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ncbravesfan90
July 24th, 2012
3:45 pm
1. Michael Bourn (L) CF
2. Martin Prado (R) LF
3. Jason Heyward (L) RF
4. Chipper Jones (S) 3B
5. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
6. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
7. David Ross (R) C
8. Paul Janish (R) SS
9. Tim Hudson (R) P
Summer of George
July 24th, 2012
3:46 pm
Georgie will be batting .360 with 5 stolen bases before he’s sent back down again for some unknown reason.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
3:48 pm
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .205 .262 .333 0.595 .263 ___90
Prado__ .216 .268 .270 0.539 .245 ___74
Heyward .176 .300 .206 0.506 .275 ___66
Chipper .286 .359 .429 0.788 .331 __152
Freeman .278 .316 .528 0.844 .358 __166
Uggla__ .138 .306 .138 0.443 .242 ___48
Ross___ .333 .412 .633 1.045 .442 __231
Janish_ .161 .235 .226 0.461 .244 ___49
Hudson_ .313 .350 .375 0.725 .262 __133
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
Wonder if McCann is out because of the Shoulder or just a day off again?
chipper on the prowl
July 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
I laugh at you thin-skinned idiots.
Goliath
July 24th, 2012
3:50 pm
I think Fuggla maybe done for his career. He has been on a DOWNWARD trajectory for two years now and it’s not getting better, it’s getting MUCH WORSE. He has been a huge drag on the team and rally killer for TWO SOLID MONTHS now. How much longer will Fredi keep “running him out there” when it’s painfully obvious that Fuggla is completely lost and needs some time in the minors to get his swing back. If he can get it back at all.
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
3:50 pm
Two guys hitting over .300 in the past 9 games and one of them is Huddy!! Great!!
Ward
July 24th, 2012
3:51 pm
All, have a good one! will be thrilled to get Dempster, and not the end of the world if we don’t. I’m cool, and was just making a case for Dempster. All be cool, and Peace my friends……..Talk later tonight, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
chipper on the prowl
July 24th, 2012
3:51 pm
bye bye kiddies
cabravesfan
July 24th, 2012
3:52 pm
CraZy-
Most likely, it’s a combination of Rossy often catching Huddy and tomorrow’s game being early…
Nova Scotia Steve
July 24th, 2012
3:52 pm
Why no McCann?
cowdogit
July 24th, 2012
3:53 pm
Put the speed back into the lineup and Uggly will start hitting again. Another pitcher for McDowell to screw up is not going to get the braves to the playoff’s.
Summer of George
July 24th, 2012
3:53 pm
there will probably be the infamous “player to be named later” in any deal.
JOE
July 24th, 2012
3:53 pm
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CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
3:54 pm
He has been on a DOWNWARD trajectory for two years now and it’s not getting better
He’s actually doing the same thing he’s done his whole career maybe just slightly worse! But not far from his normal!! Extreamly Hot to Extreamly Cold in a blink of an eye!!!
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
3:54 pm
Wow, that’s pretty sad that Dempster doesn’t want to play for the Braves. Wren should just take our offer off the table then.
Lew
July 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
What would one more win have meant last year? A one game playoff with what was the hottest team in MLB and nothing more.
MikeInFl
July 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
He’s actually doing the same thing he’s done his whole career maybe just slightly worse!
Got to disagree with that (though I’m not an Uggla hater). Had never posted an OPS under .800 before he came to the Braves.
.764 last year, and .721 this year, is indeed a decline, and I am concerned about it. Maybe he goes on a huge tear and pulls it way up this year, but more likely he just ‘normalizes’ this year and finishes around .750. With three years left, it is a concern, but not one we can do much about.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
What would one more win have meant last year? A one game playoff with what was the hottest team in MLB and nothing more.
And this year it could mean any number of complicated tie breaking one game scenarios… ( :
RC
July 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
What would one more win have meant last year? A one game playoff with what was the hottest team in MLB and nothing more.
I’d have given the Braves at least a 35% chance of winning that game, which is a heck of a lot more than a 0% chance. And I think 35% may be a bit low.
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
there will probably be the infamous “player to be named later” in any deal.
Probably Constanza. Theo is probably dazzled by the love for the guy by posters here, enough that he intends to completely ignore the fact that the guy is a scrub.
One-Eyed Mac
July 24th, 2012
3:58 pm
i figured we might see Ross tonight. Chipper indicated a few day ago he would probably take Wednesday’s day game off. By McCann taking tonight off, he’ll be able to play in Wednesday’s day game and we won’t have to be without both Chipper and BMac….at least i hope that’s the reason!
space monkey
July 24th, 2012
3:59 pm
After Josh Johnson’s performance last night, I would give Miami Delgado and Teheran for his services. He was nasty. If it wasn’t for that blister, he might have K’ed 14 or 15 and shut us out. Nasty with a cap N.
Ray
July 24th, 2012
4:00 pm
The Braves have made it clear that they are not going to trade for Greinke if they cannot sign him to an extension. It will take a lot to trade for him and around 100m+ to sign him.
MikeInFl
July 24th, 2012
4:00 pm
Doug Padilla @ESPNChiCubs
Dempster in the Cubs clubhouse. Deal w Braves looks to be dying on the vine.
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
Put the speed back into the lineup and Uggly will start hitting again. –cowdogit
What was it earlier you said? We’re better with Constanza and the Rev in the lineup without Chipper than we are with Chipper in the lineup? Something like that anyways!! What does speed from other players have to do with Uggla squaring up a baseball anyways? Oh well the blog needs insanity… Wouldn’t want there to be too much logic in the comment section or we might shut down!!
Lew
July 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
RC – And with the way the Braves were playing – hurt, not hitting and not pitching with the bullpen imploding, how far would they have gotten even IF they won that one game playoff?
People would still be bitching about “The Collapse” and that we played another one and out playoff series.
In other words, nothing at all would have changed.
Venice Jim
July 24th, 2012
4:01 pm
Here’s an option from the Washington Post for those who want to get rid of Uggla:
Source: Nationals’ top trade deadline concern is improving middle infield depth…
Piedmont Blues
July 24th, 2012
4:02 pm
I expected Uggla would underperform his contract in the final year or two (mid-30s middle infielder with deteriorating skills) but not from the get-go. Yowza.
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
4:03 pm
Deal w Braves looks to be dying on the vine.
Geez, just infuse it with some blunt-force trauma, then, and let’s move on to the next topic.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:03 pm
At this point, I kind of hope that Dempster ends up going to the Dodgers and pitches against the Braves in the playoffs at Turner Field. While he’s certainly well within his rights to do what he’s doing, it would be kind of entertaining to see how much of a reaction that would get from the fans at Turner Field (and maybe get them to show up before first pitch).
Beltrans right ear mole
July 24th, 2012
4:03 pm
Braves should trade Jack Wilson for Josh Hamilton.
How about the rights to Gil Garrido for Felix Hernandez?
Uggla must pay homage to the sun god he slammed last trip to Miami. That’s when it started.
b
July 24th, 2012
4:03 pm
How in the hell could Wren trade Delgado for two months of Dempster?
This is ridiculous!
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:03 pm
Doug Padilla @ESPNChiCubs
Dempster in the Cubs clubhouse. Deal w Braves looks to be dying on the vine.
Lew
July 24th, 2012
4:04 pm
And besides – as far as I’m aware, there are no do overs, anyway.
Dawg'88
July 24th, 2012
4:04 pm
if RD wants to go to LA…to heck with him. We don’t need a guy who doesn’t want to be here. That will not work. Rather go with a rookie like Delgado that actually wants to be in ATL/just have a major league job.
These primadona ballplayers are spoiled and baseball has been ruined by guys holding teams hostage. I hope Greinke pitches great tonight and the Braves go looking to him. Hey Ryan ever think of that…Braves would rather have a better pitcher than your once in awhile good outings.
Free Agency and the Union have ruined baseball and most pro sports. Thanks Curt Flood.
The Truth....
July 24th, 2012
4:04 pm
Uggla is killin us swinging for the fences all the time….We need a good spray hitter….waiting on the long ball is getting old!
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:04 pm
MikeInFl
Like I said he is slightly worse since he’s been here… but If you go through his seasons he’s had time’s when his numbers were as bad as they are right now and he went on a tear to bring them back up. He’s also had times in his career when his numbers were better than his career norms and he went dead at the end to bring them back down!! He needs to get going, but according to his career numbers he’s going to get hot again I just hope it’s this season!!
Bat Masterson
July 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
Oh I don’t know, don’t you think if it was Biff he would have been named. I mean how much more love could the Braves have shown Dempster than including Biff in a deal for him!
Shaun
July 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
The Dempster deal could just be a reset for everyone, which might be good for the Braves or the Dodgers. The Cubs may not get a player like Randall Delgado, if the Braves back out. The Cubs have to hope the Dodgers want Dempster more than they are letting on and will come close to matching the Braves offer, at this point. Otherwise, it looks to me like Braves back out and everything starts over with Dempster trade value lower than it was 30 hours ago or so.
JOE
July 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
RANDY WOLF FOR DAN UGLA
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
RC – And with the way the Braves were playing – hurt, not hitting and not pitching with the bullpen imploding, how far would they have gotten even IF they won that one game playoff?
No idea. If I were to put odds on it, I would say they likely wouldn’t have gotten very far. But that’s the thing about having a 1-game, 5-game, or even 7-game playoff series determine the fate of a 162-game season. Crazy, crazy things can happen in that small of a sample size, all it takes is a little luck and a few decent performances strung together.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
Geez, just infuse it with some blunt-force trauma, then, and let’s move on to the next topic.
Can’t wait to see what that next topic is. After Dempster officially rejects this deal, I wonder how long the conversation about Garza is…
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
Exactly, Wren should just call off the trade. Why trade for someone who really doesn’t want to be here?
BravoMan
July 24th, 2012
4:06 pm
Looks like Dempster wanted to be near his family when he was traded. The Dodgers can provide that. And by trading for him now and signing an extension would eliminate that concern for him in the winter.
How bout we just sweatin the deal a little and trade for Garza?
Ralph
July 24th, 2012
4:07 pm
DOB, do you care to suggest a solution to the Uggly problem or do you go along with Fruti’s policy of “just keep running him out there”?
The Truth....
July 24th, 2012
4:07 pm
and….forget Dempster. I would take the deal off the table if he needs this long to decide…We don’t need him that bad. We just need the ones we have to pitch BETTER!
JOE
July 24th, 2012
4:07 pm
DONE DEAL…..DEMPSTER TO THE BRAVES FOR JJ AND KRIS MEDLEN…CBSS REPORT!!!
CUBS PAY FOR HALF OF HIS SALARY
Lew
July 24th, 2012
4:07 pm
“A few decent performances strung together”
A nice concept, but a concept not often put into practice by the Braves in the month of September 2011
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
Free Agency and the Union have ruined baseball and most pro sports. Thanks Curt Flood.
Wow….I’m almost scared to touch this subject, but not quite. I guess Dawg’88 would be happy working for one employer the rest of his life, at a salary arbitrarily determined by the employer.
If this is your stance on sports, stick to college sports. The NCAA still does a great job of exploiting their athletes.
JOE
July 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
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Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
Otherwise, it looks to me like Braves back out and everything starts over with Dempster trade value lower than it was 30 hours ago or so.
Any hopes of the Braves getting headlining a deal with Delgado for anything more than a 2 month rental sort of went out the window. I wouldn’t be too surprised if this screw up costed us Teheran in some roundabout way. And that really sucks, because his upside is greater than Delgado or Polished.
kenhotlanta
July 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
Ken Rosenthal just said on MLB that Dempster could wait until the trade deadline to make a decision.
I hope Delgado pitches a no-hitter in his next start for us.
JOE
July 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
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The Truth....
July 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
Joe – I wouldn’t give you a bag of practice balls for that guy now…..draggin this out like he’s baseball’s greatest of all time… BOOO
JOE
July 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
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VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
I’m a Uggla supporter and defender, but at this point I don;t know what to say. Guess will have to see how his stats look after the season. You really gotta think he will get hot soon.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:10 pm
Ken Rosenthal just said on MLB that Dempster could wait until the trade deadline to make a decision.
I hope Delgado pitches a no-hitter in his next start for us.
Unless there is another double-header on the horizon, his next start for us will be in Gwinnett.
IlliniBrave
July 24th, 2012
4:10 pm
Anybody that is so eager to live on the Left Coast would not fit in with Atlanta. Dump the Dumpster and move on.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:10 pm
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Brewers would love to be able to turn Aramis Ramirez into Zach Lee of Dodgers then turn Greinke into Mike Olt of the Rangers but unlikely
Why does he tweet such ridiculous trade scenarios? He’s like a friggin child. Why do they supply him with a paycheck? Bowden is all sorts of awful.
MikeInFl
July 24th, 2012
4:10 pm
Poor Delgado. This must be tearing him up.
JOE
July 24th, 2012
4:11 pm
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Lew
July 24th, 2012
4:12 pm
VaBravesFan – With Uggla’s history, we’re one day closer to a break out every day that passes. He hit the hell out of that ball to center last night and hit the ball pretty hard to third, too. Beats a couple of K’s in the hope department.
Pace
July 24th, 2012
4:12 pm
This is an interesting take on the Dempster issue: http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=7253
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:12 pm
Ken Rosenthal just said on MLB that Dempster could wait until the trade deadline to make a decision.
Man, that really sucks for Epstein and Hoyer. They have to be fuming.
IlliniBrave
July 24th, 2012
4:13 pm
@Efrim: Yeah, Bowden, like Steve Phillips before him, is an ESPN analyst for a reason. He sucked as a GM. The guy says some of the most ridiculous stuff.
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:13 pm
I say we take our offer off the table for Dempster. Hell with it. Besides Randal Delgado is under team control for 5 more seasons. Do we really wanna say good bye to him for 2 months of 35 year old Dempster who really doesn’t want to be here. Hell no.
N8
July 24th, 2012
4:13 pm
Hell with trading for players. Addition by subtraction would do wonders.
SUBTRACT Uggla from the lineup, move Prado to 2B
ADD Constanza to LF. Worst case scnario he hits just as crappy as Uggla, but can track down fly balls and actually score from 2nd on a single.
SUBTRACT Jurrjens from the 25 man roster. Release him. Goodbye. So long now.
ADD Kris Medlen into the rotation.
Would we then be a playoff team? Likely not. But little to now doubt simply subtracting Uggla and Jurrjns from their positions would make this team better.
Hell… while we’re at it…. subtract Fredi. Why?
WHY NOT?
Dawg'88
July 24th, 2012
4:13 pm
Why not Josh Johnson “space monkey”?
5 reasons:
Last 3 starts before last night:
IP 6.1 Hits 5 ER 4
IP 5.1 Hits 11 ER 5
IP 5.0 Hits 6 ER 5
*Thats 16.2 IP allowing 22 hits and 14 ER.
His great outing was against our offense (rookies can do the same thing to the Braves).
And last but not least…he has a $13 million salary
Brave New World
July 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
Since when did Ryan Dempster become worth waitng for? The guy’s had a few good seasons, but he’s a sub .500 pitcher with a career ERA of 4.31. I’d rather keep a 22 year old Delgado then get a couple months from Dempster.
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:16 pm
Poor Delgado. This must be tearing him up.MikeInFl
It might be hard on players, but he’s probably more excited than upset!! I mean If he gets traded it’s probably going to be to a team that will immediately put him in the starting 5 on the ML roster!!! I bet he was jacked to hear he might go to Chicago!!
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
4:16 pm
Ken Rosenthal just said on MLB that Dempster could wait until the trade deadline to make a decision.
The Braves do not have to wait for that decision, however.
IlliniBrave
July 24th, 2012
4:16 pm
Brave New World: most of us seem to agree – DUMP THE DUMPSTER!
Steve from OH
July 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
Man, that really sucks for Epstein and Hoyer. They have to be fuming.
Oh man, I’d be livid if I was Theo.
Juan
July 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
MOVE ON BRAVES……forgot about Dempster…..
Ray
July 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
Those that are blaming Wren on this is either clueless or you are just wanting to blame Wren for anything you can think of whether its valid or makes any sense. I think its a safe bet that Wren is on the phone with many teams. It seems that his best deals are the ones that is quiet and no one saw coming. This might be a benefit and forces Medlin in the rotation.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
His great outing was against our offense (rookies can do the same thing to the Braves).
Does an opposing starting pitcher ever get credit around here? Like, ever?
Dawg'88
July 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
RC you should stick to what a sport that you have knowledge about…oh wait there isn’t one.
Don’t tell me what to do…I can have my own opinion. Comparing million dollar athletes holding out when they get to play sports to regular workers is stupid. I was talking about sports unions genius.
RC
July 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
I mean If he gets traded it’s probably going to be to a team that will immediately put him in the starting 5 on the ML roster!!! I bet he was jacked to hear he might go to Chicago!!
Considering the salary difference between AAA and MLB, I’d certainly be excited about the possibility.
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:18 pm
Lew
Yeah I agree. Only thing positive is how much he has walked this season and having a higher OBP than normal. But he is paid to be a huge RH power bat in the middle of the lineup.
He’s playing just about every game like normal and walking alot. That’s about it. I really expected him to be able to hit 250 and produce atleast a 800 OPS with 25-30 homers a season.
Brave New World
July 24th, 2012
4:18 pm
MikeInFl July 24th, 2012 4:10 pm Poor Delgado. This must be tearing him up.
He’s probably wondering what kind of morons do I work for that would let the Cubs play them for chumps in order to get the Dodgers to up the ante for Mr. Sub.500 Ryan Dempster?
Dawg'88
July 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
Yeah opposing pitchers get credit by the Braves all the time.
Where have you been with the tip your cap reference constantly.
Its always against a guy who is struggling. The Braves do better against good pitchers. Thats backwards.
Fats
July 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
The Braves do not have to wait for that decision, however.
They better wait it out if the alternative is trading Teheran for 2 months of Zack Greinke.
Fats
July 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
4:20 pm
WHY NOT?
One of your more unitelligent posts, nathan. Maybe you should start watching the games again.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
July 24th, 2012
4:20 pm
BMac does have really good numbers against Nolasco, who’s pitching tomorrow, so hopefully that’s what it is…
Also, I won’t able to watch the game tomorrow, so that prolly played a major role in the decision. Seriously, what SADIST keeps scheduling these DANGED week-day afternoon games the day before a friggin’ day off?? Sick of it…
SMOLTZ29
July 24th, 2012
4:20 pm
Struggla needs to sit and watch for a while, or bat 9th in the order behind the starting pitcher! MERCY
Memphis
July 24th, 2012
4:20 pm
Efrim,
Why do you think Grienke would not resign with the Braves? Its been reported that Grienke has a “preference” to play for the Braves….
Venice Jim
July 24th, 2012
4:20 pm
Paul Sullivan @PWSullivan
Dempster says he’s considering his “options,” and will take his time to make a decision. Sez Cubs did not “blindside” him, but media did.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
4:21 pm
Does an opposing starting pitcher ever get credit around here? Like, ever?
Not since we outlawed “cap tipping.”
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:21 pm
Doug Padilla @ESPNChiCubs
Dempster says he’s taking time to weigh options on what’s right for him. Plans to pitch for Cubs tomorrow.
Epstein and Hoyer are bonkers right now.
Goliath
July 24th, 2012
4:21 pm
Why is everyone so hyped up on Delgado? He was an INSTANT LOSS everytime he pitched this year. Is he going to improve that much?
CrαZy
July 24th, 2012
4:22 pm
Uggla… look we need your bat in the lineup… you know the one that pounds baseballs!! So were thinking about sending you to AAA so you can get all your weak pop ups, strikeouts and dribblers out of your system… In the mean time were going to play Prado at 2nd and play the matching game in LF with Diaz and Constanza!! When you start to show signs that you remember how to hit that white ball the pitcher throws your direction then we’ll bring you back up!!
Would this piss Dan off if Frank did this?? Or would he realize his suckage and go work on his game without the pressure of a pennant race?
tony austin
July 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
Wouldn’t it be something if FW pulls the offer and the Dodgers aren’t willing to give what Theo wants. Pretty much screws Ryan out of a playoff appearance and pretty much screws the Cubs out of getting compensation unless they offer arbitration or whatever the new rule is. With the Cubs rebuilding I wouldn’t think they’d risk him accepting.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
Why do you think Grienke would not resign with the Braves?
This isn’t the NBA. Why do folks not understand this? It isn’t a sign and trade. You trade Julio Teheran for Greinke – it’s for August and September and playoff starts if you make it. That’s it. The compensation for Greinke is the 100 million you’ll pay him 2013-2017.
leftrecursion
July 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
I’d be all for parting with Teheran for Greinke as long as Wren locks Greinke up for 5 years. Greinke is a proven Ace, Teheran is still and unproven prospect.
VaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
Brewers already offered Grienke over 100+ million. While I do think the Braves are gonna pursure him in the offseason I just don’t see us at the top of the list when it comes to money. While he might have us as his #1 team he wants to play for he will have to say no to alot more money to do so.
ncbravesfan90
July 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
“Why do you think Grienke would not resign with the Braves? Its been reported that Grienke has a “preference” to play for the Braves….”
Already heard that story this year…Dempster also supposedly said one of his choices was Atlanta and look at where that has us now…
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
Plans to pitch for Cubs tomorrow.
Wow. Value to the Braves goes down further; that’s a start he could have made for them.