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JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
First?
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
1st
foist
July 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
foist
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:34 pm
JHC – you can’t be first. You are a nolie-hating troll.
Now, I’ll go read.
HeyJay
July 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm
We need pitching. Who’s next on the list?
Let’s deal big for King FELIX!
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
I don’t care what any one says – Dempster is an upgrade to this rotation.
Him, Huddy, Hanson and Sheets can make it happen.
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Is dempster the answer?. . . . . . .
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Jimmy</b< – Oh, are those the rules? Gotcha….SECOND! ;p
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:37 pm
Dumpster – I don’t really care. Let’s just win tonight.
Jason
July 23rd, 2012
6:37 pm
I don’t understand… Yankees get Ichiro in a cleanly announced trade, yet Braves have a PR mess now with is deal. Why can’t it just be cut and dry? It’s embarrassing.
reckingball
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Trading away Delgado would be a huge mistake, imo.
hank
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
does he have a deadline to accept to the trade?
Around The Horn
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
A TERRIBLE TRADE FRANK
So now Frank Wren has decided to mortgage the Braves future for a “going on” 36 year old pitcher.
You gave up far too much in Delgado Frank.
I’ve not been against Wren as a GM up until this point, but there’s little wisdom in giving up such a promising young starter for a two month rental.
You gave up so much for so little!
A far better move – to ensure the Braves more wins this year – would have been simply to replace Fredi as manager.
You must have thought Frank, as Ken Rosenthal alluded to earlier this season, that your job is on the line if the team doesn’t win this year.
Was the pressure on because of your past foolishness Frank?
You readily got fooled in hiring Fredi Gonzalez, who’s clearly incompetent as a major league manager – and is probably the worst tactical manager in the majors.
You got fooled in giving current NL strikeout leader Dan Uggla a 12.4 million dollar per year contract, the highest contract ever paid to a second baseman.
You got fooled with signing D. Lowe to “a high rent district” Scott Boras styled contract, which you’re eating 10 million dollars of this year.
You also got fooled with K. Kawakami, who spent his last year languishing in the minors – at 7 million a year.
So no, it won’t be for either you or the Braves, as the old Who song suggests: “WE WON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN!”
For Frank, you JUST GOT FOOLED AGAIN!
This is a John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander kind of a trade in reverse!
In fact over the weekend the Washington broadcasters commented that Delgado reminded them somewhat of Pedro Martinez, while discussing Delgado’s potential.
And Theo Epstein is laughing all the way toward rebuilding the Cubs with a high quality Braves prospect – just as the Rangers once did with four high quality Braves prospects.
To think I was lauding you for showing some restraint this winter – by not trading away young prospects.
Who should you have traded to get Dempster Frank? Someone like a Todd Redmond – maybe combined with a lesser prospect.
But you already traded Redmond away to get Janish, didn’t you Frank, when you realistically could have used Pastornicky** and Wilson (who won’t be out long) for six weeks.
**(After all Frank, you thought Pastornicky was qualified enough defensively to start the season.)
It’s a TERRIBLE TRADE FRANK, JUST TERRIBLE!!
TDub
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Rosenthal is saying a possible holdup might be that the Braves want to sign him to an extension, and Dempster wants to play for a team that trains in Arizona? I guess if Valley Fever is your thing… http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/a_possible_explanation_for_the_holdup_in_the_dempster_deal/11281129?new_post=true
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Jimmy – YESSIR! My 2 year old asked to stay up late tonight to watch the game with me.
Love it.
I miss Omar
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Chipper pretty outspoken re pitching. Good for him.
Realist
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
In case this thing falls through…. does anyone have Kawakami’s cell phone number?
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
I don’t like letting go of Delgado. I know he doesn’t look that great now, but give it 2 years. I know we have to give up SOMEONE to get dempster.
Pace
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Sounds like the news of the trade caught Dempster by surprise – and he’s earned the right to veto any trade. If, as Ken Rosenthal says he doesn’t want to extend to come to Atlanta, is he the right fit? Delgado for a two-three month rental?
TDub
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Oh for God’s sake, Around the Horn. Take a valium.
mountain_jim
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Not convinced Hanson can still ‘make it happen’. He’s turning into a junk-baller also.
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Around the Horn – How can a non-trade be a Terrible trade?
Just wondering…
Felix
July 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Thanks for the update Dave. Looks like a lot of the usual suspects in today’s ‘.com media world’ jumped the gun on this one.
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:40 pm
If you haven’t heard, Omar to Detroit. Wow!
reckingball
July 23rd, 2012
6:40 pm
Is Medlen incapable of starting?
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
6:40 pm
Glad for Omar Infant. Wish he were still a Brave,but at least he gets to be in a pennant race.
Pace
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
So Infante was in the Line-up tonite, batting 7th. Guess we miss him!
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
mountain_jim – I really hope you’re wrong on that. I’d like to see what Tehran can bring…
Braveschipper
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
I rather see tommy hanson be traded than delgado! Hanson is going to be a free agent soon and he is a boras client. And to top it all off he sucks!!! His fastball is the worst in the majors, i said that like 30 times already but its true! I hate watching him pitch! I just hope they trade Tommy hanson instead of delgado ..
BREAKING: Chicago Cubs (Probably) Agree to Trade Ryan Dempster to Atlanta Braves for Randall Delgado (UPDATES – Everyone Says Not So Fast) | Bleacher Nation | Chicago Cubs News, Rumors, and Commentary
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
[...] 24: David O’Brien reports on things from the Atlanta side, expressing the surprise of some sources that a deal hadn’t [...]
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
You know what Dempster? F you. A guy that doesn’t wanna pitch for a contender is a serious red flag. Move on Wren. Would much rather have Liriano or Greinke.
Jimmy
July 23rd, 2012
6:42 pm
reckingball – They’ll have to send him down and ’stretch him out”.
Oh wait, we’ve done that and put him back in the pen.
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:42 pm
Jesuschristo- my 18 month old does the “chop chant” when she sees me watching ye braves. I didn’t teach her, she just started doing it. Ohhhhh ohhhh oh oh oh.
reckingball
July 23rd, 2012
6:43 pm
I hope that this deal falls through, and Wren will come to his senses, if in fact, he is planning on giving Delgado away.
jim
July 23rd, 2012
6:43 pm
Not all of these struggles have been at the end of the rotation. Hanson has looked mediocre to terrible on about half of his starts but gets a lot of run support — Delgado has pitched to an equivalent or better ERA an d WHIP but gets no run support. Even Hudson throws in a clunker every 3 or 4 outings.
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
Agreed around the horn. Well said.
Dan Stuggla
July 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
I do not like this trade!!!
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
Not real keen on getting rid of Delgado either. Uggla for a stick of gum and Teheran for Dumpster.
bobby
July 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
@around the horn you are a dumbass. enough said
I TOLD U SO
July 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
Dempster is Jurrjens in a Cubs uniform. His year will turn out like Jurrjens last season.
IlliniBrave
July 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
Dumpster seeming to be acting like a jerk here. The PR mess is leaving Wren with egg on his face. This is what happens when you are desperate.
Glenn
July 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
Either he wants a guaranteed extension before he accepts the trade or there’s more to the story than we’ve been told because he’s supposed to have a really good relationship with Frank Wren and Fredi Gonzalez.
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
I agree with Around the Horn………….giving up a 22 year old with MLB experience is foolish. Dempster is a rental………….not worth what we were looking at spending.
DOC
July 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
What AROUND THE HORN said
ronaldh
July 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Look at the era of the starters. Have we considered trading roger mcdowell? He is supposed to be developing these guys and he is not getting the job done. They need to send him so far away from Atlanta that he couldn’t find his way back with a gps.
Danny Boy
July 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Wren’s on crack. Dempster’s too old, Delgado will be an All Star. Why not deal Uggla….why are we so freakin’ loyal to this guy. He can’t hit a lick.
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
6:49 pm
Jim, I agree. Hanson has pitched like Millwood and dodges the criticism because of run support. McDowell needs to go. Leo, get yo mad ass back on that coaching staff.
DrJones10
July 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm
Around the Horn may be a bit over the top, but he’s right about one thing – giving up Delgado for a 2+ month rental is far too high a price for a solid veteran pitcher currently riding his hottest streak ever.
Unless Demster is a major part in a World Series team, there’s no way this doesn’t come back to bite the Braves.
Personally, I would have preferred they make a play for Liriano. Probably cheaper, prospect wise, younger and under control for at least one more year, albeit through arbitration.
My $.02
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm
reckingball
July 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
Trading away Delgado would be a huge mistake, imo.
For once I agree with you 100%, a future Cy Young winner for a 2 month rental, terriable deal.
JesusHChristo
July 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm
AtheistLovesChristmas – LOVE IT! I’m still trying to get him to do the chop…
Why are all you people upset about a NON-TRADE! When/If it does happen, then be mad…but until then…Damn..
jim
July 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm
We fon’t deal Uggla because nobody will take him for even a Todd Redmond level prospect — or that stick of Wrigley’s gum somebody mentioned earlier.
Ray
July 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm
many of you were complaining about Delgado, he needs to be out. You complain about Wren “sitting on his hands” When he tries to pull off a trade without giving away the top 2 pitching prospects you complain about a kid that is not ready for the majors. I can assure you the cubs were led to believe that Dempster would approve the deal to the dodgers and the braves.
henry tn
July 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
dempster is not coming to atlanta and i hope not because delgada is to good a prospect to be traded away….
Flying South
July 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
Once again…drama drama drama. I am still pulling for JJ and I miss the HELL out of Bobby Cox.
Braveschipper
July 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
It has just been confirmed guys, demoster for delgado! FML! I wish they had traded hanson instead of delgado : (
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
I don’t know about “future cy young”, but I believe we will be disappointed on the long run.
phil
July 23rd, 2012
6:54 pm
Huge mistake if this goes through….
The delay is likely so Wren can guage reaction from us knowledgeable bloggers. No way he pulls the trigger now!
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
6:54 pm
Just looking at what is available for starting pitching, I think the Braves should use a combination of Medlen, Delgado, and Minor. Medlen is by far the most polished of the three.
kdawg1017
July 23rd, 2012
6:55 pm
hey DOB, please stop announcing deals that are NOT official yet it seems to upset players and in turn want nothing to do with us. that is all
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
6:55 pm
Nice to have a new fresh blog so we can get away from the other “cranky old farts ” who like to call other people “fools and idiots” even if you just disagree with them. That’s like those people who call you a “bigot”, when actually based on the definition of the word itself, are the real “bigots”.
IlliniBrave
July 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm
Dumpster’s arrogant reluctance will end up saving Wren’s a**!
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm
Delgado is learning how to pitch finally and now you deal him? For Liriano? Yes. For Grienke? Yes. Dumpster is too old. Hudson, Sheets and Dumpster… Yeah that’s built for the long haul.
Brave New World
July 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm
Know what? Let’s take our chances with Delgado and forget Dempster.
cowdogit
July 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
Canstanza is back, Bring Mazzone back and the braves will win the division with out trading our future.
Brave New World
July 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
MD Braves fan July 23rd, 2012 6:56 pm
Delgado is learning how to pitch finally and now you deal him? For Liriano? Yes. For Grienke? Yes. Dumpster is too old. Hudson, Sheets and Dumpster… Yeah that’s built for the long haul.
Agree.
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
Well you know it had to be either Delgado or minor. Minor is left handed. . . . . . .
IlliniBrave
July 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
iTiSi: my experience on these blogs is that it is the “hot-headed young fools” that are more often responsible for name-calling and spewing venom than “cranky old farts”.
Jesus
July 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
SO many people were asking for an upgrade to our rotation. Now that we have a deal in place, people are still not happy. Give and inch and they want a mile. I for one, am not opposed to dealing Delgado. We can win now, we’ll worry about two years from now, two years from now.
FSUBrave
July 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
i hope not…i’d rather have Greinke…
HAL
July 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm
ya wrens terrible if it was j.s hed have made the cubbies take tehran,minor ,betancourt and simmons
jim
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
Maybe a rotation of Sheets, Hudson, Matt Harrison, Scott Diamond and Delgado would look pretty good right now. Wait we gave 2 of those guys away for a rental and a roster spot and seem to be giving the other one away for another rental.
Ray, just who are these top 2 pitching prospects? Viz and Beachy are out for the season and more so don’t count them. Despite what any publication might say, it seems Delgado has moved to the head of our prospect class.
TNScott
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
Trading for Dempster is quickly turning into a blog dumpster fire.
Billy Brave
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
Dempster is 35 and makes $14 mil per year. That’s what it will cost to resign him. Plus we gave up a 22 year old dynamic arm. Theo Epstein is laughing at us.
Pace
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
It sounds like the Braves and Cubs had a deal in place, but nobody had talked w/Dempster about it. Bowman broke the news of the impending trade and everyone picked up up on it and it ran around the internet/media at lightning speed. But….the clubs agreed, not the player – so….whoever leaked this will probably be looking for work soon.
FSUBrave
July 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm
Wren should see if John Burkett and Paul Byrd are interested in making a comeback…lol
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
I guess you’re right. Worry about the future when we get there. Win one for chipper now. Dempster has that nice ERA as of right now in the present.
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
****IB****Maybe so, in the majority, but I think there’s at least one of the aforementioned variety. Just a feeling, don’t know for sure, of course.
ppaaddy123
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
Not getting Greinke…………..he want to stay with the Brewers and they want to re-sign him.
MD Braves fan
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
Jesus, some of us are upset because we know this is fools gold. Dumpster for 3 months and too old to resign to a big deal and you lose a good young pitcher. Ask God what he thinks.
bravo bravos
July 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm
NO! Not Delgado! Not for a 35 about to be 36 yr old pitcher for 2 months who does not even want to be here. Greinke wants to play here and Braves can see if he will sign a long term contract before they make the deal. Delgado for Greinke provided Greinke will sign long term makes a lot more sense. Jurrgens and/or another prospect or two (provided they are not named Delgado norTeheran) makes more sense for a short term rental.
Hoosier Aaron
July 23rd, 2012
7:05 pm
I’d like to ask Fredi and McDowell why our most effective starter was throwing to a pitch-back in his backyard two months ago.
Hanson-JJ AWOL
July 23rd, 2012
7:05 pm
Gotta agree on Dempster. Delgado is too high a price to pay for a 2 month rental. At 14 mil a year and 35 plus years old, Dempster is too expensive to extend or resign.
chris
July 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
Chipper outspoken on pitching but isn’t it funny that when Mike Minor is pitching his tail off and has a shut out (Giants game) you don’t hear Chipper calling out his offense for not giving him any run support. Ben Sheets the same thing…..He had to pitch perfect to win.
This offense hasn’t always been something to brag about………..
Jesus
July 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
So MD, you think Delgado can help us win a playoff spot this year more then Dempster? And as far as Delgado being good, I think we can say right now that he is average at best.
1991 braves
July 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
Wren always end up with egg on his face. The guy is an idiot, and he has built the 14th worst pitching staff out of 16 teams in the N.L. He and fat fredi hand picked this pitiful starting rotation. But the scholar Fat Fredi thinks the braves will be known for their pitching at the end of the season. LOL!!
iTiSi
July 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm
That’s funny, ****TNScott****, I had already started calling him “Dumpsey Dempster”(which he has heard before I’m sure).
Darryl Blackberry
July 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
This is not a bad trade for either club, if it goes through. Delgado has a lot of potential, but do you honestly think Roger McDowell and co. will ever be able to help him realize it?
DaveinNEPA
July 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
Truthfully, i would hope this falls through.
I sure as hell wouldn’t want to give away a young talent like Delgado for a (less than) 1/2 season rental and i certainly wouldn’t want to give an extension to a 35 year old pitcher with a somewhat dubious resume’.
To me this smacks more of Wren and Gonzalez trying to save their jobs by appearing to do what’s necessary to get this team into this year’s postseason without looking ahead to the future.
Another SP isn’t enough to guarantee that this team makes the postseason let alone go deep into the postseason. This team has waaaayyyyy too many holes in other areas that need to be addressed just as much as the starting pitching.
kelevra
July 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm
the thing that worries me about dempster is that he absolutley cannot pitch any better for the braves as he did for the cubs, and it is much more likely he will come back to his career numbers(which are decent, but not league leading era good) which means we are trading for what he’s done vs what he will do
Tim
July 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm
How about trading Jurrjens for a bucket of batting practice balls. We’d come out better off. Send Hanson to anyone for a new cup for the catchers, and Uggla for some gum in the dugout. Braves would be winners in all trades.
Ralph
July 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm
I see we have that worthless piece of dung on 2nd base again tonight, a decent bat in the 7 hole might help us break the monday jinx.
Ramo
July 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm
Big mistake trading the kid for a “long n tha tooth” rental!!
Ramo
July 23rd, 2012
7:15 pm
Can someone please name a 22 year old starting pitcher that set the league on fire!! I can’t recall a single one!! This kid has the tools 2 be really good and soon than later!!!! Don’t do it Wren!!!!!!!
Nate in SLC
July 23rd, 2012
7:16 pm
DO NOT MAKE THIS TRADE!!!!!!!!! Stop with the deadline deals. Just stop.
JP
July 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
CBS Sports now reporting trade may fall through. I can only hope!
AtheistLoveChristmas
July 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
How old was lince-a-cum back when he was good? Or Stephan Strasburg. Not saying they “set the league on fire”, but their pretty good at a young age.
jharber
July 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
If Wren makes this trade, I hope he is fired the next day. But we already knew he was an idiot, Mcguirk will know after that Orr maybe he is an idiot too. I do not know him at all.
Marcus Hurst
July 23rd, 2012
7:19 pm
@ I TOLD U SO “Dempster is Jurrjens in a Cubs uniform. His year will turn out like Jurrjens last season” Are you kidding me? Jurrjens ERA 7.04, Dempsters ERA 2.11 , I’d say Dempster is nothing like Jurrjens.
bamakirk
July 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
It is amazing how fast we go from “We must do something” to “This deal is awful”. It happens everytime. I guess we could stand pat while all of the other contenders get better and sit at home for sure come playoff time. I am not talking about this trade in particular, but everyone that has been made or rumored for the last 3 years. The same people hate every proposal and have a better idea that includes giving up a player no one wants for a player everyone wants. If only it was that simple.
1eyedJack
July 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
We’re desperately looking for a starter, meanwhile he’s sitting down in the bullpen.