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Half Empty
July 26th, 2012
7:18 pm
you know what you are getting with Greinke, you have no idea with the young guys. Trade one of them, you still have two left. If they think they can afford it, they should do it as long as he is here mostly as long as the traded youngster would have been
Trader Jack
July 26th, 2012
7:21 pm
phil
July 26th, 2012
7:06 pm
What do we think the Braves net Liberty Media each season? After all bills are paid. What’s left for their bottom line?
We’ll never know. To quote John Malone. the Braves “are a convenient piece in the Liberty resume”
Couch Tater
July 26th, 2012
7:22 pm
heard somewhere of the last 435 pitchers that the Orioles have drafted only one has won more then 15 games in a season in the show
I was thinking about that earlier. Of all MLB teams, what is the success rate of draft to MLB? Is there a site that gives that percentage.
abeeewright
July 26th, 2012
7:23 pm
Memphis, July 26th, 2012, 4:57 pm … “Teheran has had opportunities in Atlanta and cant even get out of the 4th or 5th inning. “
Teheran is a young, talented 21 year old who’s hit a bump in the road.
“Delgado is 4-10 with an ERA of 4.50.”
1997 … Tom Glavine … 2-4 … 5.54
” The Braves signed Minor cause he was “signable” . “
You’re thinking about Gilmartin. He’s Signable. Minor is Polished. Easy mistake to make.
Disgusted
July 26th, 2012
7:25 pm
I still have my reservations about moving either Delgado or Minor even for Grienke. My inclination is to make them untouchable for ANY kind of a rental.
Face it, if the Braves get Grienke, it is likely to be a rental, no way the Braves sign him long term unless Liberty Media increases the roll to $125 million and that is not happening.
We cannot afford a Number One pitcher in his prime … Its that simple. Only way we get a Number One is if we develop one. And he will be gone when its his time to get paid.
Wren should talk, and should keep an open mind on all fronts, but anyone who thinks that Grienke is more than a rental is facing disappointment.
Also note that at times both Minor and Delgado are helping the Braves right now. Teheran, he has had struggles in AAA but its too early to tell on him.
And I am SO SO glad the Dumpster rumor fell through —- Screw Dumpster and hope he has a rotten end of his career. He is a BUMB. I hope he stays in the N.L.. and Braves fans Boom him to no end when he shows up here & the Braves rock him out of the box with 8 ER and 12 hits next time Dumpster shows his ass at the Ted.
I hate the BUMB. Some act like he is Bob Gibson in his prime — he ain’t.
Delgado was too much to give for him anyway.
Disgusted
July 26th, 2012
7:27 pm
” The Braves signed Minor cause he was “signable” . “
That was what alot of fans thought at the time but after hitting a big bump in the road Minor is showing maturity and I am looking forward to see what he can do in 2 yrs.
Half Empty
July 26th, 2012
7:29 pm
you can start with the fact that 40% of all first round picks never get to the majors at all, and that is the most successful round;the rest go down with each round. On top of that pitchers have a much lower success rate than position players do.
The odds are very high against each draftee. The ones who are successful and move up the ladder acquire better odds, but there are still a lot of examples of AA and AAA players who end up much less than expected.
I know there is a site or two that covers that but I do not have a link any more
uga-brave
July 26th, 2012
7:36 pm
gallardo vs. jackson tonight. would be nice to see the brew crew at least split.
Memphis
July 26th, 2012
7:41 pm
I believe Dempster has a child that has autism, and I’d heard the reason for him to go out West is for medical reasons and to be closer to his family. You cant hate on that.
Memphis
July 26th, 2012
7:48 pm
Maybe we shoul let Grienke pitch on Saturday against the Nats, and then trade for him,.
ernesto
July 26th, 2012
7:52 pm
Casting one more vote for “glad trade didn’t go through.”
Frankie
July 26th, 2012
7:56 pm
” believe Dempster has a child that has autism, and I’d heard the reason for him to go out West is for medical reasons and to be closer to his family. You cant hate on that.”
Sure you can if your’re rush to quick judgements and strong opinions on a subject matter that few knew what actually happen regarding why he didn’t accept the trade.
From all I have heard, Dempster is a quality guy. Also, a helluva better pitcher than most realize.
Efrim
July 26th, 2012
8:05 pm
Braves have also expressed interest in Shields. Not Garza or Liriano.
Would love Shields. Just going to have to pay big to get him. More than Greinke, I assume. Teheran for sure. I’d probably do it, and I love that kid.
But that’s how much we need a pitcher for the next few seasons.
Bat Masterson
July 26th, 2012
8:07 pm
” believe Dempster has a child that has autism, and I’d heard the reason for him to go out West is for medical reasons and to be closer to his family. You cant hate on that.”
Ryan Dempster’s daughter can not digest food. I think it was along time before she could leave the hospital after she was born. This an older story about them.
http://www.chicagonewscoop.org/with-daughter%E2%80%99s-struggle-a-new-role-for-dempster-3/
Efrim
July 26th, 2012
8:11 pm
I guess it depends on what happens in the next week, but I do think it makes sense to put Tommy Hanson out there this winter. Just need to get two solid months out of him and have him finish the season out and not the DL like last year. Understandably, with the lack of future pitching we see, it’s concerning to trade Hanson – but given his decreased velocity, it’d make sense to see what we can get for him now with three years of control left.
Frankie
July 26th, 2012
8:11 pm
Front row Amy and her twins in her usual seat behind homeplate at Miller.
Bobby
July 26th, 2012
8:13 pm
Why not just trade for Broxton and free Medlen for rotation?
Frankie
July 26th, 2012
8:16 pm
Broxton is having a solid year but not worth the risk IMO and Medlen this season belongs exactly in the role that he is being used. Need a legit starter.
phil
July 26th, 2012
8:18 pm
I can see why Dempster might be more frustrated than most…
Still don’t want the guy.
Bama Brave
July 26th, 2012
8:19 pm
I Agree Frankie plus Dont Need Another Closer.
Efrim
July 26th, 2012
8:21 pm
J.R. Graham strikes out the side in the Top of the 1st for Mississippi. Hit a batter and walked another….but that doesn’t really matter. Just K rate..
Disgusted
July 26th, 2012
8:22 pm
Efrim — Putting Tommy Hanson out there is not out of reach, and if a good deal is there Wren shoul have an open mind.
Tommy might still win 15 plus games, but this issues of decreased velocity and some inconsistency is concerning.
Don’t want to give him away.
ncbravesfan90
July 26th, 2012
8:22 pm
I’d say still a pretty good chance Dempster ends up in Atlanta. Dodgers are now more interested in Garza. Cubs offered Dempster straight up for Allen Webster and Dodgers declined. So looking like Dempster stays in Chicago or comes to Atlanta unless Wren acquires Greinke before then.
Half Empty
July 26th, 2012
8:24 pm
K-Rate uber alles
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
8:27 pm
ncbravesfan90: I don’t think Dempster is coming here unless we don’t have a pitcher by July 30…. and even then, it’d be for “scrap” pieces… I think Wren got disgusted and frustrated by what happened before.
Bama Brave
July 26th, 2012
8:28 pm
They Both Might End Up Here Who Knows really……
ncbravesfan90
July 26th, 2012
8:29 pm
“I don’t think Dempster is coming here unless we don’t have a pitcher by July 30…. and even then, it’d be for “scrap” pieces… I think Wren got disgusted and frustrated by what happened before.”
I agree with you, that it will only be after Wren has exhausted all other avenues for a starting pitcher.
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
8:30 pm
Adam LaRoche not being helpful to the Braves these days…
Efrim
July 26th, 2012
8:31 pm
The Cubs offered to send Dempster to the Dodgers straight up for right-hander Allen Webster, but the Dodgers turned it down, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.
Wow. And Wren was down to trade Randall Delgado while the Dodgers aren’t willing to trade Zach Lee, Allen Webster, Garrett Gould…..
Did they tie up Ned Colletti in the closet? This is the same guy that traded Carlos Santana for 2 months of Casey Blake. Think about that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
8:34 pm
Did they tie up Ned Colletti in the closet?
Well, Magic Johnson is a big man…..
Trader Jack
July 26th, 2012
8:35 pm
Brewers – Talk about a team that has tanked
George
July 26th, 2012
8:37 pm
Got to say sometjing nice about DOB. He has a very good story about CHIPPER on the front page of this. THe only sad thing is in the comments below the story, there are still some CHIPPER haters out there.
ChattTownBrian(CTB)
July 26th, 2012
8:37 pm
Enter your comments here
Trader Jack
July 26th, 2012
8:38 pm
Thanks Brewers
Half Empty
July 26th, 2012
8:38 pm
Chipper haters are the scum of the earth
ncbravesfan90
July 26th, 2012
8:39 pm
5 games back after tonight? Dang
ChattTownBrian
July 26th, 2012
8:39 pm
Ok I was wrong … ain’t no trade happening today. Us perfectionists can’t be right all the time.
ChattTownBrian
July 26th, 2012
8:40 pm
Nats are good at this game.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
8:40 pm
Ben Sheets is going to mow down the Fils. That is the one spot-on, lock-down call you can hang your hat on this weekend. If Sheets can twirl seven, Venters and Kimbrel will take care of the rest.
Why Fredi is being so cryptic is beyond me. Make the obvious move: sh!t-can JJ to Gwinnett and make Medlen the starter. Keep Hanson on a short leash. If he is going to do his annual second half swoon, replace him with Delgado, who will be your starter for the next four years or so.
Save some big money by non-tendering JJ and Hanson, and let the kids come up and show what they have. Another year of Hudson, see what Sheets wants, keep Minor in the fold, ditto Medlen, and have the youngsters fight it out for the fifth spot until Beachy returns in August, which is like a 2013 mid-season trade.
Why are our people so stupid!?
Efrim
July 26th, 2012
8:40 pm
Epstein reportedly was livid when the deal with the Braves fell through and it appears for good reason as a handful of scouts that I spoke with in other organizations felt that the Cubs had made a tremendous deal getting Randall Delgado for essentially a two-to-three month rental. – CSN Chicago
George
July 26th, 2012
8:40 pm
How about RIPKIN’s mom being kidnapped?
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
8:42 pm
George being nice to DOB?
What’s happened to nolie? Where’s he been, miss him…
ChattTownBrian
July 26th, 2012
8:43 pm
Maybe he’s always this way to kind of shrug his shoulders at things, but anybody else see Hanson smirk and shrug his shoulders in the post game show interview? They asked him about all the walks and SB against him and his response was like “yeah oh well”.
ChattTownBrian
July 26th, 2012
8:45 pm
Last time nolie went MIA he was laid up in a hospital, IIRC. I hope the guy is alright and is just taking a little break from the blog. Place is nowhere near the same without nolie.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
8:46 pm
And Dempster wants to stay in Chicago, and even go back? I bet Epstein is so p!zzed that he’d make sure that Hoyer doesn’t tender him a contract…. Why not trade him to Houston.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
8:47 pm
Melvin said he has not had formal negotiations with Greinke about a contract extension since Spring Training, meaning last week’s report that the Brewers had extended a five-year offer in excess of $100 million — a report Greinke himself confirmed — was slightly inaccurate. More likely, Melvin and Greinke’s agent, Casey Close, informally discussed parameters of a potential deal, and the Greinke camp decided the sides’ expectations were too far apart. Greinke is on a path to reach free agency for the first time.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
8:49 pm
I’ve got no beef with Dempster; it’s just not practical for him to be here for some pretty legitimate family reasons. That said, I do not want 9 starts from a guy whose mind and heart are on the other side of the country. I do not like pitchers like Greinke & Burnett who cannot handle the pressure of winning baseball – which speaks to some pretty head-case-type character issues (yeah, I wanna make FAT money but screw around in the second division like the loser I am and feed on other losers less talented than I). Garza is an inconsistent joke not worth the time of day.
Why make a trade just to make a trade???
Half Empty
July 26th, 2012
8:52 pm
should be at least 11 starts from whomever we get
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
8:56 pm
Seriously – Gallardo walks the pitcher to load the bases – there are people on the blog who are convinced the Braves are the only team that would do such a thing (especially in advance of a triple)…
ChattTownBrian
July 26th, 2012
8:56 pm
Everybody needs to know that it’s possible Wren doesn’t get a SP. Very possible imo. Greinke and Shields are really the only two guys I can see Wren having a shot at right now and both will require some heavy duty prospects in return. Even if MIL and ATL agree on a deal for Greinke, apparantly Wren wants an extension of some kind to keep him around considering the prospects you know will have to be in a deal.
Don’t say you haven’t been warned.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
8:57 pm
So what say everyone? Is Francisco Dave Kingman Light – a bomb here and there but not much else, with a low BA to boot? Or does he have a chance to be a Big Papi-type, come out of nowhere and rake nicely somewhere in the near future?
By the way, after seeing Bourn run down some lo-o-o-o-o-ong bombs in the spacious national park that is the Marlins Park OF, the more I think that with him patrolling CF for the next five years, young pitchers will fall in love with him. He’s starting to look like he’s worth the $15 mil per season he is going to want.
Bozo ( The Clown )
July 26th, 2012
8:58 pm
MAN HOW BOUT THE jugs on that smokin hottie behind home plate, and she is scoring the game! talk about the perfect woman! wish i could get my hands on those cans
Bozo ( The Clown )
July 26th, 2012
8:59 pm
gotta be distracting to gallardo
MiaBchBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
9:00 pm
ChattTownBrian: I really hope you are right! I also think there is a remote possibility that Wren is posturing for a trade, but will not pull the trigger at the expense of mortgaging the future, as well as being able to package better trades in the calm of winter after carefull post-season analysis of young pitching assets.
Half Empty
July 26th, 2012
9:00 pm
Though he is having a very good year, I can’t imagine paying Bourn 15 million a year, and I doubt that the Braves will do so. He is having a career year by a good bit, can he keep that up for the length of a new contract? I guess it is possible, but I think it is unlikely.
Trader Jack
July 26th, 2012
9:03 pm
Gave up on the Brewers Nats game. Watching the Pirates vs the Houston “who the hell are these guys” Astros
MiaBchBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
9:04 pm
Half Empty: he is not a PEDS monster. The bombs he has hit this season are things I ignore. My focus is on his ability to get on base, steal bases, manufacture runs, and track down baseballs with the best of them. Very hard to find a combo like that in the majors playing CF. I strongly feel that his skill set will allow him to safely produce optimally for the next five seasons, if not more.
ncbravesfan90
July 26th, 2012
9:04 pm
If Wren does not acquire a starting pitcher then he is throwing the towel in on this season. 14th in the NL in starters ERA and your in a playoff hunt and dont acquire a starting pitcher, then your throwing in the towel for the season. It’s not like we have the Yankees offense and can get by with subpar pitching like we have experienced so far this season. I think Wren knows he has pressure on him to win and win now, Wren WILL acquire a starting pitcher of some kind by Tuesday, right now its just a matter of who. With Chipper’s last season and the possibility of Bourn not being a Brave next season look for Wren to go all in on at least one big name player.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
9:04 pm
The Astros, as of late, are perpetually rebuilding.
Trader Jack
July 26th, 2012
9:05 pm
Talk about an empty stadium in Houston
MiaBchBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
9:06 pm
ncbravesfan90: take away the ERA from the first two months – when injuries made it a shambles – and I think that the Braves are more towards the middle of the pack and improving.
Efrim
July 26th, 2012
9:06 pm
J.R. Graham – 4 IP, 2 hits, 0 ER, 2 BB’s, 7 K’s.
Would definitely be a player I’d target if I were other teams. Braves have a nice Double-A rotation with Gilmartin, Spruill and Graham.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
9:07 pm
The rotation right now – minus JJ – is the most stable it has been the whole season. Add to that the idea that Medlen can further add to that stability, and things can only get better.
ChattTownBrian
July 26th, 2012
9:11 pm
This thing is going to the wire, me believes. I don’t think Greinke or Garza are so desperate to be traded. Those teams could wait it out until a team gets sweaty and offers up that one extra guy they want. Still possible though that Wren gets a strong RP and a RH bat for the bench and calls it a season.Throw Medlen in JJ’s spot. Will wait until the winter to get that top rotation guy.
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
9:12 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Source says #BlueJays still pursuing Josh Johnson, undeterred by series loss to #Athletics
ChattTownBrian
July 26th, 2012
9:13 pm
Meant to write Shields name in there with Garza and Greinke.
ChattTownBrian
July 26th, 2012
9:15 pm
Jays can have Josh Johnson. One less big arm we have to deal with. Please take him.
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
9:16 pm
Need to experiment – will post something by Buster in pieces to see why the blog won’t accept it…
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
9:17 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
There’s no question that
BFChris27
July 26th, 2012
9:18 pm
It works VJ.
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
9:20 pm
Yunel Escobar’s
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
9:21 pm
is not helping his market value
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
9:23 pm
it’s been a red flag for some teams.
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
9:24 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
There’s no question that Yunel Escobar’s clubhouse rep@tati*n is not helping his market value; it’s been a red flag for some teams.
Apparently jeffrey’s efforts to repair Yunel’s rep@tati*n have not been totally successful…
Venice Jim
July 26th, 2012
9:25 pm
Wow – the word I substituted the @ and * for was not accepted by the blog – very weird – maybe because of the Spanish word in the middle?
Zing
July 26th, 2012
9:26 pm
DOB: Who came up with the Battleaxe nickname for Chipper?
Efrim
July 26th, 2012
9:29 pm
J.R. Graham done after 77 pitches. 46 strikes, 31 balls. 5 IP, 2 hits, 0 ER, 2 BB’s, 8 K’s.
Jerry
July 26th, 2012
9:42 pm
From David Kaplan via Twitter: Just spoke with a great source who told me that the Dodgers are balking at including what the Cubs need to make a Dempster deal.
Sweet! Love it for Dempster’s dumb ass. Hate it that we might wind up when his lame butt.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
9:42 pm
Graham + Salcedo for Greinke!!!
Seriously, Graham has impressed me this year… would love to see him in ATL soon, maybe August/September 2013??
abeeewright
July 26th, 2012
9:43 pm
Banttleaxe is better than the old gray mare but it still reminds me of the classic nickname for a mother-in-law.
keylargo
July 26th, 2012
9:43 pm
MiaBchBravesFan -
I know you and I both thought that Luria & Samson, the crooks and owners of the Marlins would try to have a winning year or two in their new stadium and then find a buyer to cash in on MLB and the tax payers of Miami.
But what do you think they’re up to now having a salary purge with 60 games to play? I guess they’re just too cheap to pay salaries when they’re not in first place. But then again, the Marlins have never won the NL East. Everything they ever did in the post season has been from the Wild Card.
Here’s another sign that they’ll also dump Josh Johnson, something the Braves should check out.
I’d trade Delgado for Johnson before I would for Dempster.
Miami might not be done, with pitcher Josh Johnson and Bell also trade possibilities before Tuesday’s deadline to make swaps without waivers.
Trader Jack
July 26th, 2012
9:46 pm
Nats 7 Brewers 0
Didn’t expect any help from those guys
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 26th, 2012
9:48 pm
No-no-no! Why does Texas seem to go for the best players every year? Shame all their pitchers got injured, or Greinke could’ve been ours much more easily…
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
My guess is Texas. Very motivated front office, and a great farm system. @david_harris22 jerry who do you think ends up with greinke?
Jerry
July 26th, 2012
9:56 pm
David Kaplan @thekapman 8m
*Update* Dodgers do not want to put Allen Webster in the deal and the package that they are offering is very suspect.Cubs will not cave.
Bama Brave
July 26th, 2012
9:57 pm
I Hope The Rangers Go After Josh Johnson OR James Sheilds..
Bat Masterson
July 26th, 2012
9:57 pm
The homerun king ……… Amazing
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/barry-bonds-sports-look-fancy-bicycle-slimmed-down-211832336–mlb.html
DS1
July 26th, 2012
9:57 pm
Sure wish the Rangers would get off the dime and deal for Greinke, so we can end that chapter for the Braves.
Just sayin……….
If Chicago came back with Dempster on a platter all ready to go, I’d offer them one of the Double A guys.
And tell them to take it or pound sand.
DS1
July 26th, 2012
10:01 pm
Bat
Checked out the Bonds picture, and ……. WOW! Any doubt should be removed at this point. “But it was just flax seed oil!”
DS1
July 26th, 2012
10:02 pm
Flight to SLC is departing from Detroit City in a few minutes.
Bo Graves!
UNCBrave
July 26th, 2012
10:05 pm
That sucks that the Dodgers won’t take Dempster…That means that Wren will go back to them and give them Delgado for a guy that does not want to pitch for Atlanta…
BTW, anyone see DOB’s series of tweets about KING FELIX earlier??
GET ZACK GREINKE WREN! We need an ACE!
Jerry
July 26th, 2012
10:13 pm
I saw the picture too Wayne, but I’m not gonna say it removes any doubt. I say that because back in the day wrestler Billy “Superstar” Graham juiced up to get his body. Once he got off the juice, his body was a sagging mess. Still, strange to see Bonds as he was in 1992 and then swell like he did and now to be back to the originalBarry Bonds size. Looks good though. Juiced or not, I was a fan of his.
Jerry
July 26th, 2012
10:16 pm
I don’t think Chicago gets Delgado at this point. That ship has already sailed. But with that being said, if Wren were to give them Delgado anyway, then he should be hung from the nearest rafter. Just sayin…
Trader Jack
July 26th, 2012
10:18 pm
Bat Masterson
July 26th, 2012
9:57 pm
The homerun king ……… Amazing
Yeah, but he knows what’s wrong with Lincecum, and he can fix it – LOL
brian
July 26th, 2012
10:20 pm
Jr graham has to be moving up the prospect ladder
old man
July 26th, 2012
10:23 pm
Why would anyone say Medlen is not legit as a starter? Prior to his injury, he was the best starter on the club.
If you stand pat with Delgado, Minor, and Teheran, you might very well have the money to keep Bourne. But not if you have signed a starting pitcher to a 100 million contract, someone who might not outperform one of our young arms in 2013.
Half Empty
July 26th, 2012
10:30 pm
I strongly feel that his skill set will allow him to safely produce optimally for the next five seasons, if not more. Mia
why would he produce so much better than he has before for another 5 years. i think it much more likely that he drops back to his old numbers which are in no way worth 15million, or even 13 million. Career seasons in contract years are usually just that, career years followed by regression. PEDS had nothing to do with anything.
Half Empty
July 26th, 2012
10:34 pm
Juiced or not, I was a fan of Bonds too. Great player. dang shame
ncbravesfan90
July 26th, 2012
10:35 pm
“take away the ERA from the first two months – when injuries made it a shambles – and I think that the Braves are more towards the middle of the pack and improving.”
Post all start break they are still 13th in NL so I wouldn’t exactly call that improving. Not to mention also 13th in Quality starts for the year. Have to acquire at least one starting pitcher to contend this year.
brian
July 26th, 2012
10:38 pm
Delgado for Dempster is a big overpay unless Brett Jackson or another prospect comes over as well
semiballcoach
July 26th, 2012
10:38 pm
home run king??? i didn’t see aaron