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Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
I mean, it really reads as: Dempster is waiting out the Cubs/Dodgers talks to see if they can come to an agreement. And if they don’t, then he will play the remainder of the season out with the Cubs. It sure looks like that’s the case and I really doubt Wren will want to wait for that.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
RC you should stick to what a sport that you have knowledge about…oh wait there isn’t one.
Don’t tell me what to do…I can have my own opinion. Comparing million dollar athletes holding out when they get to play sports to regular workers is stupid. I was talking about sports unions genius.
Yeah, I’m totally ignorant on all things baseball. You can ask pretty much anyone.
You can have your own opinion. And when you voice that opinion anonomously on the Internet, you are opening it up to being judged. And what I typed was me judging your opinion to be incredibly ill conceived and anti-capitalism. Why is comparing athletes to “regular workers” stupid? Athletes sign a contract to perform a service based on the market for their services. I guess it would be better if the billionaire owners made all that money instead of the millionaire athletes?
ncbravesfan90
July 24th, 2012
4:25 pm
“Epstein and Hoyer are bonkers right now.”
Yep, nightmare scenario for them right now. They were hoping to have dealt Dempster now, at the latest. And spending the next week getting the max package for Garza who is not a FA after this season.
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:25 pm
Considering the salary difference between AAA and MLB, I’d certainly be excited about the possibility.
As much as us fans what to think that our players love wearing a Braves uniform, most of them just want to play at the highest level and get paid. I doubt they care too much about the uniform they wear!! Especially the players from other countries that didn’t grow up watching and loving the team they play for!!
Lew
July 24th, 2012
4:25 pm
A Charter Memeber of the Terminally Clueless just showed up again. Yep, no doubt about it. Delgado was an instant loss – especially with some of the weakest run support in the game.
phil
July 24th, 2012
4:26 pm
chipper on the prowl = doofus
cowdogit
July 24th, 2012
4:26 pm
Dempster reads these blogs, he knows with Chipper, Fredi and McDowell, making the tough decisions, the braves will be lucky to finish over five hundred.
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
4:26 pm
play the matching game in LF with Diaz and Constanza!!
Diaz is hurt and Constanza is worthless, Crazy. You wanna play with 8 guys just to futz with Uggla?
Shaun
July 24th, 2012
4:27 pm
@fjrabon: “Heard that the Delgado offer is officially off the table, and if the Cubs want another shot they’ll have to renegotiate from scratch.”
Memphis
July 24th, 2012
4:27 pm
I’d take Grienke over Teheran if we have him until 2017 easy!
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:27 pm
Wow. Value to the Braves goes down further; that’s a start he could have made for them.
Well, Greinke is pitching tonight – so the earliest he can pitch for Atlanta is Sunday vs. Philly.
Looks like we haven’t seen the last of Jair Jurrjens afterall.
MikeInFl
July 24th, 2012
4:27 pm
I don’t know… Braves drafted Delgado out of Panama when he was 16. I’d guess he sees the organization as family and that this is kinda’ stressful.
But, maybe I’m just projecting my own insecurities on him
leftrecursion
July 24th, 2012
4:27 pm
BTW how is Uggla not batting below Ross in the order? Why does Fredi insist on slotting this guy in the middle of the order when he’s in a worse slump than last year and that’s saying something.
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:28 pm
I doubt they care too much about the uniform they wear!! CrαZy
Unless your a Vet with 10/5 rights!!
old man
July 24th, 2012
4:28 pm
N8, I agree. Do we have no one in our system better equipped to play LF than Constanza? I like him fine, but we are overloaded with lefties. He hit .303 last year, so he is clearly an improvement in Uggla. But we really have no one in our entire system that would be an upgrade over Diaz or Constanza? Oh well.
But get rid of JJ, go with the rotation you listed. And move on. I think that group could win a wild card spot. WHEN DOES SIMMONS RETURN?
nolie
July 24th, 2012
4:28 pm
As a follow-on list to my ranking from earlier this month of the top 50 prospects in the minors, here’s a ranking of the top 10 prospects on contending clubs — i.e., potential deadline “buyers” — based on their immediate trade value. To draw the line between contenders and non-contenders, I used ESPN’s playoff odds, and limited the list to prospects from teams with at least a 15 percent chance of making the playoffs prior to Monday’s games.
This list isn’t specifically my evaluation of the values of these players, but represents my understanding of (and speculation) on what the players’ actual values are to current GMs. This list ignores players who can’t be traded because they just signed their first professional contracts this summer, and players who are currently out with a significant injury (e.g., Travis d’Arnaud).
1. Jurickson Profar, SS
Age: 19
Level: Double-A (Frisco)
Too good to trade? Profar looks as if he could step in as a major league shortstop by Opening Day and be league-average or better, with superstar upside. That combination of immediate return and potential peak could make it impossible for Texas to get sufficient return in any deal; they would have to receive more than one established big leaguer with multiple years of control remaining to come close to the potential value of the first six years of Profar’s career.
2. Gerrit Cole, RHP
Age: 21
Level: Double-A (Altoona)
Cole’s raw stuff is as good as anyone’s in the minors right now, with plus velocity, a plus changeup, and a slider up to 92 that you can easily project as plus, and scouts getting their first looks at him this year are going to come back with some strongly positive reports. I don’t think Cole is ready for the majors, primarily because he still doesn’t command the four-seamer well enough, but his repertoire wouldn’t be out of place in a big league rotation, and he should be ready inside of 12 months.
3. Oscar Taveras, OF
Age: 20
Level: Double-A (Springfield)
I imagine Taveras will be the one name the Cardinals refuse to discuss in trades this summer, as the comparisons to Vlad Guerrero look a lot less outlandish this year than they did at this time in 2011. He could slot into most teams’ 2013 Opening Day lineups, and the power display he put on in BP before the Futures Game — witnessed by scouts from just about every team, with a few execs sprinkled in — ratcheted up his value a few notches.
4. Tyler Skaggs, LHP
Age: 20
Level: Triple-A (Reno)
Left-handed, projectable, and already showing an above-average fastball, Skaggs has already reached Triple-A after having no trouble at any previous level. I could see him in a swing role or even as a fifth starter this year, but by this time next year, he should be ready for a rotation spot somewhere. As for teammate Trevor Bauer — while I’m sure he’d still have trade value as a starter who’s close to big-league ready, his diminished velocity in his four major league outings and inability (or unwillingness) to throw strikes, especially when behind in the count, will absolutely reduce what he’s worth on the market until he has more success in the majors.
5. Mike Olt, 3B
Age: 23
Level: Double-A (Frisco)
Olt is the lowest-ranked prospect from my top 50 update (No. 46) to appear on this top 10, making up for his relative lack of ceiling (although his ceiling isn’t low) with his proximity to the majors. Olt could probably step in right now and play third base for a number of rebuilding clubs, offering above-average defense, a .320 to .330 OBP, and 20 to 25 home run power right away.
6. Shelby Miller, RHP
Age: 21
Level: Triple-A (Memphis)
Miller’s value has taken a hit this year, to the point where I wouldn’t be remotely surprised to see him included in a major trade in the next seven days. His velocity was off earlier this year after he lost too much weight last winter, and while he’s back in the mid-90s, he’s struggling with command and has been unable to use his off-speed stuff to put hitters away. He’s less ready than he seemed to be before this season, which makes him available, but at just 21, he’s still promising enough to be able to bring back a significant major leaguer in return.
7. Julio Teheran, RHP
Age: 21
Level: Triple-A (Gwinnett)
Although Teheran has been very inconsistent this year in Triple-A, and quite homer-prone, he’s also just 21 years old with a plus fastball and plus changeup and no history of arm trouble. It is reasonable for a bad team acquiring him to believe he could work in the majors either as a fifth starter or as a long man while he continues to work on fastball location and on finding a consistent breaking ball.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:28 pm
Will somone PLEASE tell frank that this is one trading season he should just let slide by. Trading Delgado for ANY of the available starters is grounds for an instant dismissal from his post!!!
Minor looked very good last night. Hudson will do the same tonight. Sheets has been lights out (that’s your “trade” right there!). JJ should be demoted, KK-style. Delgado should be our fifth starter – come hell or high water.
Time to bring the kids along and see what they can do.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:29 pm
This isn’t the NBA. Why do folks not understand this? It isn’t a sign and trade. You trade Julio Teheran for Greinke – it’s for August and September and playoff starts if you make it. That’s it. The compensation for Greinke is the 100 million you’ll pay him 2013-2017. – Efrim
While I completely agree with you in theory, I do think there is an opportunity cost that has to be accounted for somewhere in the equation. If the Braves DON’T pursue and trade for Grienke, it’s not quite fair to say that they can just sign him in the offseason, since the possibility remains that another team can trade for him and sign him to a long-term deal before he ever reaches free agency.
I guess what I’m saying is that the trade isn’t JUST prospects for 2 months of Grienke. It’s prospects for 2 months of Grienke AND an exclusive negotiating window that extends until something like 7 days after the end of the World Series. The value of that negotiating window is completely dependant upon Grienke’s willingness to forego free agency and sign a long term contract with a team that trades for him.
Jerry
July 24th, 2012
4:30 pm
Release Jurrjens and put Delgado in the rotation, or put Delgado in the bullpen and Medlen in the rotation. Then go out and get two right handed hitters in the outfield and release Hinske and send Francisco down. Not even gonna get into Uggla because Fredi will not sit his lame ass down. Just stuck with him.
Gary Field
July 24th, 2012
4:30 pm
Forget Greinke. Who wants a player with social anxiety disorder, especially a pitcher?
old man
July 24th, 2012
4:30 pm
Maybe we need to use Sheets and Medlen and a resurgent Minor to get our rotation in order.
If we are going for a 2 month rental, maybe it needs to be a left fielder. Who’s out there?
MiaBchBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:30 pm
old man, this is the organization where OF’s and right-handed hitters come to disappear, witness-protection-program style.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:30 pm
Franklin Rabon @fjrabon
Braves currently calling other teams.
Franklin Rabon @fjrabon
The Dempster deal ‘isn’t 100% dead, but it would have to be re-incarnated’
If we haven’t acquired a starter and it’s next Tuesday at 3:30pm EST, I’d bet my kidney that Wren would still do Delgado for Dempster if Dempster approved it.
ATLcracker
July 24th, 2012
4:31 pm
soriano PITTSBURGH — Jeff Samardzija gave up one hit over eight innings and Alfonso Soriano hit two run-scoring doubles as the Chicago Cubs cooled off the Pittsburgh Pirates 2-0 on Monday night
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old man
July 24th, 2012
4:31 pm
Need to sit Uggla, move Prado to 2B. If Uggla gets it going in 2 weeks, it won’t matter if we are 10 games out by then.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:31 pm
I’d take Grienke over Teheran if we have him until 2017 easy!
It wouldn’t just be that simple. You’d have to take Grienke over Teheran + whoever you could have signed with the money you are paying Grienke until 2017. Still possibly worth it, but a serious change in the equation.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:31 pm
Jerry, I like your 4:30 post.
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:32 pm
They were hoping to have dealt Dempster now, at the latest. And spending the next week getting the max package for Garza who is not a FA after this season.
Dempster said even if he gets traded he’d like to sign back with the Cubs next year!! I bet Theo would say no chance after this BS!!
Trader Jack
July 24th, 2012
4:32 pm
Will be interesting to see how Greinke performs tonight
ncbravesfan90
July 24th, 2012
4:32 pm
I figured that Dempster wouldn’t yank around the Cubs Front Office since he’s considered to be a class act guy. If he makes the start for the Cubs tomorrow, that would probably the worst case scenario for the Cubs. His trade value is the highest it can be, not to mention the possiblity of an injury.
Ray
July 24th, 2012
4:32 pm
Its reported Dempster not only is saying he is going to take his time and do what he feels is best for him but he says he has a good idea on where he wants to go. Red flag big time and move on. I am sure Wren has. I bet his phone is lighting up with teams calling him about Delgado.
One Big Dummy
July 24th, 2012
4:32 pm
Can Frank Wren even rescind this trade offer? And, if so, why hasn’t he done it already?!?!?!
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:33 pm
It’s prospects for 2 months of Grienke AND an exclusive negotiating window that extends until something like 7 days after the end of the World Series. The value of that negotiating window is completely dependant upon Grienke’s willingness to forego free agency and sign a long term contract with a team that trades for him.
Fair point, but the last player to sign an extension August 1st – end of season is Carlos Zambrano with the Cubs – 5 years, 91 million. It just doesn’t happen often at all.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:33 pm
Dan Uggla: The NEW Nate McLouth!
Hillbilly
July 24th, 2012
4:33 pm
Sez Cubs did not “blindside” him, but media did.
Exactly what I was trying to say this morning when everybody was calling BS on him, saying “he should have known he was on the block,… he’s already said he prefers the Dodgers and Braves,… yadda, yadda, yadda…”
MiaBchBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:33 pm
JJ: The NEW KK!
Pace
July 24th, 2012
4:34 pm
From the Capital Avenue Website:
According to a source, the offer of Delgado is no longer a current offer, and if the Cubs want back in, they would have to renegotiate. The Braves are again calling other teams about starting pitching, and Dempster is no longer seen as their top priority.
The source said the deal ‘isn’t 100% dead, but it would have to be re-incarnated’.
Jimmy
July 24th, 2012
4:34 pm
You know, the way Dempster has used the Braves for leverage against the Dodgers…do we really want him here? If LA doesn’t bite, do the fans want the bearded one here?
Obviously, we are his second choice. And that Vancover thing??? It’s only two months and then he is a FA. He is just using us, plain and simple.
ESPN is wanting to do a show on Dempster called “The Decision”. Oh wait, that’s been done.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:35 pm
Dempster/Garza/Greinke: (potentially) the NEW D. Lowe!
Bayou Brave
July 24th, 2012
4:35 pm
This may end up working out for the best. If Dempster stalls another day and misses a Braves start then his trade value goes down; perhaps far enough that we could keep Delgado and send a lesser prospect to the Cubs in exchange for Dempster. If the deal gets done today and Dempster starts for the Braves on Wednesday then he should give us 13 starts, otherwise he likely will only be able to give us 12 starts. Do we have a prospect worth 12/13ths of Delgado that the Cubs would accept?
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:35 pm
Paul Sullivan
@PWSullivan 14m
Demp: “I have a pretty good idea of where I want to go.” Wouldn’t discuss Braves/LA. Willing to take til deadline to decide.
Obviously, LA.
Shaun
July 24th, 2012
4:35 pm
Yeah, it’s the media’s fault for reporting information.
Julio Santanar
July 24th, 2012
4:35 pm
Bench Uggla. He is an automatic out.
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
4:36 pm
Can Frank Wren even rescind this trade offer? And, if so, why hasn’t he done it already?!?!?!
He can rescind the offer just before signing on the dotted line, if he wants. And withdrawing the offer, and announcing that the offer is withdrawn, are two entirely separate things.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:36 pm
Frank Wren proves his ignorance because hsitory repeats itself with him. He does not know what he is doing. He may be a decent negotiator, but his skills in evaluating talent stink to the lowest pits of hell.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:36 pm
Release Jurrjens and put Delgado in the rotation, or put Delgado in the bullpen and Medlen in the rotation. Then go out and get two right handed hitters in the outfield and release Hinske and send Francisco down. Not even gonna get into Uggla because Fredi will not sit his lame ass down. Just stuck with him.
If you release Jurrjens, you will still have to pay him the rest of the year. Why not send him down, see if you can get ANYTHING for him (even covering most of the salary), and then not offer him arbitration next year?
Same thing with Hinske, except I’m not sure he can be sent down. As for Francisco, he can’t be sent down…your only option would be to put designate for assignment, and I think then he would have to pass through waivers and accept the assignment to not either be picked up by other team or granted free agency.
Lew
July 24th, 2012
4:36 pm
Like the Rush lyrics – “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:37 pm
Dempster/Garza/Greinke: (potentially) the NEW D. Lowe!
If you want to make that analogy, they would be the new Peavy/Burnett/Lowe. Guess that makes Dempster = Peavy….still to be determined who is Burnett and who is Lowe.
MikeInFl
July 24th, 2012
4:38 pm
The source said the deal ‘isn’t 100% dead, but it would have to be re-incarnated’.
Then their source is Franklin Rabon @fjrabon, as Efrim quoted him with that comment at 4:30.
Seems Cap Avenue is pretending they have some secret inside source, when they’re just getting their stuff off twitter, like everybody else, lol.
kenhotlanta
July 24th, 2012
4:38 pm
RC @ 4:10: “Unless there is another double-header on the horizon, his next start for us will be in Gwinnett.”
At this point, I had much rather have Delgado in our rotation than JJ.
Hillbilly
July 24th, 2012
4:38 pm
If we haven’t acquired a starter and it’s next Tuesday at 3:30pm EST, I’d bet my kidney that Wren would still do Delgado for Dempster if Dempster approved it. Efrim
Set the dove free. If it doesn’t return, it wasn’t meant to be. That’s the way I would be leaning right now, if I were Frank.
McKee
July 24th, 2012
4:39 pm
For those of you worried about Dempster turning down the Braves, remember that whether or not you agree with it or not, the Braves are in WIN NOW mentality with this being Chippers last year. I can assure you Wren is not sitting in his office with his hand on his phone waiting for Dempster to change his mind. There is most definately a plan B.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:39 pm
Fair point, but the last player to sign an extension August 1st – end of season is Carlos Zambrano with the Cubs – 5 years, 91 million. It just doesn’t happen often at all.
True. It’s much more common in offseason trades, such as the Uggla trade a couple of years ago.
Pace
July 24th, 2012
4:39 pm
Basically, Wren negotiated in good faith with Theo. Theo DID NOT have Dempster’s approval for a trade to the anyone but the Dodgers. Theo didn’t contact Dempster about it before the news broke (from a Braves Source apparently) – he got pissed and because he can – killed the trade. Or at least it looks dead. So who’s at fault?
old man
July 24th, 2012
4:39 pm
Is Dempster really this duplicitous? It’s like he is a double agent for the Dodgers. A self-proclaimed traitor happily showing up everyday in the Cub’s clubhouse. He put the Braves on his list, now he is essentially telling the Cubs they have to try and do a deal with the Dodgers–obviously for far less value, as the Dodgers know that they are essentially the only team Dempster will approve.
If there are family and personal issues which dictate a Cactus League team, and he will only go to the Dodgers, he should have said that right up front.
The Cubs must be absolutely furious with him.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:39 pm
At this point, I had much rather have Delgado in our rotation than JJ.
I agree with you. But I don’t think that FW or FG do.
Julio Santanar
July 24th, 2012
4:39 pm
How long do you make the team & fans suffer with Uggla Wren?
UNCBrave
July 24th, 2012
4:40 pm
If the Braves had any guts, they’d now offer the CUBS LESS for Dumpster now that they know he want the Dodgers…
IMO, I say forget Dumpster. and offer DELGADO and Spill for ZACK GREINKE
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:40 pm
I can’t imagine this place if we get Dempster and still miss the playoffs!! We’ll never hear the end of it!!
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:40 pm
Stephen (Blacksburg, VA)
Selling the future of Delgado for the 35 year old present of Dempster. Short-sighted or appropriately aggressive? Could they have gotten something better for Delgado?
David Schoenfield (1:22 PM)
Not official yet … I think it’s worth the risk. The Braves are probably the contender with the biggest gap between their bottom starters and a trade acquisition. Plus, they can still catch the Nationals, so going all-out to win the division is worth the risk of Delgado becoming more than a 3 or 4.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:40 pm
I agree, RC. Give JJ some Gwinnett time and then bring him up during September callup time and see if he’s straightened himself out. I still think he forgot to pull the string out before the game and tweaked his knee during the SF start. That and the long spa lay-off during AS week vexed his quite delicate and fragile mechanics, poor sweetie.
Pace
July 24th, 2012
4:40 pm
@MikeinFL – Seems Cap Avenue is pretending they have some secret inside source, when they’re just getting their stuff off twitter, like everybody else, lol.
Actually – it’s the same guy – Rabon, earlier was a tweet – I just pointed toward the article he posted.
LOL
Jeff R
July 24th, 2012
4:40 pm
Looks like we haven’t seen the last of Jair Jurrjens afterall.
It would be unbelievable if Jurrjens started another game for the Braves.
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:41 pm
Clay (Charlotte)
9-0 come back by the Barves, best game of the season so far?
David Schoenfield (1:24 PM)
Hmm, good question … what about that extra-inning game that Chipper won against the Phillies? He said that was maybe the best game he ever played in.
Shaun
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
Seems Cap Avenue is pretending they have some secret inside source, when they’re just getting their stuff off twitter, like everybody else, lol.
Actually, they say they do have a source. See here: http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=7253
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
Lowe and Dempster are 2 totally different style pitchers… ones mentality is F u you can’t hit me and the others is a here be kind and hit this on the ground please!!
Lew
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
I seriously doubt that the Braves’ front office is making any moves that effect the futrue as well as right now based on it being Chipper’s last year.
Chipper’s always been one of my favorite players, but all he is owed is his paycheck, a day they already have planned in September, a day when they retire his number and a day tobe inducted into the Braves (and MLB) HOF.
You don’t make decisions based on a player who won’t be here three months from now.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
The source said the deal “isn’t 100% dead, but it would have to be re-incarnated.” Delgado wouldn’t necessarily be off the table, but the terms for the deal “almost certainly wouldn’t be the same after all this. If for no other reason than it has become clear that the Braves offer was lapping everybody else’s offer, and the Cubs’ bargaining position is much weaker than it was two days ago. – CAC”
At this point, if the Cubs come back to the Braves, Wren should be offering second tier prospects and not Delgado.
MikeInFl
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
Oh, I see, Pace… guess I owe Cap Ave a Mea Culpa. Damn, already been banned from that site once for arguing with the mods!
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
Ryan (Indy)
What are your thoughts on Tommy Hanson? I expected him to be on his way to being an elite starter by now, but he seems to be regressing. Do you think he’s hurt, unlucky or were my expectations too high to begin with?
David Schoenfield (1:43 PM)
I had big expectations as well. Could be the various ailments have just ate away at him. I would suggest he could work a little on conditioning as well. Doesn’t seem to be in great shape to me.
ATLcracker
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
All-Time Rank (among Batters): #400. Phil Cavarretta… #401. Eddie Yost… #402. Wally Joyner… #403. ALFONSO SORIANO… #404. Adrian Gonzalez…
Brave New World
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
Efrim July 24th, 2012 4:35 pm Paul Sullivan @PWSullivan 14m
Demp: “I have a pretty good idea of where I want to go.”
I have a better idea where Dempster and this whole deal can go.
Jeff R
July 24th, 2012
4:42 pm
Give JJ some Gwinnett time and then bring him up during September callup time and see if he’s straightened himself out.
I doubt Jurrjens will straighten himself out – if at all – in so short a time frame. I believe Jurrjens’ days as a Brave are numbered.
jim
July 24th, 2012
4:43 pm
Keeping my fingers crossed that the Dempster deal falls through!!
If so, who gets the start this weekend — JJ or Delgado?
Yogi Berra
July 24th, 2012
4:43 pm
Jerry @ 4:30
Francisco is out of options..can’t go down.
Lew
July 24th, 2012
4:43 pm
Unless they are named Dempster or Grienke, apparently.
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
4:43 pm
It would be unbelievable if Jurrjens started another game for the Braves.
Short of him being the sole survivor if the charter goes down, I’m with you.
Hillbilly
July 24th, 2012
4:43 pm
Like the Rush lyrics – “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” Lew
That works. I’m going with Patterson Hood, myself: “I can’t die now, ’cause I got another show to do.”
Keep thumbing through that Rolodex, Frank. There’s still work to be done.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
4:44 pm
He can rescind the offer just before signing on the dotted line, if he wants. And withdrawing the offer, and announcing that the offer is withdrawn, are two entirely separate things.
Really no reason to right now. Obviously Dempster is pushing for the Dodgers which means the Dodgers have to come up with something that Hoyer and Epstein approve. Wren is free to check around and make other plans. It’s a no lose situation for Wren right now. He either gets Dempster for what he proposed or he goes in a different direction. The Cubs stand to lose the offer they liked most. The Dodgers stand to offer more than they wish for Dempster. And Dempster stands to finish the season on a losing club.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:44 pm
It would be unbelievable if Jurrjens started another game for the Braves
I’m not sure who is starting in his place on Saturday. Teheran? ANOTHER spot start for the 21 year old. Enough with that. I hope Wren sees it that way too.
Jeff R
July 24th, 2012
4:44 pm
At this point, if the Cubs come back to the Braves, Wren should be offering second tier prospects and not Delgado.
Yes. Delgado and another minor leaguer was far too generous for 2-moths – we assume – of Dempster.
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:45 pm
Is Dempster buddies with Dwight Howard? Just asking??
Jerry
July 24th, 2012
4:45 pm
If you release Jurrjens, you will still have to pay him the rest of the year. Why not send him down, see if you can get ANYTHING for him (even covering most of the salary), and then not offer him arbitration next year?
I mentioned this earlier. If you send Jurrjens down, you still have to pay him regardless becaue he has a major league contract. If they feel they can trade him and get something for him, that’s great, but somehow I don’t think there’s a whole lot we can get for him anymore. Right now, I just feel like he is taking up space on the 40-man roster that we may need if a trade, or trades, is made.
Bobby's Cox
July 24th, 2012
4:45 pm
If Epstein wants Delgado, you know it’s too much.
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:45 pm
Jon (Bozeman, MT)
Let’s assume that Hamels gets traded to Rangers and Dempster to Dodgers. Will Garza, Greinke, and Shields get traded and, if so, where?
David Schoenfield (2:19 PM)
Garza — Braves. Greinke — Angels. Shields — stays put.
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:46 pm
Efrim… assuming we don’t make a trade… I’d rather see Hanson Hudson Minor Sheets and Delgado than see JJ again!!!
Jeff R
July 24th, 2012
4:46 pm
I’m not sure who is starting in his place on Saturday. Teheran? ANOTHER spot start for the 21 year old. Enough with that. I hope Wren sees it that way too.
I’d give it to Martinez and back fill with the bullpen. Jurrjens is just a losing proposition.
Bobby's Cox
July 24th, 2012
4:46 pm
If Uggla starts hitting again, would you trade him if you got the chance?
I would.
old man
July 24th, 2012
4:46 pm
My gut is telling me what some of you have already said. We have been bragging for years about our great young arms. Well, now it’s time for them to perform: Hanson, Delgado, Minor, Medlen. Dempster has put us in a position where that may be our best option in terms of starting pitching.
I say shift gears and shop for a left fielder.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:46 pm
Doesn’t seem to be in great shape to me.
Ya know, watching the Met game last week was eye-opening for me. He’s 6′6” and just doesn’t have a great build. I dunno. I look at Stras, Verlander, even Beachy at 6′3” – muscular dudes. Even Josh Johnson looks better built.
Hit the weight room, Tommy.
DAP
July 24th, 2012
4:47 pm
Demp: “I have a pretty good idea of where I want to go.” Wouldn’t discuss Braves/LA. Willing to take til deadline to decide.
i bet theo epstien is really annoyed right now.
Chipperchop
July 24th, 2012
4:47 pm
I find this whole Dempster scenario hilarious. Over on the Cubs board, they were in hysterics about how they were trade raping the Braves, and coming up with ridiculous proposals of what other prospect should be included in the trade from the Braves. Now, they are either going to be stuck with the guy for the rest of the season, or get next to nothing for him.
Bobby's Cox
July 24th, 2012
4:47 pm
Delgado for 2 months of Dempster is obviously overpaying.
One name that I’ve failed to read in this blog… remember Vizcaino? He’s going to be a factor next season, whether it’s the rotation or bullpen. I’d have to think Meds is in the rotation next year, and Vizcaino in the bullpen coming off of TJ. Then in subsequent years, options start opening up again (Vizcaino, Gilmartin, Teheren, Sims), and that’s without even counting FA signees this offseason. When you look at it that way, Wren can afford to sell Delgado. I think if he’s going to do it though, he needs to do it for a bat this offseason.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
4:48 pm
He’s 6′6” and just doesn’t have a great build. I dunno. I look at Stras, Verlander, even Beachy at 6′3” – muscular dudes. Even Josh Johnson looks better built….
….. and CC…
Gary
July 24th, 2012
4:48 pm
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Jeff R
July 24th, 2012
4:48 pm
Yes. Either Minor or Delgado are lapping Jurrjens right now. I’d rather see those two young guys get dusted up than see Jurrjens get raked. At least Minor and Delgado are climbing the curve up.
Arkansas Transplant
July 24th, 2012
4:49 pm
Wren is an idiot if he brings Delgado back to the table with re-negotiations with the Cubs.. cause they have no leverage at that point.
Jerry
July 24th, 2012
4:49 pm
Francisco, he can’t be sent down…your only option would be to put designate for assignment, and I think then he would have to pass through waivers and accept the assignment to not either be picked up by other team or granted free agency.
If Francisco has no options left, then by all means, designate him for assignment. Somehow I don’t think many will snatch him off waivers. And if they did, more power to them and have a party. Francisco sucks to the highest degree.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:49 pm
It’s a no lose situation for Wren right now.
Except of course if he wants Matt Garza. Not sure how Theo can look himself in the mirror if he were to accept a package headlined by Delgado for Garza after almost getting the kid for 2 months of Dempster.
Unless baseball people are somehow so enamored with Ryan Dempster’s abilities as a 35 year old and my eyes deceive me.
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
4:50 pm
I think if he’s going to do it though, he needs to do it for a bat this offseason.
Use Hanson for that. Much more bang for the trade.