Nats rough up Jurrjens to claim series split




Washington - After a four-game odyssey in about 45 hours against the first-place Nationals, the Braves are right back where they started.

In a pivotal game Sunday – the difference between a series victory and negating the momentum built in winning the first two games – the Braves got little help from Jair Jurrjens in a 9-2 loss to the Nationals.

He was roughed up for six runs in 2 1/3 innings including two home runs by Ryan Zimmerman.

The Braves came to Nationals Park with a 3 ½ game deficit in the NL East and that’s how they’ll leave, heading for Miami for the start of a three-game series.

“We’ve struggled with our consistency because we’ve struggled at the end of our rotation, and you saw it today,” said Chipper Jones, who went 5-for-13 with a home run and five RBIs in the series. “It’s a little demoralizing when you’re in a dogfight for the division and you’re constantly fighting from behind.”

The Braves nearly came full circle. After rallying back from a nine-run deficit Friday night to win the first of two games in the series, they found themselves down nine runs again by the sixth inning Sunday.

Jurrjens’ reclamation project, which showed promise over a four-start span, has sputtered in his last two. After going 3-0 with a 2.13 ERA in four starts back from the minor leagues, Jurrjens has given up 17 hits and 14 earned runs in 5 2/3 innings, for a 22.24 ERA. The Braves have lost his past two starts by a combined score of 18-2.

The Braves weren’t prepared to make a decision on whether Jurrjens might be headed back to the minors, perhaps in favor of Randall Delgado, or if he might be skipped in the rotation with an upcoming off day Thursday.

“We’ve got time to think about that,” manager Fredi Gonzalez said.

Jurrjens seems to be running out of it though. The real competition between the Nationals and Braves now might be to see which one can land a Ryan Dempster or Zack Greinke before the trade deadline.

When asked if he expected the Braves to keep him in the rotation, Jurrjens said: “I hope so. It’s two bad starts. I know it’s really two ugly ones, but since I came up I’ve been really dependable. I hope they give me a chance to prove myself again.”

He was leaving pitches up, couldn’t put hitters away with two strikes and struggled to get his fastball inside to left-handers.

“It’s running back like a two-seamer and I’m trying to throw a four-seamer then,” Jurrjens said. “That’s something I need to go back and see if I’m dropping my arm slot again and try to get on top of it.”

Jurrjens has struggled with his fastball velocity, but that didn’t seem to be his biggest issue Sunday. He hit 91 mph with fastballs to Zimmerman but gave up the home runs on a pair of two-strike change-ups.

“Getting to two strikes was easy for me today but after two strikes, I didn’t know how to make a quality pitch to get them out,” Jurrjens said. “I made a lot of mistakes. A lot of pitches came back over the plate, and they made it hurt.”

After scoring 11 runs in six innings during their rally Friday night, the Braves managed only eight runs in three games since, including two runs in seven innings each from left-handers John Lannan and Ross Detwiler.

After showing signs of breaking out of his six-week malaise with a three-hit game Friday, Dan Uggla went 0-for-9 with five strikeouts, two walks and a hit by pitch over the final three games of the series. He is now 15-for-124 (.120) in 38 games since his four-hit, two-homer game June 6 in his last trip to Miami.

“Our chance to win the series was last night, and we didn’t get it done,” said Jones, referring to the 2-0 lead the Braves had early in Game 2 of Saturday’s doubleheader. “Today was not good from pitch one.”

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Bubba

July 22nd, 2012
6:14 pm

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

July 22nd, 2012
6:22 pm

I am not sure what was worse, watching the first 3 innings of this game, OR watching Adam Scott play the last 4 holes of the Open this afternoon.

Both were sickening to watch, heart breaking, and probably avoidable.

I am pulling for JJ, but him to say he has been “dependable” is delusional.

JC Boscan III

July 22nd, 2012
6:25 pm

I had hoped that today’s TV broadcast included a free barf bag, but I was wrong. JJ hit 90-91 MPH at times today, so it wasn’t the old velocity problem. Location MAY be correctable — it might happen with another team, though. He might get one more start. We may need 2 new starters (Medlen being 1?), 1 new reliever (if not Moylan), plus at least one good bench player to win the division. With the 1-game wild-card play-in game this year, it would be much wiser to win the division than to settle for wild card status. A golden opportunity was blown in the past 2 games……. GO BRAVES!

Tim

July 22nd, 2012
6:29 pm

JJ should be finished as a Brave. The Braves should sit Uggla too. He’s become an easy out. He contributes nothing to the team.

JT Grace

July 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm

Anyone who knows how to look at stats other than ERA knew that this was coming for JJ. He simply isn’t a major league caliber pitcher any longer. He was successful in his first three starts after his return from the minors because of pure, unadulterated luck. His luck finally ran out.

Bring on Greinke!!!

Dawgdad (The Original)

July 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm

It is amazing that if you sign a big enough contract, the team is not only stuck with you, it seems they feel they have to play you as well. I guess they figure, their only way out is to keep playing you, hoping that at some point you will justify the big money. By taking that approach, the team itself has to accept losing. If I were in that position, I think I would put winning ahead of having my financial decisions look bad. But hey, it is Frank Wren and Fredi Gonzalez, what do we expect?

Chop101

July 22nd, 2012
6:47 pm

If JJ’s start today does not convince the front office to make a deal happen, then it appears that nothing will. Sure JJ has been dependable, which means dependably bad. Kind of hard to win games when your starting pitching goes less than three innings and coughs up 6 earned runs on NINE hits. Even harder when you have a taxed bullpen from a double header the day before that is now forced into action in the THIRD inning.

This pitching staff truly needs another quality arm. They seemingly have the pieces to put a deal together, but they don’t want to sell the farm for a rental player. I get the logic behind that philosophy. However, with this being Chippers last year, it would be nice to see the team go all in for a change, take a risk, and maybe….just maybe they end up world champs. Now, I say that with the understanding that they don’t hand another club an entire world series roster, but they could certainly cut ties with a couple of prospects to make it happen.

Maybe they will or maybe they will not. But without another Quality pitcher this team may only get close enough to the playoffs to break the fans hearts.

JK

July 22nd, 2012
6:49 pm

please send jj down…please? the guy doesn’t have what it takes right now. he was a velocity pitcher with finesse. now the velocity is gone and let’s just hope that one day he can figure out how to make it happen. we all know that maddux was able to to it but that was a very rare occurrence. i, for one, am tired of crossing my fingers and i would imagine that jj is tired of it too.

Dawgdad (The Original)

July 22nd, 2012
6:50 pm

I can’t say enough about how much Andy Simmons has improved the defense and improved the pitching stats. With him JJ pitched much better, than he had previously, because previously we had the REV at SS. Janish, is better than Rev, but no Simmons. Simmons is worth one to two unexpected outs per game, often turning what would have been a bad inning for the pitcher.

That is obviously not all the problems with JJ, but Simmons return will improve our pitching.

lee maye

July 22nd, 2012
7:01 pm

Well, let’s see: We have a couple of starters who can’t touch 90 (Hanson and JJ) and don’t have command. And, we have an All Star 2B who can’t hit or field or throw. And, a temp SS who can’t hit for average or bunt; an aging 3B who can hit but jumps balls at 3B on d; a CF who can do everything except hit lefties and throw; a LF who should be the 2B; one catcher who can’t block balls or call a game or defend well; 2 fat guys on the bench who can’t do much of anythng; a reserve OF who tries hard but is not a ML (Diaz); a RF who can’t hit lefties; a relief pen with guys who have more holes than swiss cheese.

What we do have: a good young 1B; Prado; Bourn; McCann/Ross; Simmons; Heyward; Kimbrel; Hudson, Sheets, Minor, and Delgado. O’Flaherty; Medlen; Chipper; That is about 14 out of 25.

Venters, Martinez, and Durbin. 3 more that have been ok but not consistent this year. Hanson on the slide. Not worth it to give away the store for a 1 game playoff which we are not likely to win. Then, the winner of that wild card game is likely done anyway.

Who Me?

July 22nd, 2012
7:02 pm

Won’t get Simmons back til the end of August at the earliest. JJ’s done – for whatever reason – he’s just done. It’s either mechanics, location, or psychological – or all 3 – but the kid is done at this level for a while. Time to move him or send him down.

MD Braves fan

July 22nd, 2012
7:02 pm

Andy?? Hmmmm

Largo

July 22nd, 2012
7:08 pm

JJ says: “since I came up I’ve been really dependable.” Braves management and the fans (unless they’ve been living in a cave) know better than that. Winning a couple of games don”t make you dependable. There shouldn’t even be a discussion about this. JJ has to know he isn’t pitching major league baseball and the chances of getting it back are slim and none. Braves could get a pitcher for the money they’re wasting on him.

MD Braves fan

July 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm

Let’s hope the braves go hard after Liriano in Minnesota. Dempster is fools gold and too old. Greinke is a head case. Liriano is the sh*t. I wonder if the Twins need a 2nd baseman??

Take 2

July 22nd, 2012
7:13 pm

Same story just a different day for Jurrjens! I feel for the kid, but he needs time to work this out and I don’t think the braves can afford for him to be a project in the middle of a pennant race. In addition, Hanson is creeping into JJ territory as well. He has survived on run support and continues to give up homeruns more than any other pitcher on the staff other than Jurrjens. That problem has gone on for 3-4 years now. This whole staff has been a disappointment from Venters, Avilan, Jurrjens, Hudson, Hanson, Minor, and Delgado. Only Durbin, O’Flaherty, and Kimbrel have been consistent. I say, let the young arms go after it including Minor and Delgado and send JJ and Hanson down for Tehran. They run into trouble around the 5th inning, but at least they are getting you to the 5th whereas JJ and Hanson fall apart in the 3rd or 4th inning.

ijudgenot

July 22nd, 2012
7:16 pm

Chop101 that was the thinking that made JS pull the trigger on the Texiera deal, thinking that both Bobby and Chipper could have one more shot at a title. I hope a deal can be made by giving up a Minor or Gilmartin and a 2nd tier player and that’s all but please no blockbuster deal just to get in playoffs this year.

rigth moves

July 22nd, 2012
7:18 pm

the braves only need 3 external moves: 1 starter, 1 reliever and one RH batter,,,,
Internal moves: Constanza and Moylan call ups, Medlen move to rotation

Starter option. Greinke in 1st place, second option could be Liriano
Reliever option: Broxton, Street or Betancourt for setup job
RH Batter options: Infante, Bloomquist

Package trades:
Teheran, Pastornicky and Terdoslavich for Greinke
JR Graham, Gearrin and Pastornicky for Liriano
Jurrjens and Terdo for Broxton/Street/Betancourt
Francisco for Infante/Bloomquist

GREINKE/LIRIANO SHEETS HUDSON HANSON MEDLEN
KIMBREL OFLAHERTY VENTERS BROXTON/BETANCOURT/STREET, MOYLAN DURBIN MARTINEZ
BOURN PRADO JHEY CHIPPER FREEMAN MCCAAN UGGLA INFANTE/BLOOMQUIST
Bench: ROSS HISNKE JANISH CONSTANZA MEJIA

When Simmons return send to AAA Mejia , put Simmons in SS and platoon Uggla/Infante or Bloomquist in 2B

Take 2

July 22nd, 2012
7:21 pm

I think everyone saw this coming today! We may have hoped for the best, but I had no confidence in the kid today. Especially looking at how well the Nats hit the ball. Will the Nats get Werth back this year? If so, that is a big problem for the braves to try and catch this team.

Is it me or is Chipper really calling guys out this year? For a guy that gets on the field every third game, he may want to resist the urge to call out anyone. If I recall, he struck out with runners in scoring position on three weak swings. Larry, you got to ask yourself if the quotes you are providing will either help or hurt this team.

space monkey

July 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm

This was no surprise to anyone.

space monkey

July 22nd, 2012
7:30 pm

Also, Hanson needs surgery. This 88mph stuff isn’t cutting it. If he’s not a power pitcher, he’s a fifth starter at best.

ok

July 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm

@take 2: Werth was batting bad when he gone to DL, i guess Lombardozzi or Bernardina are doing better job than Werth could be gonna do… plus when Werth’s return means moves Harper to CF , and i heard he is more comfortable playing RF..

by the way Harper dont look like a “super star” how many HR´s he have? 8, 9 ???, batting avg under .300

Francisco have 7 Hr´s and he dont play everyday

RoyU

July 22nd, 2012
7:38 pm

“Let’s trade the future for that one game playoff possibility” (maybe)! That should be the motto for the 2012 Braves!!! Yes, we have talent. But not enough and we prove it again and again that we are not a real winner!!! Wren and Braves’ miserly ownership continue to put a competitve (flying on a wing and a prayer) team on the field, trade away key elements of our future, and pretend they know how to do their jobs. Another starting pitcher in exchange for a major part of our future is no more than “lip service” to fans who would really prefer the possibility of a “winner” in 2013 rather than one more “also ran” in 2012 and another “also ran” in 2013. The Braves, if Wren, etc. stop wasting their future, can put an excellent team on the field in 2013 and still have a shot at that one game playoff in 2012. Wren has recieved more than enough praise for some of his efforts over the years. Let’s recap his production (on this line)!

Ranger

July 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm

What a game.On the way home from leaving early Friday my wife said if the Braves win she would buy my a ticket for another game. So off I went. Got the ticket and through the courtesy of the Nats I got half my money back on the way out. They said I paid for two major league teams but only one bother to come.

OK

July 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm

RoyU: the braves have more talent in the lineup than Pittsburgh, Reds , Nats, and Giants e

any team in NL have a best 1-2 batter in the lineup ,,,any team have 3 OF´s with very good defensive, any team have onel closer like Kimbrel, any team have a backup catcher like Ross
Chipper’s the best 3rd baseman in the league and he have 40, and what about his leadership?
Freeman is a nice hitter with power and very nice defense ,, Medlen is maybe one of the most underrated relievers in the game , Hudson is a bulldog who pitch like a dog in Big games,,McCaan the best catcher in NL

and you said the braves dont have enough talent??? my opinion is we need another starter, one reliever , a utility RH batter like Infante and call up Constanza..

and sure wait for Uggla resurg

bobby

July 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm

The Braves might and it is a big might get someone to take Uggla but not JJ. The oly thing they could expect in return is maybe a dozen balls.

Chop101

July 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm

ijudgenot, I intentionally left out names and just referred to a “quality arm.” I agree that the Braves do not need to pull off a blockbuster deal that would only end up with the Braves getting two months of a good pitcher. However, the Braves should not need to spend most of their top prospects to acquire a pitcher that could go six innings while giving up less than four runs on the average.

Lately, the Braves pitching rotation has been akin to playing mine sweep with 3/4 of the board covered in mines. With the exception of Sheets, who has pitched great in only two games, the rest of the rotation is just waiting to explode. Hanson can be great, but has looked horrible in two straight outings. JJ is just embarrassing and Minor always seems like he is a base hit away from completely losing it. Hudson can bare down when needed, but even he is not always a safe bet to have a stellar game. Then there is Delgado who can be good but still needs just a little more salt to be consistent.

Look at the recent Braves losses (since allstar break) and you will not really find close games. The closest game in a Braves loss was yesterdays 2-5 L in the second game. All other games the opposing team has scored at least Nine runs.

Around The Horn

July 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm

WISE SPENDING

It’s much cheaper to get good bullpen help, than starter help.

The solution: Move Medlen to the starting rotation and bring in a quality reliever.

King William

July 22nd, 2012
8:15 pm

Dawgdad (The Original), Andy Simmons ? His name is Andrelton Simmons and who is the “Rev” – is that Pastornicky? By the way, Simmons has been awesome, but he’s only played in 33 games for the Atlanta Braves – let’s don’t put him the Hall of Fame quite yet.

BB

July 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm

Funny how both Boris clients (Hanson and Jurrgens) cannot get it done for us in a big time series.

kelly

July 22nd, 2012
8:18 pm

Please no big trade to give away our future young guys like we did with the Tex deal that wiped us out and left us shy of the goal.
I hope that trade left a lasting impression and we don’t give away the kids just to get to a wildcard spot. Let’s rebuild and get Chipper at least to the playoffs on what we got….which I honestly believe is enough.
That being said, JJ should probably go down again, then bring him back for the two games he can win, send him back down, repeat till this kid gets his head on straight. It has to be mental with him. He gets ahead in the count and can’t put em away, the fact that he acknowledged that on his own speaks volumes about his mental state.
MK
GO BRAVES

aj

July 22nd, 2012
8:24 pm

Very disappointing, after winning the first two games of the series.
Let’s not leave Bourn off the hook for all those strikeouts.
Take away all the K’s and his average would be around 340.
Lead off hitters should be contact hitters. Uggla is in another
world. He and Dunn could be competing for the strikeout lead
or record by the end of the season.

billy bob baseball

July 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm

Jurgens is not a major league pitcher and uggla is not a major league hitter. Neither is in a ’slump.’ Players come out of slumps, uggla is never gonna hit over 220 with a home run every 35-40 AB, and jurgens will beat the Astros and other sub 500 teams, but not the contenders.This team will not be playing in October if uggla stays in the lineup every day and/or jurgens pitches every 5th day.

BravesBoreMeZZZZZZZ

July 22nd, 2012
8:36 pm

We got 2 decent pitchers. Sheets and Hudson would be 3-4 or 4-5 starters on the Nationals, Dodgers or Giants. Hanson, Jar Jar (uggh) and Braves #5 “flavor of the week” would be in AA or AAA for any of those clubs. We are lucky to have this good a record with a horrible batting and overpaid 2B, below average starting pitching, average bullpen (Kimbrel takes them from below average to average with his awesome 1 inning every 2 or 3 games), average RF, average LF who should be an above average 2B, a Grandpa at 3rd who is at LEAST calling out Jar Jar and Hanson for their CRAP starts and those 88 mph “fastballs”, FAR below average Manager and BELOW AVERAGE GM! So, our record is “above average” and we should ALL be amazed. It won’t last….September creepeth closer as thine days wane…

Denny LeMaster

July 22nd, 2012
8:37 pm

As I wrote in another post yesterday, this team NEEDS a starter or TWO!!! JJ is done. He will never be what he was. He is a waste of a WIN each time out now. What has happened to Hansen? They say he changed his motion. Not to me he hasn’t. I never saw any difference in his old and new delivery. He has nothing but a straight fast ball in and a straight bomb on the way out off the bat. Losing him in a trade cannot hurt. I doubt anyone will give much for JJ. He is toast.

John

July 22nd, 2012
8:37 pm

We need to be looking at the man in charge of pitching.

HOF 10

July 22nd, 2012
8:37 pm

Need to get Medlen into the starting rotation. No minor league starts this time. Just have him go 5 innings the first start and increase it from there.

Taylor Wooten

July 22nd, 2012
8:37 pm

wow…uggla is horrible. he cant hit or play 2nd. tired of his slumps and waiting for a “resurgence” a good player doesnt keep having these “slumps”
and jurjens….hes not even a good high school pitcher.
if braves gonna win this thing, the gm better get busy

John

July 22nd, 2012
8:38 pm

I think the name is Roger something

Klondike 5

July 22nd, 2012
8:42 pm

Uggla reminds me EXACTLY of me in my Church softball league. I swing for the fences but pop up or ground out everytime (strikeouts are rare even for me in slow pitch softball). The ONLY tiny difference is I pay $30 per 8 week season and Uggy gets paid $millions per season. ( I do play a MEAN SS) plus, he takes better roids than I do too…Mark my word, as soon as we do dump him/trade him, he’ll become a .300 hitter with 40 HR and 120 RBI per year.

Klondike 5

July 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm

I hate to say it but I actually agree with all the post’ers! What’s going on? It’s the end times!

Chumsley Quenton

July 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm

And I tend to agree with Klondike Bar. Why do we expect good things out of an average team. IF McCann wasn’t on this soon to disappear and soon to be a distant memory tear, the Braves would be even sadder. Ownership needs a solid GM, Manager and another $50 million (in addition to what we pick up when Chipper retires) to be a contender. Bring Danny Ferry in to help get rid of Uggla.

Chumsley Quenton

July 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm

And I tend to agree with Klondike Bar. Why do we expect good things out of an average team. IF McCann wasn’t on this soon to disappear and soon to be a distant memory tear, the Braves would be even sadder. Ownership needs a solid GM, Manager and another $50 million (in addition to what we pick up when Chipper retires) to be a contender. Bring Danny Ferry in to help get rid of Uggla.

Need a Winner

July 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm

Why can’t the Braves hit left handed pitchers?

mediocrity continues...

July 22nd, 2012
8:50 pm

You just gotta tip your cap to that Washington team over there, they’ve got a great squad over there. You just gotta tip your cap…

ChiefKnockedaHomer

July 22nd, 2012
8:50 pm

Braves can’t hit call up rookies either. We are in trouble folks. Abandon ship. Where are all those “yea, go Braves, we love you! freddie is so cute” people?

Fredi G.

July 22nd, 2012
8:54 pm

Memo to Roger: FW is mad about leaving JJ in so long. So in the future, I want you to wake me up before out starter gives up so many runs.

jr

July 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm

JJ for Irvin Santana. Both have been successfull, not now. You would be trying to catch lighting in a bottle.

Finklestein

July 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm

I wonder if Uggla use to be on steroids and that explains his drop off since signing with the Braves.

I often wondered the same about McOut too.

And remember Mike Hampton?

Billy Brave

July 22nd, 2012
8:59 pm

For all of you who say you feel sorry for JJ, remember one thing, He makes $105,769 per week. How much do you make?

MilkToastBraves

July 22nd, 2012
9:00 pm

I stopped caring after last September’s meltdown. Have ticket stubs for 21 games last season. Figure I spent a total of $1950 for tix, food, parking, etc. I have ZERO stubs for this season. Doing more exciting stuff like working on my lawn. Looks awesome. First place in hood as opposed to the Braves. No more millionaire welfare coming from me. Oh and p.s. – Screw the SPLOST! Making 40% less than 3 years ago and those clowns want a tax increase? Bite me.

Klondike 5

July 22nd, 2012
9:01 pm

Thanks for making me cry Bill Brave! And PLEASE, don’t do the Uggla math per week. I’ll fall on my sword for sure.

Finklestein

July 22nd, 2012
9:01 pm

BravesBoreMeZZZZZZZZZZZ sums up the situation very succinctly I would say.

Rotunda Sy-phillys Obama

July 22nd, 2012
9:02 pm

I told you so. This was the best possible outcome available from these chumps.

Freddi G

July 22nd, 2012
9:05 pm

I QUIT! Just kidding. Pay is too good and I do next to nothing. Awesome gig. Thanks Braves fans. Keep buying those $7 beers! Danny Uggla is next to me laughing his arse off. He’s chuckling all the way to Fort Knox (Suntrust’s vault is too small for his cash). Hey, where’d that cavier tray go? I worked up an appetite losing that game by using JJ again when I knew he sucked.

Braves Fan Since 1984

July 22nd, 2012
9:08 pm

It really is sad. I mean, their record is solid but we all know better. This team will not win the division or get past the 1 game wild card game. Sigh…Where’s my beer?

leastof theeast

July 22nd, 2012
9:10 pm

JJ has to be sent down. he taxes the bullpen too much. 2 1/3 inn is pathetic. delagado should stay. as of 9/1, we expand rosters. JJ can be recalled if and when he improves.
making panic deadline deals is a bad idea. the system isn’t that great to start with. they have a few decent position guys and a handful of pitchers. not enough depth to deal from.
Medlen should be considered as a 5th starter. I would even consider David Hale from AA. he is 24 1 /2 and has had a decent year. in fact, I would look at Teheran again.
bidding wars at 7/31 is a recipe for disaster. usually the guy you overpay for does nothing.
Mets traded Wheeler for Beltran who SF let go. SF lost their best young pitcher for a rental.
Harrison was only the 4th best piece of the Teixeira fiasco and now he’s 12-4 and an all star.

jharber

July 22nd, 2012
9:15 pm

What does that say about management? Bobby cox built the teams that won 14 str. div. titles.

WillieNelson

July 22nd, 2012
9:16 pm

Turn out the lights, the party’s over.

Buddy Wills

July 22nd, 2012
9:17 pm

Jurgens was bad, but you’re not going to win many games scoring 2 runs.

Jaded

July 22nd, 2012
9:17 pm

I think some very pointed questions need to be asked about Roger McDowell’s handling of young starting pitchers. This is his seventh year on the job and the Braves do not possess a single reliable member of the rotation that was developed under his watch.

Hanson came up as arguably the top pitching prospect in baseball. For a while he was very good, but over the past 12 months he’s been downright bad. He seems to get worse by the start. Kyle Davies, Jo Jo Reyes and Chuck James all washed out. Jurrjens (not drafted by the Braves, but we got him when he was only 21 or 22) looks toast. Minor, on balance, has been disappointing. Teheran’s stock has plummeted this year. All of these guys were good prospects. A couple of them were great, can’t-miss prospect. That’s why this trend is so troubling.

Steve Spurrier had the famous quote about UGA under Ray Goff, when he said (paraphrase), “Georgia recruits all these good players; I don’t know what happens to them once they get there.” You could say the same thing about Braves pitchers. We hear every year about all these great arms in our system. Well, where are they?

Maybe this isn’t McDowell’s fault. Maybe it’s something bigger, organizationally. Either way, the Braves need to get to the bottom of why so many of these talented young arma aren’t able to successfully translate to the major leagues.

Klondike 5

July 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm

Least of the east – well said. We can’t panic and spend $5 million plus we don’t really have to spend on a starter who may win 5 games for us. Guess we look to the future…Willie was right.

Mark Wohlers

July 22nd, 2012
9:21 pm

I could last longer and given up less than JJ today. I got 80 on the radar too! Where’s Rocker when you need him?

ncg

July 22nd, 2012
9:21 pm

Seriously, if they can pull Ben Sheets out of their hat, they should be able to replace JJ. How sad and pathetic today’s showing was.

Busch Leaguer

July 22nd, 2012
9:23 pm

Get ready for the big letdown at the trading deadline ,Sheets was Wren’s big move and it will not be enough to over take the Nats. The Braves may stay in the 2nd wild card spot,other than the padres ,Rockies and Astros who is not in the mix for the 2nd wild card.Liberty Media will not acquire the talent to compete with the top teams ,because they will not take on any more salaries. In fact they are counting down the days until they are shed of Chipper’s contract . If they should fall out of the playoff race look for them to try and dump McCann and Bourne. Of course Liberty will say that the lack of support by the fans will be the reason for the “cost cutting moves”. A lower cost roster in 2013 will be more profitable for Liberty Media .They assume the Braves will draw 2million fans whether the finish 3rd in the East or last in the East.I hope I am being a pessimist because of the poor outcome of the Nats series ,but I think recent history with the Braves will prove that Liberty is about making money and not winning baseball games.

BrandonLee49

July 22nd, 2012
9:26 pm

Chop 101, i commend you.. Prophetic words… will Mgmt Catch On??? They Couldn’t Catch a Cold… AS You Say, The Fans Saw this coming, “Luck” certainly does fall off the table sometimes, or at least Half the time, since we’re on the subject of Those Grand.500 Ballplayin Millionares…

nelson

July 22nd, 2012
9:27 pm

hanson sucks and jurjens big dumb ass… cmon wren wake up

Abraham Lincoln - Vampire Slayer

July 22nd, 2012
9:28 pm

Four score and seven years ago, the Atlanta Braves won a World Series.

Crankshafter in Fitzgerald

July 22nd, 2012
9:31 pm

I’m optimistic until they announce the Braves starter. I get built back up after a few minutes and then they announce Uggla. Think I’ll go have a drink y’all.

Big Bubba

July 22nd, 2012
9:36 pm

Let me go up there and swing blindly like Uggla and I’ll get you 25 – 30 homers for ONLY $1 million a year. Or free beer. I’d do it for free beer. And hot dogs. I’m big. I like my dogs. And beer. Like my beer. Not gonna bring up the ladies. But I like my ladies. Big ladies.

BrandonLee49

July 22nd, 2012
9:42 pm

Well, David, The Word “Blown” just seems quite the Catchy Phrase today…
And Medlin was sent down to AAA to Stretch out for WHAT… Middle Relief – AGAIN… Why is Medlin Not Starting and Jurrjens in the Bull=Pen in Ragsdale, AZ…

BrandonLee49

July 22nd, 2012
9:45 pm

How bout Fort Sumpter, SC… That’s a nice place for an Education and to “Stretch-out”… he’ll be back in no-time…

Charles

July 22nd, 2012
9:58 pm

I agree with the comments that we need at least 2 new starters – Dempster/Grienke and probably Medlen or a 2nd trade. Medlen makes more sense but I am not the field manager or the GM who seem to thnk he is too valuable being used in less than mission critical situations.. JJ and Delgado are nearly automatic losses that will prevent us from catching the Nats for the division and it remains to be seen if Sheets will remain consistent as the season grinds on. The wild card is one game potentially if you lose and if you win you’re in a short series after probably using one of your top starters. Medlen needs to be a starter — it doesn’t do us any good to bring him in for situations that are not mission critical — up or down by several runs. Delgado could serve well in that role. You can put a fork in Jurgens. Today was a key game and he throw the entire team under the bus.

Need a Winner

July 22nd, 2012
10:14 pm

If Tim Hudson had as many at bats as Uggla who do you think would the better average?

ahhh!

July 22nd, 2012
10:17 pm

JJ just looks like a lazy thug. Hat on sideways with no fire or movement in his throws. Bet he hopes they send him back down so he can take it easy in the minors while making his millions.

Truthiness

July 22nd, 2012
10:22 pm

Any pitcher who walks Uggla should be immediately fined. Boy can’t hit a lick and is starting to look ridiculous trying.

olereb

July 22nd, 2012
10:36 pm

I think we should put Medlen in the rotation, get what you can for JJ even if it means releasing him. Go with the kids, even if we make the playoffs, we wll not be there too long. Our starting rotation does not compare with the Nats, Cardinals, Dodgers,etc. I would not trade young pitching for a rental, I repeat, Iwould not. I would bring up our young pitchers to pick up the slack. I would also non renew Hanson, hei has gained all this weight, hurt his arm,I dont know, but he sure to hell is not a power pitcher. The Tex deal will go down in history as being the worst in Brave history, lets not do another one.

Dan Uggla

July 22nd, 2012
10:55 pm

I’m hitting 217 and made the ALL STAR team BOOYAA!!!

And Uggla Strikes Out

July 22nd, 2012
11:02 pm

Losing Beachy for the season is beginning to look like a really, REALLY stroke of bad luck.

And Uggla Strikes Out

July 22nd, 2012
11:05 pm

Er….like a really, REALLY big stroke of bad luck.

Ken Stallings

July 22nd, 2012
11:12 pm

Jurrjens is beyond merely an enigma. He has two fundamental problems. First, regardless of whether he has healed from his time with the DL, he has lost four MPH off his fastball. This means he is in that range where he has to hit his spots and clearly he is inconsistent in that vital task. He doesn’t any longer have the raw stuff to get away with bad location and control.

How the Braves proceed from here is a tough call. Jurrjens’ inconsistency is the reason. He has had dominating starts, but then utter dogs like this one today. The biggest issue is that this inconsistency runs risk of killing the bullpen.

I tend to think this is the compelling reason why the Braves have to remove him from the starting lineup and put Kris Medlin back in the rotation.

The Braves have two questonable starting pitchers: Jurrjens and Hanson. But, the price for a starter on the late trade market is going to be way, way too high and I would prefer to see the Braves take their chances vice empty out the farm system which is the clear price to be paid in such a trade.

It's over now.........

July 22nd, 2012
11:19 pm

As much as many (myself included) would like to see Uggla on the bench – it ain’t going to happen. He is Fredi’s favorite and there isn’t anything that is going to change that. Uggla could be batting .175 with an error a night, he just is not going to be riding the pine. It sucks because Dan is one of the reasons the Braves are where they are in the standings.

gotigers72

July 22nd, 2012
11:23 pm

Wren/Fredi or anyone else involved in the decision making process need to understand that they cannot continue to leave a .120 hitter for the past 40 games in the lineup. Especially one that shows no production whatsoever due to his outs being strikeouts, popups, weak grounders. He can’t even drive in a run from third with less than 2 outs. Neither can Janish, except for that one popup that found a hole. Currently there are 6 hitters in the lineup and 3 black holes. Uggla, Janish and the pitcher. And whatever pitcher is hitting has a higher average than Uggla or Janish.

If they plan on making the playoffs, Prado needs tro be moved to second and someone else needs to play left. Besides a better stick, Prado is a MUCH better defender also. At a place where defense is a premium position. Uggla can occupy second at Gwinnett or Mississippi. He would not be a help off of the bench the way he is currently hitting. JJ and Struggla are both head cases at the moment. If they don’t move BOTH OF THOSE GUYS off of the 25 man roster NOW, forget the playoffs, and forget their jobs for 2013. Get a starter and a RH bat to play LF.

serbok

July 22nd, 2012
11:32 pm

JJ needs to GO!
He has NO Trade Value!!!!!
The Dude has lost IT! IT was very Evident on the play at first base the other day!
He looked “Hurt!” If it wasnt physical~ He’s damaged Mentally! I support he Bravos!
When is Medlin gonna get a start?????????????
I really did not like their Hof Manager~ (What A Joke!)
I try to give Gonzalez~ or Garcia~ WTH is his name~ the benefit of the Doubt!
His time has Run out!!!! as far as I’m concerned! Can we Trade “The other mental case?” Mike Minor for Davey Johnson? The Tampa Bay Bucs~ did it to get Jon Gruden!
Minor has the Talent! He’s Just ~Well~ IE: He has better stats than Glavine had at this point in his career! However~! Glavine was also a Hockey Player!!!!!
This Minor guy? Well~ He likes to Whine~ and Cry!!!! Really Really Now!
Last year he said he was “Tired!” towards the end of the season! This year? His Excuse is ~ well~~
When we get 3 runs down? I feel the games over? WTF is that!
The guys gotta GO!! one way or the other!!!!! Lets Start Medlin~ (Who IS the long man!) What good is a long man~ if He comes into a game~ down By four? Freddie is an idiot! He is more worthless than COX!
I have been a braves fan~ since the days of Felix Millan! I will continue to watch HISTORY in the Making! Of Course thats Chipper Jones! I will in my heart support he team~ as I live in ft myers Fl!
The Bravos are still fun to watch! I have tremendous respect for Frank Wren!
‘He will make a move soon! But! This idiot manager~ needs to “Compliment!” the new pitcher coming in! By Making a Baseball Decision on his pitching personnel!
Medlin NEEDS to Start!!!!!!!
Minor~ is washed up b4 he turned 25!! He just does not have the mental Make up~ to be a glavine!!!
He just doesnt! BTW did I mention? JJ needs to Go?
At least Delgado~ tries his best! As far as I can tell~ he is not the “Nut Job!” Minor is!!!
The Bravos are so dang Close!!!!!!
Its sad to watch “Mismanagement” of the team! Really is! Wren WILL get us a quality Starter! “Mark my Words!” Thats not really gonna help much~ until Freddie Rodriguez~ Learns how to manage!
I LOVE watching Baseball! The Braves are still “In It!”
Its still fun! :-)
But Man!!!! Does Frddie Diaz Aggravate the Hell out of me!
However? “I Tip My Hat To him?”
LMAO!
so sad!

Hardhat

July 22nd, 2012
11:59 pm

JJ needs to go to bullpen as the very long man. Don’t think we can get anything for him. Now Uggla = Dave Kingman either he hits it out or strikes out. But just remember we have not truly recovered from “renting” Tex. We were sure since he played at Tech he would welcome a chance to come back WRONG! No more renting players for a year. One player won’t make a differnce at this point. We need 3. Wow look at the G-Braves what a dive they have taken.

bulldogbubba

July 23rd, 2012
12:08 am

Clusters? Anybody seen Clusters? We are choking 6 weeks earlier than last year with the line-up Frank Wren says will get us to the playoffs He says he is comfortable with this team.Anybody else comfortable with this team? GO DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hardhat

July 23rd, 2012
12:09 am

Is it possible to send Fredi and Roger down? This way we can give Terry P a chance till the season ends and if he has no chance as a manager we can clean house in good faith.

Derrick

July 23rd, 2012
12:21 am

“It’s Bush’s fault.”

COOPER

July 23rd, 2012
1:05 am

When will the Braves realize that Jurrjens is not going to be the consistent pitcher that they expect from one of their starters. Medlen deserves another try at one of the starter rolls. He was one of the best before he got hurt and Gonzalez reward him by putting him in the bull pen because Jurrjens and Minor can’t be relied to come into a game and throw strikes so Medlen is stuck as a relief pitcher.

COOPER

July 23rd, 2012
1:14 am

Three things that need to happen for the Braves to be a great team:
First make Medlen a starter and see if he can handle the demands. If not you can use him effectively in the bullpen
Second, Get a Better manager, Gonzalez isn’t the answer
Third, Find an owner that loves Atlanta and Baseball . Liberty Media is only using the Braves as a tax write off. They S@@.

COOPER

July 23rd, 2012
1:14 am

Three things that need to happen for the Braves to be a great team:
First make Medlen a starter and see if he can handle the demands. If not you can use him effectively in the bullpen
Second, Get a Better manager, Gonzalez isn’t the answer
Third, Find an owner that loves Atlanta and Baseball . Liberty Media is only using the Braves as a tax write off. They S@@.

COOPER

July 23rd, 2012
1:14 am

Three things that need to happen for the Braves to be a great team:
First make Medlen a starter and see if he can handle the demands. If not you can use him effectively in the bullpen
Second, Get a Better manager, Gonzalez isn’t the answer
Third, Find an owner that loves Atlanta and Baseball . Liberty Media is only using the Braves as a tax write off. They stink as owners.

SR

July 23rd, 2012
2:50 am

Wow, just seeing Lee Maye’s exceptional 7:01 post wherein he nails everything damn spot on!!! I’ll just add this. Bourn can’t hit lefties, Heyward is a lefty’s bitch, he is pathetictically average and Uggla and Diaz can’t hit anybody. Neither can Pastornicky, another of Wren’s blunders, along with Jurjjens, Hanson etc. Why isn’t this moron’s judgment ever called into question??? Oh yeah, and he didn’t give up on Melky Cabrera too soon did he?! How’s that one working out for ya Wren, who’d you get for him, hmmm??? Oh yeah, that’s right NOBODY!!! You waived him you frickin MORON!!!!

longtimefan

July 23rd, 2012
6:41 am

Hey, SR-your retrospectroscope is working just fine. Why don’t you go back 2 years and look at all the comments bashing Cabrera and asking why the Braves were keeping him. The bloggers on these pages couldn’t wait to see him released, just like they were on Heyward last year, Chipper earlier this year(before his bat shut them up) and are on Uggla now. At the time Melky was almost a throw-in in a trade that netted the Yankees best pitching prospect. I guess you think the Yankees front office sucks too.

Buzz 2011

July 23rd, 2012
7:25 am

Go Jackets!! ACC champs………………………….

Nutjob

July 23rd, 2012
7:40 am

Sounds like Chipper really can’t stand Jurrjens and is really making his point known that he wants Wren to go out and get someone.

And agreed with some previous posts…for Jurrjens to think that he has been “dependable” since he has been back up…he is delusional. He has been lucky in those 4 starts where he put up decent ERA numbers. Still gave up a ton of hits and was trying to get big league hitters out with 86-88 mph fastballs, a decent change that he throws too hard, and probably the worst slider by a major league starter.

RGP

July 23rd, 2012
7:41 am

The Braves starting rotation is hurting this year. The starters are inconsistent and not lasting deep in games which strains the bullpen. For post season the good teams have excellent starting pitchers and a great closer in the pen. Kimbrell is the bright spot. Sheets is looking good. JJ, Hanson, Minor, and Delgado,and Hudson, are needing to step it up or they will be watching post season on tv.

Nutjob

July 23rd, 2012
7:43 am

Longtime fan…Melky was about 30 pounds heavier than he is now and couldn’t do anything. Plus, as we have found out from him and Escobar being tossed away…the silly flamboyant style of play isn’t going to last in Atlanta. Melky might have had more of a chance at staying if he could have stopped eating.

jt

July 23rd, 2012
7:44 am

When I got up this AM, fully expected to see headline that J J was either sent down or released,
Where is that headline?
He really needs to be let go, please.

georgiavol

July 23rd, 2012
7:47 am

I just don’t get Uggla’s approach. If he had a more controlled swing, he would make contact leading to a better OBP. Instead, he swings for the hills every time.

Fredi’s got to go. He doesn’t control his players like he needs to. Or they don’t do what he tells them. Either way, get rid of FG.

Kharma

July 23rd, 2012
8:07 am

Like all Braves pitchers, Mr Jurrgens is the victim of poor training advise. Beyond that though, something is not quite right with him. He is either hiding an injury or has some mental problem.

He also has to develop a better glove side game. I hope it works out for him.

The team itself gives a very honest effort.

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