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reckingball
July 26th, 2012
10:58 am
How does someone know that Sheets is not going to be ‘healthy’ for the remainder of the season?
Such a person has to be a billionare(they can see into the future, I am thinking).
I wish that I could see just one hour into the future.
JJ might could be traded for a lower level(single A or rookie league) prospect, if the Braves pay the rest of his paycheck for 2012.
Yogi Berra
July 26th, 2012
11:02 am
How many times do Coaches get credit for anything. The MGR gets it all.
Just like the pitcher gets the win most of the time for what his team mates do, not him.
Yogi Berra
July 26th, 2012
11:07 am
Yes maybe a new voice would help JJ..and other pitchers.
Amber Girl
July 26th, 2012
11:11 am
@ Mr Yogi Berra Is this what you call venting?
Tumbledown
July 26th, 2012
11:29 am
I actually believe Mazzone to be a better pitching coach than McDowell. However, I don’t believe he is quite as good as some may believe or that McDowell is as bad as some seem to believe. Would Mazzone’s methods work as well with the current Braves’ crop of pitchers, I do not know.
cowdogit
July 26th, 2012
11:50 am
It’s unbelievable that anyone could think McDowell, after seven years has not produced even one top of the line starter, could be anything more than a Bobby Cox friend.
Yogi Berra
July 26th, 2012
11:52 am
@Amber-call it what you wish?
“The truth”
Just ask reckingball my friend he’s smarter than a 5th grader..but he’s a great fan!
Yogi Berra
July 26th, 2012
11:53 am
amber forget the Mr.
Heisenberg
July 26th, 2012
12:00 pm
Sadly, it looks like JJJ is done. Forget trading for a starter, I like Medlen in the rotation then using Delgado in the middle relief role. Hopefully Moylan will be available soon and bullpen will be in good shape for stretch run.
Uggla makes his best contact on pitches pulled foul down left field line before striking out on breaking balls in the dirt. For the life of me I cannot understand why he would not move up in the batters box (closer to pitcher) so he would not be so far out in front and maybe a few of those foul balls would be fair. Try it Danny Boy – what have you got to loose?
reckingball
July 26th, 2012
12:07 pm
Uggla is not in a slump, he just ain’t hittin’ right now.
BrandonLee49
July 26th, 2012
12:16 pm
In five innings we steal seven bases walk like seven times, three doubles and we only score once. You think about it and you check your head how that can happen.”.. yep that would happen if you’ve got a carbon copy of Sesame st, sitting in the opposing dugout, namely Ozzie Guillan. Apparently mr. dense has no clue how to Move Runners to get Actual Runs Scored, any better than we do… Again the Braves Live or Die by the Homerun.
No Creative Manufactoring of Runs whatsoever.. When The Homeruns Die out – So Do the Braves… September is coming hard like a Freight Train at Midnight.
reckingball
July 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
Like I said before, I just hate it when the Braves score by hitting homeruns.
They should only hit singles, to score their runs, that’s real baseball.
Amber Girl
July 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
@ Yogi Berra I will take off the Mr. Mom told me to be respectful.
Amber Girl
July 26th, 2012
12:20 pm
@ Mr reckingball Are you trying to be funny? Maybe just venting.
BrandonLee49
July 26th, 2012
12:23 pm
At Lesat Leo had a “Method”, McDowell and Sesame St, have No CLue What they’re doing, just let’em go out and Do Whatever They’ll Do– That’s their “Approach”, and Come September, it will be “Crying Towels”.
Coaches get PAID to COACH, not sit back and Vent against an UMPIRE Once every six weeks… The Braves have NO Mentoring DIRECTION… There is a VAST DESERT in the Coaching Dept. Players Deserve BETTER.
Stuntteam
July 26th, 2012
12:36 pm
7walks,7stolen bases, 7so, and only give up 1run. I think he battled and is a good pitcher. He is still young with great stuff. Y’all need to chill and watch da man work. He has won 11 games. How many pitchers have done that this yr thus far? @stuntteam
Caseyatthebat
July 26th, 2012
12:39 pm
Greinke, Hudson, Sheets, Medlin, Minor……….Post season.
Tumbledown
July 26th, 2012
12:41 pm
For the Braves, real baseball occurs only when they score runs off of singles AND Constanza is on the roster.
norman wolfe
July 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
mr. ob-u do not “allow” walks.
reckingball
July 26th, 2012
12:45 pm
Hanson has 11 wins, on his record this year, but I don’t think that HE has won all 11 of those games.
nuh uh
July 26th, 2012
12:52 pm
I pressed Ctrl + F and typed in “medlin” to see how many times you people spelled Medlen wrong. I got 7. 4 of which were by Ken Stallings. I think that’s an improvement.
P.S. No one has spelled Jurrjens’ name with a ‘G’ yet. Keep up the good work.
Amber Girl
July 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
Could someone please tell me what Mr reckingball is talking about. I guess I am dumb. I don’t understand what he is saying.
Amber Girl
July 26th, 2012
12:56 pm
Mr nuh uh What is the correct spelling? Isn’t it MedlEn?
DawgDad
July 26th, 2012
1:00 pm
I don’t see why Delgado is apparently getting pushed out of the rotation or dangled as trade bait. Hanson has a longer track record, but at this point Randall is pitching better than he is and Minor certainly isn’t any more reliable. The Braves main issue seems to be none of these guys are getting deep into games on a consistent basis.
It would have been a mistake to trade Delgado for Dempster, and I’m glad the deal fell through.
reckingball
July 26th, 2012
1:08 pm
I am not a GM, but I did drive through the parking lot of a Holliday Inn Express once.
Hanson might not have as high a value as Delgado, but he would be the one that I would be shopping around to the rest of MLB.
Caseyatthebat
July 26th, 2012
1:10 pm
Nuh uh, now that you’ve made your contribution to our society, go play in the traffic. Your baseball insight is so enlightening!
nuh uh
July 26th, 2012
1:16 pm
Oh yeah, here’s my baseball insight. Delgado for Dempster is dumb. Medlen in the rotation is a huge upgrade over Jurrjens. Then, you still have Delgado around for a little mop-up/long relief duties in the bullpen. Delgado has been very effective at times for a few innings, but one he has a bad inning he falls apart. He’s young, he’ll learn. For now, long relief for the stretch run might be a good idea for him.
Caseyatthebat
July 26th, 2012
1:47 pm
Medlen is valuable both as a reliever and starter but I think the rotation is a higher priority. So I agree. I would trade any prospect for Greinke but Delgado reluctantly. Had he received more run support I think he’d be valued even higher.His last time out he handled his difficult inning well and made definite progress that has seemed to attract little recognition. I view him as a starter though and would not like to see him integrated into the bullpen. I think we dodged a bullet not getting Dempster if we had to give up Delgado. By the way, JJ, though I like him, has to go and I wonder what we could get for Hanson. As I said earlier, Greinke, Hudson, Sheets, Medlin and Minor (or Delgado).
nuh uh
July 26th, 2012
2:14 pm
make that 8 misspellings of medlen…..
I agree with getting rid of Jurrjens though. Even when he was putting up good numbers I think he was getting a lot of luck. His peripheral numbers have never been anything special. It was just a matter of time before his luck changed. And Greinke would be great, but I think the asking price is too high unless the Brewers do what the Cubs are reportedly doing with Dempster negotiations–giving teams a window to negotiate an extension before finalizing the trade. If for some reason Greinke agrees to an extension with the Braves rather than testing the free agent market, then I’m all for that.
Tumbledown
July 26th, 2012
2:22 pm
I believe the Braves should demote Jurrgens to the bullpen, promote Medlin to the starting rotation, and work out a decent trade for Grienke!
ijudgenot
July 26th, 2012
2:30 pm
Putting JJ in the bullpen would be rediculous. A reliever has to have (1) over powering fastball that he can throw past hitters, or (2) accurate control such that he can throw strikes to either side of plate. JJ has neither of these things right now.
Tumbledown
July 26th, 2012
2:32 pm
Oh, I meant to say the Gwinnett Braves’ bullpen for JJ!
Why?
July 26th, 2012
2:43 pm
Kincade is really sounding like an idiot today “more so than usual.” He keeps insisting that Greinke isn’t coming to the Braves. Has he not been following?!?!??!?! I hope the Braves do trade for him just to hear his reaction.
Dirty Dawg
July 26th, 2012
2:43 pm
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DawgDad
July 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
Sadly, JJ needs to go back to AAA or maybe a AAAA team like the Royals, Astros, or Mariners.
Reality screams the Braves will need AT LEAST six starters to get through the season, probably more. The odd-man out in the rotation needs to be in AAA or pitching long relief, and I mean LONG relief, not onesy-twosy inning stuff.
I want to see more of Delgado as a starter. His last couple of outings have been fine.
Vesaversa
July 26th, 2012
2:49 pm
The Braves terrible pitching have become a epidemic ..we went from becoming one of the best pitching teams to the worst in baseball and that worry me . There will be no championship run until the Braves get consistence pitching from their starters. Dempster probably notice that too.
Tumbledown
July 26th, 2012
2:57 pm
I just hope that Wren does not resurrect the Dempster for Delgado trade if other options do not pan out. I do not want to see Dempster pitching for us.
jc
July 26th, 2012
3:17 pm
I bet JJ will go to another team and next year return to his 2011 form.
skep
July 26th, 2012
3:18 pm
Frank, let the Dodgers have Dempster unless they will take Jurrgens. With the stupid contracts the Phillies, Giants, Yanks etc are giving to players that only play every 5th game forget about Greinke. I thought Lowes 15 mil was crazy now the idiot GM’s have upped it to 24 mil. That’s 750k a start if they stay healthy. Guaranteeing a guy 144 million is insanity.
Why?
July 26th, 2012
3:21 pm
@skep…..Thats the going rate now for a true ace. The days of $15 mil are gone.
jc
July 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
I pressed ctrl + amber and it said =boy
I won’t give the name.
jc
July 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
Is that stimulus money?
skep
July 26th, 2012
3:30 pm
I am a long time baseball fan and it does get old watching the Yankees with a 10 to 30 million player at every position who used to play for small market teams that can’t afford to keep their stars. Football has a better system.
Amber Girl
July 26th, 2012
3:31 pm
I am here Mr jc. Just got back. If you want to ask something go ahead,But please don’t talk about me behind my back.
nuh uh
July 26th, 2012
3:33 pm
he’s not talking about you behind your back. he’s talking about you on a very public blog.
Not Larry the cable guy
July 26th, 2012
3:38 pm
Constanza should stay on the roster, speed never slumps, looks like Hinske is fat & done, he needs to go dh in the AL. MUST resign Bourn, were stuck with Uggly, Simmons looks like a keeper, Ross IS our bench, Prado moves to 3rd next year. We STILL need a better rotation & a new 3rd sacker???? FW lets git er done
timthebrave
July 26th, 2012
3:40 pm
I got a brilliant idea. WHY NOT START MEDLEN without giving up the future? He has been successful at it before and has pitched great all year. Go Braves!
Amber Girl
July 26th, 2012
3:43 pm
What does he want. I don’t understand?
ROB
July 26th, 2012
3:56 pm
I can’t believe there are fans on here that are content with just moving Medlen into the rotation instead of making a deal for a top of the rotation guy. Sometimes you have to make a gamble to be a contender and Teheran isn’t exactly as hot a prospect as he looked this time last year. Its Chippers last year, Bourn probably gone after this year, Mac FA after 2013, they have to go for it now
ROB
July 26th, 2012
3:57 pm
Timthebrave: Do you trust Medlen to start a playoff game, and by the way who replaces his valuable innings out of the ‘pen when he is moved to the rotation? Come on guys think the process through
Jeremy
July 26th, 2012
4:13 pm
@PaulG I didn’t read all the way through the comments so I’m not sure if I’m the first, but I think Fredi is a problem. The reason is that he makes poor decisions. He makes poor decisions in nearly every game. He often makes decisions that decrease the Braves’ chances of winning – sometimes by a little & sometimes by a lot.
These aren’t decisions that are poor because they didn’t work out. Some of his bad decisions work out and some don’t…same for his good decisions.
If the Braves are winning and Fredi gets criticized, people like you say things like, “I guess they should have won 8-1, huh?” or “If they are winning, he must be doing something right.” If the Braves are losing and Fredi gets criticized, people like you say that he’s being made a scapegoat and that it’s the players who win/lose ballgames. And that’s true. Win or lose, the players always have more of an impact than the manager. However, in those games where Fredi’s decisions affect the outcome of the game, he makes more bad decisions than good.
I’m not sure if I would like him to be fired. I know that having the respect of the players is a big part of managing and a part that Fredi (like Bobby) seems to be pretty good at. I think maybe making decisions that aren’t tactically sound but are “the way it’s always been done” might be something that players respect, unfortunately. Many of the players aren’t geniuses, after all. It’s just a theory.
reckingball
July 26th, 2012
4:31 pm
Yes, I do trust Medlen to start a playoff game.
The Braves could make a trade for a middle reliever without having to give up any of their top of the line prospects.
I think that Delgado could take over for Medlen in the pen.
I also think that Delgado could go back into the rotation, and do a good job.
The kid is near the bottom of the pile, in run support for starting pitchers in MLB.
If Wren trades Delgado, I think that it will be a very big mistake.
My opin.
Process thought through.
ROB
July 26th, 2012
4:34 pm
Ha reckingball – we agree to disagree, we will wait and see, hoping that no matter what happens, it works out. I’d love to be proven wrong by Wren and the boys.
Amber Girl
July 26th, 2012
4:38 pm
Gentlemen Please don’t get carried away with your venting. We’re all Brave fans here.
CRMAC300
July 26th, 2012
5:14 pm
Where is this trade Prado stuff coming from? Braves would be crazy to trade Prado. All the Braves need right now is an upgrade on the bench, another decent arm in the bullpen, and Medlen in the starting rotation. A starting five of Hudson, Hanson, Minor, Sheets and Medlen will take them to the post season. Get Uggla going somehow, a cattle prod comes to mind, and get Simmons back at short and the Braves are set. No traded needed! Don’t trade Delgado!
Beltrans Right Ear Mole
July 26th, 2012
6:59 pm
‘Where is this trade Prado stuff coming from? Braves would be crazy to trade Prado’
Wren spent last off season making sure every cow in Texas knew he would gladly trade JJ and Prado. But recently I heard the Braves were trying to sign him to an extension. If I am Martin, after hearing myself dangled one whole off-season, I’d run far away from Wren.
Beltrans Right Ear Mole
July 26th, 2012
7:01 pm
If Uggla is making any adjustments I am not seeing it. His head flies around likes waterwiggle.
Beltrans Right Ear Mole
July 26th, 2012
7:10 pm
Trading Delgado would become a world class blunder. But it appears he doesn’t get along or something. Why else they would be talking such nonsense?
>B?He’s the only Brave starter that can top 93mph regularly. Is he not?
Unless Delgado has some kind of crazy way about him, if the Braves want to trade him, then they ought to instead look at themselves. But there is no incentive for the brass of the team to look at themselves as the problem. Who is that person for the Braves to oversea Wren? Some bean counter at Liberty?
mace224
July 26th, 2012
10:14 pm
He walked seven, allowed three hit, one run. Where in the world is that a bad game?
mace224
July 26th, 2012
10:16 pm
One good game by Francisco and you’re ready to give him the third base job? He’s hitting .240! If he’s Chipper’s replacement, it’s going to be a long season. Even Cincinatti didn’t want him.
mace224
July 26th, 2012
10:29 pm
Get rid of Uggla, start Francisco at third. Keep Freeman as the caucasian representative.
mace224
July 26th, 2012
11:00 pm
Great to here from all you armchair analysts. Francisco has one good game and he’s the next Chipper Jones (or better).Hudson will fall out of favor when he has another bad game. Hanson is one of the better NL pitchers and he’s only going to get better.
Acana22
July 27th, 2012
8:49 am
Thank god none of you actually work for the braves. Some of your ideas are simply retarded.