in 2011, because this suspiciously looks like 2011. Change the date on the calendar, and it’s the same old Braves.

Rowsdower

July 27th, 2012
9:39 pm

Greinke = Too damn expensive
Dempster = Doesn’t want to be here
Teheran = #1 prospect
Inaction = Doesn’t cost a thing

There…I fixed it for you

angry acworth man

July 27th, 2012
9:41 pm

I 2nd what Rafael had to say!!! Frank Wren thinks we are all a bunch of chumps and that he can get away with trying to dupe all us braves fans!! He had no intention of trying to get greinke!! But he is interested in scott hairston??

milt famey

July 27th, 2012
9:42 pm

The Angels just pd a tremendous amt of rent for 2 months. At least in the Texeira trade, we got him for a year and half. Plus the Angels get no draft compensation after this season when he wallks. You guys need to let FW run the ballclub. Ben Sheets was a heckuva pickup.

Typical

July 27th, 2012
9:46 pm

@rowsdower…our #1 prospect for 2012 has given up 103 hits in 91 innings, with a 5.341 ERA.

But hey, there’s always next year…isn’t that what Braves fans (and fans of any sport in Georgia for that matter) always say?

I’m sure by the time he’s ready, and Chipper has long since retired..nobody will care if we had a chance to win a World Series this year or not.

Blue ridge Brave

July 27th, 2012
9:46 pm

I really dont think people on here have ever watched baseball or understand it at all. We are not close at all to winning a ws. So why would we give away our future just to make the playoffs. Shields makes much more sense and johnson would be ideal. I would still love a big bat for left and use prado all over the place. I know it is screwing with prado but that is why he is valuable. Im the biggest braves fan so i want to win at all cost but after the tex and drew trades we have got to be smart.

a sane person

July 27th, 2012
9:49 pm

people are just ridiculous. these people who are upset with wren should turn on the game and see what sheets is doing. and he cost nothing. there were no good deals to be had for rental pitchers this season, and Dempster not signing off on that deal could be a real blessing because Delgado has nice potential and his value isn’t at it’s highest now. liberty has provided a little extra room to add payroll this season, there just isn’t a deal that makes sense.
how can all of these people who come on here to trash talk the management of the team even enjoy baseball? it just seems so stupid to get so worked up about this stuff. just watch what happens and enjoy

milt famey

July 27th, 2012
9:49 pm

It looks like the Angels gave up 3 of their top 10 prospects. We could have gotten Greinke for Andrelton Simmons, and 2 of our best pitching prospects. Too dadgum much, IMO.

oh my foking god

July 27th, 2012
9:50 pm

what the hell is wrong with Venters??? two quick outs and then loaded the foking bases???

he is scared always vs the syphyllies??? thank god Howard sucks vs LHP and he swing and the miss a slider outside …

anyway he put another zero in the scoreboard

GO BRAVES!

nick p.

July 27th, 2012
9:53 pm

thank god! i am not sure if he would stick around by end of year, and if he demands hamels like money that would short change the rest of the team! put medlin in there, i dont know what this kid has to do to recrack the starting rotation again, i dont even know why they are so hesitant, he is a BULLDOG! not the college, but attitude and the way he goes after hitters!

the truth...

July 27th, 2012
9:54 pm

NO MORE RENTALS

if the bullpen holds two more at bats Sheets is 3-0 with a .33 ERA…..

Thank you Big Frank…..that’s the kind of deal we can afford……

milt famey

July 27th, 2012
9:56 pm

Blue Ridge Brave, you are 100% correct. Zack Greinke would not immediately put us in the WS.

Typical

July 27th, 2012
9:56 pm

Yeah, if only we had a Ben Sheets for every position….THEN we’d be a contender

Steve

July 27th, 2012
9:58 pm

The bottom line is that the Braves have been to the playoffs only ONE time under Fumbling Frank. Maybe that is why fans have no faith in him.

Busch Leaguer

July 27th, 2012
9:58 pm

Will Wren and the Braves be able to re-sign Sheets to a new contract,if he continues to pitch like a#1 starter.

Typical

July 27th, 2012
10:01 pm

@ Steve…Well said

Rowsdower

July 27th, 2012
10:02 pm

@typical – The kid is 21 years old. There haven’t been many pitchers come up at 21 and dominate. It takes time to develop. If you had any clue about baseball, you would understand that.

No fuqing way Wren gives up Andrelton Simmons, Julio Teheran and Sean Gilmartin for a 2 month rental. That’s just stupid. Go sit in the corner and keep your mouth shut.

Busch Leaguer

July 27th, 2012
10:06 pm

Chipper=Retired in 2013
Bourn = a Nat in 2013
Uggla =hitting .150 in 2013
#1 Prospect =still in AAA in 2013
Liberty media = better bottom line in 2013

Steve

July 27th, 2012
10:07 pm

Maybe we can make the AAA playoffs!

Typical

July 27th, 2012
10:08 pm

@ Rowsdower–yeah, he’s 21, but with all the hoopla, and as protected as he has been by the organization, even you have to admit that he is somewhat of a disappointment to this point. And there have been plenty of 21 yr olds play at that level, especially the ones that have the fanfare of Teheran.

And I’ve probably played more baseball than you have, sitting on your couch with the Playstation in your hands.

This “protect them at all cost” strategy so far has won as many championships as the “trade them away” mentality, so stop being scared of winning. If you think another 14 yr dynasty is on the horizon, then you need to move out of mom and dad’s house, get a job, and wake up.

Steve

July 27th, 2012
10:12 pm

@Typical-I didn’t realize the Braves try to win championships. Fumbling Frank sure doesn’t act like there is any urgency.

Rowsdower

July 27th, 2012
10:12 pm

@typical – I said pitchers. Sure, there are plenty of position players that have been great at 21, but not many pitchers of late. You want to blow up the farm system for a 2 month rental that there is no way the Braves can resign at $20+ per year. That’s insane.

There is very little chance you’ve played more baseball than me considering, I’m almost certainly older than you, and I still play. Have a game tomorrow as a matter of fact. When was the last time you played?

Piff Bocoroba

July 27th, 2012
10:13 pm

Biff,

I’m a Mensa member. Check it out here, yo-yo:

http://www.mensa.org/

the truth...

July 27th, 2012
10:15 pm

@Typical

You chose your blog name well……………cause you are “typical” of all the blog idiots that can’t see the forest for the trees………..

None of the moves you or half of the other folks here have proposed will get us to the WS this year….

Wren is smart not to give away the future for some pipe dream that a two month rental will take us to the WS……..

Typical

July 27th, 2012
10:15 pm

Oh, and another example of holding out for the right trade….it’s a good thing we held on to Jurgens for all that he’s worth. My Jose Canseco rookie baseball card is worth more to an organization than Jair Jurgens

nick p.

July 27th, 2012
10:16 pm

asks yourselves how old were glavine and smoltz when they finally made it work in MLB, god knows it took smoltz a while with apsychologist sitting in the stands for a whole season and glavine would be the first to tell you that it took him until 1991 to get it going, after all he started in 1987 or 1988, but Tom even said himself that he was lucky he came up during a time the braves were bad and he was bad and that gave him time, starts and innings to get it together, so give teheran and delgado a chance before you want to give him up for a rental who the Braves would probably never offer close to hamel money for, Braves just dont do that anymore and thats a fact most of you know but seem to forget, after all we are probably losing Bourne ofr same reason, so now you need a pitcher and a lead off hitter again, unless simmons can take over that position, we all know Prado is a #2 hitter as they tried that already!

TexanBrave

July 27th, 2012
10:16 pm

I think we have some Braves PR interns trolling the blog like jpatt, …the truth and Busch Leaguer………..not even getting paid to be a schill……………………..Forget FW, Liberty has tied his hands….it’s a “budget” world….. look for a RH bat and a #3 at best who you’ve never heard of from the junior circuit in the next couple days

Steve

July 27th, 2012
10:17 pm

How does making it to the playoffs ONE time qualify Fumbling Frank Wren as smart?

the truth...

July 27th, 2012
10:20 pm

Sheets…….3-0

Not a bad pickup Big Frank…..

Gus2259

July 27th, 2012
10:21 pm

I don’t advocate throwing away the farm for a rental. But look at this realistically. As long as Sheets arm holds together he will be a great pickup. But after multiple surgeries and at 35 how long can we expect him to contribute? My beef is both Wren and Mcquirk have said money isn’t an issue as long as thy can justify it. Well like some have pointed out, we need to keep Bourn, find a left fielder if Prado moves to third base, re up BMac, cover regular salary increases and we are still looking for a top three rotation to match other championship caliber teams rotations as well as a number 4&5 guy to get enough wins to qualify for playoffs. Beachy will likely not be fully ready until late May or June of next year. So with Hanson pitching almost as bad as JJ and Beachy out our rotation is Huddy, Minor, Sheets (as long as his body holds up), Delgado and who?

Also as some has pointed out the cost of a real ace pitcher is now $20+ million a year so you see why I say this team is in trouble as long as Liberty will not increase payroll. I call out Wren because of the statements that Liberty is not the issue. If they are not then why do we pinch pennies and not go after needed talent. You say Grienke will be ours at the end of the year? The Angels gave up a lot of talent just to let him go at years end?

They know what it would cost to keep him and will do all they can to do so. Wren has said they don’t want to use free agents. Fine then how many top stars are needed in the farm system to actually make it to the Show and make an impact. How do you think Heyward, Freeman, and Simmons think they can stay a long time in Atlanta? Sure they can if they go at below market prices. Why would a good free agent want to come here unless the entire team is capable of winning?
Say what you will be money is an issue and that’s what is holding Atlanta back now and in the foreseeable future.

Go to the game

July 27th, 2012
10:22 pm

Sorry Braves fans, but you only have yourselves to blame. You don’t buy tickets or spend money at the concessions- stadium sits half empty unless the Yankees are in town. Teams that make money, spend money! Do you really think Wren is going to trade top prospects for a rental like Greinke. Agreed, Liberty Media is a terrible owner, but Braves fans, or lack of money-spending ones, make it very easy for them to just sit on the sidelines while other contenders make moves. GET OFF THE COUCH and go to a game!

Yogi Berra

July 27th, 2012
10:22 pm

Braves win..Sheets 3-0
Now comeback tomorrow and do it again.

bostonbravo

July 27th, 2012
10:23 pm

Get Simmons back…get rid of Uggla & Fredi…we have a slight chane..otherwise…ONLY BATISTA can save us!!!!!!

Typical

July 27th, 2012
10:23 pm

@ Rowsdower…You better get some sleep kid. I hear teeball starts early these days. Blow up a farm system? Yeah, I can’t wait until Gwinett wins a World Championship. That will be a great ticker tape parade up and down Peachtree St. At least trade and take a chance, that’s what I’m saying. As it is, the Braves won’t even make the playoffs. Heck, that’s better than last season…remember that meltdown?

@the truth..yeah, Wren is so smart…he probably won’t have a job next year. So maybe you will see him at the unemployment line. Again…read the above statement. Look at the past. If the Phillies hadn’t traded for Halliday and Lee, they don’t win the World Series 2 yrs ago. You have to take a chance. I’m glad you’re not in charge up there. We’d probably bring back Chuck James.

Don

July 27th, 2012
10:23 pm

@ Typical – you are embarasing yourself with your lack of baseball knowledge or even common sense.

Busch Leaguer

July 27th, 2012
10:25 pm

With Texas ,the LA angels of Anahiem the Yankees and the Tigers spending all the money on talent there is no way a team like the Braves can be in the world series . Oh if my memory does not fail me the St. Louis Cardinals a team that edged their way past our Braves to squeak there way into the playoffs won the world series last year. Frank stand pat and hope for the best and next year your #1 prospect might be a difference maker in the International League playoffs.The Braves fans will except mediocrity ,we have for the last 7 years.

Nativebird

July 27th, 2012
10:27 pm

Frank wren is an idiot

Steve

July 27th, 2012
10:28 pm

Fumbling Frank must be counting on a Gwinnett championship. That is the only team he is protecting by not trading. He sure isn’t helping the Braves. Too bad that Chipper has to go out with Fumbling as the GM.

Typical

July 27th, 2012
10:29 pm

@ Don..see above statements. Obviously you’re an expert

Steve

July 27th, 2012
10:32 pm

Let me get this straight. Fumbling won’t give up potential talent for proven talent? How does that make sense?

the truth...

July 27th, 2012
10:32 pm

@TexanBrave
so you think I’m a troll ???????????

Well that shows what you know…..I’ve been a Braves fan since the 50’s, long before they came to Atlanta, and most likely long before you were even a gleam in your old man’s eyes…..

I’m not a real big fan of Schuerholz primarily because of the Texeira trade and a gazillon others, especially as i look around the majors and see players all around that came up through our program….many that Big John gave away……

But he did bring Mad Dog here to pair with Smoltz and Glavine………..so between he and Cox they did accomplish quite a bit more than some blogger I’d think…..

Now we have Big Frank…..and his likeable puppet Fredi…………problem they have is they don’t have old Ted’s money to finance their game unlike Big John…..

So the key is for Big Frank to be ultra smart and maximize all the assets at his disposal….and our prospects are the assets……….

So for Big Frank to listen to some Blog idiot (maybe you’re one, are you?) demanding he give away all our assets for tomorrow to grab some supposed saviour for two months would be………….

well………….stupid………

Let’s see…. bet you’d have liked us to get Hammels yesterday wouldn’t you?…………ah perfect example….he signed for $24 million a year for 6 years…………

and got beat tonight by bumbling Big Frank’s losers……………

…..now I’m thinking there are a lot more losers here on the blog than anywhere on the Braves staff…..

NO RENTALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TideFan77

July 27th, 2012
10:36 pm

Frank Wren needs to go. Also, the team needs a real owner that wants to win. Fans go to the park when there is a chance the team will be a serious contender. While we are at it, get a higher caliber manager. This team shows flashes of the 80s Braves. There was a time when every player in the league wanted to be a Brave!

Lobosolo

July 27th, 2012
10:37 pm

Bravos have the best crybaby psuedo fans in the game… you guys should really, really, really listen to yourselves… Rafael, Steve, angry acworth azzhat, Biff, et al… wahhhhhhh, wahhhhhh, wahhhhhh…. what a bunch of the biggest idiots ever to not understand an iota about a game… what a joke..

Steve

July 27th, 2012
10:39 pm

ONE playoff speaks for itself.

Columbus

July 27th, 2012
10:42 pm

Be patient little girls…..Braves will make a move.

Braves can go after Greinke WITHOUT giving up the future for him, in the off season…..There is MORE THAN ONE TRADE DEADLINE FYI AND WILL LIKELY BE A FEW MORE SELLERS….

Wren knows whats best and much more about the details, the hit to the organization and risk of not resigning Greinke….thats the BIG PICTURE…If Greinke was NOT resignable, you would give up 2 TOP PITCHERS? I DONT THINK SO!

ALL IN DUE TIME A DEAL THAT MAKES SENSE WILL HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER….

Tampa Gator

July 27th, 2012
10:42 pm

I have been screaming for Medlen in the rotation for two weeks….forget the trade for a starter. Put Medlen in to replace JJ……Hudson, Sheets, Medlen, Minor, and the guy “anyone can steal a base on…..even me.” Trade for a late inning reliever and maybe another bench player. Then go win the thing. Medlen…if given the chance….would be a consistent 12 to 15 game winner.

Typical

July 27th, 2012
10:45 pm

No rentals, no trades, no progress, no better team, no playoffs, no world series appearance…hmmm…I see a trend here. But hey, let’s look at the “value” picks that we got at the deadline the past few years…Michael Bourne, Eric Hinske, Nate McClouth…one out of 3 aint bad. Go Gwinett Braves! 2012 AAA Champs!!

Busch Leaguer

July 27th, 2012
10:54 pm

lone wolf
Enlighten me with your baseball knowledge ,all I have ever seen you write on these blogs is insults towards Braves fans and that is about it. Fans come on these blogs to vent about there team ,and express their ideas ,Some good some bad . Braves fans have lost some faith in management team after last years near historic collapse, thanks Red Sox, maybe Wren can swing a deal before the deadline and make the team better and give the Braves fans a reason to go the ballpark.

Snarky in McDonough

July 27th, 2012
11:11 pm

I must admit, I’m getting tired of people bashing this organization for not spending money! THEY DON’T SPEND BECAUSE THEY DON’T NEED TOO!! 1B, LF, SS, RF, Closer, and the #4 spot in the rotation are ALL on the cheap! Just because a team spends money doesn’t mean they are spending wisely. The Braves and Mr. Wren are doing this the right way; fielding a team that is in the mix year in and year out. Take a look at the teams that don’t do it like the Braves: the Phillies are an aged team with no hope on the horizon, the Marlins (look how that has worked out this year) the Red Sox have no minor league system nor do the Yankees. Eventually, this kind of free spending catches up with a team. I’m not saying the Braves don’t have some holes but they are ALWAYS in a position to make it to the playoffs and you can’t win a title if you can’t make the playoffs.

kerryb

July 27th, 2012
11:13 pm

Anyone who says that we should have traded away our top one or even our top two pitching prospects to get a Zack Greinke rental for 2 months has lost control of their senses.

Steve

July 27th, 2012
11:14 pm

The Braves have been to the playoffs ONCE under Fumbling Frank Wren.

kerryb

July 27th, 2012
11:17 pm

With Hudson aging and JJ and Tommy Hanson flopping we are going to need Teheran, Delgado, Minor and Gilmartin down the road. You don’t trade those prospects that are that close to major league ready for a rental. I’d rather not make the playoffs if we had to do that because that would set us back for several years from even getting close to contending.

Busch Leaguer

July 27th, 2012
11:23 pm

Snark
The Braves have made the playoffs one time since 2006.The advantage the Phillies have over the Braves is their fans show up every year and fill the stadium. Makes it easier to justify the outlandish spending when stadium is sold out every home game. When is the last time the Ted was completely sold out?Braves act like a small market team but Atlanta metro area is hardly small market,and plenty of fortune 500 company headquarters in Atlanta . Don’t give Liberty Media a break ,they are out of town owners with no ties to the city and are only concerned about cost cutting and not the product on the field.It is past time for a local ownership group to buy the team and it is way past time for the fans of the Braves to start showing up at the stadium.

LAC

July 27th, 2012
11:23 pm

Please release frank wren, He stinks !!!!!!!!!!!!

old timer

July 27th, 2012
11:29 pm

Three names: Wainright, Feliz, and Harrison.

You can’t just give away young high potential pitchers – especially for a short term rental. We need to give our young pitchers the “proper” amount of time before cutting them loose. Delgado should not have even been called up this year but they are trying to start his learning curve early (that happens when your tight on money and don’t have an abundance of major league starting pitching). Delgado still has pitched better than Wainright did …..yes Wainright stunk too when we first brought him up. ……do you guys remember that? Teheran will be called up in September and Gilmartin has been bumped up to AAA. The learning curve is in full bloom.

Remember that Harrison was just a throw-in for Tex. It took him a few years (and many bumps in the road) but he’s now one of the Rangers top rotation pitchers. Don’t even get me started on the other throw-in, Feliz. I’m also old enough to remember how “awful” Glavine was when he first came up. Guess he turned out OK? Glad we didn’t trade him away. JJ is our only picther that should be considered in any trade discussions for a rental or 1 year deal. You guys think JJ is done? A change of scenery make work wonders for him.

Alaska Braves Fan

July 27th, 2012
11:32 pm

Those of you who are so over-the-top critical of Frank Wren: If it were in my power to give you the opportunity to function as a General Manager by committee, I would. (Well, not really; I’m not into intentional disasters.) Please compare the Braves stats with those of the rest of the NL. Just how bad is FW? Actually, he’s very, very good. I don’t always agree with him, but very often, he is proven to be correct. Also, many of you contemplate moves that require unlimited funds, and have no sense of how that plays out overall. Wren – any actual GM – doesn’t have that luxury.

In a few words: You’re not competent to criticize the work of an MLB GM!!

ABF

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