12:59 pm July 24, 2012, by David O'Brien
July 26th, 201210:39 pm
Couple of thing worth throwing around if the Braves don’t end up getting Greinke. Then I think Wren is going to go after a pitcher that could very well be a big time starting pitcher but someone that no one is talking about him as someone who is available. I don’t think we are trying to get either Garza as we did then I am sure when we could have already trade for him I also believe that the Braves are not trying to get Francisco Liriano either. So it down to Greinke,James Shields maybe or someone who might not be available.
July 26th, 201210:41 pm
DOB – In your opinion, who are we having to give up to get Greinke if it can be pulled off?? Milwaukee sounds like they are looking for SS help and SP… Delgado and Pastornicky?? — Chief Knock-A-Homa
I think it’ll take more than that. Delgado and a strong prospect, or perhaps Teheran (though I don’t rate him above Delgado, most others do) and Pastornicky, something like that.
July 26th, 201210:45 pm
From Steve Berthiaume of ESPN on Twitter: James Shields: 1-3, 6.15 ERA in his last 7 starts.
July 26th, 201210:52 pm
Like I said, move Medlen into the starting rotation, and deal for a reliever and a right-handed bat off the bench…
July 26th, 201210:57 pm
I think the Braves front office is after a veteran starter/top of the rotation pitcher. Medlen is an option but would only be an option should the Braves not add a starting pitcher at the deadline, which adding a SP is very likely right now.
I like his demeanor and the way that Delgado throws, I am not sure he has the stuff + command to be a great pitcher though
July 26th, 201211:05 pm
How can you not advocate trading for a SP when ATL SP ERA is 14th in the NL???
July 26th, 201211:09 pm
Also, 13th in the NL in Quality Starts….if that does not warrant a trade for a SP then the Braves never need to make a trade ever again because there won’t ever be a need as outstanding as the need is for a starting pitcher or two.
I know it looks ugly, but I don’t want to give up the farm for a rental. I really have a lot of faith in Meds. And I think a few more runs would change our fate right now. I really do…
July 26th, 201211:12 pm
Powder@ 10:52- Been calling for Medlin in rotation since the season started. Actually, I think you could get good production with Delegado out of the bullpen.
July 26th, 201211:13 pm
Thoughts on Bowman’s Blog???
“Indications are that the Brewers will want top pitching prospect Julio Teheran and at least one other highly-regarded prospect in exchange for Greinke, who is set for a big payday on the free agent market this winter.The Braves are willing to provide the five-year contract and $20-plus million annual salary that Greinke will be seeking. But the package they would be willing to provide the Brewers will be based on their confidence that Greinke would not simply be a two-month rental.”
July 26th, 201211:18 pm
Bowman = DOB lite
I see lots of people suggesting Medlen for the rotation. But, I don’t see any suggestions for a bullpen replacement for Medlen. Any ideas out there for long relief?
July 26th, 201211:19 pm
If the Braves are really willing to offer what Greinke wants in a contract, I guess it shows how they feel about Teheran, Hanson and Delgado to an extent. Shows people none of those guys they project to be a top starter any time soon. Hanson we know isn’t. Can’t explain enough how I just cannot stand that guy as a pitcher.
July 26th, 201211:22 pm
roseanne barr just said she hopes anyone that eats at chick’ fill A gets the cancer from the antibiobic filled tortured chickens.
nice job rosy.
Anyone read this article from Bill Shanks about payroll??? WOW!
Ten years ago, the Phillies had a payroll of almost $58 million dollars. This year, the payroll is $172 million.
Atlanta’s payroll in 2002 was $93,470,367. This year it is $93,529,667. That’s an increase of $593.00.
Wow. Thanks a lot Liberty Media.
July 26th, 201211:23 pm
But I don’t trust Bowman at all. He has been wrong a lot over the years. Sometimes he’s so wrong on stuff I wonder if his job is to actually talk complete bulls**t.
July 26th, 201211:25 pm
Who could have figured that out…
July 26th, 201211:26 pm
That’s an increase of $593.00.
And Pastornicky is worth every dime of it………….as long as they pro rate him while he’s down in Gwinnett.
July 26th, 201211:27 pm
I don’t think anybody with any brain cells that has watched that psycho Roseanne on tv takes her serious.
July 26th, 201211:30 pm
as a businessman the guy was pretty stupid to say what he said
July 26th, 201211:31 pm
Yes, and Roseanne also said she want to use the guillotine on billionaires and is running for President and I believe also Prime Minister in Israel.
July 26th, 201211:32 pm
Really not too disappointed in the whole Dempster thing not working out. Don’t know if the meltdown in the dugout is something he does often, but I’m kind of glad the Braves aren’t getting him now.
July 26th, 201211:34 pm
Sometimes this country is too free. People run their mouths because they can. There should be a law against fat mouths like Roseanne and a fine as big as her fat ugly ass.
July 26th, 201211:35 pm
See where Delgado got the win, 1 run given up.
July 26th, 201211:36 pm
Um – wow – not to get all political, but – stupid first amendment, I guess…
July 26th, 201211:37 pm
I think Nolie should let us know before he goes AWOL, so we won’t worry.
July 26th, 201211:38 pm
Such a double standard in this country.
July 26th, 201211:39 pm
Then again, I can;t say rep$tation on the blog…
July 26th, 201211:40 pm
Rosie Barr. the voice of reason!
you guys do realize the reason we need another pitcher is because of depth.
other then huddy with bone spurs, and sheets because he has not pitched in two years, and hanson who is doing his best to mock jjj lately.
another starter could not hut us right?
monty, I know. I have been thinking about ol nolie. Hope he’s doing okay. Probably never meet the guy, but we’re all here throughout parts of our days and you do build this weird connection through this blog.
Really, guys – try to use rep utation as a single word…
July 26th, 201211:42 pm
hey braves fans! so… who do you all think you going to play in that one game wildcard playoff?
July 26th, 201211:43 pm
I would guess the cardinals
July 26th, 201211:44 pm
If the Braves are really willing to offer what Greinke wants in a contract, I guess it shows how they feel about Teheran, Hanson and Delgado to an extent.
Hanson, probably. I don’t know about those other guys. Young pitching is just so unpredictable and those guys are so young. If a team can make it work, it may be worth getting and ace or near-ace even if it means giving up a young pitcher. It would be shocking if all of the young guys actually ended up being close to as good as Greinke or someone like that. In fact, considering the nature of pitching in general, there’s a halfway decent chance that none of them are ever that good.
CTB- Yup, Nolie’s forgotten more baseball than most of us will ever know.
uga, no, another starter would only help. A pen arm might be just as important depending on how Venters holds up.
July 26th, 201211:45 pm
nats win the east, reds win the cent, giants the west. braves and cards win the wild cards
July 26th, 201211:47 pm
Shaun, well if Bowman is correct, then it’s really up to what Greinke thinks of the Braves’ offer if we get him by Tuesday.
July 26th, 201211:50 pm
I think Tommy will have to come up with a new wrinkle if he is to keep on pitching well next year and beyond, split or decent change. He may stay at his current level for a couple of years but really can’t see him getting better without another strong pitch, if he does that he can throw 89 all day.
July 26th, 201211:51 pm
The Braves have had their issues hitting as well, but I haven’t seen much indicating if the Braves are looking for help off the bench.
July 26th, 201211:52 pm
Don’t think the Pirates can keep up?
Hanson has quickly turned into a finesse pitcher. uga said this even before the season started and he’s was right on. I’d trade him in the offseason.
July 26th, 201211:53 pm
dodgers are better, pittsburgh has james mc, and aj burnett and the MVP.
time to throw our hat in the ring.
July 26th, 201211:54 pm
I like curveball pitchers so I hope Tommy can get back on track. Most of them do give up a lot of homers though. another good pitch couldn’t hurt, neither could developing better control.
usnavyolfaninva, they did a interview with Wren the other day and he said they have some guys in mind they want to get for the bench.
July 26th, 201211:55 pm
I have seen a couple of supposed quotes from Wren that mention a bench player
July 26th, 201211:58 pm
our tv deal will preclude us to have the ability to compete long term.
time to throw all the chips in the middle. philly, the mets, and the nats are going to to be able to out spend us going forward.
this is our chance.
July 27th, 201212:00 am
I am not sure what I want the Braves to do, like I even have a choice.
July 27th, 201212:04 am
I know for certain that I wouldn’t want a soft tosser.
July 27th, 201212:07 am
uga, I don’t see it that way at all. Money doesn’t buy championships. We aren’t turning into the Padres or Astros. Heyward, Freeman, McCann, Kimbrel, Prado, Medlen, Simmons, Hanson and whoever else might be coming through pipelines.
July 27th, 201212:10 am
I do think the Nats are here to stay for a while. They are young and talented. Also they are showing they will spend the money.
July 27th, 201212:11 am
nobody else coming through the pipeline for several years probably, and Chipper and Bourn most likely gone. I can see what Uga is saying, though if we get a pitcher with an extension and a decent hitter this winter we might be in good shape for a few years.
July 27th, 201212:16 am
Maybe instead go out and get a power hitting outfielder, Prado could go play 3rd or 2nd. Who could be some possibilities: Justin Upton, Willingham, Ellsbury, Adam Jones. Any others?
July 27th, 201212:22 am
Why kind of strange person would be bringing up Mills Brothers songs on YouTube?…
July 27th, 201212:24 am
time to throw all the chips in the middle. philly, the mets, and the nats are going to to be able to out spend us going forward.
Maybe you should just give up now – of course, you are welcome to a defeatist attitude towards the rest of time if that makes you happy…
July 27th, 201212:25 am
Must be late at night when CTB and I are in agreement…
July 27th, 201212:31 am
I just went to the Trespass America Tour so that should tell you the kind of music I listen to. Who are the Mills Brothers? By the way had all-access passes at the Trespass concert and got to hang out with all the band members. Some crazy people and also down to earth people.
July 27th, 201212:32 am
time to throw caution into the wind.
this team will never have a better chance,
July 27th, 201212:39 am
we are healthy, simba will be back in two weeks. got the best closer in baseball.
got the best top two hitters in baseball.
and the next four could stretch any lineup in baseball.
trot out chipper, macc, heyward, AND freeman.
why not get greinke.
July 27th, 201212:40 am
Not sure about that uga, but I do agree that something needs to be done. Or a fire needs to be lit under a couple players, big time.
July 27th, 201212:41 am
i like the pirates alot but i just think the cardinals are better equiped for the pennant drive. plus they have done it before
July 27th, 201212:44 am
the dodgers have alot of wholes even with their frantic attempts to plug them at the deadline i dont think it will be enough. their rotation has over performed for the most part of the season.
July 27th, 201212:45 am
it is not giving up. it is about being in the position to win. it is about time to take a frickin chance.
hey guess what was not jose cappellan the best relief pitcher in our system before the kolb trade?
July 27th, 201212:50 am
efrim, has already laid down the dooms day numbers like he did last season.
gotta win this many, or the cards last season in order to win 90.
our schedule is very friendly.
grienke is very doable.
July 27th, 201212:54 am
kershaw, harang, bills, and capuano.
pretty solid five.
July 27th, 201212:58 am
sheets may pitch well, but the fact he is at this point our second best option should scream desperation.
July 27th, 20121:00 am
dempster would make that rotation much better, but billingsley has had injury problems this year and i doubt harang and capuano repeat their first half numbers. maybe they do
July 27th, 20121:01 am
I wonder if the Braves could end up with Dempster and Grienke?
Frank Wren ( if I am reading between the lines), has said the deal for Dempster had a time limit. I take that as the Cubs had to hurry the trade thru, so that Dempster would make his next start for the Braves on Wedneday or the Braves would not include Delgado in the trade. IF, that were true and the Cubs still want to trade him to the Braves(being pissed with the Dodgers for lowballing them and trying to get Dempster at bargin prices), perhaps for Zeke Sprull and a lower minor league pitcher, plus a position player, we could get Dempster and keep Delgado.
That would make it much easier to include Teheran in a trade for Greinke.
Maybe, in that situation, the Braves could send the Brewers: Hanson, Teheran, and another piece.
Suddenly, the braves rotation looks very competitive: Greinke, Hudson, Dempster, Sheets and Minor/Medlen. Also, if the Braves could pull this off and sign Greinke to a 5/6 year contract, resign Sheets(if he holds up thru the end of the season)
2013 Rotation; Greinke, (Eventually in June ), Beachy, Hudson, Sheets and Minor, With Delgado and Vizcaino and Medlen ready in case of injuries.
its not as if the dodgers score alot of runs ether
July 27th, 20121:02 am
give up tehearn or delgado.
scouts never now if either like the other things.
plenty of distractions that sideline a career.
July 27th, 20121:07 am
Efrim your high ceiling low floor only applies to guys that are 20-22. ever considered these guys that come from the Dominican or Panama are enjoying the states and all that they offer.
ever considered that other social variable?
July 27th, 20121:09 am
July 27th, 20121:17 am
adam LaRoche has a .842 .ops
22 doubles, 19 dingers, and 61 rbi.
July 27th, 20121:23 am
wow macc only has 11 doubles.
July 27th, 20121:27 am
roachy can hit.
for a fraction.
July 27th, 20122:05 am
13 million option next season. we can only hope macc puts up those kind of numbers.
July 27th, 20122:20 am
If Mac could be Mac and Uggla improve.We would score more runs.The pitching would look a lot better.Hope I’m wrong,but I think Macs eyes have had it,and I think this is Uggla now.
July 27th, 20122:26 am
Hello eveyone! I’m O.K. with the Dempster deal not following through. At first I was excited, and was happy, but then I heard how he didn’t want to play for the Braves, and the Dodgers were his choice. Still wanted him to change his mind, but the next day he didn’t, and Wren, moved on. That’s when I decided to move on. I’ll say it again. “I’ll be happy with Liriano, Shields, Lester, or Greinke. Just would like another solid pitcher, and will be thrilled to have one of them on the Braves.
July 27th, 20122:28 am
If Wren can put a trade together like he did to get Bourn. That would be a lot better. Hope, Wren can put together a package that is fair, and both clubs will be happy.
You have to be cruel to be kind in the right measure.
July 27th, 20122:31 am
The braves need a hot uggla for August and September. I know Fredi says believe the back of the bubble gum card and I hope Uggla can get near his normal stats.
July 27th, 20122:37 am
If Fredim knew anything,he would not be Fredi.
July 27th, 20122:39 am
Ace – Uggla, does need to get going……. Maybe Uggla, needs to see that chick Bibi Jones to get him going agian?
July 27th, 20123:23 am
Bad joke…………Move on from the joke, but Uggla does need to get going. Hope Uggla, will get it together for another great run of his?
July 27th, 20123:36 am
I help you guy’s with nolie……….nolie – Where are you???????????
July 27th, 20124:22 am
All, have a good one! Talk tomorrow, and Peace my friends……..”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
July 27th, 20125:12 am
1. IF, and this is a big if so I typed it that way, Uggla comes out of it, look out.
2. I look forward to the return of the kid-shortstop.
3. We still need another solid starter. We really do.
July 27th, 20125:25 am
DOB, just curious, why don’t you rate Teheran above Delgado? MLB experience?
Do agree with those suggestions by the way, I just wonder if it’s enough to beat Texas….
Exactly what we need, a SP in a slump to add to our rotation… 14th in the NL isn’t bad enough.
July 27th, 20125:34 am
One AL scout told Joel Sherman of the New York Post that if he were a betting man, he’d put his money on the Rangers landing Zack Greinke. Meanwhile, if the Rangers or Angels land Greinke, the Rays could get the other club to overpay for James Shields
No, not the Rangers!!! Anyways, we don’t need to overpay for Shields, esp. with him slumping. Dang shame Hamels got signed, and a bunch of good pitchers got hurt…
July 27th, 20127:19 am
I think Wren will give the Brewers the package they seek if the Braves are assured that Greinke signs a contract.
Perhaps the Rangers or the Angels could offer Milwaukee better packages of talent, but how much is either team willing to surrender if Greinke isn’t interested in a new contract? How much are they willing to pay for a rental?
July 27th, 20127:28 am
According to Bowman, the Braves will be a favorite if and when Greinke hits the open market this winter. But that may present a challenge for general manager Frank Wren. It may be hard to justify giving up the farm for Greinke when the Braves might be able to get him for only cash over the winter.
Problem is, Wren’s doubtlessly under pressure to keep the Braves in contention. While passing on Greinke now and making a run at him this winter makes sense organizationally, it doesn’t meet Wren’s pressing needs to improve the starting pitching now.
Would Wren give up talent for lesser pitchers in the interim?
July 27th, 20127:29 am
So from 2002 to now the braves pay roll only changed 593,000 right? so what it tells you is A) Inflation on players meaning bigger contracts or B) The braves FO is throwing money at Bad players…. maybe we need to go out and get better FO….. just a thought!
July 27th, 20127:30 am
But money does Help buy championships…… thanks redsox, yankees, phillies and any other team that drives the price up…. salary cap in baseball is needed!
July 27th, 20127:31 am
“Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
There’s no question that Yunel Escobar’s clubhouse rep@tati*n is not helping his market value; it’s been a red flag for some teams”
That’s just shocking and hard to fanthom. Haven’t heard much from Yunel supporters this year.
Good one year, mediocre the next. Yunel’s story.
Wonder why DOB doesn’t come on here much? Partly due to the unjust criticism he wrote regarding Yunel and his time here by the blind followers of Yunel Escobar I bet.
But he has soooo much talent. Lots of people in this world with talent who don’t amount to much because of poor attitudes.
July 27th, 20127:32 am
“According to Bowman, the Braves will be a favorite if and when Greinke hits the open market this winter. But that may present a challenge for general manager Frank Wren. It may be hard to justify giving up the farm for Greinke when the Braves might be able to get him for only cash over the winter.”
Why Dempster always made sense as logical choice to obtain during season.
July 27th, 20127:35 am
Wonder why DOB doesn’t come on here much?
Hmm… Let’s see. DOB has more on his plate than the blog. Try that one on for size.
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