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Woody Woodward
July 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
I’m agin’ it.
Woody Woodward
July 24th, 2012
1:02 pm
He’s too old.
JoshTown
July 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
Sad stats on Uggla. Hope he comes around into some kind of form before October.
Jon
July 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
Trade Uggla. Forget Dempster and go for Greinke.
But whatever they do, they need to hurry and win before we fall too far back in the standings.
phil
July 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
Dumpster has a stinkin beard too….another in a long line of reasons not to get this guy.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
1:05 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
But we’ve got 2012 fish to fry first.
That’s a lot of fish to fry and eat….
Thanks Chief!
tony austin
July 24th, 2012
1:05 pm
He’s struggled since coming to ATL. That song sounds way too familiar.
Woody Woodward
July 24th, 2012
1:06 pm
A reddish beard to boot.
jharber
July 24th, 2012
1:07 pm
Srry JoshTown, he is what he is worthless. Hugh anchor on this team.
David O'Brien
July 24th, 2012
1:08 pm
Dumpster has a stinkin beard too….another in a long line of reasons not to get this guy. — phil
The I-can’t-grow-a-beard crowd has now been heard from. Thank you.
the truth
July 24th, 2012
1:08 pm
Saw Elvis at The Fox back in 83. F’ing awesome. Hey DOB, the song for next Mondays blog should be “I Don’t Like Mondays” Boomtown Rats.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick said Monday that it’s a “reasonable assumption” that Justin Upton will remain with the team for the rest of the season.
Reasonable expectations.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
Thanks for the work DOB!
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
If Dempster can get a beard to grow on me, maybe I’ll like the deal
JP
July 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
Wow, Elvis Costello is the MOST overrated musician ever. You name me three good songs he wrote and I’ll give you fifty grand.
He seems to have a hold on the 50 somethings, liberal elite, who probably think gentrification is the downfall of this country
Woody Woodward
July 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
No, Richard Thompson takes the prize for most overrated.
tony austin
July 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
I shave every other week whether I need to or not.
Sad Sack
July 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
You won’t be able to trade Uggla No one would want him at this point
phil
July 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
Beards matter when it comes to WHIP and walk/strikeout ratios and all….
Seriously, nice blog today. And glad to see you use Uggly in there too. I would say it can’t get worse, but obviously it could.
No. 1 Braves Fan
July 24th, 2012
1:13 pm
DOB: Why are my posts awaiting moderation?
Fols
July 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Great blog……disappointing song choice….if we win on an Elvis Costello day i’ll be shocked.
Uggla stat over-load. Man he’s been something else. Literally…
Woody Woodward
July 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Maybe Uggla should grow a beard. Or stop shaving his forearms.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
17 year old, LHP Luis Merejo with another rough outing in the GCL. Of course, stats down in the complex league are pretty worthless. I think the scouting report I read was a fastball that ran up to 93mph with an above average changeup and some feel for a breaking ball.
Old devil
July 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
I, too dislike the bearded pitchers, (never saw Glavine or Maddux with one). But I especially don’t like Cubs players who have been in a culture of losing environment. Grienke would have been a much better way to go. Just dreamin’…
Jimmy
July 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
We have a 1240 start tomorrow.
So if this Dempster thing is going through, he needs to nod his head and get on a plane to Miami.
I just don’t understand the 20 plus hour gap.
Brian from SC
July 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Here’s how Dempster would rank among Braves starters in 2012 if the trade happens (not counting Sheets, who’s only had two starts; so basically comparing him to Hudson, Hanson, and Minor)
ERA – 1st
K/9 – 3rd
BB/9 – 1st
K/BB – 1st
HR/9 – 2nd
WHIP – 1st
H/9 – 1st
Opp. BA, OBP, and SLG – 1st
Quality Starts – 1st
IP/start – 1st
Braves Fan in Maine
July 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
thanks for the new bloggage DOB……. I am really getting irritated waiting on a yay or nay for dumpster
Bat Masterson
July 24th, 2012
1:16 pm
Dumpster has a stinkin beard too….another in a long line of reasons not to get this guy. _ phil
I was getting ready to say, at least Dempster has a beard going for him, that’s something, right. Smoltz had a beard and look what he did for the Braves.
phil
July 24th, 2012
1:16 pm
I suspect we could trade Uggla to one of a very few suitors….not sure who would have a need, but if Danny Ferry can unload Joe Johnson, as hopeless as that looked, then Wren could offload Uggly on someone, even if we have to eat a few bucks over the years to make it happen.
His wild inconsistency hurts this team much more than it helps, imho….
If I was looking to do anything at this point, it would be deperately trying to send Uggly on down the line….whether he hits .750 with 50 homers the rest of the year or not.
Woody Woodward
July 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
Just curious how he stacks up against Beachy, Brian. I know it’s not the point, but curious.
Fols
July 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
If I was 35 years old, pitching for the Cubs and received an offer to join a legit playoff race to possibly land a large contract next season…I wouldn’t even have time to grab my toothbrush…
Pace
July 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
As I understand it, with a 10/5 player, there is a 24 hour wait time until the trade is official? So, unless Dempster says yes within the next 20 minutes, he won’t be eligible to pitch tomorrow? Or can the time be waived?
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
Here’s how Dempster would rank among Braves starters in 2012
It’s really too bad the team didn’t have him when he compiled all those stats. What the Braves are going to get is the pitcher going forward and that could be anything. Could be he reverts back to his average self and looks like a 4.30 ERA guy with a 1.4 WHIP.
Brian from SC
July 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
We don’t know that Dempster is “having trouble deciding” (as one commenter put it). Maybe he’s doing some negotiating of his own with the Cubs. Who knows? I wouldn’t rush to judgment about the process on his end.
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
[Costello] seems to have a hold on the 50 somethings, liberal elite, who probably think gentrification is the downfall of this country
Obviously a music Nazi.
Braves Fan in Maine
July 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
DOB what do you think the braves should do for other possible moves to help this team because even if we get dempster we still have hitting issues??
phil
July 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
Bat makes a solid point….
Trading millions of dollars in salaries and so forth, which is what it actually is in the business world, isn’t as simple as go catch a plane. There are a myriad of details to be worked through. If this deal is to happen, obviously this stuff has to be tended to first. Someone leaked this thing way early in the process is my best guess.
Not that I’m in favor of it. I’m not.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
with a 10/5 player, there is a 24 hour wait time until the trade is official?
Ichiro was acquired and played pretty quickly… he had 10/5 rights.
BraveOne
July 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
Tell Frank to get Dempster the Hammer costume from the tool race at Turner Field. Dempster wants to be the “Hammer and not the nail” on where he is traded too. Let him be the hammer and give him the costume to wear in order to hammer this deal home.
Pace
July 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
That’s why I was asking – did he waive time?
Fols
July 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
As per twitter, Dempster’s wife worked for the Atlanta Thrashers.
Perhaps he’s taking his time looking at the Winnipeg Goldeyes ball club thinking….what if….
Brian from SC
July 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
Just curious how he stacks up against Beachy, Brian. I know it’s not the point, but curious.
Beachy has him beat by a little in K/9, ERA, and the opponents’ hitting rates. Dempster has fewer walks, fewer homers, better K/BB, and more innings per start.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
If this deal does fall through due to Dempster feeling “blindsided” I wonder if any heads roll?
donte080
July 24th, 2012
1:21 pm
I find it interesting so many here are anxious to trade for a 35 year old sub.500 pitcher with a 4.30 career ERA having a career year and yet are so willing to trade away our starting 2B who provides some HR power on a team which lacks HR power?
overrated musciain?
July 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
Richard Thompson? Really? Most think that if he had a better publicity person he would be better known and appreciated than Clapton.
Listen to his early work with his wife Linda
Geez…
Woody Woodward
July 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
Thanks, Brian.
ccrider
July 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
JP, Pay up! Elvis Costello “Pump it Up”, ” Radio Radio” and “What’s so funny about Peace, Love an Understanding”
Oh, and The Song JP is an IDIOT
Jimmy
July 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
Brain – That would be me. Have you ever seen anything like this?
Pace- I hear something like that too. But Ichiro played last night. Don’t know what the rule is. Bet someone on here does though.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
Signable goes for Double-A Mississippi tonight.
Wren dreams of a rotation headed by Mike Minor and Sean Gilmartin. Pumping those 89mph fastballs by those #8 and #9 hitters.
Braves Fan in Maine
July 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
I just want to know…….. either way it sounds like we are going to make a strong push for greinke in the off season if he doesnt resign with the brewers!!
abeeewright
July 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
“Lew, July 24th, 2012, 12:20 pm … “Maybe De;gado would be only a number three starter, but he’ll be that nuimber three under control for five more years”
Right now, Delgado isn’t even the number 5 in a Braves rotation that includes Jair “I’m done but pay me anyway” Jurrjens.
He might grow into a #3 in a couple of years. Right about when he starts getting expensive.
I agree that Delgado is still more valuable than 2 months of Dempster. But, a #3 starter can be found if necessary when the time comes.
Right now, Dempster is a proven #3 who is pitching like a #1.
Brian from SC
July 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
Jimmy…I don’t know. The Braves don’t swing trades for 10/5 guys very often, right?
Around The Horn
July 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
A TERRIBLE TRADE FRANK
So now Frank Wren has decided to mortgage the Braves future for a “going on” 36 year old pitcher.
You gave up far too much in Delgado Frank.
I’ve not been against Wren as a GM up until this point, but there’s little wisdom in giving up such a promising young starter for a two month rental.
You gave up so much for so little!
A far better move – to ensure the Braves more wins this year – would have been simply to replace Fredi as manager.
You must have thought Frank, as Ken Rosenthal alluded to earlier this season, that your job is on the line if the team doesn’t win this year.
Was the pressure on because of your past foolishness Frank?
You readily got fooled in hiring Fredi Gonzalez, who’s clearly incompetent as a major league manager – and is probably the worst tactical manager in the majors.
You got fooled in giving current NL strikeout leader Dan Uggla a 12.4 million dollar per year contract, the highest contract ever paid to a second baseman.
You got fooled with signing D. Lowe to “a high rent district” Scott Boras styled contract, which you’re eating 10 million dollars of this year.
You also got fooled with K. Kawakami, who spent his last year languishing in the minors – at 7 million a year.
So no, it won’t be for either you or the Braves, as the old Who song suggests: “WE WON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN!”
For Frank, you JUST GOT FOOLED AGAIN!
This is a John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander kind of a trade in reverse!
In fact over the weekend the Washington broadcasters commented that Delgado reminded them somewhat of Pedro Martinez, while discussing Delgado’s potential.
And Theo Epstein is laughing all the way toward rebuilding the Cubs with a high quality Braves prospect – just as the Rangers once did with four high quality Braves prospects.
To think I was lauding you for showing some restraint this winter – by not trading away young prospects.
Who should you have traded to get Dempster Frank? Someone like a Todd Redmond – maybe combined with a lesser prospect.
But you already traded Redmond away to get Janish, didn’t you Frank, when you realistically could have used Pastornicky** and Wilson (who won’t be out long) for six weeks.
**(After all Frank, you thought Pastornicky was qualified enough defensively to start the season.)
It’s a TERRIBLE TRADE FRANK, JUST TERRIBLE!!
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
If this deal does fall through due to Dempster feeling “blindsided” I wonder if any heads roll?
Wouldn’t the “blindside” have come from the Cubs org? If so, I don’t care who gets fired.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
If this deal does fall through due to Dempster feeling “blindsided” I wonder if any heads roll?
Whose?
JC Boscan III
July 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
Dempster alone will not fix our ills – not enough to get to a World Series. Hanson’s sliding, Sheets is our 2nd most reliable starter (after 2 starts), we can’t hit lefties, our pinch-hitting is pathetic, and Uggla’s getting worse as the season progresses…….. One move alone will not fix the Braves. Will Wren be aggressive enough to address all of our weaknesses, or just patch the inner tube with Dempster (if they can complete the deal…)…???!
dap01
July 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
I would rather have traded for Infante or a good outfielder. With another player, we could sit Uggla and play Prado at 2nd until Uggla gets a clue.
Right now he sucks.
We have the best 1-2 hitters in the majors and our big hitters outside of Chipper have not delivered.
Forget Dempster, let him stay in that looser clubhouse at Wrigly.
Let’s continue to rebuild, we are a long ways away.
Woody Woodward
July 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
The guy’s self indulgent as a guitarist and uninteresting as a songwriter. Saw him a few years ago and it was the longest night of my life. Geez, yourself.
O.J.
July 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
Reminds me of the whole Ken Griffey Jr rumors.
Fols
July 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
“willing to trade away our starting 2B who provides some HR power on a team which lacks HR power?”
Some….Bourn has ’some’, we pay Uggla to have LOTS.
Arkansas Transplant
July 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
Our window for trading Uggla this season has closed. Detroit would have been a suitor had they not gotten Infante.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
Gotta imagine it’s the Cubs who will be heated if they don’t get Delgado for Dempster. Cubs fans should be doing backflips right now. Braves traded 2 months of Mark Teixeira and got Casey Kotchman and Stephen Marek. And the Braves had two picks coming to them and that’s still all they got. Just awful.
Arkansas Transplant
July 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
“willing to trade away our starting 2B who provides some HR power on a team which lacks HR power?”
Exactly where is this power I’m hearing about?
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
1:26 pm
This is a John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander kind of a trade in reverse…broadcasters commented that Delgado reminded them somewhat of Pedro Martinez.
Pardon me, I gotta go get my high-waders, ’cause it’s getting deep in here.
Randall Delgado as John Smoltz/Pedro Martinez. Yowsah.
mountain_jim
July 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
Wish it was Hanson and Jurrjens being traded, not Delgado. I am tired of watching these slow-working junk-ballers on the mound for the Braves.
phil
July 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
Can we trade manager FG for Cub manager Sveum?
Now that one I support!
Although I will say that watching Fredi chew the idiot 1B ump out last night made me proud. He does far too little of that for my liking though. Especially when his normally calm demeanor seems to result in more close calls going against rather than for us….
Is there a stat on that?
abeeewright
July 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
My take on the laz diaz crap-call last night …
It was closer in slo-mo than it looked live, but Heyward was clearly safe. Assuming Chipper still hits the single in the next AB, you’re looking at 1st and 3rd with one out and a run in.
Tie run comes in on the next batter, maybe.
Whether Braves win it in extras is moot. But, that was a huge missed call.
Give Fredi his props for chewing on Diaz. That’s for all those folks who don’t think Fredi ever shows any fire.
coach
July 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
Braves have traded P Delgado, P Minor, 2B Uggla, 3B Francisco and OF Castanza to Brewers for P Grenkie, OF Braun and 3B Ramirez
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
Well the Braves are 23 hours from tomorrow’s game. I’m guessing Dempster starts Friday vs. the Phils.
Hanson’s shoulder won’t get the rest needed.
Vacillating Screen Name
July 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
“He seems to have a hold on the 50 somethings, liberal elite, who probably think gentrification is the downfall of this country”
Hey JP. Suck on it! You obviously contribute to the “other” large deficit our country is experiencing.
Critical thinking. You only know to repeat what you heard from someone who actually has a brain.
BravePack(FreeFan)
July 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
Here’s an idea for sh!ts and giggles…how about next Monday game DOB doesn’t even mention any Monday records or stats and we see what happens?
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
Whose?
Who ever it was that called Bowman.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
I am tired of watching these slow-working junk-ballers on the mound for the Braves.
What exactly is a “junk-baller”?
abeeewright
July 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
“Our window for trading Uggla this season has closed.”
I’m pretty sure that window never opened.
phil
July 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
Heads should roll….
If for no other than reason than just because, of course.
stevie zero
July 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
does anyone have the common sense to tell fuggla to stop swinging so f@#$ing hard?? i mean what is he trying to prove, other than he’s inadequate in some way….. youre killing us, dude. 12 mil a year. Aye
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
Who ever it was that called Bowman.
Oh. Yeah, I could see that.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
…come from the Cubs org?
I’d imagine they’d be bummed about losing out on Delgado…
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
Oh. Yeah, I could see that.
They should probably fire him anyway simply for talking to Bowman.
donte080
July 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
He hit 36 HRs last year…..got hot right about the time the noise level got loud in here last season….
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Dempster Foundation @RyanDempsterFDN
Nothing official to report. You will be the 1st to know. Thnx to all my fans for the support #RD46 50 minutes ago
It really could be an extension or at the very least, he wants some sort of compensation from the Cubs to waive it.
Vacillating Screen Name
July 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Delgado reminds me of the Colon kid the Braves traded to … who was it? The Tigers? A few years back. He played in the futures game. He had all kind of potential. Plus fastball, plus breaking stuff. Played in the futures game. Loads of accolades and predictions of greatness.
Now I can’t even really remember his name. Colon?
AZBravoFan
July 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Has Chipper talked to Dempster at all, done any lobbying? Or is that not allowed?
Billy Beaneater
July 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Sorry ccrider but Nick Lowe wrote ‘Peace Love and Understanding’. Insert ‘Watching the Detectives’ instead.
Braves Fan in Maine
July 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
I am so beside my self……. this deal goes from being finalized to being 50-50, to being waiting on dempster…… it appears to me this could be a bigger deal than what we first thought……. maybe soriano back in the deal or reed johnson
Capt.Mudd
July 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
A true, non-fictional piece….reading it was a bit difficult; I really like Dan Uggla. The content regarding Uggla really exposed statistically, how inept he has been {especially the past six wks.}. Let’s just trust (his) history and assume we are witnessing a climb not so much a decent since he will be a Brave for a few more seasons. IMO and as many bloggers appear to: think–it will be sooner than later to witness a rise in his stats. Thanks for the new blog–CR.
phil
July 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
I’m for dumping Uggly just for financial reasons over the next three years…I don’t particularly care what we get for the guy. I’ll take 2-3 minor leagurers that walk upright and can breathe….
He kills us much more than he helps.
See? He just struck out again!
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein
Not trade prospects. RT @tpgMets: @Kevin_Goldstein What do you think the #Mets should try to do w/the roster over the next week?
Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein
Lost you after first four words. RT @Zac_Zielinski: @Kevin_Goldstein If TEX trades Profar, do you still see Andrus leaving down the road?
One of the better reads on twitter, BP’s Kevin Goldstein.
Halbert
July 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
The scary part about Uggla is his total inability to make adjustments to try to at least slow the slide towards Mendoza. I mean, yes, they pay him to hit home runs and drive in runs, but spending a few days hitting balls back up the middle and going to right field for some singles and doubles would still help the team and, hey, just might get his confidence and swing back on track. This is two years now where for a large part of the season he has been a total zero out there. For what the Braves are paying him that just can’t happen.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Fire Mark Bowman and his source…
ncscoots
July 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Now I can’t even really remember his name. Colon?
Roman Colon? That guy?
Brian from SC
July 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Rosenthal reports that Dempster is waiting for the Cubs to strike a deal with the Dodgers. He apparently much prefers them to Atlanta.
bobbymahlon
July 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
I hope Dempster is not pulling a Furcal on us so he can go to the Dodgers. All Wren talks about is how we need a power right hand hitter so he brings up a punch and judy left hand hitter. I don’t care if Urnesto Mejia is on the 40 man roster or not let him pinch hit and play a little first base and give Freeman a rest once and awhile and see if he can play his old position left field, he can’t be worse than Hinski.
Efrim
July 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
Now I can’t even really remember his name. Colon?
Delgado is a lot better than Roman Colon. Not even close. Colon had no control and very little command.
TennesseePaul
July 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
Delgado reminds me of the Colon kid the Braves traded
You are speaking of Roman Colon. He along with Zach Minor were traded to the Tigers for Farnsworth.
Colon couldn’t throw anything but heat from what I recall. He got lit up in the majors. I recall the reports about them asking how he succeeded in the minors and it was “he threw his fastball by everybody.” Not long after that he was traded.
phil
July 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
Dempster Foundation @RyanDempsterFDN
Nothing official to report. You will be the 1st to know. Thnx to all my fans for the support #RD46 50 minutes ago
**************
If that’s actually Dumpster, then clearly it’s no longer hanging on him alone…he’s given his okay….it’s details or other players involvement issues.
Nick
July 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
If Uggla isn’t hitting here then why would anyone else want him? The same can be said for JJ.
The best thing we can do is be patient and hope he bust out of it with a streak, like he did last year. You can’t come out of a slump on the bench. The offense isn’t the problem with this team, so staying with him is the best option at this point. It may be wise to look at other options in the offseason, but somehow I still think he winds up with 30+ homers (he always has). The lack of RBI’s can be absorbed by J-Hey’s improved offense.
Brian from SC
July 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-ryan-dempster-does-not-want-trade-atlanta-braves-los-angeles-dodgers-072412
Ray
July 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
I doubt if the braves were/are considering trading uggla. So do yourself a favor and the rest of us, stop playing fantasy gm and talking about trading him. Also, if the Braves trade delgado for dempster, how is THAT mortgaging the future? he is not the only “prospect.” The other aspect he is showing he simply is not ready, and may not be ready next year either.
tony austin
July 24th, 2012
1:35 pm
I fell pretty certain I won’t be the first to post this:
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: Dempster does not want to go to #Braves – at least not yet. http://on-msn.com/MUJrN7