Braves quotes after Monday’s loss to Marlins

**FREDI GONZALEZ

On that ump Laz Diaz said about Heyward GIDP in 9th (replays showed Heyward safe; Gonzalez was ejected)

“He just said he was out.”

On not scoring after leadoff walks in 7th and 8th

“We had some chances. We had some opportunities and they made the pitch and made the plays.”

On Minor’s performance

“Minor was terrific. That first one that Carlos [Lee] hit, he gets him out in front on a breaking pitch and he bloops it in there. And they get first and third [with none out in the first] and he got a double play and got out of the inning.”

“He was outstanding. He really was. Most of the night when you hold the opposition to two runs you’ve got a chance to come out of their with a victory, and today we just couldn’t mount any attack against [Josh Johnson].”

On Johnson’s performance

“We have a majority left-handed team — and pretty good left-handed hitters — and they’re coming back shaking their heads. With the fastball command on both sides of the plate, his slider and curveball were really nasty.”

On getting to see bullpen when Johnson left with blister after six innings

“We had some opportunities. We had the right guys matching up early on against Choate and Mujica and all those places. But we didn’t get it done. We didn’t get the bleeder, or the ball in the gap or anything when we had to.”

**MIKE MINOR

On his performance

“I felt OK. The first inning was a little rough, just because I made some pitches and they kind of snuck in for hits. And later on, [pitch to] Bonifacio [full-count leadoff homer in second inning] was right down the middle and he hit it out of the ballpark. Other than that, I just kind of mixed in all four pitches.”

Seemed like you settled in after that

“I think it was a matter of me seeing some new faces in the lineup. They hit the ball solid the first time through, then I kind of saw where they were at and made some adjustments.”

On his recent progress, less erratic

“Yeah, it feels good to give these guys a chance to win every time. That’s not going to happen [all the time], but I feel like I’ve been a lot better the last couple of starts. I feel like I owe a lot to Roger and McCann and just working together, helping me out to get through the struggles.”

**CHIPPER JONES

On the game

“Mike Minor did an outstanding job of keeping us in the ballgame. Josh Johnson was about as unhittable as I’ve ever seen him. Luckily for us he got a blister. He was dominant JJ tonight.”

“We liked our chances if we kept it at 2-nothing. Unfortunately there are a handful or two handfuls of games a year that are decided by the men in black. We didn’t get the call on a pretty obvious call at first base that really cost us a chance to get something going and put some pressure on them. But it’s not surprise to us, shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody else.”

More on Johnson

“I’ve faced JJ quite a few times. He’s always tough on us, but honestly, when Mac got the base hit I went ‘whew.’ Because he had no-hit stuff. If not perfect-game stuff. I mean, the zone was conducive to us, but Tim McClellan could have been behind the plate and we would have struggled.”

169 comments Add your comment

BravesfaninAugusta

July 23rd, 2012
10:45 pm

Terrible call

Keith

July 23rd, 2012
10:45 pm

First time first? :)

Yeah, if hey would have been safe, would it have been 2-2 on the chipper hit? I didn’t see it.

Go Braves!

Keith

July 23rd, 2012
10:47 pm

First time second. Oh well.

I was really hoping for Greinke, but it appears as though they may get Dempster. I think they will make a nice push for the playoffs with him and maybe a bench bat.

DOB, what are your thoughts on other possible trade deals the Braves may make?

Always enjoy your stuff, sir.

Vino Fino

July 23rd, 2012
10:47 pm

We got hosed!

BravesfaninAugusta

July 23rd, 2012
10:48 pm

No would’ve been 1 out, 2-0, runners on first and third… BUT one call DID NOT cost the Braves this game, the Monday Curse and no clutch hitting did

Vino Fino

July 23rd, 2012
10:49 pm

Why was Diaz standing 15 feet from the bag on that play? Shouldn’t the umps move in on an obvious potential double play call?

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

July 23rd, 2012
10:51 pm

I agree, a bad call did not cost us the game, poor hitting, and poor play did us in — over the course of a season, calls go both ways. To win, you must score runs,,,,,

Keith

July 23rd, 2012
10:52 pm

Well, heyward came before Chipper in the lineup and Chipper had the only RBI as he drove in the runner on 3rd. I guess it would have just given us an extra baserunner…no guarantees we would have capitalized with the extra out.

It seems like we just can’t quite get everything going on all cylinders. Props to Minor though tonight – looks like he did well overall. If he can continue improving his consistency and we get Dempster, I think we have a decent shot at the WC. No promses beyond that…

Vino Fino

July 23rd, 2012
10:52 pm

Augusta- Your right, it wasn’t just the ninth that cost them. But, to Chipper’s point, after his hit, it would have been 2-1, runners on 1st & 2nd (possibly 3rd), with one out. That starts to put pressure on the opposing pitcher, and who knows what happens at that point. Regardless, it was a terrible call. You could see Heyward was safe in real time.

Vino Fino

July 23rd, 2012
10:53 pm

Make that, “you’re” right!

rich

July 23rd, 2012
10:58 pm

Braves team is impossible to figure. Friday night they make the unbelievable comeback that you would think would inspire them, then they go into a malaise..only Sheets brilliant job on Saturday has kept them from a 4 game losing streak. Offense has been pathetic..5 runs in the last 3 games

Braves fan always

July 23rd, 2012
11:05 pm

Bad call ,but did not cost us the game.Chipper comments said it best.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

DOB SINCE YOU LIKE STATS ON MONDAYS,WHAT DAY DO THE BRAVES HAVE THE BEST RECORD ON?

Braves fan always

July 23rd, 2012
11:06 pm

music city hammer

July 23rd, 2012
11:06 pm

With hitting like this who needs more pitching? No one has ever won 0 to -1. What’s the final if Heyward sacrifices in that spot?

Long Time Braves Fan

July 23rd, 2012
11:11 pm

MLB really needs to step up the professionalism of the umpires. The position of Umpire Diaz was totally incorrect. The angle was incorrect. A supervisor needs to evaluate whether his positioning was a result of laziness or a result of just not being competent. Umpire Diaz’s aggressive arguing in the face of what was at best a “close” play was also very unprofessional. Even umpires of high school games understand that people will be upset on close plays. Diaz’s “how dare you question me” stance is unacceptable in that situation. I feel sure that the other umpires on the field were embarrassed by him. To later find out that Diaz was the one that told Russell Martin that he had to earn the “right” to throw the ball back to the pitcher.

MLB cannot and should not allow umpires to dictate the outcomes of games due to unprofessionalism of umpires. Missing calls is part of the game. Not being in position to make a call is unacceptable.

Yes, the Braves had many opportunities to score runs. The correct call on the play in question puts the Braves in a good position to tie or go ahead in the game. Sure, the next two batters might have popped out, but they were only one hit away from tying the game. Sadly, we will never know what would have happened. In the current state of pennant races, one game could be huge.

MLB can and must take care of the situation with the umpires. It used to be that replays showed the umpires were correct the vast majority of the time. Sadly, such is not the case any more. And the really bad calls seem to be coming at critical times!

cornjolio

July 23rd, 2012
11:13 pm

Instead of giving away a top pitching prospect for another old, high priced pitcher like Ryan Dempster, how about some more hitters ? Before the game Leo Mazzone said Josh Johnson isn’t the same pitcher anymore and the Braves’ offense should make hay.

Dan Uggla is down to .215

Pathetic !

Eaf1980

July 23rd, 2012
11:15 pm

I think the way we’re hitting, we won’t make it to the playoffs. I’m watching a few games here and there, and i see a difference with other teams. It seems as though we ain’t really hungry like other teams.
Just watched rangers – redsox, the guys in that game are really swinging it.

I think we lack the fire, correct me if i’m wrong

Bravo Uno

July 23rd, 2012
11:15 pm

Bad calls by the umpires are part of the game.

The sad truth is the Braves are offensively inept.

Mike Miner deserved better.

Another pitcher like Dempster isn’t going to generate more offense.

Busch Leaguer

July 23rd, 2012
11:17 pm

Umpires are like used car salesmen and politicians ,there are no good ones ,only some that don’t totally suck.

Brave Decisions

July 23rd, 2012
11:17 pm

Chris Snow

July 23rd, 2012
11:23 pm

If Uggla is going to snap out of it,
it needs to be now!

Tina

July 23rd, 2012
11:29 pm

WE NEED OFFENSE. Uggla and Janish cant hit a ball off a tee. HEYWARD starting to get to me with his chopper to 2nd base get him back in the 6th spot. Hope Demsters say no.Delgado is going to be a winner and I dont see this team in the playoffs. Instead get rid of Uggla and Freddi.

Jaded

July 23rd, 2012
11:30 pm

How many times this year has it looked like the Braves were turning a corner only for them to promptly run off three straight losses?

Frustrating season. Very frustrating.

Who Me?

July 23rd, 2012
11:32 pm

What happened to being patient and working the count at the plate?? Did all that go out the window in the last week???

Matt

July 23rd, 2012
11:34 pm

Can’t really compare anyone to Texas. They have the best offense in baseball, or one of them. Offense isn’t always the problem. We’ve actually scored a lot of runs lately. JJ, when healthy, is as good as it gets IMO. He was just on tonight, and with his stuff you tip the cap and move on. We still need a SS healthy and uggla to produce but 1-6 we have a very good offense. When we lose it’s usually the starters mucho te often than hitting

Matt

July 23rd, 2012
11:35 pm

JJ- josh Johnson. Not the one on or team that can’t get anyone out

nashvillewill

July 23rd, 2012
11:37 pm

Braves/Fredi are inept at tactical baseball. Refuse to bunt when given gifts of walks/refuse to PH a batter who is capable of bunting. In a game like this 2-0, 2-1 and Braves not getting anything done, it is stubbornly foolish to continue to play for the base hit. Put runners in motion, hit and run, bunt, try something! My frustration is that they lose the same way every time and with no tactical moves. Minor’s start was wasted, except that he is proving that he is a reliable starter.

Henry D.

July 23rd, 2012
11:37 pm

Score a lot of runs in one game, suck offensively for a week. This team has been that way for several years now. Time for a new philosophy and attitude.

Matt

July 23rd, 2012
11:38 pm

Would have not been a horrible idea to bunt the guys over in 9th on a surprise sac bunt and have 2 risp with 3 lefties and 2 hottest hitters up with a chance to tie

Yogi Berra

July 23rd, 2012
11:41 pm

Tomorrow is another day..so it is. Shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody. Right Chipper?

Fats

July 23rd, 2012
11:45 pm

So many games left in season, FG still say,”What me worry?” Uggla needs a vacation. He is in another world class SLUMP. Why keep sending him out there. Send his Grandmaw instead :)

Yogi Berra

July 23rd, 2012
11:46 pm

When will Wren realize we need some rh hitters like Cuddyer to spell freddy sometimes. Cain are Bloomsquest …like fredi said we are left, left, left..
left out!

Hmmmm

July 23rd, 2012
11:49 pm

“He just said he was out.”
in what language? there was a lot of words coming out for “just” he was out

“Unfortunately there are a handful or two handfuls of games a year that are decided by the men in black”

come on Chipper, that’s an excuse and you know it. Heck you gave Johnson credit for no-hit stuff, don’t take it all away by saying the game was decided by the Ump

older1

July 23rd, 2012
11:54 pm

Whens the last time u saw a braves batter lay down a good bunt, like never. Freddie needs to take them over to a bar before tomorrows game. then they will have a perfect excuse for losing. We couldn’t see the ball coach, heck we wouldn’t know the difference.

Buzz 2011

July 23rd, 2012
11:55 pm

The Braves struggle on Mondays, Tuesdays and four or five other days of the week.
Even the Marlins are too nuch for the lowly Braves

Maka

July 23rd, 2012
11:56 pm

Uggla hit ball hard tonight at least. I like that he still tries hard. He came out of slump last year, I think he can come out again. Gosh his slumps are long though. He’s not going anywhere so no use complaining about him.

I still woulda liked to see Constanza PH instead of Rev despite the L/L matchup.

Stuart

July 24th, 2012
12:01 am

This team sucks.

Looking back

July 24th, 2012
12:05 am

NorCal Brave

July 24th, 2012
12:07 am

Instead of bellyaching about one bad call, how about these guys show some fire and consistency at the plate. We have 2 guys (McCann and Uggla) capable of carrying this team; one flashes an occasional sign he might hit above .250 for the year, the other is mired in the depths of a slump that defies belief. Outside of the miracle comeback against the Nats, we scratch out our 4 or 5 hits a game and pray that pitching comes through. As Henry D. says, it’s the same thing every year.

Mister Frisky

July 24th, 2012
12:22 am

Can Dempster hit in the 3 hole?

Mister Frisky

July 24th, 2012
12:23 am

Can Dempster play 2b and bat 7th?

Mister Frisky

July 24th, 2012
12:24 am

Can Dempster play LF so Prado can play 2b?

Mister Frisky

July 24th, 2012
12:25 am

Myopic Kool Aid drinkers come out and play!

nelson

July 24th, 2012
12:26 am

trade minor geez sucks !!! dempster and greike …. another bat wren !! cmon !!

Mister Frisky

July 24th, 2012
12:27 am

Only these heartless losers can make a historic comeback and get ZERO MO from it.Dempster should stay with the Cubs,Braves don’t have enough O to make the post season.

B Madoff

July 24th, 2012
12:48 am

My friends and I, who are temporarily travel restricted, would like to express our great admiration for Dan Uggla’s agent. He is a true professional for delivering a 5 year contract exceeding $60M for Danny boy and then getting to enjoy his cut of such a huge rip-off. I only wish I had had a shot at those idiots in the Braves front office. Good times, my friend. Every time Uggla strides to the plate like a school yard bully and then shuffles back to the dugout with another O-for, we give thanks that not all those with our skills went into banking and finance.

wallypip

July 24th, 2012
12:51 am

Braves should get a new manager: Rick Monday.

Chief Knockadouble

July 24th, 2012
1:00 am

Anybody who banks on what Leo Mazzone says is in for a disappointment. He is clueless.

BUGGSY

July 24th, 2012
1:01 am

Please KEEP DELGADO!! Do not trade For DEMPS that is to much for him..An DELGADO is one my fav.young players.this is the way i would line up my starting rotation/#1Huddy,#2Minor,#3Hanson,#4Sheets,#5Delgado Then go get a good bench bat(RH), then get 1 more bullpen guy..Try and trade UGGLA if possible..Then hope for the best keep our young pitchers and wait till next year to make all the trades and build a WS team…thanks last beer going to bed..

ab initio

July 24th, 2012
2:31 am

I say we dump that bum, Uggla. Find someone, anyone, that will take him. Eat half his salary if ya have to, but get him out of a Braves uni. Stat.

IdahoBravesFan

July 24th, 2012
2:39 am

Does Uggla know how to just get the bat on the ball? Just push the bat out there and make some kind of contact. Maybe he should just stand there and not swing since he obviously has no clue how to work out of a slump. Make them walk him. I cannot believe that we are stuck with this guy for another four or so years. We could have had a consistent Omar Infante playing second base for us. It seems like our management is consistently giving up good players to pay a fortune for someone that goes off a cliff the year he arrives in Atlanta. The Derek Lowe scenarios are starting to be regular thing.

IdahoBravesFan

July 24th, 2012
2:41 am

How about Uggla for Dempster and we will still take half of Uggla’s salary. Just get him out of the batting order.

clay

July 24th, 2012
3:49 am

Well Mister Friskey, Dempster sure as hell isnt going to make the playoffs with the cubs either.

BravesFanInNashville

July 24th, 2012
3:59 am

I hope Dempster veto’s the trade. I think we gave up on Delgado too soon. Besides everything points to Dempster going back to the Cubs as a free agent. It could be a ploy just like the Phillies could trade Cole Hamels and then sign him right back in the offseason. If you are a loyal player to your team why wouldn’t you agree to be traded for a couple of months for a good player that will only make your team better and then come back in the offseason. Now your coming back to a better team that wouldn’t have won this year anyway. In a way that’s what happened with Cliff Lee he ended up right back with Philly. I don’t like this trade unless the Braves go to the world series and that’s not much more likely with Dempster than without him. On any given short series Mike Minor and Hanson could get hot and help Hudson and Sheets surprise some teams. We wouldn’t need a fifth starter for the postseason just to finish the regular schedule and then it’s a crapshoot and the hottest team wins.

BravesFanInNashville

July 24th, 2012
4:02 am

Dan Uggla will be back.. Count on it…

Same braves same Braves channel

July 24th, 2012
4:51 am

What Wren needs is LF n right fielder that will Hit not make excuse’s daily like Hayward n other clod..further we not need a dumpster um dempster he be like Rental here now free agent elsewhere tomorrow….what needs be gone is Frank Wren his son freddi the thing is if Delgado is release are other he go to Texas and pitch lights out there…since Nolan Ryan owns it he pitch also Delgado be better away from Mcdowell who is problem …..sorry Braves you lose to a marlins team lost 5 in a row is sayin….We stink as bad as Nats run away with East the Braves run away from Playoffs again..Under the eyes of Wren n freddi baseball answer to hemorroids!

RWill

July 24th, 2012
5:42 am

Chipper’s doing a little too much blaming lately. Blaming the umps for last night, blaming the young pitchers for inconsistencies the day before. Before blaming others, maybe he should look in the mirror. How many “ole” plays has he had since bruising his ankle? How can a lineup be consistent when the number 3, 4 or 5 hitter is “resting” every other game? How many teams can withstand their all-star future hall of famer sitting out every other game? Maybe he should also look at the run support before blaming the young pitchers. In Delgado’s case, he’s in the bottom five in the NL in run support when he’s on the mound. Lot easier to pitch when you’re staked to a little lead. Ask Hudson, he’s built his career on it. So, Chipper, until you can sum up the massive amount of will power it obviously takes to do your job for three hours a day, just shut up.

garcia

July 24th, 2012
5:59 am

Hitting is the problem.

It has been the problem for years. Is there anything else more obvious in Atlanta sports?

LAC

July 24th, 2012
6:24 am

I agree uglla is finished, he looks AWFUL, a 10 year old could hit better than this Clown !!!

But the Braves BIGGEST problem is CHICKEN wren the STUPID GM !

This guy has NO clue about the game itself, Nothing. Remember his famous comment at the start of the season ??? I am happy with this team !!! Well CHICKEN, WE THE FANS ARE NOT !

Since you have done NOTHING except hurt the Braves since becoming GM, I advise you to RESIGN TODAY for the betterment of the team. You are a DISGRACE ! A 35 year old pitcher ???
We do NOT need that ! uggla, a FLOP, everyone knows it, why not YOU !!!!! Trade him for a class A benchwarmer, anything is better than uggla !!!

Why the president of the Braves stands behind this clown is UNREAL !!! Winning comes first !
Being loyal to a Total Failure makes NO sense ! If I did my job this bad, I would have been gone a long time ago. Why is this IDIOT still here ? Just what is it about teams in this city keeping GM that are so far out of their league it is not funny ??? Remember the worthless one, Dumb don waddell, who ran the Thrashers out of town ??? Well CHICKEN wren is a carbon copy, a TOTAL Failure, and he needs to RESIGN today before he does anymore damage to the Braves !

Ellabell1

July 24th, 2012
6:36 am

Dan Uggla may come back and start hitting again but do we have the time? I’m sorry but you do not keep running a .215 batter out there night after night when your trying to make it to post season. Either it’s in his contract that we have to play 150 games a year or he’s sleeping with Fredi.

longtimefan

July 24th, 2012
6:46 am

Fact-the Braves are 3rd in the NL in batting(all important runs scored). Simmons will be back in a few weeks. Hopefully Uggla will snap out of his slump and go on a tear similar to last year. You don’t just give up on a guy who is a proven ML hitter with power because he is slumping for part of a year. If you look at the Braves stats and have watched the games this year, what the Braves need is reliable SP. Frank Wren just signed Sheets who has an ERA of 0 in two starts and may be the steal of the season. By all accounts he is on the verge of trading for the NL SP leading the league in ERA. What else do some of you guys expect? The post about Heyward makes no sense. I see the naysayers have shut up about Chipper since he is batting .317.

Bill M.

July 24th, 2012
6:54 am

Hey Fredi G. has some fire. The Braves need to worry about their hitting. Uggla has been to incosistant. Try and trade him yesterday. He’s not going to get any better.

Braves Fan in Maine

July 24th, 2012
6:59 am

MInor pitched good but again no offense…. this team needs another bat as well

Charlie

July 24th, 2012
7:33 am

Laz D. was out of position, to make a correct call He blew the it. Laz is a lazy, no-account umpire. It’s clear there is only one reason why he has a MLB job.
Uggla is a waste, and nothing but a complete liability to the Braves. He’s a headcase, who can’t/won’t make adjustments. He is not tradeable, due to a huge long term contract, and zero ability.
Fredi is the poorest manager in MLB. Not a baseball skill in the world. Brings nothing.
I hope that the Dempster trade does not go through.

Three games in a row, the Braves offense has mailed it in. Give-away at bats.
This is still the same collection of choke-job players, who spit out last September.
John S., in a letter to fans last October promised changes. That ws PR at best, a bold-faced lie at worst.
With John S., Franki Wren, Fredi G. still in power, the Braves remain what they are…an inconsistent collection of no-clutch, mediocre ball players, who will begin their off season as soon as game 162 is in the books.
The choke job Braves are still the Boys of September (2011).

bill

July 24th, 2012
7:50 am

Matt, Texas is so good partially because three ofr our future players were pis*** away for a rental first baseman. I guess we could trade Uggla to Cleveland if we pay 10 million of his salary. Our bench players are terrible and nothing is being done. At least Freddi was awake in the ninth which is a change from most games. The umpires union has the support of the players union so nothing will be done . Remember that fat Bast*** Eric Gregg had to quit before he was gone from the league. Laz Diaz rates as one of the 5 worst umpires rated by the players and he will be there 20 years from now if he wants to be. Baseball night after night is boring for base umpires. Many times particularly on check swings it is pretty obvious they are not paying attention. Its like earlier this season when Uggla did not know where the base runners were or how many outs there were.

DawgDad

July 24th, 2012
7:52 am

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braveshoo

July 24th, 2012
7:56 am

I watch the Braves every night. We will not win until we get different management. The Braves announce they have traded for Demster. Both Demster and his manager say they know nothing about it Dempster has veto rights. This looks like we dont know what we are doing. It adversely affects the players and the fans. Poorly handled.
During the game FG was constantly outmanaged by OG. Ozzie knew he had to manufacture runs with his lineup. So he hits and runs twice, gets runners to ist and 3rd with 0-1 out, and he scores a run both times. Thats the 2 runs he got. In the 9th, we have our 2 fastest players on base with no outs. Heyward is up with a 3-1 count. If you start the runners, Heyward’s ball probably gets through and you have 1 run in, runners at 1st and 3rd and no outs, with Chipper up. What is the worst that can happen. If Heyward gets a ball, the bases are loaded. If he swings and misses, I’ll take my chances with Bourn and Prado completeing a successful double steal. The worst thing we could do is sit and do nothing, giving the Marlins the chance to turn a double play when we need two runs. I’m sorry, but I could manage this team better than FG. We need a new manager. Maybe if we keep losing, we will get one.

sam

July 24th, 2012
8:12 am

if we had a decent pitching coach that knows how to develop young pitchers we wouldn’t need to trade for a pitcher

Peter

July 24th, 2012
8:12 am

If we need pitching………then what about hitting ? Uggla will be another Frank Wren bust !

I wish we had Blanco and Infante back……both will be in the playoffs, and the Braves will not !

Mike from the coast

July 24th, 2012
8:14 am

I posted this on the Constanza blog, but I don’t think we need to trade Degado. He is part of the future. Take Lowe’s 10 mil. and Chippers 14 mil, resign Bourne and get us a good right handed hitter either for third or left field in the off season. (Prado plays the position we don’t sign). This is about years to come. Let the chips fall where they may for the remainder of the year. Do I want to win and make the playoffs, Yes, but not for a two month rental. I think our young pitching is on the verge of being good.

reckingball

July 24th, 2012
8:25 am

It’s all Roger’s fault then, right?

George T

July 24th, 2012
8:26 am

Bad calls are a part of the game and everyone is hurt or helped sooner or later. Play ball.

reckingball

July 24th, 2012
8:29 am

How did the Braves lose, with Constanza with called back up?

dap01

July 24th, 2012
8:31 am

This team is not close enough to a championship to overpay for a pitcher.

Let’s keep building. NO to a $20,000,000 pitcher with a $80,000,000 payroll.

Old Time Fan

July 24th, 2012
8:32 am

braveshoo I agree that Fredi needs to be more creative, but the Marlins 2nd run came on a home run, pay attention.

dap01

July 24th, 2012
8:32 am

DOB: What is happening with the proposed trade?

Virginia Brave

July 24th, 2012
8:34 am

reckingball, you are on a roll, man.

reckingball

July 24th, 2012
8:45 am

“one call DID NOT cost the Braves this game,”
How does someone actually know that one bad call, did not or does not cost a team to lose?
How does someone know what would have happened if the correct call had of been made at 1st, in last night’s game?
It certainly lessened the Braves chances of stagging a rally and making a comeback, and they have proven that they are capable of making comeback wins.

Joey

July 24th, 2012
8:51 am

Hope Dempster wasn’t watching last night – he may decide his 2-something ERA won’t win him many games in Atlanta, and say, “um, no thanks” . . .

reckingball

July 24th, 2012
8:51 am

Someone said earlier that the umpire was 15 feet from the bag, it was more like 30.

TPic

July 24th, 2012
8:55 am

Note to Chipper Jones. If the “men in black are deciding a handful or two” games a year (what’s that, a dozen to 15?) then maybe you should take those days off as well along with the ones your candy ass can’t seem to get on the field. Umpires do not decide games – players and managers do. The fact that the call was wrong is irrelevant. You as a player should never let anything but YOUR PLAY dictate an outcome. You can blame the umpires all you want; you lost because because you didn’t play well enough to win. Go cry on the bench for a few games. Pitiful.

ijudgenot

July 24th, 2012
8:56 am

I have supported for the most part Wren’s moves and none moves especially the restraint to trade away top tier young talent. It seems now Wren is in panic mode and now is going back to the JS days of trading away prospects for a rental. Dempster has him over a barrel now by Wren announcing trade before he had gotten Dempster to agree to sign an extension. He now will have to overpay as he did in the Lowe deal to get him. Not good negotiating by a GM. It makes him look amateurish. If he was smart he would back away from this and declare that he had a verbal deal on the table but Dempster reneged on it. He should take the criticism he will get and finally admit that the Braves are in a rebuilding mode instead of this perennial myth that they are contenders for a WC. Let Chipper finish his farewell tour. They may get to play a playoff game or two but this is not a championship team so stop pretending it is. Yes ther is talent ther but there are too many holes to fil this year and the manager is not the one to use the talent there effectively

braveshoo

July 24th, 2012
8:57 am

Old Time Fan- you are right. My mistake. OG did successfully hit and run twice, but if I remember correctly, the 2nd time we got a double play. But the point is the same. We need to play more aggessively to force the other team to make mistakes, and wake up some of our hitters. Everyone plays more on their toes when the manager is making things happen by using hit and run, bunting runners in from 3rd,etc. FG manages like he is afraid to make a mistake. Last night was another winnable game that we lost. I estimate at leaast 10 such games this year. Its hard for the players to overcome this, i dont care who you trade for.

Ground Rule Double Play

July 24th, 2012
8:57 am

I’m with Dempster vetoing the trade. If we’re going to give up one of our young studs, then I want Greinke since we’ll have him for more than a couple of months and he is young enough that we could keep him beyond the couple of years left on his contract.

Delgado is worth more than a two month rental.

reckingball

July 24th, 2012
9:00 am

If the trade is in fact, Delgado for Dempster, I hope that Dempster does say, no thanks.
I suppose Wren’s azz has stopped aching, from being burned by the Lowe signing(it shouldn’t be, as the Braves are STILL paying for it).
Another 36 year old pitcher signed to an inflated long term multimillions contract(if they can get Dempster to agree)?
The Braves don’t need to give a young guy like Delgado away for that.

PMC

July 24th, 2012
9:12 am

I’m feeling more confident about tonight, it’s Tuesday after all.

reckingball

July 24th, 2012
9:13 am

“never let anything but your play dictate an outcome”
How does a player dictate the outcome of a game, when a lazy-azz inept umpire, is stealing outs from his team?
Umpires do decide the outcome of games, many times.
Wrong calls are often relevent to the outcome of some games.

Ground Rule Double Play

July 24th, 2012
9:18 am

Err…nevermind. Greinke’s a FA at the end of the season too. Maybe we could make a trade with the Twins for Willingham and Liriano.

Whatever we do, we need to do something to make a strong push for the division. Don’t want to play a one game play-in game.

Tumbledown

July 24th, 2012
9:19 am

Reckingball – I am coming around to your line of thinking. It is not worth trading a prospect like Delgado for a short-term rental in Dempster. The Braves’ limited payroll dictates that they cannot make such a move and expect to compete in the future. I also don’t believe that Dempster will be the stopper and that his pitching will probably return to his career norm or slightly worse.

There seems to be too many issues in the Braves’ starting rotation for an aging vet like Dempster to fix in just two months. Hanson appears vulnerable. Jurrjens is returning to his earlier pathetic ways. Minor is not quite there. Hudson has some injury issues. Sheets may break down, and we cannot expect him to throw shut outs at the very least. I don’t see a World Series winner this year either with or without Dempster. Thus, stay with the youth and hope for the best in the future.

Robert ( chi-town)

July 24th, 2012
9:24 am

Losing another 2-1 game tells me we need offense more than more pitching. I mean JJ is done, so just replace him with Dalgado and go out and get somebody who can hit! But his management team will make another bad move, I am confident of that!

PMC

July 24th, 2012
9:29 am

I think I like Delgado more than Dempster.

The lineup may look better in the stats this year, but from game to game you never know if they are going to all strike out or score a few runs.

Same deal with the starting pitching. When they coincide… the Braves win, when they don’t, it looks like they don’t know how to play baseball.

PMC

July 24th, 2012
9:30 am

They need a right handed left fielder that can come off the bench for 2 months.

TPic

July 24th, 2012
9:35 am

reckingball, my point is that like players, umpires will make mistakes. You lessen the chances of those incidents happening by playing better baseball. I would rather have heard Jones say something like “Yeah, we feel like he missed that call. But we should have put ourselves in a position where that play didn’t matter. And if I hadn’t struck out twice and had better at bats, that call wouldn’t even be worth discussing”. At least if he had that mindset, I would respect him. Take some personal accountability instead of blaming your failures on someone else.

phil

July 24th, 2012
9:40 am

I am still pissed at the moron who calls himself an umpire at first last night…guy is an embarassment to the game.

That said, TPic is exactly right. Don’t put yourself in a position to let the officials decide your final fate. Own up to your own screwups that left us vulnerable to the incompetency of the fool at first.

phil

July 24th, 2012
9:42 am

And reckingball is exactly right too….

If the imbecile at first gets his fat, lazy ass in position and then manages to get the simple call correct, then we might have very well sent that game to extras or have won it right there.

Maybe it was both last night. We didn’t play well, fat boy didn’t ump well and the 2 cost us another one we needed to have…oh well.

Mike from the coast

July 24th, 2012
9:44 am

Haven’t seen Mejia play, but I do see he is 6′5″ tall and 245 pounds I wonder if he can be trained to play the outfield. I know he’s big but he does have 7 stolen bases, so he must not be terribly slow. He is blocked at 1st because I think Freeman is locked in there for many years to come. Any thoughts on this?

Dawg Fan in Grayson

July 24th, 2012
9:47 am

Bad call for sure, but game was not lost by that call. No offense for 8 innings was the reason. Minor pitched very well so hopefully his confidence will continue to grow because a lefty is needed in the rotation.
To say Uggla is struggling is under statement. What to do with him? I guess just hope and pray he gets on a roll like he did last year, but can you keep a player who you are always hoping and praying will start to hit. Problem is Wren signed him to a big contract so no one will touch him.

Gary

July 24th, 2012
9:53 am

Its the offense….no clutch hitting……you can get Dempster and Grienke….still wont win ..

TPic

July 24th, 2012
10:05 am

Mike from the coast – I haven’t seen Mejia play either, but I did check his numbers. Those 7 SBs come at the price of getting caught four times, which is consistent over his minor league career. He has shown good power in the minors, but his plate discipline is awful (more than 3.5 Ks for every walk) and he has been old for every level at which he’s played. Haven’t seen anything on his defense, but Carlos Lee is also still listed at 245lbs in many places and he’s closer to 345 than 245.

reckingball

July 24th, 2012
10:11 am

Pitching is suppose to win games, or so I have heard.
Johnson was at the top of his form last night, or appeared to be, to me.
When a team is going up against opposing pitching, as good as the Fish were dealing it last night, every out counts.
They might have put their self in that position last night due to their lack of production at the plate.
But, it is hard for a team to correct that lack of run production, if a crummy, egotistical umpire is taking away their chances to win.
That is my point, and opin.

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