Braves trying to complete trade for pitcher Dempster
MIAMI – The Braves had a trade in place for veteran Cubs pitcher Ryan Dempster on Monday, but are waiting for the major league ERA leader to approve the deal.
Dempster told the Cubs last week that he was open to a trade to one of several teams pursuing him, and the Braves were reportedly second on his preferred list behind the Dodgers. The Dodgers wouldn’t trade a prized prospect the Cubs wanted in a proposed deal.
When several media outlets reported a Braves-Cubs trade for Dempster was done Monday, Dempster and Cubs manager Dale Sveum said the reports were innacurate. The pitcher didn’t elaborate on whether there was no deal in place or just that he’d not approved of it yet, but ESPN.com reported that he felt “blindsided” after news of the deal got leaked.
It was also reported that Braves rookie right-hander Randall Delgado was in the trade, although neither team would confirm.
Dempster has trade-veto rights as a 10-and-5 player — a veteran with at least 10 years of major league service including five or more with his current team. As of late Monday night, it was believed the Braves and Cubs were still waiting for him to approve the deal.
“I know what you know — maybe a little bit more; I’m not going to lie to you guys” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said before Monday night’s game against the Marlins. “We’re in a holding pattern.”
A person familiar with negotiations said Monday afternoon he thought the deal was done and was surprised it had not been announced.
Dempster, 35, is 5-4 with a 2.11 ERA in 15 starts. He’s making $14 million in the final season of a four-year, $52 million contract, and is eligible for free agency after the season. The Cubs would likely pay a portion of the approximate $5.5 million he’s owed for the rest of the season.
His last start for the Cubs was Friday, when Dempster gave up four runs in six innings of a loss to St. Louis to snap a five-start winning streak in which he allowed 22 hits in 33 scoreless innings.
Gonzalez was asked if he thought one starter could make a major difference for the Braves, whose starters had a 4.43 ERA that ranked 14th in the National League before Monday, ahead of only a pair of last-place teams, the Astros and Rockies.
“Well, if that does happen, [Dempster] and Sheets, that’s two starters, which would be a big plus,’ Gonzalez said. “And I think going forward, you need to match up pitching-wise. You don’t have to score eight runs offensively, but you need to be able to match up pitching-wise. But again, we don’t know about Dempster as of 5 o’clock on Monday. We’ll see how that materializes.”
Dempster has allowed one or no runs in 10 of his 15 starts, and the Cubs scored one or no runs while he was in six games including all four of his losses. He has a career-best 1.051 WHIP (walks plus hits per inning pitched) and ranked third in the NL with a .209 opponents’ average and second with a .265 opponents’ on-base percentage.
If the Braves got him, Dempster could replace Jair Jurrjens, whose struggles continued when he gave up six runs in 2-1/3 innings of Sunday’s 9-2 loss at Washington. Jurrjens has a 7.04 ERA and .350 opponents’ average in 10 starts this season.
Jurrjens has allowed 17 hits and 14 runs in 5-2/3 innings of two starts since the All-Star break. Braves rookie left-hander Mike Minor has been erratic, with a 5-6 record and 5.69 ERA entering his Monday start against the Marlins at Miami. But Minor made progress in recent weeks.
“We’ve struggled with our consistency because we’ve struggled at the end of our rotation, and you saw it today,” Braves third baseman Chipper Jones said after Sunday’s loss. “It’s a little demoralizing when you’re in a dogfight for the division and you’re constantly fighting from behind.”
Dempster has a 117-120 career record with 87 saves and a 4.31 in 534 games (309 starts) with the Marlins, Reds and Cubs. After collecting 87 saves in three seasons as a Cubs closer, he moved back to a starter’s role in 2008 and has a 58-45 record and 3.63 ERA since.
He was 17-6 with a 2.96 ERA in 2008, when he made the All-Star team and finished sixth in the NL Cy Young award balloting.
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JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
First?
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
1st
foist
July 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
foist
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:34 pm
JHC – you can’t be first. You are a nolie-hating troll.
Now, I’ll go read.
HeyJay
July 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm
We need pitching. Who’s next on the list?
Let’s deal big for King FELIX!
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
I don’t care what any one says – Dempster is an upgrade to this rotation.
Him, Huddy, Hanson and Sheets can make it happen.
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Is dempster the answer?. . . . . . .
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Jimmy</b< – Oh, are those the rules? Gotcha….SECOND! ;p
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:37 pm
Dumpster – I don’t really care. Let’s just win tonight.
Jason
July 23rd, 2012
6:37 pm
I don’t understand… Yankees get Ichiro in a cleanly announced trade, yet Braves have a PR mess now with is deal. Why can’t it just be cut and dry? It’s embarrassing.
reckingball
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Trading away Delgado would be a huge mistake, imo.
hank
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
does he have a deadline to accept to the trade?
Around The Horn
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
A TERRIBLE TRADE FRANK
So now Frank Wren has decided to mortgage the Braves future for a “going on” 36 year old pitcher.
You gave up far too much in Delgado Frank.
I’ve not been against Wren as a GM up until this point, but there’s little wisdom in giving up such a promising young starter for a two month rental.
You gave up so much for so little!
A far better move – to ensure the Braves more wins this year – would have been simply to replace Fredi as manager.
You must have thought Frank, as Ken Rosenthal alluded to earlier this season, that your job is on the line if the team doesn’t win this year.
Was the pressure on because of your past foolishness Frank?
You readily got fooled in hiring Fredi Gonzalez, who’s clearly incompetent as a major league manager – and is probably the worst tactical manager in the majors.
You got fooled in giving current NL strikeout leader Dan Uggla a 12.4 million dollar per year contract, the highest contract ever paid to a second baseman.
You got fooled with signing D. Lowe to “a high rent district” Scott Boras styled contract, which you’re eating 10 million dollars of this year.
You also got fooled with K. Kawakami, who spent his last year languishing in the minors – at 7 million a year.
So no, it won’t be for either you or the Braves, as the old Who song suggests: “WE WON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN!”
For Frank, you JUST GOT FOOLED AGAIN!
This is a John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander kind of a trade in reverse!
In fact over the weekend the Washington broadcasters commented that Delgado reminded them somewhat of Pedro Martinez, while discussing Delgado’s potential.
And Theo Epstein is laughing all the way toward rebuilding the Cubs with a high quality Braves prospect – just as the Rangers once did with four high quality Braves prospects.
To think I was lauding you for showing some restraint this winter – by not trading away young prospects.
Who should you have traded to get Dempster Frank? Someone like a Todd Redmond – maybe combined with a lesser prospect.
But you already traded Redmond away to get Janish, didn’t you Frank, when you realistically could have used Pastornicky** and Wilson (who won’t be out long) for six weeks.
**(After all Frank, you thought Pastornicky was qualified enough defensively to start the season.)
It’s a TERRIBLE TRADE FRANK, JUST TERRIBLE!!
TDub
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Rosenthal is saying a possible holdup might be that the Braves want to sign him to an extension, and Dempster wants to play for a team that trains in Arizona? I guess if Valley Fever is your thing… http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/a_possible_explanation_for_the_holdup_in_the_dempster_deal/11281129?new_post=true
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Jimmy – YESSIR! My 2 year old asked to stay up late tonight to watch the game with me.
Love it.
I miss Omar
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Chipper pretty outspoken re pitching. Good for him.
Realist
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
In case this thing falls through…. does anyone have Kawakami’s cell phone number?
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
I don’t like letting go of Delgado. I know he doesn’t look that great now, but give it 2 years. I know we have to give up SOMEONE to get dempster.
Pace
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Sounds like the news of the trade caught Dempster by surprise – and he’s earned the right to veto any trade. If, as Ken Rosenthal says he doesn’t want to extend to come to Atlanta, is he the right fit? Delgado for a two-three month rental?
TDub
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Oh for God’s sake, Around the Horn. Take a valium.
mountain_jim
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Not convinced Hanson can still ‘make it happen’. He’s turning into a junk-baller also.
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Around the Horn – How can a non-trade be a Terrible trade?
Just wondering…
Felix
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Thanks for the update Dave. Looks like a lot of the usual suspects in today’s ‘.com media world’ jumped the gun on this one.
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:40 pm
If you haven’t heard, Omar to Detroit. Wow!
reckingball
July 23rd, 2012
6:40 pm
Is Medlen incapable of starting?
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
6:40 pm
Glad for Omar Infant. Wish he were still a Brave,but at least he gets to be in a pennant race.
Pace
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
So Infante was in the Line-up tonite, batting 7th. Guess we miss him!
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
mountain_jim – I really hope you’re wrong on that. I’d like to see what Tehran can bring…
Braveschipper
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
I rather see tommy hanson be traded than delgado! Hanson is going to be a free agent soon and he is a boras client. And to top it all off he sucks!!! His fastball is the worst in the majors, i said that like 30 times already but its true! I hate watching him pitch! I just hope they trade Tommy hanson instead of delgado ..
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July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
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MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
You know what Dempster? F you. A guy that doesn’t wanna pitch for a contender is a serious red flag. Move on Wren. Would much rather have Liriano or Greinke.
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:42 pm
reckingball – They’ll have to send him down and ’stretch him out”.
Oh wait, we’ve done that and put him back in the pen.
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:42 pm
Jesuschristo- my 18 month old does the “chop chant” when she sees me watching ye braves. I didn’t teach her, she just started doing it. Ohhhhh ohhhh oh oh oh.
reckingball
July 23rd, 2012
6:43 pm
I hope that this deal falls through, and Wren will come to his senses, if in fact, he is planning on giving Delgado away.
jim
July 23rd, 2012
6:43 pm
Not all of these struggles have been at the end of the rotation. Hanson has looked mediocre to terrible on about half of his starts but gets a lot of run support — Delgado has pitched to an equivalent or better ERA an d WHIP but gets no run support. Even Hudson throws in a clunker every 3 or 4 outings.
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
Agreed around the horn. Well said.
Dan Stuggla
July 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
I do not like this trade!!!
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
Not real keen on getting rid of Delgado either. Uggla for a stick of gum and Teheran for Dumpster.
bobby
July 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
@around the horn you are a dumbass. enough said
I TOLD U SO
July 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
Dempster is Jurrjens in a Cubs uniform. His year will turn out like Jurrjens last season.
IlliniBrave
July 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
Dumpster seeming to be acting like a jerk here. The PR mess is leaving Wren with egg on his face. This is what happens when you are desperate.
Glenn
July 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
Either he wants a guaranteed extension before he accepts the trade or there’s more to the story than we’ve been told because he’s supposed to have a really good relationship with Frank Wren and Fredi Gonzalez.
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
I agree with Around the Horn………….giving up a 22 year old with MLB experience is foolish. Dempster is a rental………….not worth what we were looking at spending.
DOC
July 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
What AROUND THE HORN said
ronaldh
July 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Look at the era of the starters. Have we considered trading roger mcdowell? He is supposed to be developing these guys and he is not getting the job done. They need to send him so far away from Atlanta that he couldn’t find his way back with a gps.
Danny Boy
July 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Wren’s on crack. Dempster’s too old, Delgado will be an All Star. Why not deal Uggla….why are we so freakin’ loyal to this guy. He can’t hit a lick.
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
6:49 pm
Jim, I agree. Hanson has pitched like Millwood and dodges the criticism because of run support. McDowell needs to go. Leo, get yo mad ass back on that coaching staff.
DrJones10
July 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm
Around the Horn may be a bit over the top, but he’s right about one thing – giving up Delgado for a 2+ month rental is far too high a price for a solid veteran pitcher currently riding his hottest streak ever.
Unless Demster is a major part in a World Series team, there’s no way this doesn’t come back to bite the Braves.
Personally, I would have preferred they make a play for Liriano. Probably cheaper, prospect wise, younger and under control for at least one more year, albeit through arbitration.
My $.02
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm
reckingball
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Trading away Delgado would be a huge mistake, imo.
For once I agree with you 100%, a future Cy Young winner for a 2 month rental, terriable deal.
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm
AtheistLovesChristmas – LOVE IT! I’m still trying to get him to do the chop…
Why are all you people upset about a NON-TRADE! When/If it does happen, then be mad…but until then…Damn..
jim
July 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm
We fon’t deal Uggla because nobody will take him for even a Todd Redmond level prospect — or that stick of Wrigley’s gum somebody mentioned earlier.
Ray
July 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm
many of you were complaining about Delgado, he needs to be out. You complain about Wren “sitting on his hands” When he tries to pull off a trade without giving away the top 2 pitching prospects you complain about a kid that is not ready for the majors. I can assure you the cubs were led to believe that Dempster would approve the deal to the dodgers and the braves.
henry tn
July 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
dempster is not coming to atlanta and i hope not because delgada is to good a prospect to be traded away….
Flying South
July 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
Once again…drama drama drama. I am still pulling for JJ and I miss the HELL out of Bobby Cox.
Braveschipper
July 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
It has just been confirmed guys, demoster for delgado! FML! I wish they had traded hanson instead of delgado : (
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
I don’t know about “future cy young”, but I believe we will be disappointed on the long run.
phil
July 23rd, 2012
6:54 pm
Huge mistake if this goes through….
The delay is likely so Wren can guage reaction from us knowledgeable bloggers. No way he pulls the trigger now!
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
6:54 pm
Just looking at what is available for starting pitching, I think the Braves should use a combination of Medlen, Delgado, and Minor. Medlen is by far the most polished of the three.
kdawg1017
July 23rd, 2012
6:55 pm
hey DOB, please stop announcing deals that are NOT official yet it seems to upset players and in turn want nothing to do with us. that is all
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
6:55 pm
Nice to have a new fresh blog so we can get away from the other “cranky old farts ” who like to call other people “fools and idiots” even if you just disagree with them. That’s like those people who call you a “bigot”, when actually based on the definition of the word itself, are the real “bigots”.
IlliniBrave
July 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm
Dumpster’s arrogant reluctance will end up saving Wren’s a**!
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm
Delgado is learning how to pitch finally and now you deal him? For Liriano? Yes. For Grienke? Yes. Dumpster is too old. Hudson, Sheets and Dumpster… Yeah that’s built for the long haul.
Brave New World
July 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm
Know what? Let’s take our chances with Delgado and forget Dempster.
cowdogit
July 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
Canstanza is back, Bring Mazzone back and the braves will win the division with out trading our future.
Brave New World
July 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
MD Braves fan July 23rd, 2012 6:56 pm
Delgado is learning how to pitch finally and now you deal him? For Liriano? Yes. For Grienke? Yes. Dumpster is too old. Hudson, Sheets and Dumpster… Yeah that’s built for the long haul.
Agree.
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
Well you know it had to be either Delgado or minor. Minor is left handed. . . . . . .
IlliniBrave
July 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
iTiSi: my experience on these blogs is that it is the “hot-headed young fools” that are more often responsible for name-calling and spewing venom than “cranky old farts”.
Jesus
July 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
SO many people were asking for an upgrade to our rotation. Now that we have a deal in place, people are still not happy. Give and inch and they want a mile. I for one, am not opposed to dealing Delgado. We can win now, we’ll worry about two years from now, two years from now.
FSUBrave
July 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
i hope not…i’d rather have Greinke…
HAL
July 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm
ya wrens terrible if it was j.s hed have made the cubbies take tehran,minor ,betancourt and simmons
jim
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
Maybe a rotation of Sheets, Hudson, Matt Harrison, Scott Diamond and Delgado would look pretty good right now. Wait we gave 2 of those guys away for a rental and a roster spot and seem to be giving the other one away for another rental.
Ray, just who are these top 2 pitching prospects? Viz and Beachy are out for the season and more so don’t count them. Despite what any publication might say, it seems Delgado has moved to the head of our prospect class.
TNScott
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
Trading for Dempster is quickly turning into a blog dumpster fire.
Billy Brave
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
Dempster is 35 and makes $14 mil per year. That’s what it will cost to resign him. Plus we gave up a 22 year old dynamic arm. Theo Epstein is laughing at us.
Pace
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
It sounds like the Braves and Cubs had a deal in place, but nobody had talked w/Dempster about it. Bowman broke the news of the impending trade and everyone picked up up on it and it ran around the internet/media at lightning speed. But….the clubs agreed, not the player – so….whoever leaked this will probably be looking for work soon.
FSUBrave
July 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm
Wren should see if John Burkett and Paul Byrd are interested in making a comeback…lol
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
I guess you’re right. Worry about the future when we get there. Win one for chipper now. Dempster has that nice ERA as of right now in the present.
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
****IB****Maybe so, in the majority, but I think there’s at least one of the aforementioned variety. Just a feeling, don’t know for sure, of course.
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
Not getting Greinke…………..he want to stay with the Brewers and they want to re-sign him.
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
Jesus, some of us are upset because we know this is fools gold. Dumpster for 3 months and too old to resign to a big deal and you lose a good young pitcher. Ask God what he thinks.
bravo bravos
July 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm
NO! Not Delgado! Not for a 35 about to be 36 yr old pitcher for 2 months who does not even want to be here. Greinke wants to play here and Braves can see if he will sign a long term contract before they make the deal. Delgado for Greinke provided Greinke will sign long term makes a lot more sense. Jurrgens and/or another prospect or two (provided they are not named Delgado norTeheran) makes more sense for a short term rental.
Hoosier Aaron
July 23rd, 2012
7:05 pm
I’d like to ask Fredi and McDowell why our most effective starter was throwing to a pitch-back in his backyard two months ago.
Hanson-JJ AWOL
July 23rd, 2012
7:05 pm
Gotta agree on Dempster. Delgado is too high a price to pay for a 2 month rental. At 14 mil a year and 35 plus years old, Dempster is too expensive to extend or resign.
chris
July 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
Chipper outspoken on pitching but isn’t it funny that when Mike Minor is pitching his tail off and has a shut out (Giants game) you don’t hear Chipper calling out his offense for not giving him any run support. Ben Sheets the same thing…..He had to pitch perfect to win.
This offense hasn’t always been something to brag about………..
Jesus
July 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
So MD, you think Delgado can help us win a playoff spot this year more then Dempster? And as far as Delgado being good, I think we can say right now that he is average at best.
1991 braves
July 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
Wren always end up with egg on his face. The guy is an idiot, and he has built the 14th worst pitching staff out of 16 teams in the N.L. He and fat fredi hand picked this pitiful starting rotation. But the scholar Fat Fredi thinks the braves will be known for their pitching at the end of the season. LOL!!
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm
That’s funny, ****TNScott****, I had already started calling him “Dumpsey Dempster”(which he has heard before I’m sure).
Darryl Blackberry
July 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
This is not a bad trade for either club, if it goes through. Delgado has a lot of potential, but do you honestly think Roger McDowell and co. will ever be able to help him realize it?
DaveinNEPA
July 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
Truthfully, i would hope this falls through.
I sure as hell wouldn’t want to give away a young talent like Delgado for a (less than) 1/2 season rental and i certainly wouldn’t want to give an extension to a 35 year old pitcher with a somewhat dubious resume’.
To me this smacks more of Wren and Gonzalez trying to save their jobs by appearing to do what’s necessary to get this team into this year’s postseason without looking ahead to the future.
Another SP isn’t enough to guarantee that this team makes the postseason let alone go deep into the postseason. This team has waaaayyyyy too many holes in other areas that need to be addressed just as much as the starting pitching.
kelevra
July 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm
the thing that worries me about dempster is that he absolutley cannot pitch any better for the braves as he did for the cubs, and it is much more likely he will come back to his career numbers(which are decent, but not league leading era good) which means we are trading for what he’s done vs what he will do
Tim
July 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm
How about trading Jurrjens for a bucket of batting practice balls. We’d come out better off. Send Hanson to anyone for a new cup for the catchers, and Uggla for some gum in the dugout. Braves would be winners in all trades.
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm
I see we have that worthless piece of dung on 2nd base again tonight, a decent bat in the 7 hole might help us break the monday jinx.
Ramo
July 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm
Big mistake trading the kid for a “long n tha tooth” rental!!
Ramo
July 23rd, 2012
7:15 pm
Can someone please name a 22 year old starting pitcher that set the league on fire!! I can’t recall a single one!! This kid has the tools 2 be really good and soon than later!!!! Don’t do it Wren!!!!!!!
Nate in SLC
July 23rd, 2012
7:16 pm
DO NOT MAKE THIS TRADE!!!!!!!!! Stop with the deadline deals. Just stop.
JP
July 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
CBS Sports now reporting trade may fall through. I can only hope!
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
How old was lince-a-cum back when he was good? Or Stephan Strasburg. Not saying they “set the league on fire”, but their pretty good at a young age.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
If Wren makes this trade, I hope he is fired the next day. But we already knew he was an idiot, Mcguirk will know after that Orr maybe he is an idiot too. I do not know him at all.
Marcus Hurst
July 23rd, 2012
7:19 pm
@ I TOLD U SO “Dempster is Jurrjens in a Cubs uniform. His year will turn out like Jurrjens last season” Are you kidding me? Jurrjens ERA 7.04, Dempsters ERA 2.11 , I’d say Dempster is nothing like Jurrjens.
bamakirk
July 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
It is amazing how fast we go from “We must do something” to “This deal is awful”. It happens everytime. I guess we could stand pat while all of the other contenders get better and sit at home for sure come playoff time. I am not talking about this trade in particular, but everyone that has been made or rumored for the last 3 years. The same people hate every proposal and have a better idea that includes giving up a player no one wants for a player everyone wants. If only it was that simple.
1eyedJack
July 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
We’re desperately looking for a starter, meanwhile he’s sitting down in the bullpen.
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm
Carrie Muskat / MLB.com reports — Ryan Dempster will most likely be dealt before the July 31 non-waiver Trade Deadline — just not likely on Monday to the Braves in exchange for young right-hander Randall Delgado, who was reportedly in line to be included in the deal.
Let us all pray this is true!
T-Dawg
July 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm
Kinda early to fall apart, even for Minor
Nativebird
July 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
Ok I give up on expecting a sports reporter to AcTuALLy report the facts about stories….so I’ll ask: Dempster right handed or left handed?
Please AJC, do your job, not every reader has every fact about every player and would expect a modicum of important basic information as that in a basic story about an important trade. Not too much to ask for.
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
can we trade minor?
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
7:23 pm
We would like a deal, but use some common sense about it. GEEZ
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Jesus, this trade smells like Doyle Alexander in the 80s. The braves aren’t good enough for this one pitcher to put them over the top. This team is so wildly inconsistent, giving away a good young arm for an old arm isn’t the answer. Greinke is an upgrade. Liriano is an upgrade. This team isn’t good enough to rent a player at the cost of a good young arm. Hanson sucks, Hudson is doin his beat impression of Jekyl and hyde, Minor is young, Sheets could be good again but who knows and JJ should be traded for a case of sunflower seeds. Dempster added to the mix doesn’t give me visions of the 95 Braves.
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm
I am not dead set against trading Delgado, but I would want to trade for someone that wants to play for the Braves this year and in the future.
mpimentel
July 23rd, 2012
7:25 pm
Nobody trade a young arm for a two month rental pitcher with 35 years old….is a mistake….delghdo can impruve while dempster will be a FA so soon!!! Bad move ….
Pace
July 23rd, 2012
7:25 pm
First hard hit ball gets a double play for Minor. Ok – get this guy and we’re fine.
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm
I don’t mind trading for Dempster………..just don’t give up a guy like Delgado. Dempster is a rental. He’ll re-sign with the cubs or a west coast team in the off season.
Teddy B
July 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm
Well, well, well…. Minor having some ‘minor’ problems in the first inning again. Wish they’d find someone to replace this clown. He’s the definition of Inconsistency. Not a fan of Delgado either really, maybe in time they would be better but not yet. Far from elite, they are.
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm
Enter your comments here
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm
Nativebird
You obviously have a computer, everything you want to know about anybody in MLB is readily available on the WEBB
ha
July 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm
first
Pace
July 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Teddy B – are you watching the game? Minor pitched very well – two of the three hits were on pitches that weren’t strikes, and the only hard hit balls were the double play and the 3rd out. Minor is fine.
BravesfaninWis
July 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Not saying that Dempster is the answer, but those of you saying that its a bad trade because Delgado is involved are smoking some good crap and should pass it on instead of hogging it all. I would prefer Greinke because he is younger if nothing else. Trading Delgado doesn’t faze me in the least, I don’t think that kid will ever amount to much. Just my opinion people.
On a side note, looks like Minor is up to his usual stuff. This is why the Braves need to make a trade, because their starting pitching absolutely sucks. If they don’t start taking out the trash, they will fall out of contention very quickly.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
re we watching the same game? Minor gave up one hard hit ball and it was a double play.
ha
July 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm
dang it
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm
can we include minor in that trade for maybe a bat boy.
ha
July 23rd, 2012
7:32 pm
<font size="8" dang!
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm
Wow we smokin ain’t we
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm
Source: Dempster to Braves; he says ‘no trade’
DaveinNEPA
July 23rd, 2012
7:36 pm
IMO both Delgado and Minor would benefit from better tutoring. It seems to me that Braves SPs tend to regress rather than progress, and that can be laid at the feet of one Roger McDowell.
Delgado and Minor have the stuff to be very good but they need someone who can bring it out and quite frankly, I don’t think McDowell has it in him to do that.
John
July 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm
Braves fans I talk to say dont make this deal . If this guy doesnt want to be in Atlanta good . Keep Carlos and build a team with the guys you have
palm frond
July 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm
Dempster is the answer for this year.
bustersonly
July 23rd, 2012
7:39 pm
Why don’t we just forfeit all the Monday games and give our players an extra days rest
AdirondackDave
July 23rd, 2012
7:39 pm
If the deal doesn’t go through, I agree, the big loser is Theo Epstein. I like Dempster but am not comfortable trading Delgado at this point, unless the contract extension for Dempster is included and I doubt it is. Surely there is a veteran starter out there who, along with Sheets, upgrades our starters significantly without giving up Teheran, Delgado, or Viscaino.
TN Jeff
July 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
Yep – its Mental Midget Monday & these Braves have a will to lose. This team sure knows how to frustrate its fan base!
Smarty
July 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
This is a STUPID trade!! I would rather lose this year than give ANY top prospects for a rental player that is really winning with mirrors. Please no!!!!!!!!
smallmouth6
July 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
Even a moments hesitation on his part, don’t sign him.
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
Gnats followed the Braves down to Florida, and just put on some Marlins uniforms. Marlins players are in Gnats uniforms playing the Mets. What a nasty trick!
T-Dawg
July 23rd, 2012
7:41 pm
really….really?
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm
Minor can’t get ahead of the Marlins B team. Ho hum just another Monday ,Braves are already beat before the 3rd inning.
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm
Can we just please win on Monday just one Monday. Please. Is that so hard to do?
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm
Something I told my friend this afternoon is coming back to haunt me. I said, “Braves shouldn’t have any problems with the Marlins tonight, Stanton is out, so no sweat”. How stupid could I be?
Billy Brave
July 23rd, 2012
7:44 pm
Let’s be honest, There is no way that this team is going to win the World Series this year. Why can’t we sell off Hudson, Uggla, and Bourn for some prospects and use the cash on some top Free Agents next year?
LaMarr
July 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm
Dempster’s Twitter is blowing up but he still insists this trade isn’t happening. He’s a 10/5 guy so he’s the boss.
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm
This ballpark looks like it should be sitting right smack down in the middle of Havana, Cuba. Ugly and gaudy!
LaMarr
July 23rd, 2012
7:46 pm
What are you going to get for Uggla?
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
7:47 pm
We have been hoarding prospects for years. As a result, we have not been to the playoffs,outside of 2005, for years.
Make the trade!!!!!
TN Jeff
July 23rd, 2012
7:48 pm
Why is Uggla in the game? Why is he batting 7th? I hear he went 1 for 5 with 3 strike outs earlier today in batting practice.
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
7:49 pm
You people are poisoned by Cox to expect prospects of the future to be the answer. Tehran, Delgado, and others are not cutting it. Make the Trade!!
T-Dawg
July 23rd, 2012
7:50 pm
Sucks having three automatic outs in the lineup every game. Good job Wren, Janish has been amazing!
Rupert
July 23rd, 2012
7:51 pm
jojo reyes.
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
7:51 pm
The goal is the World Series you backward thinking individuals!!!
Make the Trade!
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
7:52 pm
where is offense coming from Dr.Braves
Brian
July 23rd, 2012
7:53 pm
Awful, awful trade. I hope Dempster nixes it. Give away a future #1 starter (potentially) who could pitch for you for the next 10 years for a guy, who granted is a great pitcher, that is in his mid-30’s in a contract year. Best case scenario is we make the trade and Dempster signs a long term deal. Worst case is we trade away the future for 15 or so starts by Dempster. Last time we signed a 30+ year old pitcher to a mammoth deal didn’t work out so well for us.
I hope this doesn’t happen.
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
7:55 pm
well yes joe maybe we will just hold them to one run per inning.
Charlie
July 23rd, 2012
7:55 pm
AGH…Gopher Ball Mike + Gopher Ball Tommy + Gopher Ball JJ, and so it goes.
Now that Omar has lef the Marlins, the Braves should give back Dan Uggla. (PLEASE GIVE WORTHLESS DAN BACK…anything to get him out of Atlanta).
Chip Caray started the broadcast with, “The hot Atlanta Braves…”. Apparently Chip has forgotten Saturday and Sunday in Washington…brain dead, as usual.
The Braves line-up has mailed in 3 innings of AB’s so far tonight…just like the last 15 innings in Washington. Pretty patheic.
Gonna be a long night. The joke continues…
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
7:56 pm
jharber,
We are #2 in the East. That’s from offense. To answer you more specifically, when Simmons comes back, it will improve. Our offense is not the problem, our 3rd from the bottom starting pitching is the problem.
TN Jeff
July 23rd, 2012
7:57 pm
IF the Braves get Dempster (who apparently after playing for Gonzalez & Wren is NOT eager to return to that brain trust) for Delgado, you still have loses every rotation from Hanson, Minor, and Jurgens in addition to the fact that the bullpen will remain blown up by having to pitch 3-4 innings every time these wusses pitch.
Charlie
July 23rd, 2012
7:58 pm
At 35, Dempster is no answer. I, too, hope that the trade does not go through
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
7:58 pm
LaMarr-
Maybe a happy meal and extra fry.
William
July 23rd, 2012
7:58 pm
Thank you, bamakirk. You are a voice of reason.
Hawaiibravefan
July 23rd, 2012
7:58 pm
Why is Wren so high on this guy? This is the exact opposite thing we need, a 35 year old pitcher for a 22 year old pitcher? What happened to keeping the young arms together? Delgado has the potential to be better then Dempster ever has been. Look at the career numbers, Wren is gonna give up a sold 22 yr old prospect for a pitcher who has an era of 4.30, and then you want to extend the guy? Is this Derek Lowe 2.0? Come on Wren, pull back this trade while you can.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
7:59 pm
Lineup just too streaky to win division. Needs upgrade badly but Wren cannot see it.
T-Dawg
July 23rd, 2012
8:02 pm
We should try to get Nolan Ryan, Clemente and Mantle. Are they available? Maybe we could give them Janish and Delgado. That sounds like a good trade to me.
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
8:02 pm
Boy we swang at everything that comes our way NO CLUE.
BraveFan
July 23rd, 2012
8:04 pm
I am calling it right now this will be a perfect game from the Marlins
LTK
July 23rd, 2012
8:05 pm
JH back in his ground outs to second funk.
SOS Braves
July 23rd, 2012
8:08 pm
Well well. Loser Monday. Gonna be a perfect game for Marlins. Probably 15 to 0. Great pitchers on this team. Hansen, Jurrgens, and Minor could not make it with any other team. Oh I forgot about Martinez, Varraro or whatever his name is, and Gas Can Durban.
An Ace
July 23rd, 2012
8:08 pm
If we get Dempster, we’re a better team NOW. With Chipper not shy about pointing to the inconsistent pitching (why should he be?) and fans eager for a push in his final season, I can see Wren’s thinking.
Does it make the most sense? I’m not really sure… if we get him to sign an extension in the deal, I like it. Delgado has shown some promise this season and I hate to see him on the block, but with so many teams after a good arm right now I wouldn’t expect Minor to be a strong enough trade option.
If it does end up happening, I hope we can get him for ~2 years. Anything more is risky given his age.
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
8:08 pm
I think the club should just call in sick on monday because they make the fans sick.
MOBravesFan
July 23rd, 2012
8:09 pm
Hoping Wren doesn’t do a long-term extension. Last thing ATL needs is an overpriced, aging starter that they’ll end up giving/trading to Cleveland after realizing they made a huge mistake. This could get ugly. Would rather have seen Greinke…
SOS Braves
July 23rd, 2012
8:09 pm
Everything Minor does is awful.
Braves Fan
July 23rd, 2012
8:12 pm
I don’t like the deal anyway. Hes not a pitcher who can pitch solid in the post season and he will not resign with us next season. I would rather put our proven starter Medlen in the rotation., Why hes still in the pen is beyond me. He is proven and there he sits for 2 innings here and there while they let Minor and Delgado blow up over and over. We added Sheets, now put Medlen where he belongs. Medlen would give us a chance to win where the other two implode over and over.
MOBravesFan
July 23rd, 2012
8:13 pm
Will say, though, that ATL does have a lot of young talent that teams drool over. Nice bargaining chips to get guys who are having great seasons. Braves are trying to contend and can’t won’t get anywhere relying on these young arms this season. Needed more solid arms. Braves are stronger now than yesterday (if the trade is approved) and I doublt anyone will be complaining if ATL wins the pennant.
SOS Braves
July 23rd, 2012
8:13 pm
Braves Fan. Logic is not a consideration for Wren or Fredi.
Kyle
July 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
Dumpster’s not a game changer…yawn at this trade.
SOS Braves
July 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
If we get Dempster can we dump JJ, HansonHomer, and Minor.
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
You could have a no hitter going for our pitcher tonight and we would not have a run.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
8:16 pm
they should listen to us.
SOS Braves
July 23rd, 2012
8:16 pm
McCann was pouring on the coals there.
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
8:16 pm
well go on to the dugout BigMac.
Hammond
July 23rd, 2012
8:17 pm
To all the armchair experts we need to win bottom line we still have good arms on the farm ready to make a move in a year or so
Delgado is not the answer I am starting to think Hanson may not be the answer also I may be wrong but his last two starts were home run derby
His fastball is flat and is good at throwing a great hanging curve back back back its out of here
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
8:20 pm
In reality there aare some fans on this blog that knows a little baseball. In my opinion.
TN Jeff
July 23rd, 2012
8:21 pm
Well at least the no hitter is avoided. Next goal, – avoid a shutout. Baby steps Monday
CoachCarter
July 23rd, 2012
8:23 pm
I agree with everyone who says Medlen should be given a rotation spot back. I disagree that Delgado is some sort of untouchable…Teheran is a way more complete pitcher, just having some trouble getting it together right now. I don’t like to watch a rookie pitcher shrugging off called pitches from two of the best catchers in the National League. And I didn’t like watching Ross begging him all night to keep the ball down. A big league pitcher shouldn’t have to be told to keep his off-speed stuff down. With Vizcaino and Beachy coming back healthy next year, and Teheran, Delgado, Minor, and Gilmartin all coming along, we can spare an arm with potential to get a guy that can pitch right now and push us over the top for a chance to compete for a World Series now, while we still have the heart and soul of the club for one more run in Chipper Jones. Next year, we are going to need a leader, and as much as I like McCann, Heyward, and Freeman…right now I don’t see one!
UPGRAYEDD
July 23rd, 2012
8:26 pm
Braves fans want instant gratification with their Young Guns. Makes me sick. If these fans had had their way, Glavine and Smoltz would have been dealt the year after they arrived. Patience, Grasshopper.
George T
July 23rd, 2012
8:27 pm
This team needs a LOT more than one pitcher to make the playoffs and especially to go beyond round 1. Not a god move. Dance with what brung you and restart for next year with new management and attitude.
CoachCarter
July 23rd, 2012
8:29 pm
As long as Liberty Media owns this team, you are stuck with this management team. I promise you that!
semiballcoach
July 23rd, 2012
8:29 pm
up
trying to make p[layoffs …no time for patience…need results now
SOS Braves
July 23rd, 2012
8:30 pm
Dempster or Greinke or whomever does not matter if you cant hit it out of your shadow like tonight.
SOS Braves
July 23rd, 2012
8:30 pm
Bourn strikes out WAY too much.
Arnold
July 23rd, 2012
8:32 pm
Lets see the difference between an organization thats wants to win championships and an organization that only wants to make money:
Yankees-large payroll, wont tolerate mediocrity, always trying to improve roster, fans demand success, pull off a trade of Ichiro, quietly, with no problems.Braves-shrinking mid to (soon) lower lever payroll, happy with mediocrity (shot at the playoffs, woohoo!), keep same roster after last years record choke, fans whine but demand little so get what they deserve, team cant pull off a trade or a signing even when agreed to (Dempster, remember Furcal three years ago?)….Hahahahahahahhhaha..Thank Liberty Media my friends, and remember, this will only get worse as the 25 year media contact turner/aol saddled the organization with as a parting present to their subsidieries goes forward……..Braves will not be a championship club again in our lifetime, sorry.
LivinInAL
July 23rd, 2012
8:35 pm
I fail to see the big value of Medlen as a reliever, as opposed to a starter, had he been starting at the bottom of the order all year, we would have a 3-4 more wins.
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
8:36 pm
Only problem with Minor and Delgado is they are pitching for the wrong team, Minor is not pitching bad tonight, in fact if he were pitching for a real baseball team he would probably be leading right now by a score of 9-2 and would breeze to a complete game.
CoachCarter
July 23rd, 2012
8:38 pm
The big-money TV deals that every other club either already has, or will have, is definitely going to make it difficult to compete for free agents, or to re-sign our best players to long term deals. Another good reason to go all in now. Get a couple pitchers, and the big right handed bat we’ve been needing for so long!
TBbravesfan
July 23rd, 2012
8:38 pm
Ralph-
I believe you hit the nail on the head buddy.
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm
Arnold
True and they didn’t give up anything to get him, a couple of not so good minor league pitchers. We want to give up Delgado for a two month rental, i’m really pissed.
TN Jeff
July 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm
OK folks, perhaps someone has already broken this down but in case not – here it goes. The Braves record on Mondays is 0 & 11. The most runs they have scored in any one game on Mondays is 3 (which they have done 2 times). They have scored a grand total of 17 runs on Mondays which averages out to 1.5 runs a game. Their opponents have scored 63 runs. Why in the world would anyone go to the next Monday home game?
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
8:47 pm
If Dunn cold walk 12 guys in a rowwe might stand a chance.
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
8:48 pm
What a joke these announcers are!
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
8:52 pm
thoght for sure Heywad had tied the game up the way Chip was calling it, the ball didn’t even get to the warning trac.
least of the east
July 23rd, 2012
8:55 pm
the predictable panic move before the deadline. never learn..
thanks to JJ and his brilliant start Sun. I knew that would do it.
why can’t Delgado be the 5th starter and JJ go back down ?
when you get into a bidding war, the price isn’t cheap. LA didn’t want to give up what Cubs asked for.
but the Braves are short on pitching even though they draft them early about 80% of the time.
when you make draft mistakes like they did in 2006 and 2008 at the top of the draft, it comes back to haunt you.
Grandma Giffin
July 23rd, 2012
8:55 pm
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
8:52 pm
thoght for sure Heywad had tied the game up the way Chip was calling it, the ball didn’t even get to the warning trac
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I thought for sure it was gone based on his reaction alone.
T-Dawg
July 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
So sad….so very sad.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
Did not inherit broadcasting genes huh.
Dawg '88
July 23rd, 2012
9:00 pm
whether or not the trade happens…what do the Braves do about their anemic offense.
Braves have now gone against 2 pitchers in the past four games that were 2-2 with 10.00 and 7.30 ERAs in their last 5 starts or so (Edwin Jackson and Josh Johnson) with terrible results. In fact dominated by both. If this happen just a few times that would be an anomoly. But when it happens consistently…the offense sucks.
T-Dawg
July 23rd, 2012
9:01 pm
Report: Josh Johnson left game due to hand injury.
ahhhhh now I understand how we were able to get a hit off of him. He looked kinda weak there against us.
Marty
July 23rd, 2012
9:01 pm
Lots of geniuses on this blog. To the morons praising the Yankees for picking up Ichiro, have you looked at his stats? He’s hitting like Janish.
Need a Winner
July 23rd, 2012
9:03 pm
Minor’s pitched good the last 3 games. Tonight he looks good, but nobody and i mean NOBODY is challenging the Marlin’s pitchers. Don’t matter how good you pitch, ya gotta have OFFENCE, and right now they are pretty OFFENSIVE.
DaveinNEPA
July 23rd, 2012
9:03 pm
I don’t see how anyone an complain about the way Minor has pitched tonight. The guy only gave up 2 runs and gave us 7 innings. If there are any complaints it should be about the steaming pile of crap our offense has been the last couple of games.
man and dog
July 23rd, 2012
9:03 pm
NO RUN SUPPORT AT ALL!!!!!!! COME ON FREDDIE, DO YOUR F@#*& JOB AND GET SOME FIRE IN THESE GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
9:06 pm
Since the Mariners traded their right fielder ,do you think they would trade King Felix for the Braves right fielder.
Dawg '88
July 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm
Funny if the Braves don’t make a trade everyone will crucify them. Make a trade and its not worth it. The logic here is sorely lacking. All the arguments for Delgado are amazing.
He is performing in the ML the same way that he did in the minors. Walks…walks and more walks. Wild pitches by the buckets. He is what…. 4-9 this season? Dempster sure would do better than that. The guy is the ERA leader for crying out loud.
People keep saying hold on to young guys like Delgado. For when? When McCann is gone in free agency and Chipper retires. The team will then be a shell of itself with no chance of winning. The best chance is now!
BravesWin
July 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm
Fredi could stand next to a nuclear reactor and it would go cold.
man and dog
July 23rd, 2012
9:10 pm
Puff, the magic Uggla
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
9:13 pm
The Braves could go out and trade for the #1 pitcher in all of baseball and it wouldn’t do any good the way they are playing right now. You can’t win a game 0-0. The Marlins are missing two of their best players, and are short-handed. This bunch acts like they don’t have a thing to play for. It’s Monday, Mr. Fredi “Jesus” Gonzalez, I think I would start finding out what these guys are doing on Sunday nights!
Charlie
July 23rd, 2012
9:14 pm
HEY! HEY! HEY! Another WORTHLESS game, for WORTHLESS DAN UGGLA. Anyone surprised????
Keep runnin’ him out there Fredi! The hope of Braves Nation is that you’ll both be run out of Atanta soon.
Fredi and Dan…the two biggest jokes to come out of Florida.
Three games in a row now, mailed in by the Atlanta offense. Pretty pathetic.
Tomorrow’s quotes will include a Cap-tipper from Fredi.
bronkelliott
July 23rd, 2012
9:17 pm
2 things come to mind 1. Please fire Freddi before he owns more dubious records for the Braves (Greatest September collapse and No wins on Mondays) 2. Uggla just plain out sucks! Need I say more.?
uggla
bp
July 23rd, 2012
9:17 pm
0For Mondays the beat goes on
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm
I think Uggla is trying to break Mark Reynolds K record.Never adjusts his swing to how the opposing pitcher is pitching to him. Tries to pull everything,has got into the habit of taking pitches on the outer third of the plate ,because he knows he can’t reach them.Pulls of the ball every time and never cuts down on his swing with 2 strikes.Aren’t the Braves paying 2 batting coaches ,I guess they can’t challenge an overpaid under performing strike out king.Keep waiting for his so-called 2nd half run ,well we are still waiting.
Yogi Berra
July 23rd, 2012
9:19 pm
Marty..not true about Ichiro and Janich…you can’t compare 2 weeks in majors with year in ML.
Braves need to deal for some rh hitters..Bloomquist, Cuddyer, Cain , Upton someone to help. I really like Liriano a southpaw and could be resigned. I’m not against Demp if they can get him to sign for next year.
Get some damn runs , please!
man and dog
July 23rd, 2012
9:19 pm
1 freekin hit and 12 strikekouts. Yeah, we need pitching help.
Yogi Berra
July 23rd, 2012
9:21 pm
Never on Monday..Monday Blues.. whatever the crap. Got to get the monkey of our back.
Spider29
July 23rd, 2012
9:22 pm
Good job by Minor tonight. Maybe the Braves do need to forget about trading for a starting pitcher and go get some offense. Hard to believe they only have one hit.
bronkelliott
July 23rd, 2012
9:22 pm
the only way to watch this game is by drinking! Wait I’ve done that. My sight is all blurry and I still see only one hit after 8 innings. I don’t think I drank enough yet. By the Way Is Freddie still the manager of the Braves?
man and dog
July 23rd, 2012
9:24 pm
Monday Monday, can’t trust that day,
Monday Monday, always turns out that way
bp
July 23rd, 2012
9:24 pm
gonna go fly r/c heli
TONIGHT is the problem
July 23rd, 2012
9:25 pm
Twelve strikeouts and counting against the Marlins, on a night when our back end pitcher has given up
two through 7.5 innings. Braves are WAY too inconsistent. Should blow the M’s out coming off of a loss like yesterday. Forget the playoffs.
TONIGHT is the problem
July 23rd, 2012
9:26 pm
Spider, I believe you are right. Way too many holes in the lineup. On paper, looks good. At the plate, not so much.
bronkelliott
July 23rd, 2012
9:27 pm
Help The Braves have fallen and they can’t get up!
Yogi Berra
July 23rd, 2012
9:28 pm
Now are never!
We have a brainless manager
July 23rd, 2012
9:29 pm
only 3 outs away for another lose for a bad management by Fredi “motha foker” Gonzalez
let me explain that:
McCaan walks, no out
Uggla is up… why dont pinch run Constanza for BMac and try to steal the 2nd base???
Uggla k´s
next up Janish : Fredi burn Constanza and PH with Pastornicky only for K,,why dont use Ross anyway he´s gonna be a replace for BMac..
next up Pitcher: PH Ross and he K…instead used Hinske
BAD BAD MANAGEMENT
milesarcher33
July 23rd, 2012
9:29 pm
We don’t need Dempster. Let’s hope he vetoes the trade. Let’s go with Delgado. Even with Dempster. we won’t get by the first round of the playoffs, even if we get there. Logically, don’t trade our future. But we should trade Bourn for young talent. The chances of us resigning Bourn are slim to none. Scott Boras has already announced that Bourn will test the free agent market after the season ends.
Yogi Berra
July 23rd, 2012
9:30 pm
Wren should know you don’t win on paper you win on the field.
bp
July 23rd, 2012
9:41 pm
chipper wants to win
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
9:42 pm
Fredi gets ejected. That should satisfy the idiot Cox drones on this blog!!
bronkelliott
July 23rd, 2012
9:44 pm
Freddie should be thrown out for life
man and dog
July 23rd, 2012
9:47 pm
Maybe if the umpire wasn’t standing in right field he would have made the right call
Dave
July 23rd, 2012
9:48 pm
The point you people are missing is that we are doing this to win now. I’m not a huge fan of letting Delgado go for a 2 month rental player but look at next year when Chipper is no longer here and Bourn leaves in free agency, possibly McCann the next. If you want a shot at the World Series this year, you need to trade something now. If not, I don’t see the Braves having a better shot in the next three or four years. If you don’t do something, maybe we make the 4th wild card and then lose in the play-in game or next round at best.
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
9:49 pm
If you think Laz sucks in the field ,get a load of him behind the plate tomorrow night.I guess Fredi found out that Laz is not deaf and blind.
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
9:50 pm
Braves fans are the worst fans in Major League Baseball.
nubdan
July 23rd, 2012
9:51 pm
Keep Delgado and start Medlin… Don’t trade for Dempster…
lee maye
July 23rd, 2012
9:52 pm
We are not going to win on Mondays even if we had Warren Spahn in his prime. And, the wildcard playin game may be on a Monday. Wren is giving too much in Delgado for a guy who can’t throw 90 and is going to be here for only a 2 month rental. And, they say another player too. Way too much. Hope Dempster doesn’t want to come. He is having a career year and still is not better than Delgado.
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
9:52 pm
Fredi has done the best he can. You blame him for the losses, and you ignore him during the wins. You are the problem!!
ugaaccountant
July 23rd, 2012
9:53 pm
No, dumb trades are the problem.
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
9:54 pm
lee maye,
Dempster leads the league in ERA. I am so so thankful you don’t run this team idiot.
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
9:55 pm
Joe simpson intimated that Laz is short for LAZY.
Wolf
July 23rd, 2012
9:55 pm
I would not trade a good player to GET Dempster, but I WOULD give a good young player to any team that would also agree to TAKE Dan Uggla and his contract. Uggla is a rock around the neck of the Braves, a total and complete rally killer, and Atlanta is stuck with him for THREE more years.
No Flag Since Lemke
July 23rd, 2012
9:55 pm
Probably wouldn’t have made any difference but notice how often we get hosed by an ump’s call(s) in Miami? Diaz is consistently rated among the bottom five umpires in the majors.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
9:56 pm
Uggla for Soriano anyone
Bob in Florida
July 23rd, 2012
9:56 pm
No need to trade for Dempster. We can’t win with Uggla
Dr.Braves
July 23rd, 2012
9:56 pm
I wonder if Fredi Gonzales’ name was Freddy Johnson, Davis, or Smith would he receive so much backwards hatred from his own fans?
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
9:58 pm
Absolutly
Felix
July 23rd, 2012
9:58 pm
Minor pitched a great game, but once again the Braves offense is pathetic. Just pathetic. Anybody else find it tedious to watch this Braves team? One game the pitching sucks, next game it’s the hitting. Lately, both pitching and hitting have sucked in too many games. And of course you can count on old Dan Uggla to suck every night. Even the addition of a quality starter is not going to fix this team. Too many issues.
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
10:00 pm
I think Uggla will be another one of Frank’s mistakes that the Braves will have to pay another team to take off their hands,how long was the contract extension they gave him 4 or 5 years.Just like this year the highest paid pitcher on the Braves pitches in Cleveland.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
10:00 pm
We need offense worst than another pitcher
nubdan
July 23rd, 2012
10:02 pm
Runners on 1st and 2nd, no outs, the Braves haven’t hit all night… Why not have Heyward bunt the guys over for Chipper, Freeman and McCann? Anybody home HOME Freddi?
wallypip
July 23rd, 2012
10:02 pm
This reminds me of the clusterf#@& that occurred when the Braves sort of announced they’d signed Furcal. I say let’s trade Fredi for Davy Johnson or Kirk Gibson or ANY manager with an edge.
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
10:04 pm
Doc Braves
I thinks Fredi’s suffers from following Saint Bobby Cox ,and the fact that his team is not that good.
nc fan
July 23rd, 2012
10:04 pm
Enter your comments here
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
10:09 pm
To make it worse the Nats just took the lead on the Mets in the top of the 10th.Zimmerman just cleaned the bags with a3 run double.Nats 6 Mutts 2. Braves are now 4 and a half out. Correction Morse adds a 2 run homer Nats 8 Mutts 2.
Busch Leaguer
July 23rd, 2012
10:12 pm
I think Pendleton would be the manager in waiting for the Braves.Another Cox disciple but with more of an edge. Think he would kick some ass if needed.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
10:16 pm
I will vote for that
Charlie
July 23rd, 2012
10:19 pm
Third game running, wher the offense just mailed it i. Lots and lots of “give away” at bats. Another well earned loss. Minor deserved better.
ab initio
July 23rd, 2012
10:32 pm
Wren(ch) and Eyechart will trade the farm for this grizzled veteran because they are stupid like that.
reason
July 23rd, 2012
10:34 pm
The Braves need more than a pitcher.
They need a second Base that will not strike out twice a game, a SS that can hit, a wonder capsule that will keep them awake during the game.
The Braves should be called “The Sliders” for every game they win, they slide back two.
Ben the Men
July 23rd, 2012
10:36 pm
The Braves really want Dempster for his bat.
serbok
July 23rd, 2012
10:42 pm
What To Say!!!!?
I guess~ I agree with the “Dont get Dempster” crowd. 35 yrs old~ 2 mos rental~ from what I have been able to garner? Yeah!! Thtas what we need~ pLAYER WITH pHIL gARNERS ATTITUDE! LOL
Ive never heard in my entire life~ a Trade hanging on a Contract Extension! Negotiating a contract? And a Trade at the same time? With a Player~ who obviously Is looking at his last Huge payday b4 retiring? WOW! I’ve also Noticed~ that DOB doesnt participate anymore on his own Blog? Course~ I cant really blame him! As idiots abound on his blog! The Blog needs to be “Cleaned up!” A good start would be to stop the idiots on here from changing their “Screen Names!” I take accountability for what I say!! Ive NEVER posted under a different name!
"...and on this Winning Night..." Thx Ernie Johnson!
July 23rd, 2012
10:43 pm
Is Rick Mahler or Doyle Alexander available? Maybe Steve Bedrosian…
benchwarmer
July 23rd, 2012
10:46 pm
If this is the trade for dempster, giving up delgado, well i just lost my respect for FW. very bad deal.
Quicherbichin
July 23rd, 2012
11:01 pm
Some of you people wouldn’t be satisfied if FW made trades enough to transform the Braves into the NL All Star Team. Sheesh… you whine because we don’t make a trade.. then whine when we do… and for those who would ” rather have Greinke”… I’d rather Chipper was 25 again… but not going to happen either!!!!!
arnold
July 23rd, 2012
11:02 pm
People on this blog certainly like to throw around nasty names, apparently…anyway, to “Marty”, who said those who thought Ichiro was a bad pickup by the Yanks for two second or third tier minor leaguers, and stated “look at his stats”. consider that the Yankees got him for a song to replace Gardner and Swisher as necessary. Having an off year at 38 years old, he still has 105 hits, 15 doubles, 5 triples, and has scored 49 runs for a weak seattle team, striking out only 1 in every 10 ab.. He might well heat up in hitter friendly yankee stadium. Not bad for 2 no name prospects, eh? So rather than calling bloggers “morons”, think about things a bit, eh, Marty you dumba**……as per the braves, why is Tyler P out there? He looks overmatched on the field and at the plate. I feel badly for him, he is not at this point a big leaguer.
lee maye
July 23rd, 2012
11:22 pm
Dr. : He may very well lead the league in ERA. Having a career year. His last start, he came back to earth with a loss to the Cards and his ERA went up. I look at career. Losing record and still doesn’t hit 90. Doesn’t bode well. Delgado, on the other hand, throws 93 and is improving. 2 ER in his last start in 6 innings. Could have been and should have been 1 ER as Uggla botched a DP if you recall.
Wren and Braves are going to regret trading Delgado for a 2 month rental. Dempster is 35 years old. Do you want to give him a 4 or 5 year contract? He has been on the DL this year. As for next year, Wren has an excellent chance to build a big winner if he doesn’t trade away all the young guys. He is going to have 45 mil to sign a pitcher, CF, and LF. Should be able to get 3 pretty good players for that. If he can unload Uggla, he will have 58 mil to play with. A big if. No one wants Uggla.
lee maye
July 23rd, 2012
11:26 pm
nubdan
July 23rd, 2012
10:02 pm
Runners on 1st and 2nd, no outs, the Braves haven’t hit all night… Why not have Heyward bunt the guys over for Chipper, Freeman and McCann? Anybody home HOME Freddi?
Nubdan, you are correct. Bunt the 2 over. Then, they probably walk Chipper to load them up for Freman and McCann. But, still those 2 would have had a chance to tie or win the game with the bases loaded. Instead, bad call and DP.
Luv 2 Hate Me
July 23rd, 2012
11:53 pm
Demp is not the answer for the braves. I wouldn’t give up Delgado for this dude. He’s at the end of his career and won’t be worth jack come next year. I would take my chances with Liriano from the Twins, he’s a proven lefty and he’s much younger than Demp.
the truth...
July 23rd, 2012
11:57 pm
If Wren gives Delgado away for a rental……..or period in my opinion….it will be a trade that will come back to haunt him forever.
Delgado is almost there….his start Saturday night in Washington was evidence of his growth as he went seven leaving tied 2-2………
If Fredi had not pulled him then and brought in Martinez who promptly gave the game away….and had Uggla not blown the double play ball on Delgado’s watch…we may well have won that game as well.
We are NOT ONE PLAYER AWAY FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!! We are short in relief pitching and have only Prado and Simmons when he returns who we can count on from the right hand side…Uggla is again in such a funk he does’t count right now….
Oh I know everyone says “da, da, dah in the end Uggs will have 30 HR, etc”
Well he isn’t doing much in that direction and guess what guys….he may NOT ;pull out of his nose dive…..
SELLING ANY OF OUR TOP PROSPECTS FOR A RENTAL is a FOOLISH MOVE FRANK……
JRW7
July 24th, 2012
12:04 am
Don’t do it FRANK!!! DELGADO will be a MLB ALLSTAR one day!!! And I hpe it’s in ATLANTA!!
JRW7
July 24th, 2012
12:05 am
FRANK WREN: NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
the truth...
July 24th, 2012
12:09 am
Uggla is Fredi’s boy…calls him Danny you know….
Uggla is a great clubhouse guy….great for the dugout, morale,the consumate hustle player etc…a great, great guy….but he is so very streaky that his overall value is questionable…..$13 million a year…..tough sell …..
the truth...
July 24th, 2012
12:11 am
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
RENTALS
DO NOT TRADE DELGADO….GIVE THEM TEHERAN….NOT DELGADO
BayAreaBravesFan
July 24th, 2012
12:29 am
If this trade falls flat with Dempster then I think that is exactly what the Braves need to do – put Medlen into the rotation and be fair to him giving him another shot to start. I like JJ but he has some more work to do. Our mid relief other then Medlen has been spotty recently but Durban is looking better.
Braves Nation
July 24th, 2012
12:39 am
Grienke said he would be willing to sign a long term deal with the Braves. Why give up young talent for a rental?? Didnt you learn anything for the Texteria trade?? Matt Harrison and Elvis Andrus would be nice right now.
kirkinga
July 24th, 2012
12:47 am
Liariano gave up 7 in 2.2 last night. The Braves already have that now.
PaulieOldSchool
July 24th, 2012
12:50 am
Another g**damn rental. Nice going, Frank.
BUGGSY
July 24th, 2012
12:55 am
Please KEEP DELGADO!! Do not trade For DEMPS that is to much for him..An DELGADO is one my fav.young players.this is the way i would line up my starting rotation/#1Huddy,#2Minor,#3Hanson,#4Sheets,#5Delgado Then go get a good bench bat(RH), then get 1 more bullpen guy..Try and trade UGGLA if possible..Then hope for the best keep our young pitchers and wait till next year to make all the trades and build a WS team…thanks last beer going to bed..
TK
July 24th, 2012
1:13 am
No old rental…..Wren called about Lester in Boston. Call Tampa about Price. They want a young catcher…..have that in the minors. Let them choose from a list of Braves pitchers or other players. Yes, it will cost! But, in Price you get a #1 starter who is a young all-star.
mid wicket
July 24th, 2012
4:39 am
The question for Frank is …… Do the Braves have enough to get deep in the postseason with dempster? I think the pressure is there from so many different angles.
1. Frank is feeling the heat from up top
2 Chipper is probably applying pressure given this is his last year and wants to go out a winner
3 Fredi knows this may be his last job for awhile if they don’t catch fire and win
4 The fan base has had just about a gut full of mediocrity.
I just hope that the people at the top are not going to mortgage the future because of their own job insecurities or to please the Old battle Axe in his last go round. Because the efeect of these decisions are going to be felt long after this current crop have departed.
my 2 cents
mid wicket
July 24th, 2012
5:03 am
I personally like Delgado. I like his makeup and his stuff is pretty steady low mid 90’s fastball. His change at times is unhittable. It seems to me that he is an awful lot give up for 2month rental. Although, It looks like JJ is headed for the scrap heap. Hanson is a #3 at best and who knows what Teheran turns out to be. Huddy will be another year older. Beachy may or may not be back to form next year. Minor looks promising at times. Thank God we got Simmons to be excited about watching, I wonder what is this team going to look like next year and into the future when Chip is gone and its Mac last year before free agency with no centerfielder? Is now the time to go for it?????????
HelpBraves'Fans
July 24th, 2012
5:30 am
Dempster and Greinke wouldn’t put this team over the top to win the World Series. On top of that, Ken Rosenthal says the hold up may be the Braves. He says that they may want an extension agreement in place prior to trading for Dempster. If this deal doesn’t go through, I am not heartbroken.
Weaselhound
July 24th, 2012
6:29 am
I’d rather see Dempster come to the bull pen and give Kimbrel a chance in the starting rotation.
Beltran's Ear mole
July 24th, 2012
6:41 am
A 35 year old lifetime losing record pitcher for your seed corn? Fire Wren before he guts what’s left.
Weaselhound
July 24th, 2012
6:56 am
This kind of reminds me of the time we got Charlie Leibrandt.
Peter
July 24th, 2012
7:30 am
Frank Wren and the organization is starving for Hitting……. Meanwhile all the wonderful trades Frank has made will fill a book on how not to do it.
Rental players or over paid players include Tex, Lowe, Uggla, Kawakami, and Bourne…..who may or may not sign..but with Boros his agent…….really are we going to over pay yet again ?
How about those wonderful players we have given away ? The shortstop of the future, who in Texas is a a wonderful player….
Really besides the guys who came up from the minors…What has Frank Wren done for this organization ?
I would say the answer is in all the amazing playoff wins under him !
Peter
July 24th, 2012
7:39 am
To the morons praising the Yankees for picking up Ichiro, have you looked at his stats? He’s hitting like Janish.
Really ? Wow I would take Ichiro at 261 over a 161…… Heck I would trade him for Uggla, and get rid of the weak strikeout.
Johnny
July 24th, 2012
8:40 am
Wren didn’t make the trade for Teixeira. If you recall it was John Schuerholz. Still rather get a younger pitcher over Dempster (Greinke, Liriano) if we are giving up Delgado.
steve
July 24th, 2012
8:48 am
I wish management would wakeup and give Medlen a fair chance to start as he is better then 3 of our starters now, hope Delgado stays because he is going to be special , Jurrjens should have been sent back to the minors as he has not gotten better and we cannot continue to give away games, where is our right handed bat as you cannot have so many left handed hitters on the bench or the opposing team will continue to bring in lefthanded relief pitchers to get our pinch hitters out, get J.Willingham
Clay Carroll
July 24th, 2012
8:52 am
I thought Livan was the answer. Anyone heard from him lately?
Yogi
July 24th, 2012
9:02 am
Give away the future for a rental for 3 months..No.Epstein would gladly make the deal
Trade J. J. for Dempster. We need some offense more than pitching..What about a 2nd baseman?
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You guys are morons.
July 24th, 2012
9:17 am
Delgado a future cy young winner?? I’ve heard it all now.
JT Grace
July 24th, 2012
9:26 am
Frank Wren is an idiot if he trades 5 years of Randall Delgado for 2 months of an overachieving 35 year old pitcher. He will compound that mistake if he signs the Dumpster to a contract extension.
They need to trade for a younger guy like Greinke who is an actual ace…..not a wannabe like Dempster.
Taylor Wooten
July 24th, 2012
9:26 am
This aint the Schuerholtz-Cox Braves….thats for sure.
Taylor Wooten
July 24th, 2012
9:27 am
Frank Wren….not impressed at all with his “acumen”
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Hack Wilsun
July 24th, 2012
9:34 am
Braves need a Pitcher that ain’t afraid to throw at a Player running amonk hotdogging all series long at Turner field..Is Kyle Farnsworth available?
urban redneck
July 24th, 2012
9:38 am
first is dumb……………even dumber than trading delgado for dumpster. i would rather just stand pat.
P Rose
July 24th, 2012
9:40 am
Think 2013. Forget this year. Dempster will not propel this team into the World Series. This is season is The Chipper Jones Farewell Tour, and nothing more. Let this year be a rebuilding year by continuing to allow Minor and Delgado to take their inevitable early-career lumps. Next year they will be older, wiser and more experienced. Dempster will be nearly washed-up by next season, when Chipper’s and D-Lowe’s combined $25 million will come off the books, and then they can use that money to get a front-line pitcher and a right-handed outfielder to replace Bourn. Think 2013.
DeepDiver
July 24th, 2012
9:42 am
hate to give away Delgado. On balance, hate the trade, but maybe we owe it to Chipper.
Nattering Nabob
July 24th, 2012
9:43 am
Sign Greinke and pitch him, without fail, every Monday.
Art
July 24th, 2012
9:52 am
Constanza is a great runner if he can ever get on base. I am not sure what else he can do. He also seems overmatched in the outfield. The only problem he is the only depth in the minors for outfielders.
Braves rooter
July 24th, 2012
9:58 am
Why would Demster want to leave the Dodgers for the Braves. The Dodgers hit, the Dodgers are at the top of their division and at the top of the wild card. The Dodgers are a good chance for the playoffs, the Braves have nothing. They cant even hit a rookie pitcher. If I were Demster I would look at the Dodgers and tell them “I am not going to the Braves”.
BravesFan99
July 24th, 2012
9:59 am
We don’t owe Chipper anything. He earned millions of dollars to play for this team. We OWE him nothing. He OWES us playing time and to go the extra mile instead of sitting on the bench so much when the games look hard to win.
doug
July 24th, 2012
10:16 am
After “The Trade” with Texas I shudder everytime the Braves look to makeanother trade. Yes, Braves sorely need another solid starter ( still need a right handed bat with some pop) but if this is another rent a player and throw away some of the future I’d rather just wait.
Why?
July 24th, 2012
10:31 am
As most here I’m against this trade. This is the first time I am questioning Wren and front office. Didn’t Wren say the other week that they are look for a “top of the rotation” pitcher and will not trade for a lesser player? Just because Dempster is having a career year, doesn’t mean he’s a great pitcher. If this trade goes through many fans will not be happy!
Ed
July 24th, 2012
10:39 am
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Ed
July 24th, 2012
10:46 am
I do not think that pitching is the problem. Three of the last four games could/should have been one with a tiny bit of hitting. We should be looking for some players who have a little knowledge of fundamental baseball…… bunting, making contact between the ball and bat, hitting to opposite field. After 48 years of the same lackluster effort, I am sick of this crappy style of baseball, The old Atlanta Crackers were much more entertaining.
P Rose
July 24th, 2012
10:48 am
Trading the future in order to try to win this year, just so that Chipper can go out a winner, would be a terrible mistake. This team has too many holes to win it all this year anyway, even with the addition of a player such as Dempster. But I won’t be surprised if Wren makes the move.
If they do, imagine this worst-case scenario. The Braves win the Wild Card, lose in the Divisional Series, and then lose Dempster to free agency. Delgado (or Minor, or whomever they trade) will blossom next season, while the Braves become a truly bad team, and Chipper gets to gloat in his belief that he was the only reason the Braves used to be any good.
I know that’s a rather extreme scenario, and I hope I’m wrong! But if Wren trades away the team’s future aces, the results could be disastrous.
JOn
July 24th, 2012
10:50 am
Here’s the deal:
Frank Wren, through one of his lackeys, leaked the deal to Bowman because he knew Dempster would blow up if he heard about the trade through the media and not his manager. Wren is counting on Dempster voiding the deal, and that’s why he dangled Delgado. Wren really wants to base a trade for Greinke around Delgado, but the Brewers are hesitating. Wren’s bluffing in order to force the Brewers’ hand.
Implausible? Impossible?
ryan
July 24th, 2012
10:53 am
Looks like Wren is going to back out of the Dempster trade typical Frank meanwhile the Yanks get Ichrio from the Mariners Wren sucks .
Why?
July 24th, 2012
10:58 am
@ryan……You really want Dempster for Delgado?
leftrecursion
July 24th, 2012
11:01 am
The argument that Dempster is “overachieving” is ridiculous. The Braves are trading for him because he is achieving versus the 60% of our rotation that isn’t.
Scoots
July 24th, 2012
11:09 am
Would prefer Dempster as a rest-of-the-year rental over signing him long-term. He’s having an anomale year at 35, would command a high-salary long-term contract, probably resulting in a regrettable move similar to the Derek Lowe contract.
Trading Delgado is risky, but could pay off. We have him, Minor and Teheran as potentially good starters for many years – but all three are still unproven. Likely that 1 or 2 of them will turn out to be very good, but probably one or two of them doesn’t pan out. The question is who? With prospects it’s all a roll of the dice.
JC Boscan III
July 24th, 2012
11:23 am
If the Dempster trade does get done, it only gives the Braves a shot at the World Series if it’s accompanied by another 1 or 2 moves. We have to add SOMEONE to the roster who can hit left-handed pitching very well. Our depth stinks this year. Bad pinch-hitting and a lineup with poor efforts against lefty pitchers. If Minor’s recent improved pitching does not remain consistent, Medlen also needs to be added to the rotation along with Dempster. Hanson, for whatever reason, can not be trusted now, either. As long as Uggla’s hitting like a kindergartener, our offense has no shot in the playoffs. We may need another reliever if we use Medlen as a starter (but if the real Everyday Jonny steps up, we probably have enough bullpen strength.).
Grandma Giffin
July 24th, 2012
11:30 am
“Why would Demster want to leave the Dodgers for the Braves.”
Good thing Dempster is on the Cubs.
JOn
July 24th, 2012
11:30 am
Has a team that’s winless on Mondays (8 more Monday games, so it could happen) ever made the World Series?
Few_DaProud_DaBraves
July 24th, 2012
11:39 am
Grandma Giffin I was the thinking the same thing when I read the post.
bruce benedict
July 24th, 2012
11:40 am
Losing Delgado is no big deal- at best, he is inconsistent with potential. Every team has several pitchers like this in their organization. Dempster replacing Jurgens would be a HUGE improvement. Still, our inconsistent hitting is what will cost us in the long run.
bruce benedict
July 24th, 2012
11:44 am
What is it with you fans insisting on trading Uggla! Who will take him at his salary?!!! Also, we don’t have another 2nd baseman. When he goes on a tear, everone will be glad we kept him.
Ralph
July 24th, 2012
12:02 pm
DOB, is Sheets a FA at the end of this season and why is his contract information not available? https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tujElf32-2d237jk3IzWLsg&output=html
Ralph
July 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
Could we inlude Uggla in this trade deal for Reed Johnson?
southgabrave
July 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
@ Jon
Your thoughts on the on trading Delgado for Dempster may be right on. It could be (I only hope so) a ploy to get Greinke. I am sure the Braves will try to extend Greinke but not Dempster. I also believe Greinke has stated many times he likes Atlanta.
Hal J
July 24th, 2012
12:08 pm
There’s only one manager in all of baseball who would be writing “Uggla” EVERY DOGGONE DAY! He’s an automatic out, and I’m to the point that I’m happy when he strikes out — at least it’s just one out. Fredi is putting his own future here on the line with his blind loyalty, and Frank Wren is desperately trying to justify another big mistake. Face it. Dan Uggla is done. If he has options, send him to Gwinnett to find his stroke, and if he has no options, waive him, and DFA him. Put someone at 2B who can Mendoza at least?
tyrion lannister
July 24th, 2012
12:11 pm
Dempster had his little streak but he’s out of quality starts. I say the Braves gamble — bring up someone from the farm and roll the dice.
Hal J
July 24th, 2012
12:16 pm
bruce, we have an All Star second baseman playing LF, don’t we? And pending a trade for an outfielder we have a RH hitter at Gwinnett who has missed most of this season injured, Jordan Parraz, who has some pop and hits for a more consistently better average than Uggla — but then anybody does that, right?
panamajack
July 24th, 2012
12:16 pm
Maybe we could trade Uggla for a rent a player, that would be sweet.
Ralph
July 24th, 2012
12:18 pm
Gattis is going to save us in September!.
Deadline Dopes
July 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
Delgado for Dempster would be a coup for the Cubs. Dempster’s having a great 1/2 season, yes; but look at his career numbers. Nothing to get excited about. He’s also pitching great for a team that isn’t going anywhere. No pressure situations, at least no division/playoff race worries.
Dempster’s Teams
98-2002 marlins: most team wins 79, twice
02/03 reds: most team wins 78
04-current cubs: 2 playoff apps (2007 1IP, no runs in 8th)
2008 4.2IP, 4ER, 7BB, 2K & the LOSS
Not saying it means anything other than he’s 35 and has very little big game experience. The experience he DOES have isn’t anything to brag about.
If he doesn’t want to be here, great. It’s an easy out for FW. Delgado is a promising YOUNG SP on a team with a weakness at SP.
don
July 24th, 2012
12:20 pm
The Braves need to back out of this fiasco. Wren has agreed to another of his infamous boner rental trades. To be given a chance to undue the harm, is a gift. Wren shouldn’t waste it. If he carries on, he has further proven that he is a moron of monumental proportions.
Back out, Idiot Wren before it is too late.
J
July 24th, 2012
12:24 pm
No Dempster it’s a bad idea all around. I would love to see Medlen as a started again I believe he is the answer. Some production from 2nd base would be amazing! I do think we need to go for it It’s WS or bust for this crew.
On another note I would like to know how Fredi or Chipper or anyone did not tell one of pitchers to plunk Melky he was just asking to be hit especially when he Taunted Heyward and then took a decade to round the bases after his home run. That is baseball code you have to plunk him.
southgabrave
July 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Other possible OFers to check on might be Denard Span whois CF that could take Bourn place next year. Twins may want tomuch forhim. Another Twin for the bench is RFer Mastronni, good arm with some speed. He might come cheap and could be a good bench player. He alsohits from the right side.
tyrion lannister
July 24th, 2012
12:31 pm
J, plunking Melky would have been a nice sight but the Braves needed that game and couldn’t afford to have Huddy ejected.
DawgDad
July 24th, 2012
12:34 pm
It’s usually a mistake to think you are one or two players away from a Championship. The Braves need multiple pieces to win this year. If they get them according to the standard formula most likely it will cost several young arms; there are no guarantees and 2013-14 could get REAL ugly.
If the Braves take a shot with Hudson, Hanson, Sheets, Dempster, and Minor — good luck. With this group they might not have enough starting pitching to play out the 2012 schedule and in the playoffs the Braves lineup could be shut down by an ace righthander and any collection of lefties.
I have to say, to be fair, if the Brewers would take Delgado for Greinke I’d make the deal in a heartbeat. But failing to land the future staff ace, the Braves can make a half-hearted run this year or they could potentially set themselves up as a force for years to come. The core of young position players and the closer is too good to squander in mediocrity. Wren should trade Hanson before he blows up like JJ and becomes worthless, because he essentially has no future here. He needs to give Bourn/Boras a re-sign now ultimatum or trade him and get something valuable in return. Now would be the perfect time to trade Sheets, too, and demand top-shelf prospects in return. And Dan Uggla needs to go; his contract and style of play don’t fit in the plan.
Make some bold moves, get a couple of young starters and position players back, still have a reasonable shot this year, and be in a much better position age and salary-wise to compete for the Division in 2013 and beyond.
Columbus
July 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
Dempster will be a Brave by the end of the day it look like. Braves think they can resign him.
Braves wanted Greinke but there were issues involved etc. and instead of dealing with that situation, the Braves moved onto Dempster. Look for Dempster to be a Brave any minute and the Cubs to pay some of his remaining 5.5 million salary for this year….
Washington wanted him too….so did other teams but the Cubs like the Braves offer better than the others…thank goodness Washington didnt get him!
BATBOY
July 24th, 2012
1:06 pm
WREN HAS TO BE KIDDING…THE GUY HAD A ERA LAST YR OF ALMOST 5…..HE IS SOON TO BE 36…AND IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH…HE MAKES WHAT CHIPPER MAKES…14 MILLION A YEAR….BRAVES FRONT OFFICE HAS LOST THEIR MINDS…
BATBOY
July 24th, 2012
1:09 pm
HEY J…..ON THE TOPIC OF HITTING PLAYERS ….CHIPPER GOT HIT BY PITCH THE OTHER DAY..HIS FIRST SINCE 2009…PITCHERS TODAY BELONG TO A UNION..OTHERWISE CHIPPEE WOULDA GOTTEN PLUNKED LONG AGO
BBall
July 24th, 2012
1:13 pm
What is wrong with 1,2,3 baseball. Tying runs on first and second with no outs. Have Heyward bunt move runners to third and second. Chipper’s hit and we are tied. Bring Bobby back or get someone who knows how to coach the game to win.
Hal J
July 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Agree completely with Greinke being worth more than Dempster, even much more. Brewers apparently are dangling $100M for him to stay 5 years, and if he rejects that, he may be available next week, or beyond, after waivers, or on the free agent market off-season. He likes Atlanta, it is said — but then so did Georgia Tech’s own Mark Texeira, didn’t he? You’ve still got to find the big bucks to hold the big guys. The question becomes — would Greinke for the rest of this season be worth the price we have to pay — Delgado, plus another pitcher, maybe Avilan or Gilmartin, and a minor league position player? Steep price, but I would pay it. If it should then happen that we get into the playoffs and Huddy, Sheets and Greinke carry us deep, maybe all the way, then imagine the feeling! But for now? Let’s pass on Mr. Dempster and wish him the best, except when we knock the stuffing out of him.
Chipmunk
July 24th, 2012
1:18 pm
I say put Medlen in the starting rotation, and move Jair to the bullpen. The former has been really impressive so far.
BrandonLee49
July 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
“His last Start was friday when he gave up 4 Runs in 6 innings”… Yea Now That’s an Improveement Worth Trading The Farm for… Total LAme-A__ Lack of Thinking on the Braves Part…. He is NOT a High-Quality Pitcher, Why Anyone with any Sense is Going After Dempster.. is Total Insanity. If you’re gonna bet the Farm, save it for Greinke, not some over-rated overweighted material like Dempster…
BrandonLee49
July 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
and GET MEDLIN in the ROTATION… Why did MGMT Ship Medlin Down to the Minors… to Prep him for STARTING…. Does ANYONE in BRAVES MGMT KNOW What the HELL they are doing???? Apparenly NOT.
Columbus
July 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
There are issues with getting Greinke and it might not have ever worked out. Braves wanted him but had to move on. Dempster can be resigned at less than his current contract if the Braves want to offer one.
This is about THIS season OK? Dawgdad you are saying forget about this year?! The Braves have a chance to win the division and you say focus on the next couple years more than this year?! HAve you lost your mind? There is no dominating NL team. The Braves can win in the playoofs against anybody. That means they have as good of a shot as anybody in the NL to get to the World Series and you say throw in the towel on this year?!!! Trade Bourn this year? Trade Hanson this year? Why not trade Hudson too? Hes no spring chicken?! Trade Sheets? Then maybe in a couple years the young pitchers we get in return MIGHT be ready to make a run with the young position players? The pitchers we have now are ready to make a run and when there is another TOP NOTCH starter in the rotation to go along with the bullpen and a lineup that s capable of putting of lots of runs THE TIME IS NOT LEXT YEAR, IT IS THIS YEAR. IT IS CHIPPERS LAST YEAR ALSO AND THE BRAVES ARE AND SHOULD GO FOR IT!!! THEY AHVE SOME EXTRA CASH NEXT YEAR BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOME YOUNG GUYS CONTRACTS COMING UP THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET PAID AND PAID A LOT!
SURE THE BRAVES HAVE A SHOT TO GO TO THE WORLD SERIES BUT DAWGDAD SAYS FORGET ABOUT IT WREN. TRADE SHEETS AND HANSON AND BOURN AND UGGLA NOW! IS HE SERIOUS OR TRYING TO BE COMIC RELIEF?!!! LETS WAIT UNTIL THE PHILLIES AND THEIR 180 MILLION DOLLAR PAYROLL ARE STRONG NEXT YEAR AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM AND THE DODGERS AND A STRONGER NATIONALS TEAM!
WE CAN WIN THE DIVISION THIS YEAR BUT DAWGDAD SAYS SCREW THAT?! WHO PLAYS TO WIN THE DIVISION WHEN THE OPPURTUNITY IS WELL WITHIN REACH? EVERYBODY BUT DAWGDAD?!
TRADE UGGLA….IS HE OUT HIS MIND? UGGLA IS ALWAYS BEEN STREAKY….ALWAYS! WHERES YOUR RIGHT HANDED POWER THEN DAWGDAD? WHERES YOUR MOST CONSISTENT HOMERS AND RBI MAN EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER ON THE ROSTER NOW? UGGLA IS CONSISTENT. HE IS STREAKY BUT HIS YEAR END NUMBERS ARE DEPENDABLE. HE HIT 36 HOMERS LAST YEAR? HE IS CHEAP FOR THOSE TYPE NUMBERS. HE PROTECTS OTHER HITTERS IN THE LINEUP AND WILL CARRY A TEAM FOR 2-3 MONTHS AT A TIME AND HE IS FEARED BY ALL PITCHERS AND YOU TRADE HIM? THANK GOD DAWGDAD IS NOT OUR GM THIS YEAR OR THE SEASON WOULD BE OVER. IN CHIPPERS LAST SEASON? ANOTHER DIVISION TITLE AND A WORLD SERIES RUN? OH WELL! HILARIOUS!
THE BRAVES ARE NOT IN THE METS OR MARLINS POSITION. THE BRAVES ARE BUYERS AND ARE GOING FOR IT! AND IF THEY DIDNT WREN WOULD BE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF BASEBALL! THE BRAVES CAN WIN THE DIVISION….HELLO? DAWGDAD? OVER 2 MONTHS TO GO…..THE BOYS JUST HAD A NICE STREAK GOING….HEYWARD IS DOING WELL, MCCANN HAS FOUND HIS SWING, FREDDIE IS HITTING WELL. SO IS BOURN AND PRADO AND CHIPPER AND UGGLA WILL BEFORE SEPTEMBER….ALL STARTERS HAVE BEEN PITCHING GREAT EXCEPT JJ’S LAST 2 STARTS….WE GOT THE BEST CLOSER IN BASEBALL AND A FEW OTHER DARN GOOD RELIEVERS BUT SHOULD THROW IN THE TOWEL AND TRADE EVERYBODY?!!!!!
ANOTHER DIVISION TITLE AND A WORLD SERIES RUN? OH WELL?!! LETS BUILD FOR THE FUTURE? THE FUTURE IS NOW DAWGDAD! THE NEXT FEW YEARS WILL BE FINE TOO….THE BRAVES SHOULD BE SELLERS THIS YEAR…….HILARIOUS!
Detroit Got It Right
July 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
The Sanchez/Infante trade would have been better than a Dempster trade. You still would have the pieces to trade for Grienke. You would improve your bench tremendously. Reason Uggla is in lineup everyday b/c there are no better options. With Infante on team, that could change and it would have helped Uggla to have some days off. And if you don’t get Grienke, I still think Braves could contend at least for a wild card playoff spot especially with an improved bench.
Columbus
July 24th, 2012
1:45 pm
Chippers last year is a bonus but its not about Chipper dufus, its about having better than a slim chance at getting to the world series THIS year and the Braves having extra cash to sign free agents if needed next year….Wren is smarter than all of you put together….ALL SPORTS PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS WILL HELP THE BRAVES TREMENDOUSLY. You see all the contracts coming up in the next year or 2? Several guys will be gone.
The time is now. Only 4.5 games back with only 2 dependable starters for a couple months….add Sheets and Dempster and Uggla getting on fire with MCann back and Minor and Huddy and Hanson pitching well and a strong bullpen with Bourn, Freeman, Prado, Heyward and Simmons coming BACK….the time is NOW people.
Get on the A-Train because it is rolling FULL SPEED AHEAD AND GOING FOR THE RING THIS YEAR! DOnt get left saying the Braves shouldnt go for it and stick with what they got. Youre missing the oppurtunity at hand. Phillies and their MASSIVE payroll are not in the picture like they will be next year. Braves can replace Delgado, they have the cash to sign a FA for 3 or 4 years…AND they still have some good arms in the minors….
Bottomline is that the Braves have aa good roster NOW and have a great shot in 2012 but NOT IF THEY DONT HAVE STARTING PITCHING DEPTH. WREN IS ROLLING THE DICE AND HE SHOULD!
SEE YOU NAYSAYERS IN OCTOBER BABY! GO WREN GO! GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER STARTER AND
DEMPSTER DESTROYS THE NL EAST BABY!!!! LOOK IT UP…..KILLS THEM!!HEAR THAT NATIONALS? KILLS YOU!!
ryan
July 24th, 2012
1:54 pm
OK i get what everyone is saying its to risky to go after Demster and Grienkie would be a safer choice Braves are struggling and we remember what happen last year with the collapse .
Why?
July 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
DOB anything on the below? I hope its true!
12:43pm: Dempster doesn’t want to be traded to the Braves, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Instead, the right-hander hopes to be dealt to the Dodgers. While the Dodgers had interest in Dempster and were considered by some to be the favorites to acquire him, they didn’t reach an agreement with the Cubs. Chicago would lose leverage with the Dodgers if Dempster rejects a trade to the Braves, his second choice.
Preston Hannatized
July 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
Ken Rosenthal (consider the source) reporting that Dempster wants to go to the Dodgers and won’t agree to a Braves trade until the deadline (the 31st) giving the Cubs more time to work out a deal with LA.
Art
July 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
OK time to try another pitcher since Dempsty Dumpster does not want to be a Brave. He wants to train in Arrizona to stay near his family. Dodgers wouldnt give Cubs what the Braves wanted.
leftrecursion
July 24th, 2012
2:18 pm
The Braves should go hard after some other starting pitcher BUT maybe the Braves could pull off a three team deal here. Dodgers get Dempster, Cubs get Delgado, Braves get Ethier????? LOL
fladawg
July 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
Hey…. Why doesn’t someone leak this. Frank Wrenn is incompetent. Could he possibly have made the Braves look any worse in this situation?
C from Marietta
July 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
@ fladawg
How does this make the Braves look bad? How is Frank Wren incompetent in this situation? Do you know HE leaked the story? OR Are you just throwing a blog temper tantrum?
ryan
July 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
So what happens if the Braves come away with nothing .
Skeezix
July 24th, 2012
2:54 pm
I know the Braves never officially announced anything and I have no idea whose fault it is, but the reports/misreports/rumors/etc. on Dempster are making the Braves and Cubs look bad. If it is true that he really prefers L.A. then Wren should back out now (if he can).
Brvs1fan
July 24th, 2012
3:01 pm
AroundthehornAHOLE……..how do you know what the trade is for? Just shooting your mouth off with no verified info!!!!
leftrecursion
July 24th, 2012
3:03 pm
If it’s true that Dempster wants to go to LA than Wren definitely needs to walk away from this deal. If he doesn’t want to be here I fear he’ll be worse than JJ or Delgado.
GimmeAbreak
July 24th, 2012
3:06 pm
Okay… Frank Wren is trying to trade a young, promising arm for a 35 year-old rent-a-player who has given up 4 runs in his last 6 innings and says that move plus Ben Sheets’ addition (must admit Sheets has out-pitched anyone else on this staff of late) will help turn the corner. Sounds like another “Braves” thing to do.
Why not tell your manager to get off his ass and manage this team! Fredi is less involved in the game than the iPad-loving fans who are shown on TV behind home plate during the games! One of those was on her cell phone and was obviously told that she was showing too much cleavage and made a quick adjustment! At least she MADE A CORRECTION! Please take note Fredi… When something is not right you might try to do something!
And, by the way who said this team is a “contender”?
leftrecursion
July 24th, 2012
3:17 pm
I so hope Dempster tries stringing this trade along until at least tomorrow. At that point Greinke will have pitched again and Wren and crew can make an offer to a guy who has said that he wants to play for the Braves.
Rob In Fayetteville
July 24th, 2012
3:20 pm
Let’s say that Dempster accepts the deal to the Braves, even after word has gotten out that he prefers the Dodgers. (My guess is that the deal doesn’t get done for that reason, but for the sake of argument, let’s go with the idea that Dempster goes to Atlanta).
Remember what happened about twelve years ago when John Schuerholz traded for BJ Surhoff (who we affectionately referred to as “Surly-hoff”) to shore up the offense. It was obvious from the moment he was traded that he was less than enthusiastic about being in Atlanta, and he played like it. He whined about leaving Baltimore, and sure enough he went right back to the Orioles when his time was done here.
If we do get Dempster, knowing now his first preference is L.A., how certain are the Braves that they are going to get a guy who is fully motivated to being here, and being a part of a team, when his desire is to be with another?
I say the deal falls through, and I hope it falls through. A guy whose heart isn’t into being here has no business being here, period.
Keith
July 24th, 2012
3:25 pm
Wren has done a pretty darn good job with what he has had to work with in my opinion…giving what he knows at the time.
Keith
July 24th, 2012
3:26 pm
Dempster will be motivated to make the playoffs and advance. He’s a fierce competitor. Even though his #1 would be LA, he will be just fine here as far as his motivation. Especially if we sign him to another 1-2 years.
Joey The Bull
July 24th, 2012
3:43 pm
I saw screw him. If he doesn’t want to be here, he will just hurt us. Go get Grienke Frank. If you pay him, he will come. Make Dempster feel like an idiot for nixing this deal.
keef
July 24th, 2012
3:58 pm
ummm…until we get a real owner, this is all for naught. Why? because you may not have noticed but MANY stars do NOT want to come/stay in Atlanta…to name a recent few…Peavy, Burnett, Teixeira, and the list goes on. Why? Payroll. Period. Why go to a team that can afford “you” and then the well is tapped for the other 2-3 pieces you will need to win the world series? And then become a bridesmaid instead of a bride as we saw 13 straight times in the 1990’s…
Have you also noticed that if a semi-good player comes available ( Dempster is s SUB .500 PITCHER WITH an overall 4.35 + era…we scramble for him (scraps) as if he is Tom Seaver??? it’s really embarrassing…
ryan
July 24th, 2012
4:18 pm
If we don’t get Demster so be it what i hate about all these pro’s in NFL , MLB , NBA is there selfishness to only wanting to play in New York or LA or Miami i am just getting tired of it .
Art
July 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
Go for Garza since he is under team control thru 13.
Bobby Cox
July 24th, 2012
4:20 pm
If Dempster doesn’t want to come to Atlanta……Screw him!!!!!
Bobby Cox
July 24th, 2012
4:20 pm
If Dempster doesn’t want to come to Atlanta……Screw him!!!!!
59bulldawg
July 24th, 2012
4:20 pm
I’m all for getting Dempster . . . but not at the expense of Delgado! Hell I’d give them Hanson, Jurrjens, and Minor . . . 3 for 1 . . . but Delgado is too much. The kid is getting better with each outing and is gonna be a star one day.
skep
July 24th, 2012
4:40 pm
The braves make very few good trades and especially at trade deadlines. We got McGriff one year was a good one, but there are 5 bad ones for every McGriff trade.So we trade Delgado and with all the holes we still have we are not going to the World Series. What do we do next year without Chipper and Dempster signed with someone else? If this turns out bad which I think it will Wren needs to go.
Old Guy
July 24th, 2012
4:50 pm
Sell, sell, sell. Trade McCann, Bourne, Hudson and clear up some salary for the coming years. Get while the gettin’s good…
angry acworth fan
July 24th, 2012
5:23 pm
screw dempster!! its obvious that he doesn’t want to come here so let the piece of crap have his way!! i’d rather have greinke anyway!!
brave braverson
July 24th, 2012
5:35 pm
i clapped when i heard it was a done deal on the radio, mlb network, and internet.
but now…..maybe not a good idea. putting a guy who deosnt want to be here into our playoff bound team? he’s not gonna pitch to his potential if he comes. watch.
Deadline Dopes
July 24th, 2012
5:47 pm
These deadline deals are for teams with no pocketbook strings. Teams like NYY, PHI and BOS. Those teams can afford to re-sign FAs they deal for. Based on Dumpster’s career numbers, I can’t figure out why the braves even are going after him. Dempster pretty much has no postseason experience, but unlike Delgado, he WON’T be getting any better.
4 years ago Dempster started in the NLDS, went 4.2 innings, coughed up 4 runs (all earned), WALKED 7 and struck out 2. Oh, and he had a 2-0 lead after the second inning but couldn’t get out of the 5th and lost the game.
That’s it folks. Aside from an inning of relief (in another loss) the year prior, that is the extent of Dumpster’s postseason exp. So, to trade for a 35 year old with a career 4.31ERA and 1.432WHIP just because he had 15 good starts for a team 18 games under .500 is ridiculous.
Delgado’s got (despite the extremely small sample size) a 3.98 (4.42 this season) ERA with a 1.374 (1.429 this season) WHIP. Dempster does have better career K/9ip, H/9ip, K/BB ratios, but you know he only has one direction to go: DOWN.
Delgado, however, will get better. You want help in the rotation and you JUST HAVE to trade for someone, then go after GREINKE. But you better damn well make sure he signs long term. And he will cost Teheran and maybe others. But Delgado for Dumpster defies logic. Put Medlen back in the rotation before you send away a quality young arm for an old guy who’s pitching way above his career #s, and who WILL NOT sign an extension.
Its a no brainer Frank. Dumpster did you a favor. Back away, but don’t do it slowly. RUN like hell.
59bulldawg
July 24th, 2012
6:04 pm
If he don’t want to come now he won’t sign later. Renting him for the rest of the season at the expense of Delgado is just stupid. Wren is an imbecile! He wrecked the Orioles, now he’s trying to wreck the Braves. I know you have to give up something to get something but this makes no sense.
HelpBraves'Fans
July 24th, 2012
6:11 pm
Move along, Braves. Move along.
ryan
July 24th, 2012
6:19 pm
Dempster the Dumpster that new name for this jerk .
Joey M
July 24th, 2012
6:27 pm
I would never trade a player like Delgado for a rental like Dempster. I would make that deal for Grinke only if he signed an extension. Dempster is old and at the end of his career. He’s pitching for a new deal. Let’s just move Medlen back to the rotation. He’s a better starter anyway.
Jerry
July 24th, 2012
6:29 pm
This trade is a mistake, Dempster is doing us a favor my not coming here. You don’t want a player that doesn’t want to come here.
Bulldawgman49
July 24th, 2012
6:46 pm
I just got the news that the Dempster trade went thru. Good Addition to the rotation for sure I think he would be happy to be on a team that has a good chance to get to the postseason.
Joey M
July 24th, 2012
6:53 pm
Ignore Bulldawgman49. The trade has not gone thru yet. It looks like Dempster will be going to Anaheim. This is a better fit because we don’t need a 35 year old rental player.
Ken Stallings
July 24th, 2012
7:00 pm
I don’t like trading Delgado for Dempster only because Dempster will not sign any long-term deal with Atlanta and will be simply a multi-month rental.
At best, the Braves are a wild card team. I do not see the Braves catching the Nationals. Even if the Nats shut down Strausburg down in early September, they have enough pitching to avoid losing streaks and I don’t see the Braves (with or without Dempster) going on the kind of winning streak that the Cardinals did last season. Remember, the Cards were widely considered a grossly underperforming team until they finally heated up. They always had the overall talent to win, but apparently forgot how until the last month of the season!
Winning for the emotion of sending out Chipper on a winning note is not a wise idea when the price is giving up one of your conerstone young pitchers. The Braves don’t have the money to chase after free agent prime pitchers and therefore those in your farm system with the capability to become that kind of pitcher are just too valuable to give up for a rental.
I hope Dempster declines this trade.