Wren says Dempster deal now ‘highly unlikely’

MIAMI – The Braves’ Ryan Dempster trade proposal is either dead or on life support with little hope of recovery.

The Chicago Cubs pitcher, who has trade-veto rights as a player with 10 years of major league service and at least five with his current team, has blocked the trade to the Braves so far, hoping he’d instead be traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

“It’s highly unlikely that we make that deal,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said Wednesday morning. “No, it’s not dead. But I’m not going to paint us in a corner…. We’ve moved on. From very early on, when it became a question [of whether Dempster would approve the deal], we didn’t stop scouting, we didn’t stop having discussions with other clubs. We’ve moved on.”

With the Dodgers unwilling to part with the top prospect that Chicago asked for, the Cubs indicated Wednesday they would keep Dempster and offer him a one-year qualifying offer for 2013. That would assure they’d get a compensatory draft pick if he leaves as a free agent.

The Braves were believed to have offered rookie starting pitcher Randall Delgado to the Cubs for Dempster, and the Cubs agreed to the deal. Delgado was ranked as a top-50 prospect by Baseball America before each of the past two seasons.

Wren said Tuesday that the proposed deal wasn’t dead, and the Braves seemed hopeful that Dempster would change his position if the Dodgers continued their refusal to meet the Cubs’ trade demands. Manager Fredi Gonzalez said when he chatted with Wren at about 11 p.m. Tuesday, he didn’t mention any change in the Dempster situation.

But when Wren did an interview on the Braves’ Atlanta 680-AM flagship radio station Wednesday morning, he said that “certain parameters” of the deal had expired on Tuesday and that the Braves had moved on and were highly unlikely to make the Dempster deal.

A couple of hours later, Wren was asked about that interview and whether things had changed since Tuesday.

“All I said this morning – and I think I told you guys last night – I said that it’s highly unlikely that we make that deal,” he said. “We had certain parameters that expired yesterday. I’m not going to get into great detail on this, other than to say there were certain parameters for us that expired. And the Cubs were fully aware of it and understood.”

Wren would not discuss other starting pitchers the Braves are pursuing before Tuesday’s non-waiver trade deadline, but they are known to have some interest in Milwaukee ace Zack Greinke, Boston’s Jon Lester and possibly Tampa Bay’s James Shields. They haven’t pursued Minnesota’s Francisco Liriano and the Cubs’ Matt Garza.

With the Marlins now in sale mode — they traded away Hanley Ramirez to the Dodgers in the middle of the night after Tuesday’s loss to the Braves — it’s possible the Braves could try to trade for Miami’s Josh Johnson, who dominated Atlanta hitters once again on Monday. But teams are usually reluctant to trade such impact players to division opponents.

The Braves were expected to be among teams in on Greinke if he hits free agency this winter, and Wren indicated again this week they won’t give up multiple prospects for a rental player during the season if they can’t re-sign him to a contract extension.

The bar may have been raised a bit more on the Greinke future contract talks after Philadelphia gave Cole Hamels a six-year, $144 million extension this week. Greinke reportedly turned down a recent five-year, $100-plus million offer from the Brewers.

The Braves were second on Dempster’s ranked list of desirable teams among those pursuing him, behind the Dodgers. Wren and Gonzalez have known Dempster since all were in the Marlins organization in the late 1990s. Dempster was considering family issues and his friendship with Dodgers pitcher Ted Lilly when he told the Cubs he would take his time making a decision.

“I think we understand the situation because of our knowledge of Ryan, probably more so than others,” Wren said Tuesday. “It’s a big decision for him. I think he’s being very thoughtful with the process.”

But with the trade deadline looming in six days, the Braves also understood they couldn’t stand idle waiting for Dempster, who made his scheduled start Wednesday for the Cubs.

The Braves want to add a frontline starter to a rotation that has gotten steady work from Tim Hudson but no one else since Brandon Beachy sustained a season-ending injury. The Braves’ 4.31 starters’ ERA was the third-highest in the National League before Wednesday.

Aside from Hudson, Tommy Hanson has been erratic, Ben Sheets has been outstanding in two starts since the Braves signed him after a two-year layoff, and left-hander Mike Minor struggled early but has made strides in recent weeks.

Jair Jurrjens has had a terrible season and regressed again in his last two starts. With an off day in the schedule Thursday, the Braves will push back or skip Jurrjens’ next scheduled turn and start Sheets, Minor and Hudson, in that order, in the series against Philadelphia that starts Friday.

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Ray

July 25th, 2012
12:45 pm

Good Deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IndyRay

July 25th, 2012
12:46 pm

Go Braves!!!!!!!!!!!!

TuffShhhtuff

July 25th, 2012
12:47 pm

Bye Bye, Dempsey Dumpster, don’t let the garbage truck hit you in the butt on the way out!

BigDawg

July 25th, 2012
12:47 pm

Go for the gold!

Keith

July 25th, 2012
12:49 pm

Now my top pitchers would be in order of rank:
#1 – Johnson
#2 – Greinke
#3 – Shields

Keith

July 25th, 2012
12:49 pm

If they don’t get a pitcher, I say that it’s time for Medlen to take JJ’s place in the rotation. :)

Marteen is a Ballplayer

July 25th, 2012
12:50 pm

Dempster seems a bit of a primadonna, or at the very least, comes off as a petulant child. Obviously, I don’t know all the details, but we are talking about pitching for a possible contender for no more than three-months. Dodgers or bust only? Really?

jim

July 25th, 2012
12:51 pm

DOB…Why has Medlen not been given a shot at the rotation?

SouthGa Brave

July 25th, 2012
12:51 pm

First ! Don’t trade Delgado for a rental.

gator

July 25th, 2012
12:51 pm

time to apologize for accusing others of spreading misinformation when they reported the deal in it’s original form was off the table yesterday afternoon?

RaleighDawg

July 25th, 2012
12:52 pm

…and yet another vacation day for Chipper…geez…

BUGGSY

July 25th, 2012
12:52 pm

Good! then lets get JOSH JOHNSON “if he is healthy.And move on to other trades that will help us get into playoffs..Thanks You Dempster!!!

SouthGa Brave

July 25th, 2012
12:52 pm

Not first afterall….

Hypocrite Hunter

July 25th, 2012
12:52 pm

All excellent news. Braves trying to improve. Quality pitcher exercising rights to which he is completely entitled. Braves looking in other directions. Good stuff.

shlomo

July 25th, 2012
12:55 pm

Didn’t you tell us with Wren andFfredi’s realtionship with Dempster he would definitely want to join the Braves? I guess not.

boondawg

July 25th, 2012
12:58 pm

Getting close to the end of the career Chip. Gonna have plenty of time to rest before long plus you have an off day tomorrow.

Gwinnett Fred

July 25th, 2012
12:59 pm

Yes, the Braves are TRYING to improve, but it’s fairly obvious that anybody that comes here will be needing/wanting a multi year contract – and if it’s somebody that would really help – our glorious owners won’t pony up the money to make it happen.

Time-Warner “baseball owner division” should rename themselves the ASG-New York Branch!

brad

July 25th, 2012
1:00 pm

I just don’t understand how Wren is allowed to stay in baseball. He destroyed the Orioles, and he’s proven in Atlanta to be completely clueless at best…

Barry

July 25th, 2012
1:01 pm

Very frustrating. Dave, have they discussed a package offering JJ and Delgado for Lester or Shields? I think the Cubs, who obviously are rebuilding from the ground up, are just asking too much for a 35-year-old rental.

P Rose

July 25th, 2012
1:01 pm

When he gave his speech to the NL players before the All-Star game, Chipper said, You’ve got to go out there EVERY. DAY. All right? You’ve got to give 100% EVERY. DAY. All right? You’ve got to try to help your team win EVERY. DAY.”

Unless, of course, you’re the star of the league, and it’s a day game, or you’ve played two games in a row already, or last night’s game went extra innings, or you’re having flu-like symptoms.

what of it?

July 25th, 2012
1:02 pm

considering he vetoed the trade last night, I’d say it’s definitely not happening.

Barry

July 25th, 2012
1:05 pm

Greinke will come at a cost and I don’t like Johnson because he stays hurt.

Barry

July 25th, 2012
1:06 pm

Lester or Shields would be better options. Both have playoff experience.

Hankie Aron

July 25th, 2012
1:07 pm

You’d have to want Josh Johnson now but you would probably have to blow the Marlins over to pry him away. My best guess is that the Braves settle in on Francisco Liriano or James Shields. I think Matt Garza may be injured so that probably knocks him out.

Julio Santanar

July 25th, 2012
1:07 pm

Hanley Ramirez being traded is BIG news. He is considered the best 5 tool player in MLB by many.

urban redneck

July 25th, 2012
1:08 pm

Barry

July 25th, 2012
1:08 pm

A change might do Lester some good.

Hankie Aron

July 25th, 2012
1:08 pm

I would really like Jon Lester but what would the Red Sox required to get him? What you guys think we would have to give up to get Lester?

Mxpxboy

July 25th, 2012
1:08 pm

When I asked Dave on twitter yesterday if the Braves were looking at Josh Johnson he said he couldn’t see the Marlins trading within the division. But after several of us reminded him of the Uggla trade, he now says Johnson is a possibility? It’s cool knowing that we fans sometimes are ahead of the Beat writers.

Hankie Aron

July 25th, 2012
1:09 pm

Julio- Those precious 5 tools you speak of doesn’t include anything between his ears. You know?

Charles Barkley

July 25th, 2012
1:11 pm

Hanley is a knuckle-head

Kris Medlen

July 25th, 2012
1:12 pm

I agree. Put me in the rotation.

PMC

July 25th, 2012
1:13 pm

I’m really disappointed Jair isn’t working out. The guy was really good for a while.

Bill

July 25th, 2012
1:14 pm

Fred Time-Warner does not own the Braves. Liberty Media does. They are based in Denver believe. They are absentee bean counters that do not care about winning,only turning a profit matters.

I will cheer the Braves from afar but will not set foot in Turner Field until the team is sold to someone who wants to win.

Since the Marlins are in fire sale mode I say go see how cheap they can get Johnson. While talking to them may as well see if Stanton is available. I know he is on the DL but he would fix the power in the outfield problem.

PMC

July 25th, 2012
1:14 pm

Perhaps the Marlins willingness to trade Dan Uggla in the division should have been a warning to us.

He’s obviously got the potential to be a good power hitter, but he’s either on or off. Mostly, he’s off.

MichaelB

July 25th, 2012
1:15 pm

Let’s see if we can trade Uggla back to Florida. We’ll take any farmhand they’ve got for him.

PMC

July 25th, 2012
1:15 pm

From the other perspective, what makes us want to give the Marlins a bounty of young pitchers, to get ONE Josh Johnson?

The Huggla

July 25th, 2012
1:16 pm

My hot is hot, but my cold is freezing.

Adam

July 25th, 2012
1:17 pm

Fine let him stay. Its way to much to give up Delgato for a 2 month rental.

Chop

July 25th, 2012
1:18 pm

I’m glad this deal fell through, but Wren’s track record is marginal at best. If he is the Braves “closer” it might be time to search for bullpen help.

The Huggla

July 25th, 2012
1:18 pm

Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come.

eddie57

July 25th, 2012
1:20 pm

Ecstatic that Ugglier is sitting out today. Better defense at 2nd and at least a chance of a hit for his replacement. None of the rental pitchers are worth Delgado and Lester is having a terrible year so let’s just see how the pitchers we have do. Unless Worthless Wren can pull a steal by trading Ugglier and JJ for a serviceable relief pitcher let’s stand pat for now.

Less time on music lyrics, more on reporting

July 25th, 2012
1:20 pm

MxPxBoy, right on. In their rush to report a scoop, the media, including our own DOB, jumped the gun (DOB’s tweated it was a “done deal.”) The social media/internet era has eroded reporting skills–you’d think DOB or Bowman or someone would’ve called Dempster or his agent to confirm the “done deal” instead of relying on a team source (unless the team source lied and said the player approved it).

Oh well…hopefully Huddy isn’t too ticked off this time, LOL…remember the faux Griffey trade a few years ago? I believe he and DOB got into it a bit in the clubhouse over that one…

urban redneck

July 25th, 2012
1:20 pm

if we’re making a wish list within our division, i’d like hunter pence

Julio Santanar

July 25th, 2012
1:20 pm

Players get paid to hit and play baseball not to be smart. Pedro Guerrero had a 1st grade education but played 18 years and made millions.

Charles Barkley

July 25th, 2012
1:22 pm

Pedro and Vlad Guerrero were great players who played the game right. Hanley is a knucklehead.

Julio Santanar

July 25th, 2012
1:23 pm

As long as Hanley Ramirez has 5 tools skills a brain isnt even required…

The REAL JJ

July 25th, 2012
1:24 pm

Why’s he calling me meat? I’m the one driving a Porsche.

urban redneck

July 25th, 2012
1:25 pm

blaming DOB for something that everyone and their mother (except the dumpster)had confirmed? i don’t think so.

bobbymahlon

July 25th, 2012
1:25 pm

GOOD DEAL NO DEAL

Yogi Berra

July 25th, 2012
1:25 pm

Baseball is ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.

cowdogit

July 25th, 2012
1:26 pm

Why is it we never hear McDowell give his input on the pitchers the braves are trying to sign. I don’t think he has much say about anything. He’s only on the payroll because of his friendship with Cox.

G

July 25th, 2012
1:26 pm

Waiting for Frank Wren to say, “We are going to move forward with the make up if this team. We feel Ben Sheets can be a frontline pitcher and that Tommy Hanson will get things straightened out. On top of that I have my resume ready because I will be fired after the season.”

Bus Driver

July 25th, 2012
1:27 pm

Hanley rides the short bus to the park everyday.

Ry

July 25th, 2012
1:27 pm

Bravos playing the Marlin’s AAA team today….but still can’t hit the ball. Should be looking for a hitter instead of a pitcher.

MichaelB

July 25th, 2012
1:27 pm

Okay. I rescind my Uggla to Florida trade for any farmhand they’ve got. We’ll trade him for any bat boy or ball girl they’ve got. We’ll throw in Jurrjens to sweeten the deal. How can you say no to that?

Jose Constanza

July 25th, 2012
1:28 pm

Yeah, I was in the show. I was in the show for 21 days once – the 21 greatest days of my life. You know, you never handle your luggage in the show, somebody else carries your bags. It was great. You hit white balls for batting practice, the ballparks are like cathedrals, the hotels all have room service, and the women all have long legs and brains.

ryan

July 25th, 2012
1:31 pm

Dodgers will have two problem children Hanley Ramirez and now Demster good luck LA handling those clowns .

ideasbm

July 25th, 2012
1:31 pm

Why are you people so in love with Delgado. His fastball is straight as an arrow. Any major leaguer worth his salt can hit his fastball. No movement at all. I would trade him for a couple Varsity chili dogs. Start Medlen.

Charlie

July 25th, 2012
1:31 pm

The death of the Dempster deal is GREAT news. Dempster is not the answer to anything in Atlanta.
Tommy Hanson is really lousy. Lousy mechanics. Lousy command. His ball is the easiest to pick up in MLB. Always hyped, Tommy is a gopher ball machine, and a #5 starter, at best. He sure does eat innings. Pretty much a bust.

Blue

July 25th, 2012
1:32 pm

You Chipper haters are funny…not ‘ha ha funny’…but the ‘you’re an idiot’ kind of funny. Julio; Ramirez batting .247 with 14 HR and 47 RBI? Sounds about average to me…

Hanley Ramirez

July 25th, 2012
1:33 pm

What’s all this molecule stuff?

Ry

July 25th, 2012
1:33 pm

The Braves should try and trade for Chase Headley and he can be the 3rd baseman for the next couple of years.

ryan

July 25th, 2012
1:34 pm

I hope we can at least get Greikie i don’t think Wren comes out bad in this if anything its bad PR for Demster i am not fan of Wren but its not his fault this time .

LawDawg

July 25th, 2012
1:35 pm

ummm…so do Dempster and Lilly have some type of brokeback mountain thing going on? Otherwise, I fail to see how friend and family issues make that much of a deal for a 4-month long temporary job with a contender.

I have to assume this guy is not a competitor if he does not want to come to a team that is playoff bound unless his little baseball buddy is there. No one is saying you have to move to Atlanta permanently.

The Huggla

July 25th, 2012
1:36 pm

A good friend of mine used to say, “This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains.” Think about that for a while.

Buddy Landel

July 25th, 2012
1:36 pm

4 walks, 5 stolen bases allowed, and 2 doubles thru 2 1/3 innings. Hanson killing our bullpen.

SOS Braves

July 25th, 2012
1:37 pm

Get rid of Hansen.

RaleighDawg

July 25th, 2012
1:37 pm

Four stolen bases in three innings…you’d think at some point professional pride alone would cause Hanson, Fredi, Roger, or anyone with professional pride in the Braves organization to step in and…oh, never mind, asked and answered…

The Huggla

July 25th, 2012
1:37 pm

Ryan — You also appear to not be a fan of punctuation and grammar.

NO O

July 25th, 2012
1:37 pm

GREAT! We don’t need some whiney butt who don’t want to be here. Go to the left coast so you can be with your friend.

Ry

July 25th, 2012
1:38 pm

I remember when Hanson was in the minors and he was untouchable from a trade standpoint….this is how pitching prospects turn out more often than not.

The Huggla

July 25th, 2012
1:38 pm

SOS — It’s Hanson. We have no Hansen.

LawDawg

July 25th, 2012
1:40 pm

“We don’t need some whiney butt who don’t want to be here. ”

That is the worst sentence I have ever read. Our school system has failed you.

SOS Braves

July 25th, 2012
1:40 pm

Knew it was just a matter of time before that POS Hansen would give up runs. And of course we cant hit their POS pitcher. Jeez.

SOS Braves

July 25th, 2012
1:41 pm

I wish we had no Hanson or Hansen.

David O'Brien

July 25th, 2012
1:41 pm

Today we’ve been reminded that Hanson can’t bunt, and teams that try can exploit the heck out of his slow move home.

Class dismissed.

Charlie Sheen

July 25th, 2012
1:41 pm

DUH WINNING !

Bruce Sutter

July 25th, 2012
1:42 pm

I owe yall sum starts……

War Eagle

July 25th, 2012
1:42 pm

Time Warner does not own the Braves- it is Liberty Media out of Colorado.
Braves should not trade Delgado- they have moved him up too fast. He went from AA to AAA to Majors in less than two yrs- you can’t do that and expect the kid to last. Delgado needs to go back to AAA and the Braves need to just ride out the season. You don’t trade a guy who could be a Smoltz or Glavine in two to three years for a rent a pitcher now. The Braves kept the starting three in the minors until they were ready in the 1990’s and you see how many years they got from them.

Reason

July 25th, 2012
1:43 pm

Listen to me. Historically, the Braves do well against Nolasco.

Charlie

July 25th, 2012
1:44 pm

Hanson / McCann are BRAIN DEAD. They throw another breaking ball to Ruggiano (who doubled on one last time up). Hanson throws him another one…for a two out RBI. Talk about STUPID. Apparently, that Tommy is an idiot. Not a brain in his head. Unbelievable. STUPID , STUPID, STUPID. Totally brain DEAD. Nice job.

Buddy Landel

July 25th, 2012
1:44 pm

War Eagle- Many pitchers go from AA to the majors in less than 2 years. That’s no issue.

That guy

July 25th, 2012
1:47 pm

And how about Marla Hooch? What a hitter.

Uran Idiot

July 25th, 2012
1:48 pm

For those of you who call yourselves Braves Fans (who barely pack the Ted Half-full) Dempster ranks as one the most involved players outside of the stadium. He is a true character individual who is well respected. He is a 5/10 player who has earned the right to veto ANY trade regardless of what you boneheads think the reasons are. He has a family in Arizona and a daughter who has beaten grave odds to be alive. He will sign a longer term contract with the team that he signs with as long as that team has an Arizona Spring Training site. He is not a rental.

Lou Brown

July 25th, 2012
1:49 pm

Forget about the curve ball, Tommy. Give him the heater!

Lou Brown

July 25th, 2012
1:50 pm

I’d be happy to have a few players who are involved INSIDE of the stadium.

Tommy Hanson

July 25th, 2012
1:50 pm

What heater? I thought I lost that a couple of years ago.

sirluciouscp

July 25th, 2012
1:52 pm

Hanson sucks just like Dempster. And these idiots are willing to give up an extremely promising rookie for this clown. Adding mediocore palefaces by subtracting talent of Color won’t work.

Skip

July 25th, 2012
1:52 pm

You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you?

David O'Brien

July 25th, 2012
1:52 pm

Francisco CRUSHED that 2-run bomb

gator

July 25th, 2012
1:52 pm

time to apologize for accusing others of spreading misinformation when they reported the deal in it’s original form was off the table yesterday afternoon?

The Race Card

July 25th, 2012
1:53 pm

sirluciouscp — You really didn’t need to play me, bro.

Bruce Sutter

July 25th, 2012
1:54 pm

I owe yall some starts….

Juan Francisco

July 25th, 2012
1:54 pm

Juan Francisco

July 25th, 2012
1:55 pm

DOB, how you like me now?!?

Julio Santanar

July 25th, 2012
1:55 pm

Hanley missed about 20 games due to injury too. Any team in MLB would take him. But if the guy that uses 2000 different blog names doesnt like Hanley then hes not a good player. Get a life and a job.

Julio Santanar

July 25th, 2012
1:57 pm

DOB, why dont you filter this guy posting under 2000 fake names ? It is 2012 and not 1999 ya know. A simple isp filter would stop it.

Chief Knock-A-Homa

July 25th, 2012
1:58 pm

DOB – do you think Greinke or Johnson is at the top of the wish list for Wren now??

And, honestly, as someone who prefers not to get him now, it concerns me that he has said Dempster is off the table now… Isn’t that usually the sure sign that a deal is about to go down??!

The guy that uses 2000 different blog names

July 25th, 2012
1:59 pm

Julio — I have a job … and I’m at it … right now … doing nothing … because I have a good job …

Now go clean up that spill on aisle 3 before an old lady slips and breaks her hip.

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